00:00:08 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective is presented by Element. I guess I grew up on an all day. Hey, everybody, Phil is mad at me because you hear my voice. Well, I walked like I had a great start to my day. I had a cup of coffee, some toast, and a banana. I listened to some music on the way, and it's a beautiful day in Bosman Clearing Nice. I walked in the studio to say hi to my to my pals Janice, and Benn's like, Phil, Hi, I'm like, oh no, that's fine. The alarm bells go off, it's fine. I got a rapid test. I didn't know about. Rapid testing was six Why I don't even get the test of it. It's a great question. Six percent accurate, right, six percent failure? Yeah, it's six out of ten. You should be calling in via squadcast. Well now I feel I feel awful. Well, it's too late now, so just let's just start the show. Band. I didn't know that I had no idea that I could be spreading an illness. When I thought I was, I slept outside on yesterday. Uh, well, Saturday night, I slep outside. It's been getting chili. Probably it snowed on me for like four hours the Sunday morning in the mountains where I was nine thou feet So I'm a tribe needed to that. But I'm also tested negative and other people are. My wife is tested negative. So I'm like, I'm good. I just got a little scratchy throat. You're probably good. But now it's just it's just the paranoia. Man, I'm not gonna be asleep tonight. No, no no, no, there's nothing be ruined. A lot of lots anyway, Yanni's sitting in the right seat. We had a little issue. My normal seat in the podcast studio is right next to your normal seat in the podcast studio, and that would be awkward conversationally. I feel my neck would hurt after we would be looking over I looking over my left shoulder at you. But now we're in a good spot or seeing each other, you know, look right in your eyes. Welcome, be honest, welcome back to this is uh attempt? Are we say? Attempt number two? Episode number two of a T slash THHC. Yeah you're excited? Featured on th C. Yeah, I don't know. How was the feedback for the first one was most listened to? Episode we've done in quite a while. No, yeah, yeah, it was actually the most interview though, after me a lot of famous people, the Troy and Jacob Landry, the most famous gator hunters in the world. You beat the pants off of them. No, no no, no, Who was on the episode that I did? Who was on afterwards? I can't remember, I remember, I don't remember. That's how much we pay attention. This guy named John Trump feels like President. Oh, it was vlarious guyst I could have something to do with it. He's a well known figure. But I think the combination too, it's perfect. So maybe we'll have him back every time we do. Ask the Eagle. I always like mentioning guys shirker shirker hypothesis. Explain what that is for us? Well, I look up, that's uh phone numbers. This is about guys thing. And I've mentioned it to some mule deer biologists. They don't really think that it's a thing. But he had and this idea that the way that some bucks got to be huge is that they would shirk their responsibilities to the rut for multiple years. Thus they could instead of wasting all that energy, they would save that energy plus pack on more energy. They basically just sit there by themselves on the side of the hill and get big and fat. Then once they're buddies that were you know, they're all the same age. Roughly, they've they've been participating in the rut and get worn down and happened to replace those you know, worn out reserves over the winter and barely making it through a winter. After four or five years of that, they could walk off the mountain just as healthy and steadily as can be, giant antlers and just whoop everybody's butt and spread their jeans across the whole herb. That was my That was my method for college. I feel because I can leave college full of energy, I didn't have to deal with any of that other stuff. That's that's why until your senior year when you just you went berserk. You shirk your responsibility for three years to the ladies of what college you go to? Montana State University, Bozman Benjamin right down the street, right down the street. Well, anyway, I'm feeling I think the reason I have this scratchy throat is because I was out elk hunting. It was it was a massive I was I was telling you, Johnny, a massive failure, but you have a story that it was not. You can't say massive failure. Elk. I did see elk. I did see elk, but I knew where the elk were prior to going there. I knew they would be in in that zone, somewhere in that drainage somewhere they would be there. I knew that I've never went there, and there weren't some elk there. But I did travel a couple of hours from my house Saturday night, but by myself. I was like, I like to do at least one or two soil hunts a year, and I went by myself. I drove. I hiked up to where I hunted elk last year around the same time period, late September, and found out immediately they're They're further away than I wanted them to be there by probably two miles away. And then I went to sleep, got up in the morning, snowstorm. It's great, it's a great night. You never like sleep in the sleeping bag where you just had to pull the whole sleeping bag up over your face and like lay on your stomach. I just hope that no cold air arena. I had a tent, but it was cold. Man. It was the wind. It was probably thirty winds at times, gust thing too, and uh it's the temperature dropped a lot. You know what a good trick for that is, man, I have to I think I know one of them. But the Choma hoodie, Oh yeah, because that hoodie really comes down pretty far in front, so you can stretch it a little bit and it comes down to dang close to coming over your nose. Then the other one is just the like the lightweight will net gator full first light. I'll pull that thing and just have it completely covered my face. Well normally I have I have lots of techniques for this, but I just wasn't expecting it. But yeah, I will wear I'll wear a full like Uncle Padre puffy and just in my sleeping bag if I have to. And you know, the boiling water in a Nalgene trick. Oh buddy, that's a good time. That saved my tush on that woming mule deer hunt last year because I, yeah, I forgot to swap sleeping bags and I wanted to go over zero and I rolled in with a fifteen and uh not en. But yeah, I know that thing got so hot a couple of times. I had to sleep with it open my bag open until it was cool. I'll take the hand warmers and put them down by the feet area. It's quicker than the whole boiling of the water thing. So if you're just like you know how you get back from a hunt. You're just so cold and you're so tired, all you want to sleep in back, you don't care well if you pre stage a couple of handwarms right by your sleep back your tent, you get in, shake them babies up, put him in the bottom, and then get in to sleep bag. Do not to mess around with the water get wet. Were you in grizz country? Ish, not heavy griss country, but close just a valid pretty balls he hunting solo in the grizz country? Well, yeah, yeah, yeah, And as I told you, I glassed up these elk like, oh man, I'll get over there, and it's gonna take me a while. I had to get up and down a couple of ridges and it took me about an hour and a half to get over there in the morning. So I got over there just as light was breaking glass. He's elk up. It's a squaw snow storm I was like, man, I don't know if I'm gonna see over there. I might have to just go over there and sit and wait till they stand up out of their beds and hear them. So I got across the ridge from them, glass them up. They were a little further back than they were in the morning, so they had moved back, like, you know, a thousand yards back up this bowl. So I go over there and I'm like, well, I'm gonna drop down and come back up the other side. So I do. And in the time that I dropped down and went back up the other side took me about an hour to hike a mile, and it was straight up. I'm going straight up this hill. Got my trek and pulls out. I get to a little bench on the hill where I knew that they were. I'm like, man, I'm gonna put my trek, pulls away, and give my bow out. Get set up here. I have my little fred Eyler decoy cow decoys. Got that out, staged all that up. I was getting ready to call and I look over to my right and there's a gut pile, a fresh one, I mean from yesterday probably still. I heard a bunch of crows and ravens, and I was looking around. I thought that's not good, and I looked at my right there she was us. So it obviously was like maybe the day before that this that somebody killed an elk in there. I didn't go close enough to it to see if it was an elker mule deer because it is a limited it's like a drawl mule deer unit, but it's an open elk unit. I didn't go close enough to see exactly what was what because I was like, there are grizzlies around, I'm gonna go ahead and take a I'm gonna take a wide berth, go up this hill and see if I can find an elk, not mess around this zone. But never found the elk. Did find some moves, found a ton of mule deer, a ton of elk. Sign nothing. Have you gotten to full draw yet in this archery season? No, it's been tough. I I all you people that have had success, you included. I don't don't. I don't dislike you, but it is frustrating. It's hard to be in there unsuccessful. And I will say, like I you know, I've been out. I don't know eleven or twelve days probably total if you add it all up, maybe a little bit less if you just count like just hunting a morning, not a fool day, and I haven't. I have. We had a couple of close calls, as as folks heard last week with Clay nucom in the breaks, a couple of close calls, but other than that it has been It's not that I messed anything up, that I was in a place where there was no elk, or I couldn't find them, or I missed or I didn't draw at the right time, or as you were explaining a little bit before we hit record, that you know, the elk just didn't do the right thing. He was nothing. I mean, yeah, yesterday, yesterday's spot that I went to was very much a spot that I was like, I'm gonna save this until this time frame, because I last year we went in here and it was on at this you know, this weekend time frame, last weekend ish in September. I know every time I go there, there's elk somewhere in this bowl, somewhere in the space, and I know that they're there. I think just about every other ridge should be on right now. I didn't hear I mean, the weather was what it was, but I think you know, if if bulls are on, if they're running a little snow and wind isn't gonna totally shut them off, but you know, the wind's harder to hear him. Yeah, that's what I figured. So I'm like, well, I'm gonna bomb into the spot where I know that they are and just make some noise. I you know, bugle break, trees, stomped around, did a little cow party. When I was telling you, I got back to the truck, shout out to the two trucks that were at the lower parking spot in in this area that we're both b h A license plates, both with meat either stickers, both with vortex stickers as well. In the truck. Not a secret spot, No, not a secret spot. There's a gut piles everywhere and dudes that listen to our podcasts hanging out. It's not great. We've we've made our own bed. They're sleeping. But it was fine. I mean, it's I was driving back out of this country. I have sixteen miles because I was piste off and I was like, I'm just gonna I'm gonna hit every finger ridge. I'm gonna hit every standard timber, and I'm just gonna bugle my face off, and if there is an elk in there, he's gonna have to tell me no, like he's gonna have to actively dismiss me, because I'm gonna find these bastards. Ah ran across a bunch of moose muldeer everywhere on their feet during the snowstorm. Melder just walk around, but no elk other than the ones I saw from. Well, you still have two weeks left. I do. I do long archery season here, and I can tell you a lot of people are in your boat man. Their feet are tired and their hall of passes are used up, so the woods should just be emptier. They were. They were pretty empty going into this spot, because I got you gotta drive like an hour on a kind of a dirt road that the only reason you drive down it would be to recreate or to hunt or something. I mean, there's no it's not through road doesn't go anywhere, and so there wasn't you know, there's one camp where there's normally fifteen camps, and so I could tell I could just tell that you know, it's it's it's wearing on folks. But it's not wearing on me. I'm not I'm not mad at I'm not mad at the the failure. Um. I'm happy to document it here so people know. You know, I've been in places where there's elk. I've been in places where pew, other people have killed elk. Obviously, UM, I know that they're there. I know that they've been on the run at some point, or they will be at some point. It just hasn't happened. I took off of September and probably in like, oh man, that's probably like O nine or or ten, and uh quick guiding fishermen as soon as hunting season opened up. And I got twenty six days in that September Colorado archery elk. Some of them were half days because I was not it's not you, because I was still guiding a little bit and so someone I would got in the morning, get on the afternoon or vice versa. But twenty six days I put in and then I killed the cow on the day. Yeah, man, that's probably what's gonna happen to me. And I'm not you know, I'm not afraid to hunt them with a rifle either, but they just I feels one of those years are and I need to do a little call in front of you, Yanny, so you can crate out with how you think my progress is going. It's one of those years where I'm like really dialed in with that. It sounds good to my year, but my years, um, so I'm confident. That was confident with my archery equipment. I really I doubled the amount of practice I did last year, and last year I did plenty of practicing with the old stick and string. So it was just like a year where I'm like, man that I think it's gonna I think this is gonna come together. Yeah. But then you can talk to guys like Randy Newberg, who I can't remember the number of years he went before killing the Elka Montana, but I the story he tells, it's it's a low was a long time, eight to ten years or something like that. Yeah, and so, but you have to quickly before we get to our asked the Eagle listeners who were going to call them. We do kind of a reverse call in show here. You gotta tell us quickly your story of your first archery bull. Yeah, that was in Colorado a couple three weeks ago. I'm trying to think of the date was it might have been like the sixth or seventh. I think I killed it. We should get to the point where like, how is this possibly of all the elk guiding and all the time you spend an elk country, how could this possibly be your first archer hill. Well, I stuck two of them with arrows two years ago, and one shot was perfect, and I don't I had poor arrow performance, is what I'm gonna chalk it up to. I'm not gonna get into the details, but I think I only got like half an arrow penetration. I think I got one long and unfortunately it's snowed that I killed. I shot him at like four pm. Followed him, well, let him. I knew that the shot wasn't great, so I let him sit for a while, followed him, bumped him, backed out of there. Snowed like eight inches that night, and uh, we grid searched all day looking for just a bumping the under the snow, but never came upon him. And the other one. I made a really dumb shot where he was walking by me like top in range, and instead of uh making a noise to stop him and waiting from the stop I just figured, oh, I'll just follow him and touch off, and that put my arrow like two ft back of where it should have hit. So as far as I could tell, he made it. It went clean through him. But you know, no no rooming and no real blood and fat, so it kind of went in that zone. I don't know. I can't tell you if it was behind her. I'm guessing behind the diaphragm right in front of the room. And but anyways, Yeah, a lot of guiding and um, a lot of going on other people's hunts, mostly Stephen Ronnella's the last six seven years. And um, you know, it's not that i haven't been out there trying. And I've killed a couple of cows with the old bow, one of them being that one I told you about. But I've certainly missed a few bulls a hundred breaks twice back in like oh seven and O nine and uh twice, I'm miss bulls in there with my stick bow. Yeah, well maybe when they feel will you know this, this could happen to you, Phil. You can hunt with us for like six or seven years and then eventually you could have your own show. We'll see what happens where is Phil's hunting? Phil, have you finished your Hunter Safety? I have not? No. What the hell, Phil, I'm in the middle of it. It's a lot going on right now. Go ahead and get him because he respects you more than me, because that last time you're in here, you gave him a little bit of I thought I thought you were serious about this. Here we go, here we go. Okay, No, I'm kind of serious. Are you gonna do it or not? I thought you guys had a hunt plan. Well, if I have to wait for Phil, I mean, that's nothing I can do legally. Well, that's why you're gonna take him to Texas because he's not gonna get his hunter safety. You don't need one down there, you do? Are you doing? You can just take it online. It's like a quicker one down there. I am. I am gett my hunter safety. I'm almost done. He's gonna get it. It's been going slowly. We got we got a new podcast on the network. Check it out, Bent. It's been it's been work. I've been you know, I got other hobbies, I got I got kids. He's got video games to play exactly, thank you, Ben. He's not gonna He's almost to the he's almost to the grand finale of whatever game, Mario Kart. I don't want to hear that you're not a Mario. You wouldn't play Mario Mario. What I've been playing recently, though, what have you been playing? Hades Destiny to've been I've been rewatching every movie directed by David Fincher. It's got a new one coming out. I'm reading Loo Dove by Larry McMurtry. That's a good thing. I do back that, but I can't. I gotta get I can't for my own I mean, people are listening to this. I think some will listen to this and they I gotta get on you for this. I mean, you can't be playing video games and not be I mean, Yanni, back me up here. This is but you know, everybody has their own priorities and look praise like Steve says, praise goal and I guess now we can praise video games too, because less hunters, less hunters to compete with. But then again, we want more hunters. Remember, I've been thinking about revising that, especially when I saw that GUP policy. Damn, and I saw those two trucks with the mediator stickers, like well, I think we should start a campaigning for lets like the same amount of hunters, but just more acceptance of hunting in society. I totally agree with you. Yeah, that's my new I know that goes against everything I've ever said ever, but people change. Yeah, there are three folks aren't going to be They're not gonna like that. Man, I'm probably, I promise you and yawning because you seemed just you seem concerned as well. He's extremely I'm going to finish my hunter safety Okay, next episode, Yes, I mean yes, Karin, your counterpart here in podcast land. Yeah, she's got like every time I talked to somebody, they're like, oh yeah, Charns coming down hunting next week or in December. She's coming down hunting. And she's gone hunting right now today. I believe somewhere she's great. How many kids does Karren half? Good point? Good point, good point? How many video games does she play? Exactly? Is she reading Larry Burjery books, the whole cannon of Larry. She's not that busy now. She's definitely on the circuit. Man. Every time I talked to her, like where are you going next? Can I go? I'm like yeah, I'm diving in. I love I love seeing it. She's excited. She gross hunting right now. It's great. Do you know where she is reading at grass hunting for in the producer? Uh, some sort of bird. Well, whenever you finish that hunter safety, you're gonna want to be able to identify the different game birds. Yeah all right, so yeah, please Sorry, did I explain to you why I haven't killed more bulls? Yeah? Yes, with my with my Yeah it's his all his fault. But yeah, so I got to plan a hunt down on the Colorado and I went and uh invited our buddy Jason Phelps from Phelps Game Calls. And I tell you what, what a treat to hunt elk with somebody that has thought about calling elk a lot more than I have. And I've thought about it a lot, but he's thought about it a lot more. And it was it was impressive to watch and listen and uh, he almost is to the point where it kind of seemed like a couple of times he was just like the what's the puppeteer? And the bull was like the puppets? Yeah, well isn't it Marryonette, Where's what am I missing? Here Maryonette has strings. Yeah, it hangs. Yeah, but I think you can still call a person who works a Marryonette puppeteer. But we might get in some angry emails from from your big puppet had audience. You get the point. I mean, we're literally like in the moment the bulls coming in, Jason's like calm and cool enough to be like, he didn't like that last one. Me try this, does another you know thing or special little chuckle bull does something. He's like, I think he liked that. I'm gonna do it again. Does it again? Bulls just like walking towards me. I'm like, holy cow, Like he's definitely reading him and reacting and making it making an app and um. So yeah, we thought we were going to have a sweet private land hunt. A friend of mine hooked us up with a nice ranch to hunt on, and uh the ranch was dead dead like crickets. There was elk on the ranch. They were bugling in the middle of the night, but an hour before daylight they were like, we were getting up early just to go and listen to see we can get on them. But an hour before daylight it was crickets and they were just going to bed early. We found a bowl. One evening, bedded right until dark. He stood up out of his bed pretty much as shooting light ended, you know, like I couldn't see my pins anymore. So we had to adjust, and we just said, you know what, let's go into the high country and see what happened. So we I've been hunting around like eight to nine thousand feet and we're like, all right, let's go up to ten eleven. We hiked in there. And as soon as we got in there the first day, four pm, four bulls bugling, and uh, we had packed to stay the night, got in on I think ebbowl. Jason called him to probably seventies sixty, a little bit out of my range. Let him walk. We camped out next morning. Took us I don't know, thirty minutes to get an answer. Another bugle and uh, yeah, I don't know another ten fifteen minutes later. Here he came walking down the it's not really a trail, kind of just like an opening alleyway kind of just you know, pretty thick stuff. We were in, but there was just like this little medal and he came right down and and um, interestingly, I've never done this I hadn't really seen it done in person, but Jason I had been talking about it beforehand. Was the frontal shot, and he told me the last four out of five bulls he's killed, he's you know, right above the sternom basically. And uh so this bull is walking in and I'm thinking, man, there's a good chance that that's gonna be my like the first opportunity I get, you know, and uh I'm like, yeah, Jason said, it's good, be good for me. It's a small window. I was gonna have a close shot end up being probably I don't know, fifteen to seventeen yards something like that. What kind of penetration to reach the vitals, because I mean I've done I don't think i've ever I've done frontal shots to the rifle, but never I don't think it was. Yeah, you know, it's interesting I did that. I had such good success. The bull runs off. Jason bugles once and we hear a lot of crash as soon as his bugle ends. And usually you bugle right when you hit an animal with an arrow or an elk with an arrow, to sort of like confuse them, slash, calm things down, because a lot of times when they hear that bugle, they're like, oh what was that? I forgot about that sharp thing that just went through me, you know. And it's the whole purpose is to make him not run as are, you know, slow him down a little bit. Hopefully they get woozy and just fall over dead. So he does that, and immediately we hear a crash. Had I just stepped out into the opening and looked up, I would have seen him piled up there. But we didn't move. We're just like, all right, cool, let's give it forty five minutes, even though we think it was a great shot. Forty five minutes and we'll go look. So we found him, and I'm like, holy cow, that worked well. Through another story, I end up getting I talked with a large animal vet that is a big proponent of this shot, and kind of interviewed him being like, well, what did I hit? You know? What's all in there? And man, he's saying that just initially on impact, right next to the trachea there you have two major arteries, right, so hopefully you could be slicing those. Then at that point you go between the lungs where you have a major artery that enters the lungs there right, or you could be hitting either part of the front end of the lobe of the lungs. If you're a little bit lower than that, you're gonna be clipping the top of the heart major artery. You know, then you're back into the liver, punching through the diaphragm, and you know after that year in the room and which isn't gonna do much damage. But um, he said the same thing. He thinks it's roughly a six by eight square six inches wide, eight inches tall, and he only takes that shot twenty yards and under because he's like, it's not you know, it's not a broadside elk where you're looking at almost eighteen by eighteen inches, you know, much much bigger at for anybody that anybody that haunts turkeys with the bow. I mean, you're shooting, you know a lot of times you're your aim point there, and when you're that's a similar size sixty eight inches probably sixtight inch square, similar size if you're shooting for the wing butt right above the beard. So yeah, and also elk are likely to be coming in frontal and they're likely to be close if you're calling them in like you were. So that makes all the sense in the world to me. Um, it seems like if you thought about it as much as you clearly have, it's plenty ethical and plenty effective. Oh, I couldn't believe. In fact, like I think the animal is dead and three to five seconds like completely expired, the arrow went all we ended up getting all along. Um, definitely, I cut like ten inches of the of the track yet as it went through there, and then obviously the liver, but the arra went all the way through his room and the broadhead stuck in one of his hams. Yeah, buddy, all right, Matthews, all right, Oh, I was very very I'm so the greatest thing about this whole thing is to come out of a hunt where like I said, I've missed bowls, I've hit bulls not recovered them, but to come out and say, you know what, my equipment is dialed right now. I have so much confidence in the way that it works, like great aero penetration, quick kill, it was accurate. Like it just feels so good to have that confident feeling. It won't be long until Yeah, but I do think once you get to that point, because I've been there before. I feel like I'm there now. I just need one to do what I needed to do the right thing. Then you can start to like, you can start to work around the small little idiosyncrasies, a little nuances of like of how your arrow flight or if if you're just trying to get one in the right spot, like be confident that when a bull is walking by, it's twenty yards you can put the arrow where you need to. If you don't have full confidence that you can do that, it's hard to work on the little things. Um but with both like how your bow is working, or what kind of arrow you're gonna shoot, and to to to how when you draw, how you draw, how long you can hold all those things that it's kind of hard to work on if you're not confident in that end results. So once you feel confident, you can really start to dial it in and get to a point where point I'm not and now, but I've been in the past where you really feel like if if a shot is presented, it's going down. Yeah, Well, you can focus on the hunt more right, not really you know what your arrow is gonna do or shot placement and all that because you're feeling strong. I was probably telling me last time, I was switching releases a lot this year, just try playing around. Like, if you're in that confident state, you don't do that. Like you don't you don't even think about your release. It's not even a it's not something that comes into your mind. It's like it's it's a working part of the machine. It's yeah. No, I have an archery hunt in November with my dad rut white Tails, and I'm not going to change the thing. I'm just gonna keep shooting and hopefully making good focus shots every time I pulled the trigger. Alright, well, congratulations on your first archery bowl. Hey, thanks, thanks Jason Phelps fore Man calling it in. That was sweet. See't meet either hunts. That's right. Good footage everything. Oh it's gonna be some of the finest baby bell hunting footage I think we've ever put out away. I'm excited. Um, we have to wait a while, but we're still excited. Are we gonna put that out you think, like in the off season to keep people titilated? Oh yeah, no, it's gonna be uh sometime next summer. But it'll be that perfect timing where I was telling you earlier. There's some stuff that comes out on YouTube. It's sort of like daily what do they call him, not live, but like semi live a day or two later when they do it. A lot of stuff I save, like the Turkey season stuff. I save it to watch it in January when I'm like anticipating and getting all fired up. And um, that's what this will be. Yeah, because during Turkey season, I don't want to watch someone else's turkey, you know, don't want to go out there and do it myself. But it's a great way to get jazzed up and you know, learn some stuff beforehand. So anyways, yeah, it'll be sometime in the summer. It'll get you all jack. Yeah I don't. I mean I am. I'm still jacked up every time I I packed my truck and head out for Elk or Milder or whatever. Even though I'll tell you what, even though Montana has not been kind to me, every time I go to another state, I feel my tag. But Montana specifically, it's becoming a it's becoming it's not a curse yet a few more years, but it's it's it's getting there. Don't let that thought into your mind. I'm not. I'm not. I did like Steve's line from from the trailer for Season nine, which is out now on Netflix me either TV, where he said you have to act like an optimist. He even if right like me, right now you're thinking like a pessimist, like maybe it's just not my year, but it can be if you just keep going. Yeah, I'm glad I've at least turned him so much to the point that it's part of optimism enters his brain. It took you years and years ago. And we're gonna do a podcast coming up later this week in fact, and so it likely will be the next one you listen to about wounding animals. I believe you're gonna take part in that, you honest um, hopefully we'll have some other folks from from the Mediator crewel cal same longer than other folks. You know, you saw it on the Colorado episode of Mediator TV, if you've watched on Netflix. I mean, it happens, wounding animals. It happens to all of us. I think I haven't I haven't met anyone that's a hardcore archer hunter. It spends a lot of time doing it that hasn't had this happen any kind of hunter, any kind of hunter, any done with rifles, man they get away times. So I know there's plenty of people that are veteran hunters that listen to this, but there's a lot of people that are brand new or are getting into it, or have been into it a couple of years. And we have the dearest Phil over here, who soon we'll be have a hunter safety card laminated in his wallet at all times, and we want to make sure that we talk about it as folks and makes here he'll join in on the wound last converse. He'll come in and be like, it's awful and what did you make me do? But um, it's an important conversation. I think we I think our maybe our reputations that we have it a little bit more than other folks. But that's not even the point. The point is we just want to look at the data. We're gonna bring some data along. We've already been talking to some state game agencies and kind of sussing out how they look at wound loss and when they when they do tag allocations and things of that nature. So that will be next week or coming up here in the month. Of October, as we sadly say goodbye the sweet September, all the failures. All right, we got some people coming up. Our last guest fills a prize for you, specifically, I have a guess without who it could be. Do alright, I don't guess yet. All ruin us? All right? Our first guest on asked the eagle, what do we call? Are we saying? Episode two, Yanni, Part two? What are we saying? It doesn't matter, don't mated? I mean, uh, justin Carson, out of Texas, justin say what's up? Howdy? How are you guys doing doing good? Uh? We're gonna go ahead and let you rip your question. We're gonna have We're gonna try to keep this to fifteen to twenty minutes. Um, so rip away. Let Yanni know what you would like to ask the eagle? Okay, uh, Nanny as someone who is uh, I've grown up white kill hunting and duck hunting locally, but kind of making a transition, hopefully into going out west doing more back country hunting. I'm just kind of curious, um like gear storage solutions travel as far as what kind of uh you know? Ridds you guys, run with trucks tints. Are you doing it all? Um? You know, backpacking in the haul of camper back there, just kind of those solutions, you know. For me, we're going to Colorado and an elk hunt this fall. It's a thirteen hour drive, so uh, you know, we can't just run back to the house if we forget something. So just kind of curious if you guys use lists, what kind of storage solutions all use in your vehicles your backpacks? Um, I know it's pretty opmmitted question, but we'd just love to see. I'm sure you know, you and Ben and the rest of the guys all have different ideas on what works and what doesn't, and just kind of curious what you guys used for all that. Cool. Yeah, that's a great question. Um, we could definitely write at least two chapters of a book to answer. Um. So let's maybe use your upcoming hunt as the example and we can sort of give you some tips and tricks for that one in particular. Are you I'm I'm guessing you're going out for a rifle season. We are, we are, We're going up to call Auto. I actually didn't draw a tag this year, but my buddy did offered their property up there. Um, and so I'm just gonna kind of tag along. And I've never been on an elk hunt before, so be a good way to learn the ropes and and help them out, is it? Do you know what season you're going? Yeah, it's the late rifles season. It's the last week of October. Last week of October. So that is that second or third this year? I believe it's third, huh. And that and that's not an over the counter unit. You just can't buy a tag huh. No, you know they did a second draw this year and there's still none. You know, after all that shook out, there's nothing over the counter available. You know. It's a bummer, but I'm kind of okay with it. I'll get a chance to go up there and learn what the heck is going on before I spend the money on the tag. Right, and now you're hunting private? Uh? Well, there, they have some land up there, but you know, we spent we spent time up there. They have elk that passed through, but not so much hangout. So I think we'll be venturing out into public land, got it. But you're gonna use this property as like a base camp. Well, that's kind of what we're curious. They do have a small cabin on it, so that will be like home base. But we think we're gonna have to reach out pretty far. Um, So I'm sure we'll be will either be hiking out from there, or we might drive, uh you know, tick up out to a different location and comes set up like a chink camp a little bit further down away. Got it. Um? Well, yeah, let's see, let's start with the with the rigs. Uh. When you say riggs, I'm guessing you're talking about like a truck, right, Yeah, I'll tell your story about your truck, Johnnie, tell Justin all about your I'm not gonna tell him he's gonna buy a Daryl Walterrap Edition Toyota Tacoma. Right, that's got a red racing stripe down the So it's beautiful. Who knew that he made a that Toyota did a Darryl waltrip edition. Totally non sensical. It doesn't make any sense that Darrell walterp Toyota Tacoma. But I digress. Continue. Um, I don't do any too spe So as far as my truck goes, I've just got a camper, and I've got a I think like I think it's an inch and an eighth piece of plywood that's that's covered in um just like that you know, green fake carpet stuff. And I've got a contractors window so I can actually slide it in through there. And it's like three quarters of the length of my bed and it just sits right on top of my you know truck bedrails, and if I want, I can take a little sea clamps and hold it down. But it's so heavy that and that it works there and so it actually, um, it's basically just a divider in a way, just to kind of keep it organized. I kind of keep the clean dry stuff up top, and then underneath it. It's got just enough height to slide in coolers, um, you know, in any of you know, wet or nastier gear. I've got just I've got the shallow topper. It's not the one that pops up over your cab, you know. And so for me, that old enough for that. I'm telling you, my next truck is definitely gonna have it. Um Because when I when I crawl in there and I'm on my side, my shoulder is just about to touch the top of the camper, you know, if I want to sleep in there, So it's a little bit tight. So usually if I'm gonna sleep next to the truck, I'm gonna pull out the you know, they're just the cop and sleeping bag and then if it's really cool, then might get into a tent or something. So yeah, as far as that goes, I don't know. You know, it gets some I have I like to keep my stuff organized, so I'll probably have some rubber made storage containers, you know with different kits in there, one for cooking and you know, one with food in it and whatnot. Um, but yeah, you guys definitely gonna need to make a plan on whether you're you know, if you're just hunting out of the truck where you're staying, if you're gonna go backpack, and um that hunt is getting a little bit later into the season, so you could have some major weather, major snow, major cold temps. But man, October in Colorado also has like the knack is sometimes being very warm and like so warm that like it's not good for l cotton. Yeah, I've had a few of those. Yeah, two of them in fact, where we hunted water holes around this same time, UM, shot a bear. I had a buddy shot of shoot a bear, black bear of a water hole at like late October Colorado rifle season, because that's the only thing we can do to hunt. The sixty seventy degrees in the in the daytime, and all the creators got their winter coats on already, so they're all hanging on the north face and slopes. They're not coming out to feed, you know, except for very early and late in the day. Um. Anyways, I would be prepared for both extremes, like be prepared to be hiking around in a T shirt midday, but also be prepared you know with some gators bundle up. You know. Yeah, we were there. We were actually up there on a four whe only trip in that area back in September, and on you know, the Sunday we were there's not any one degrees and then Tuesday we got twelve in to the snow. Uh. It's an interesting world region. Welcome to the West. Yeah, I mean, I'll tell you, um what I what I've done. I've been doing this a lot this year, truck camping and backhuntry, tent camping in different things. I try to make sure I have like a staging idea when I go on a hunt. Our our recent Missouri breaks hunt was like this where I'm gonna have. I start off with, I have a YETI got the YETI go box. I have like a YETI go box with if I'm gonna truck camp with all my gear in it, anything like flashlights, pair of cord, any extra knives, any kind of gear related stuff that's not in my pack is in one go box. I have another go box with all my cook stuff anything you know, plates, forks, anything that you would need to cook from there. Um, so that's that's too. You know, two important things for me. I'll have a bin with all of my sleeping stuff. That includes I usually bring like two sleeping bags, two tents, you know, because you could never know what you're gonna be dealing with. And then another bend. I put all my snacks and snack light and stuff like that, a lantern and a plastic table and a big giant yetie cooler yetie to tent to put my food in. And if a killing milk, that's where the the elk will go. And so that's what the back of my truck looks like, but then I also try to understand like staging. If I'm camping with my truck, I don't have I don't sleep in the back of my truck. I don't I don't have a cap or on or top on it or anything. And so I'll have I have the Nemo Endurance, the two person expedition tent that I it's super easy to set up. He just takes you about ten fifteen minutes. I usually just pull my truck up, pop that up, put my plastic table out, and then right next to that, I'll put that tent. And then I always have UM an Ultra light tent in my pack or or stash somewhere in case I'm thinking, man, I'm gonna probably spike out tonight. UM I have those sky Air u L t to Ultra Light Stone Glacier tent, which it just takes a couple of trek and poles, a couple of stakes to put up. And so that's how I do it. I try to make sure if I'm going to camp, buy the truck. I know I got everything there, but if I'm gonna break out and go spike camp, I've got not only you know, a lighter sleeping bag, a lighter tent. I've also have, you know, I know this is maybe a little bit first world to have two of everything, but that's what I try to do. And then from there I try to make sure that I've got I'm always going to have something to boil water with, something to cook with. I know you guys are using what's the stove? You guys have been using the little oh the mr reactor reactor. Yeah. I can't believe it took me so long to make the switch man from jet boys, jet boils like the ubiquitous I feel. I don't know if I justin, if you have jet boiler, have some something to cook up, m alreadys and boiled water. Yeah, I've got an ms are just a little pocket rockets. There go. Those things take a beating. Yeah, those things are good. Um. Yeah, I don't know what Jeb Will did, man, it must have been good marketing. Um that they got out in front of that reactor. With that reactor, you can't even walk away from it and it's got water boiling. Yeah. Uh, yes, there's a good tip for you. Um, if your if your pocket rocket breaks down. I'm trying to think of one other tip I could give for you. I guess, man, if you're gonna go out for a little tour, just bring enough so that you can stay the night, you know, maybe bringing like an ultra light tent like Ben was saying, or maybe even just a tarp to get underneath and a sleeping bag. You know, with just those things and like a little bit of extra food, you can always at least just do a quick bivvy and that way you don't have to you spend you know, I realize that more and more every year. It's like, as soon as you're in there more than a couple of miles, you know, if it's anything more than an hour walk each direction, you're so much better off, man, just plopping down, resting, eating and being right where the critters are in the morning. Um yeah, you know, as opposed to have to walk all the way back out because it never fails. You get back and you have a couple of beers, and then that motivation to get up as early as you need to get up to get back out there and be there on time starts to wane, and it's uh, it's just so much easier and slicker to stay the night out there. You know. Yeah, Yeah, that's why you know, you gotta go into it. At the very least, you gotta go into it with this idea that you got it your it's this utilitarian idea like, oh, I can go back to the truck. I got a cooler full of beer, some chairs and a camp fire. That's great. But if the hunting tells me I need to spike out biv out, I'm gonna do it. Yeah. And you might hit one, you know, late and not find it, and you know, another good reason to stay out, or you find him and you know you're not. You don't want to no reason to go pack it out in the middle of the night, especially that late in the year. Just you know, sleep next to the carcass and pack it out in the morning, you know, when you're fresh and you can see where you're going and don't twist an ankle um. And I will tell you man, from living in Texas the time that I did and being you know, spend some time around the b h A chapter that's based there in Texas. There are a lot of people doing what you're doing, going from Texas to Colorado or Texas to Idaho or Montana or wherever. Um, so there's a community of people down there, certainly, if if you're not already connected with the b h A chapter down there, I know for sure there's guys in that chapter, whether it's the Dallas you know. I know that's kind of closer to where you are justin um or where I was in Austin. It's a pretty common thing because obviously there's not a lot of public hand held counts happening in old Texas. Yeah, so it's it's quicker to run and do what you're doing and run to Colorado. So the resources certainly are there with b h A specifically for this justin Do you have any specific questions that we we didn't hit on, anything specific we can touch on before you go. Uh No, I mean that pretty much covers it. Like I said, I've talked to band you guys doing sent job, and you know, any other resource you look at, you know, shows you how to how to find out there, hopefully found him and put them down. I've just saw it too. More curious on y'all VND Uh you know, I can't you touched on using a camper shell and your pickup truck and those kind of details. Uh, you know, you just don't really see. You can talk to anybody about ltcoming. I'll tell you all about the chase, but not so much how they got there and how they stayed there and what made it an effect upon it. Um, that's what you know. That's kind of why I wrote into Ben was just curious about those types of things you see you get on Instagram. There's a million different storage ideas with deck solutions or chuck vaults and chance for the camper shelves and all that kind of stuff. So I was just kind of curious to get Shell's opinions and what makes it successful for you guys. Yeah, let me tell you what my dream. I'll tell you what my dream is. What I don't what I don't currently have but I really want to do, is I want to deck system in my truck and I want to go fast camper top topper. You know about that, Yehnnie, I've heard of them, so yeah, go fast Camper. You can look it up. It's it's a topper, but it also has a built an integral a built in tent. It's like a forty degree angle pop up tent. It has temperpedic panels. I rented a truck that had this one time, like temp repedic panels. You pop the panels out, you can stand up basically in the back of your truck. So if you were had a deck system for all your gear and then you had this camper top, you literally would be you'd have a mobile, you know, in terms of drive your truck, parket, pop the camper up, and you're sleeping. That's my That's that's where I'm headed because I think that that's the only reason I'm not too sold on the tents in the truck though, is that I feel like oftentimes I'm using the truck to hunt in the morning, right, Like if you know for a fact every single time you go out and you're just like, well, I'm just gonna get up and then walk away from the truck and go on my hunt. Great, but it just doesn't. It just seems like after two days of hunting, you're like, well that we hunted around here. Now we have to walk two miles from here to to get into the critters. That's where I think the camper I don't know, it's always a trade up, right, because the campers you can't pull into quite the gnarliest places that you can just drive your truck into, but like a small size camper that you could just unhitch and leave and make a camp and then you keep using your rig to drive around and do some hunting. Yeah, I've thought about this a lot. This might help you justin certainly making those types of decisions like dragging a trailer to where we were in the Missouri Breaks. I could get my truck around with almost no problem, but I couldn't dragging a trailer. Clay Nucolm trying to drag his mules and a trailer and got about a third of the way down the road where we ended up camping. Um. But the GFC literally to to take down the tent, you just grab the top bar and pull it down and snap it in place, and you're done. You're done. You're done, and it's quick. The only the only thing that I would say that is negative from a couple of days I got to use it, is that it's like a bit of a wind sock. Like if you're up on a ridge and it's windy, you're sitting up on top of your truck and you know that wind, so you just have to find a place where that exposure is not you know, get your wind direction right and kind of park down and get a ridge to block the tent or something like that, because if you park up on a you know, spine of a ridge or something to try to camp, you're gonna be sleeping in a wind sock. Where where's the tent on the ground. Not too much. You can maybe even pull your truck sometimes I do to drive to block my tent where the winds coming from, to block the fire and the tent, to keep the wind from blowing things about. So a lot of things to think of, man, And I know, you know, like Ronella has a camper now, doesn't he um? Like guys like Callahan, he just he could sleep anywhere he sleeps. He sleeps in the back of his truck. No, all that stuff is fine and danny until it actually gets cold and hitty and wet out. And then that's when campers and tents with stoves and stuff. You got it. Like, if you're not gonna get dry and comfy again, man, that motivation is gonna wane real quick. So you know, maybe look at the ten day forecast, you know, and do you have a trailer to drag with you if you need if you want to, Oh, yeah, we've got access to one. Yeah. Our plan was to kind of take We've got like a little troll foot untility trailer. You're just gonna you know, throw coolers and everything we need on there. And you know, I think most of the area that we're in we can get close and we can find a somewhere to camp that we can get that trailer into and kind of branch off from there. There you go, there, you go there. Yeah, if you know that, you know, we were talking about this last week transient transient hunting, you kind of have to got to know the score before you go for sure. And I'll tell you from working at Yetie, most of the questions that I got in terms of coolers, just what size cooler fits an elk was probably the number one question I got. I said, well, it depends on what how the elk is situated once you've cut it up. But the YETI two ten is the cooler that I use. I would recommend it to everyone. It is as important as anything. I mean, we've seen de bone No A two ten. You can probably I've gotten debone front shoulders and two on the bone hams with all the rest of the meat into two ten before. I've never tried all four quarters, but I'm pretty sure you can make it happen, depending on how much ice you had, how big an elk it was, but I'm almost sure you can make it happen with the two ten, and you couldn't do it with any other side cooler that they have. Um and and you know where I'm from, Maryland and Pennsylvania, these guys will hook up a generator and a chess freezer and drag it out on a trailer pretty commonly. No, that's a that's a real slick way to do it, man, So you can certainly do that. But if you want to just have a more utilitarian cooler set up, I think a YETI two ten, while expensive, will do the job twice over. I hope that helps justin Yeah, yeah, it does. Like I said, there's in this quick discussion, there's obviously a million different ways to do it, but just kind of curious what works for you guys, And like Ben said, you know what you would like to do someday, And for us, it's what a teen hours from home, so we can't just runt of the garage and grab something if we need it. We got a haul at all. So we're just curious different ways to do different storage solutions, and that's your definitely some good ideas to run with, beautiful man. Well, once you get it dialed in, it feels good. You kind of know, you know what you have to do and what what you need to bring it. Don't need to bring the cakes a couple of times to dial that in, but once you get there, it feels good. So thanks for calling in to ask the eagle. Man, Um, good luck and let us know how she goes. We'll do it. Thank you, guys, you'll have a great week alright, justin see about good luck. Thanks bright. Hello, This just Trent, Trent, Ben O'Brien, Joanni P tell Us and Phil the engineer TRP. What's going on? Say? Hey Phil, Hey Trent, how are you good? How are you guys doing good? Good? We get you a good time? Yeah, great man, Um, we have we have the Eagle here, joannest tell Us. He's ready and waiting to answer any queer you might have. So fireway, Hey, good morning, morning trip. We'll tell your mind. So I had a pretty gnarly knee injury this summer and I have a few plans for hunting this fall, but it looks like I'm not going to be able to make it out. I was just wondering, what's your recommendation for still getting out and enjoying fall, but also knowing that I'm not really walking on unpaved surfaces and getting back deep. So you got some tags in your pocket, but you're you're you're you're limited. You're how much you how far you can go from the truck? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, I got a buck tag, I got a dough tag and a Swan tag burning a hole in my pocket, but I'm not walking too far. I see how far can you? Are you gonna be able to walk by the time it's hunting season at a couple of hundred yards? Maybe you can't. You can only walk on paved surfaces supposed to whatever. Yeah, so going up and down hills is not recommended. Yeah, well your swan tag. That shouldn't be too hard, right. You just gotta get a blind that's close enough to where someone can get the truck close to your blind and walk over there. So we won't even address that. I'm hoping you got that one figure it out as far as your your deer tags go, though, I think you need to figure out you need to do some truck scouting obviously, and I think this is gonna be a good way for you to really get better reading sign because we all know that animals walk on roads, the crossroads. And when I say roads, I'm talking like four service you know, not quite two tracks, but you know I'm talking about a just to gravel for service road. And you know, find those crossings, man, look for them. And then you know, look, you know, look at your on X, look at the terrain features around, see what that crossing is going to and from you know, is there you know, betting area nearby, or some water below the road, maybe a saddle that is going from you know, from that crossing over to a saddle. Who knows what it might be. But I think just you know, do you learn your zone as best as you can by just peeking out your truck window looking down at the at the dirt road. You know, there's there's sign all over it. Um and then uh, you know, trying to find those kind of pinch points and funnels and places where animals travel they're just close to those roads like I said before, a saddle man like. Critters love using saddles, and there are definitely roads that go through saddles, under saddles near saddles um that you could probably you know, a saddle like you give people the general Yeah, sure, it's addle comes from you know, like the saddle on a on a horse. But basically a low point on a ridge on either side is going to have higher points, so the animals are simply taking the path of least resistance when they're needing to cross a ridge. I mean sometimes you're talking about crossing the whole mountain range and you're gonna like look for a major saddle, which at that point is called a pass through the mountains, right, But smaller versions of that and the environment always are you know, good ways, good places to catch critters. It seems like anytime I'm hunting New country, I rolled through a saddle like, man, this looks like a good place to hunt. Like one out of two times you look up in a tree and someone had the tree stands set up in that saddle, right, or you see some remnant of some somebody had hunted there in the past. Well, it's because it's they're always good spots um. But yes, you could, you know, look for that, you know funnels, whether it's you know, a big piece of timber that neckt down into some all or timber um water near your roads, you know, would be good place to just because you're gonna have to take more of a stand hunter approach. I think this fall right. You're not gonna walk far. You're gonna go and sit, and you need to be sitting where the critters are gonna walk through the other thing I was thinking too that you can employ is um. I don't know what kind of friends and family you have that might help you out for this rough hunting season you got coming up, but have them orchestrates some drives. Y right, like the same thing. Man, you're sitting up in that saddle that you know, you know critters are using, and uh, you know, figure out where the nearest betting area is to that saddle and see if you can't get some you know, friends and family to walk through there for you and get some animals on on their feet and move through there, and uh, you know that might work out for you. Yeah, I like that idea a lot. Actually, I'll tell you what if if there's been Uh, many many people will uh do what we call road hunt and uh be very very successful. Yours truly included in that, especially when it comes to analopen wyoming and things of that nature. I think you just kind of adopt some of those strategies, which is, be in the truck and be moving and be glassen, and eventually you'll find a deer somewhere near a spot you can get to um and as Yanni said, you'd pattern it from there and then get yourself. You know, you know, I've been really impressed recently with this first Light Nemo. I don't know the real name of it, but I call it a swingy chair. You were signing one of those, Yanni. Yeah, I think it's like a isn't like a star Gazer star Gazer. I call it my son, and I call it the swingy chair because you can sit in this thing. I don't know if it's specifically would work for your injury, Trent, but it works for me. It's like it it just makes me feel enveloped in a beautiful, very comfortable material. And is that what it's called you you're looking it up the first Light. I think you're right. I think it's called the Star Gazer, but it would be Yeah, it would be wonderful for you. It's wonderful for me. You may put it by the road and just sit in it and get yourself some coffee or whatever beverage you like, and just and just enjoy the day. Maybe a deer will walk by, Ben he's trying to kill something, man not. Maybe that's maybe that's why all my tags are yet it's the star Gaze, Recliner, luxury chair, see luxury chair. And you know you've been through a lot, Trent. You need a little luxury in your life. This isn't you know, some products I just fall in love with, you know how I feel about White Claw and things of that nature. So I'm I'm currently on currently on the snaz bare tooth boots and the first light swingy luxury chair. Yeah, and don't go into it with a positive mindset to man, and don't think that all the animals are you know, two miles back. Everybody else is hiking back there. There's a lot of critters right off the side of the road that watch hunters drive by all the time. And you're just gonna have to, you know, take that mindset and be knowing that they're they're looking for him and hunting them and just being a little bit slicker than the average average guy that's driving down the road. I think I think he'll be able to be successful. Man, anything else for u, his, Trent, anything else we can help you with. Phil's here, he's standing by. He knows how to play video games. Yeah, um, now he might have a secret code for you to unlock some level. Are you playing video games while you're while you're out recuperating, Trent? No, No, not for me. Oh good, I've got nothing to offer you. Then I've been time time, spent a lot of time at the fly advice throwing up my fly boss. Hey there you go some late winter, early spring dry fly action right on. Phil might not know, but flies are like these little things that you tie up and use while your fly fishing to catch I was always wondering to look like you'll get to that and then hunters fisher safety when you take that. Appreciate it, Hey, Trent, thanks for calling in Man. We appreciate it. Thank you, Trent. All right, thanks, gentlemen, have a good one alright. Phil. The final our final caller of today is the guests specifically for you that we're gonna call um somebody that's near, so near and dear to your heart that you've have maligned there get out of here featuring on the show. Before we're gonna call such a jackass call. We're gonna call a good friend Eric all right now, and he has some questions for Joanni, but he might have something to say to you as well. Phil. It's hard to say this is a slander. He's he's a well spoke an individual and so we're calling him up. Give us Eric call. Yeah, this is Ben O'Brien and Philly Engineering jannest the Eagle Patellus. What's up, buddy? What's up? Eric? Have it going on? It's going good. Yeah, you're gett You're gonna talk to Yanni, but first, but first, Phil has yet to complete his Hunter's safety and I need you to Yann. You know I have already kind of berated him a bit for that this morning, but we need you to get in there rough him up a little bit. Eric, Man, I thought Cal had the perfect last just finish that's right, that's right, damn it, damn it. I mean Eric Hall is like, you know, the head of all THC listeners like the captain of the th HC listener and he's telling you. I'd say he has more authority than than than Yanni or cal Yeah, maybe even you. Maybe listen Eric more than you. It's good. It's why I'm having him on, because because he needs to give you the business here. Um so anything I think I think up a little bit. He is. He was upset even at the idea that we were going to call you, because he knew what I was gonna do. I think so, without further ado, I'd like to introduce you to the Eagle. Say hey to Eric Hall. Hey Eric, Yeah, here, you're a regular man. I am a regular. I'm getting to feel a little bit like Berry. I didn't get no Dan. We take you over. We love Barry, but Barry he's difficult, but we I will we it's long do that we send you some sort of item here for all the time you spend my gosh. Yeah, he's got out, gotta have a hat or something. I think, I mean, it's almost to the point where he needs his own custom merch. Yeah, i'd be an Eric, call that happen. Yep, that feel smart? Feel smart? It would just say hey, ben he Manfield. Ye, there is, Yeah, that's it. Where are you from your call here? I'm North Carolina herein Yeah, but my in laws are down there Morehead. Okay, Yeah, that's why I go to the beach, to Atlantic Beach, the beach, that's where I go. I've been. I've been there a few times. All right, Eric, I like your questions, man, I would like you to start with your first question, your second question first, the second question that you wanted to ask first. I really like that one. Yeah, that was what's a week consistent as far as working for you? Being Yanni? And yeah, I feel if it works more than well, that's why I don't have time to do Hunter Safety. I'm too busy clean up these guys message. That's why I'm excited about this question because it's gonna give Phil a chance to explain why he hasn't finished yet the Hunter Safety. You want to kick it off, Phil, Yeah, Phil, take it away. Oh sure, Okay. Well, I just like to point out when I got hired here, it's been about a year and a half. I was working on two podcasts. I am now working on five podcasts, and I handle the recording of three or four of them. Yeah, I mean you should be getting paid two point five times as much. Have you gotten a raised in that time? I didn't say it. Have you gotten a raised during? That's funny you said that I have not? Wow? Wow, that's right. The listeners, the head of all T a c. Listeners is it's like a just go ahead and right into uh h and resources. But in all honestly, like people think of the me, the engineers just I just sit a ound behind his board and I hit a button and then when the show's over, I hit another button. And that's my job. But recording is actually only about five percent of my job. It's yeah, tell me more, Okay. After that, I put the files on a computer. I work on a program called pro Tools is an it's an audio editing software where I use a series of plug ins like equalization, compression, gating, unbelievable, de nois ng. I clean up the shows. I edit them down, make them a little bit tighter. Sounds like the software does all the work. Yeah, nope, these are like plugins. You didn't create the algorithms or like the code or anything. Did did Did Michael Jordan create the basketball? So you're the Michael Jordan's Eric, He's saying, he's the Michael Jordan of podcast engineers. That's right. I'm like and I'm also a layer of quality control, you know, my my job as as many layers. And uh. And then when when I'm done with that, and I spent time with my kids, I reading books, and then and then I want to watch it. I want to why I want to watch He's a good father, is what he's saying, folks, a good dad. You know. I gotta pick and choose what I do with my spare time. That's right, Eric. You have any other further questions about the plug ins at Philly Man? What is your typical work week look like? Well, yeah, I start off, I have a hot tub at my house. I started. I start off with eight hours of hot tubs hot tub time. I wish I did. I gotta get a hot tub. Spencer new Art has a hot tub. He sits. That's what he does every morning. He gets that sounds incredible, but like it does sound gotta get that. They gotta get limber. Um. No, I you know, I do a lot of things. I don't have as a set of schedule as as one field t engineer because I don't have as many deadlines, but I do. I handle this podcast, of course, all the things that related to it, I don't have. I book all the guests and make sure all the things come out right, and uh, of course quality control not as much as Phil, but I like to listen to what we've said at least once before you guys hear it. So I got that, I got Remy Warren's podcasts. If you heard Cutting the Distance, Remy and I work together on that, so I make sure I make sure that that gets out the way it needs to and has all the copy and and and has all the editorial control that we that our company needs to have for Cutting the Distance. So I spend a good bit of time each week working on that. I also do some writing for Col's Weekend Review, so some of the stuff you hear there is written by me. Some of the tail end, like quick hitter news pieces I write for Cal. Most recently, I think the one that aired today, I can't remember. I don't want to. I won't spoil it for anybody, but if you a lot of the writing on there, A good bit of the writing and the quick hitter news stuff, that's my contribution I also am I don't know what you'd call it for Back forty showrunner for Back forty, director, producer, producer, probably I don't know what the titols are, but kind of lead the creative for Back forty along with Mr Mark Kenyon. So that's a lot of work this time of year. We're currently we've got six episodes. We filmed three, were editing two of them and writing another three of them all the same time. Man, not to get off on a side note, it's here too hard, but I gotta interrupt. He's got some nice bucks on that. It's coming a long, baby, I'm excited. Man, are you gonna get to hunt it this year? No? I didn't write myself into this episode. No, No, I'm not gonna be on any episode. Yeah. No, there's a couple of box that I'd be just super stoked to be. Oh. Man, I mean from last year where there was like one sick looking deer walking around, now there is you know, eight to ten you know nice bucks there. So um, even if it's half coincidence and then half you know from the work he's done, like great, very very happy. It's clear that though some of the work he's done is making a difference. Some of the adding cover from the burn we did this spring. Some of the stuff you'll see in the first couple of episodes of the show is legitimately working. Um because a lot of the places, a lot of where we're seeing these bucks are in some of the places. We've done some work specifically to to add some cover for him, and so it's working. It's anyway, I'll work on that. We're also working currently on a super top secret documentary possibly, so I'm doing some work on that, trying to get that line though. Uh that may or may not come out sometime in the future based on one of our podcast episodes. Um, so that's hopefully that's still lating. And uh yeah, Deuce editing and writing for the website, all kinds of other stuff that comes up when it comes up. Um, all right, yeah, get him buddy, Ah Eric. I do not have a typical work week ever. Um. It rarely seems like there's two of them in a row that are the same. But I can tell you that when I am here in town, and I can call it like my office hours time. Um. I spent a lot of time on pushing the old emails and uh, you know, going to meetings, talking to about creative with people on different projects, whether it's doss about um meat Eater obviously meat Eator Hunts now which I'm hosting a few episodes of this fall um. A lot of work goes into that, writing treatments for those to get everybody on board with you know, what we expect to see out of each episode, and then when we're done, writing producer notes, and then we're giving those two editors and then working with the editors to then produce the final product. You know, of any kind of media see um Meteor podcasts sometimes takes up almost no no portion of my time because it's it's easy podcasts fodder that already know it's in my head. But say we have a a lineup of some authors, there's a lot of reading to be done, and I'm reading the reading man. Uh So I feel weird sometimes doing it for work, But there's sometimes days when I'll spend just reading, you know, trying to get through a book. So that can sound like a good interviewer and ask ask some good questions. I should have put that in my list of things that I do read books for the podcast. That is it is surprising. Maybe not surprisingly. It takes a lot of time. No, it does for sure, But you gotta do it because otherwise you're just you're You're not doing anybody you need justice. Um. But a lot of just coordinating and planning logistics goes into all this stuff making this media. Um, you know, just finding places to hunt and making sure that you have location releases and film permits to go hunt those places. And I have a big team that I would work with here media during production that all help get all that stuff, you know, get all those boxes checked. Um, it's a lot you um, but I'm trying to think if I'm missing anything else. I just I just wrote some little paragraph to myself about what I was doing. I should just pulled that up. To answer your answer your question, I'll tell you what I do, uh Friday, about three thirty maybe four o'clock. Usually I'll crack open a white claw. Lately it's been watermelon. Yeah, man, just get you made me try a wall I gotta try one. Man, what flavor? What flavor? I think the mango because everybody talks about the mangoat it's not for everybody. I'm with you, Eric, I'm not gonna give it the full but it's not for everybody. Yeah, it's there goes our sponsorship. Yeah, now, we thought we had a We were just getting ready to sign. The contracts just came in. Too bad. I'll throw them out and they're gonna hear this and growing everything. Just so y'all like it. You know, you're getting people to try anyway, but you know, probably people are gonna like it. Well, it's got a few things. I got a few things to throw in here. I had sent in suggestion for The Meat Eater. I love all the stuff, y'all do I mean, I'll watch it. Got done with all the Netflix stuff, dos bot? I mean back forty I watched it all a lot of the podcasts. But I suggested one time that The Meat Eater make a documentary on the history of hunting. And still ain't on that and on that I you know, now you said it publicly, we kind of have to do it. Well, you know about the Market Hunting House, you know, and that may be some of the other one. But I couldn't never get the Stars in the Sky, having never been able to see that yet it's on Netflix now, Eric, I didn't know that. Yeah, that's gonna help you out because that that has a little bit it has, you know, like a five or ten minute bid on some of the history of hunting in there. Yeah, check that out and then get back to us and see, you know what else you'd like to hear about his history of hunting. That's a long, long history. We're gonna out to narrow it down to a certain time period. Oh yeah, yeah, I know. Suggesting I had that. When you do the Meat Eater Live podcast, pick one guest, not that I'm ever gonna be. You be an honor for anybody to do it. Somebody throw your name in the hat when you go in. If you want to do it, pick one guest to come up on the stage and be part of the podcast. I think it would be so cool out of the audience. Pick an audience mamber to come out of the podcast. Yeah yeah, it would be like a good way to throw a little wild card into it if they wanted to. I mean, if they may not want to do it, what if we just called you up every time you just traveled around with us. It's I could do it. I could do it all right. Well, listen, I like how you turn your questions into suggestions. I do admire. I like that because you finally, Yanny, do you feel like you feel like we can do that? Have some commentary. Yeah, we'll have to to run and by the by the chief, you know, Mr Runella. But I think I think it could be fun. I like this idea because I like, you know, we have Eric Hall on. It works out just fine. He's a great member of the crew. Phil hadn't said anything in five minutes. Heause over there on his phone. We put our first clips from the podcast up on YouTube. Hey man, this is that Yanni. Yeah, I'm not kidding. We so yeah, here you go, Eric, if you want something else to watch, we just put posted some podcast clips the Mediator podcast clips on the YouTube's check out. So yeah, you can see him right where we're saying a lot of hunting shows. I mean, you don't say commercials and stuff. The Mediator come along. I thought the show, well, you know, Eric calls Eric Halls. Segment on the show is brought to you by work Sharp. In fact, going to work Sharp and uh check out how to Sharpen also brought to you by Element. Thank you, Eric, That's very kind of you to give us such high praise. Yes, very good shows. Well, listen, we appreciate your brother and we will take those suggestions to heart as always. And um, we'll probably talk to you next week unless Phil tells when we can see. Here's the thing. Eric hasn't been on for a couple of a few few weeks, a couple of months now, and hasn't this been delightful to see We bring him on? So Air is a nice guy. He gets got stuff to contribute. And you don't want us to have him on every week, then base it out or your real piece of garbage. Good to meet you, Eric, man. I look forward to meet you in person sometime. Yes, sir ut question, Well you got you got all the way off on suggestions alright away? Yeah, we'll let you have it. Go for it, quick, click it up. Okay. The ttion was you could only have one gun, one caliber, one gauge, one action one one gun to shoot squirrels the moose. What would it be Uh if I choose like twelve gauge shotgun? Can I have multiple barrels? Oh, you're on my track. You're on the right track. I'm gonna tell you what mine needs all right. Well, yeah, that's That's my answer is I'm gonna go with with twelve gauge because I believe I could kill just about everything with a twelve gauge, especially if you allowed me to have a rifled barrel for a slug. Is that what you were Eric? Okay, I was taking a polpe action twelve gage shotgun. And this is the reason why you hunt squirrels, grouse birds. I can kill a moose to cut off shale. I guarantee it. Have you ever seen a cutshell? No, no tell on YouTube things are accurate, but you could kill a moose. I mean, I'm just saying this is all hypothetical. Flogs. I mean, slugs are real accurate. Now, I'm just saying, if you come down to it, you could do a cutshill. You can kill a deer all day long. And then you got your burgs and you yeah, that's me. That's I'm picking up with your laying down. I like it. You were kind of curious what y'all would think, and I kinda figured Johnny would do the twist game. I was gonna say, you were talking about me having a show on a podcast. That's a horrible idea. Eric Hall should have a shower show. Yeah, that'd be called Eric Hall here, that's all it would be. It would be calling show. We're working our way there, we're working our way there. I was I was gonna say the same thing. I was gonna say, one of those uh double barrels, that's a twenty two, and uh, that's what I was thinking of. But then I would that's good, that's that's kind of odd ball. But yeah, that's that's a good gun. You can get that thing. Yeah, I probably wouldn't be killing any moose for that. So I think I feel like, Eric, you're in Yanni's I feel like that's the way to go. If you can get a rifle, slug barrel. Yeah, you're you're you can take anything from moose to squirrels and it's no problem. Good. I'm glad. I think you asked that question only because you you had your own answer. Well, I want to I'm part of that's right. I love it. All right, Eric, Well, have a good week. We'll talk to you probably next week, and let's fill nix. Is it it's not true? That's right, Phil, get her all right. Eric, we'll talk to you soon. Man. We'll put a hat in the mail. Too. We'll do that, all right, brothers, talk to you soon, you kid, but that he's my favorite Johnnie he is. Yeah, so you've got But you have other regular callers or no, we have some also nobody is robust. Is there a call know that guy is a gym? Yeah, the other the other we have others that you know, the folks that got engaged. It called in and and different things. Always forget people's names and how to pronounce them. We have a Lias tour Hayden as a regular email and I just like that because I like his name. No, I could tell man, I'd like to, you know, do some hunting, have a beer with and uh yeah. Other regular listeners, I would shout out Don Willemott. He's never been on, but he always emails in and I do enjoy his emails, although I don't know how many we've read, but I do enjoy Don came prepared, which is which is very nice. Eric, Eric he rocks. It'll tell you what I'll do before you've got the answer. The Lord. All right, Well, we're gonna keep you guys updated on our hunting. What's your what's the hunting from now? I know you have your hunt with your dad coming up October. October is about to begin. Yeah, we're going antelope hunting uh in Wyoming with a very special guest. Keep an eye on everybody's instagram here in the first week of October, you guys will see what we're who were hunting prong Horn with Wyoming is gonna be super fun. That's gonna be a meteor episode. Then I got a prong horn hunt with my brother in law. It's gonna be a metetor hunt's episode which I have to hunt a unit that has a whole bunch of private land that's very difficult to get on, let alone get filming permission on. And uh where is it? Tell me later? Tell me later. I have some ideas south central Montana. Um, it's gonna be difficult, difficult to say, at least because the national forest in this unit that was in it last weekend. It's not wrong country will but yeah, and then I have my big, big montanable l hunt where yeah, I drew a special tag and uh, I've got ten days set aside to go find me a big and I gotta I gotta figure out points in Montana because I know you can buy them up to September. Try to get after it. I gotta get after it because I'm gonna need on these points. Well, phil and I will offer our our backs and our legs to help you pack out. If you kill one. Well it's four hours away, that's right, You're more welcome to come and help. Phillis tell me other days like I would love to spend more time with you in a truck for four for an eight hour round trip. I was like, hey, that was that was between us. Sorry, I'm sorry, but anyway, Um, I'm just gonna keep trying to fill tags. I got antalop tag Wyoming, and I got all the tags in Montana that just don't seem to want to I want to go on. I got Idaho. Focus on that. That's what you gotta do, and I'm going to do it. You got a lot of time. Look, you look out there on the Instagram and you see all the success What this show is gonna show? You don't what my Instagram? This is gonna be the failures? Okay, and you got to remember you got to remember, man, that all those successful pictures, that's what is the I don't know what the national elk. Well, we've been throwing is I bet it's ten to twenty. It's somewhere in there. I've heard lately in the last five years that biologists are saying that the success trade is going up because people are getting good and you know, equipment is getting better. But either way, whether you whether it's or nine, people are in the same boat as you are and going home empty handed, tired, worn out. And that's uh, that's one of the Dell conton is I'm your champion, I'm your champion. Were And we're gonna talk about here, like in our in our roundtable about wound loss and wounding animals and archery and all the things that go into that, and we'll talk about all that. We'll kind of cover off on our own personal experiences what it feels like when you're sitting up overnight thinking about is this bull dead? Is this buck dead? Whether or not you know, and even in Phil's situation, when when you introduce somebody to hunting, is that the best way to do it? You know? Or as we've probably talked about it this show and other shows, is it better to take them out on a duck hunt or a squirrel hunt or a rabbit hunt or something that has is a bit more interactive and has a success ratio that's you know that it's a it's multitudes, So it could be it could be that you missed the first rabbit, but another one runs by and you kill it. It's not one single tag, um as it is with an elk or a deer or something like that. So we'll cover all of that. I think that's is certainly important to us, to me um, and it's it's relevant now because people are going out there and trying their best to fill tags and um. You know how much I trust those numbers about success, I don't know, but I certainly know that there is a threshold where when you cross it, you have though that set of skills to be successful. Whatever the pursuit it is you, you should be able to replicate that success, you know, but you have to get to that threshold and cross it. That takes time, dedication, It takes a lot of stuff to get there, a lot of time, a lot of time, and even at even like you said, even like you said that, I think it's probably a poignant moment there even when you cross that threshold and you get to the point where you think you're very capable in this pursuit. Something happens and knocks you back a few and you feel like you have to to retread all the steps you've taken to get to that point. So a lot to do, but a lot to do th HC. At some point then we will have a very interesting conversation with paulish here, one of the top animal rights activists around and um, someone who you're gonna want to hear from, and so we will. We will make a decision whether to to give you the what Phil would probably call the shitty audio or wait for the good audio. But at some point in the next couple of weeks you're gonna get it one way or the other. You're also gonna get our awesome round table on wounding loss, the personal and more data driven aspects of that. Fred I Claire coming up, talking about being a guide, talking about getting the slam with his his stick bow, his traditional bow, all kinds of stuff coming up on th HC in October. Stick with us. We'll see you next week, say by Phil, you know, because I can't go a week without doing run, without rut drinking

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