00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Tyler and and you're listening to the Element podcast. 00:00:12 Speaker 2: What's happening on my woods people? It is the summertime, it's hot, and this is another version of a summertime Element podcast where we trying to figure out what to talk about. We were relying heavily on our listenership in this one case. So we're very thankful that you guys have sent in questions, video questions. This will be a video podcast at some point that will come out and you'll get to see the beautiful faces of some of these fellas here that are asking questions today. By the way, this podcast is brought to you by First Light. We are glad that they have decided to give us some power for this podcast. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: That's right, man, And I'll tell you what. It's been a sweaty betty around here lately. And the Trace pants, it's what we've been wearing. Shirts, all this kind of stuff. Got some zips, this little air out a little bit. It's pretty nice. I mean, there's probably not a lot better to wear in the summer if you're gonna be out scouting around or hunting or messing around. 00:01:15 Speaker 2: I love a good zip. 00:01:16 Speaker 3: That's it, man. 00:01:17 Speaker 1: Zip too. 00:01:17 Speaker 2: I don't use my zipper very much. Do you know the one in the front. Yeah, I'm bad about leaving that one open. 00:01:24 Speaker 1: We have another guy here who tends to leave a zipper open to It's pretty funny, is he? Yeah, Michael all the time. Oh, he is a perpetual zipper violator. I don't know. 00:01:34 Speaker 2: Me and him are more like than we alle y'all are just peas and carrots gumt dude. Yeah, I guess that means I'm fixing a break camera. Well, you know, thankfully Michael. 00:01:46 Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all heard, but Michael had a car wreck that was induced by a cow elk and uh he made it through just fine, unscathed, and is now on a journey on a quest to find another vehicle. And he's supposed to send us a picture, so he's here to did he Yeah, he's got it. 00:02:06 Speaker 2: Why hasn't he sent it to me? I told him specifically to send me a picture. I don't know if he listens to you. I don't know if he likes me. 00:02:12 Speaker 1: I don't think he does. I don't think he does either. It's red, red and neck that going. Don't tell him what it is. We don't need to be a car of any of us. We don't need to be some stage. 00:02:23 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:02:27 Speaker 1: He just likes some classics, you know, he does. They last forever. Yeah, that's right. So we've done some Q and A podcasts before, but this one is just a little different because we had listeners send in questions via video, which is neat. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: I didn't realize how handsome most of our listeners. Man, it makes me feel like bad, I know, I mean, why am I doing this? 00:02:50 Speaker 1: I look pasty and just dumb sitting here and you know, on this couch podcast. 00:02:56 Speaker 2: Doing podcasts video podcasts. But we you know you and send in video questions to the Element while at gmail dot com if you have one, and once we get enough of them, we will I mean, we've we've got an episode here. We'll put together another episode if people want to send those in sparingly, and uh we will add We'll just keep doing these Q and A video questions as as we go about the thing, So you have that opportunity if you have a particular question for us. We've got some good ones today. I'm pretty impressed by not just like you said, the looks of these fellas, but their ability to just be well spoken, and I'm just thankful that they took the time to do this stuff. Man, good job, guys. So with that, we're getting into this thing right now. All right, right, let's do so first up here we go. 00:03:53 Speaker 5: Hey there, Tyler case Element boys. 00:03:56 Speaker 6: So my question for you is if you ever had any plan amazon coming and doing the white Tail thing over in Canada here. I was also wondering how I get you guys to come join me here on a fishing trip in BC, so feel free to shoot me a shot about that. And it's also wondering what your favorite part about doing this whole thing with me either was. It seems like a pretty cool opportunity and I imagine it's hard to juggle that and your own channel there, but doing a real good job. And we're loving all the content you guys are putting. 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Out, and yeah, I look forward to hearing from you. Here's boys. Cool. Yeah, that's it. 00:04:31 Speaker 1: So you can tell Eric is not from Texas, He's from Canada because cheers. You know, nobody says that here, but it's kind of. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: That's a little they say Wisconsin, Well I was saying Texas. Oh yeah, they probably do say in Wisconsin. Well you said he's from Canada. You can tell he's from Canada, So I thought, well he's from Wisconsin to. 00:04:51 Speaker 1: All right. 00:04:54 Speaker 2: So Eric had a couple questions in there. 00:04:56 Speaker 1: All right, Tyler, have you can considered and when are you going to hunt Canadian white? 00:05:03 Speaker 2: I've been considering this for like thirty years me too. I know that, like one of the things that you would see on like real Tree monster Bucks growing up was Saskatchewan hunts very often, and I always wanted to go up there and shoot a big old buck. Now you come to find out things when you get older and you start to actually think maybe I could go do this, and you find out that like you got to have guide or whatever, and these different things that kind of make it difficult. So with that, it's kind of on the back burner a little bit right now. I looked into it in the last year or so a little bit, and it's just like, man, I just don't know if I can really how I'd be able to pull it off, or how that all looks, And it just seems a little bit daunting when I can go to you know, Illinois and also shoot a really big deer as. 00:05:52 Speaker 1: Well, you know, our buddy Clay Newcombe has done some Canadian white tail hunting, and he's pretty well connected. 00:06:00 Speaker 7: Dude. 00:06:00 Speaker 1: He knows a lot of people, partially because of his bear stuff. But that is since straight up for him too, and he kind of doesn't have an end. 00:06:08 Speaker 4: You know. 00:06:08 Speaker 1: It's just like it's it's a difficult thing when you're going international, especially to Canada, because how can we say this? The leadership in Canada sometimes doesn't align with the individual nature of Americans, but. 00:06:24 Speaker 2: I don't think it aligns with a lot of the Canadians. I don't think so either. Anything bad about these guys, you know what I mean. They're not doing a terrible job. It's just pretty bad, it's right. Yeah, So, but Eric seems to be doing pretty good where he's at. Man, I would love to I just don't know. I actually feel less close. 00:06:46 Speaker 1: To that than I've probably been most of my life as far as like a Canadian whitetail thing, because you. 00:06:49 Speaker 2: Gonna fly over a lot of deer to get to there. 00:06:51 Speaker 1: Telling you, I'm probably more into the second question, and that is fishing in b C. 00:07:00 Speaker 2: That's something I'm highly interested in. 00:07:03 Speaker 1: One of the things with that though, is that the Alaskan coastline stretch is way down, so we don't have to go international to hit some of the same waters. I'm assuming now there's always discrepancies on this stuff, but I'm assuming it's pretty similar, you know, all that just northern Pacific coast stuff, that it would be a similar type of fishing. But I'm very interested in fishing that area of the country. I'd like to fish for bull trout up there. 00:07:27 Speaker 2: That's what I'd like to do in those type of deals. Yeah, I'm very interested as well. I've been to British Columbia twice on a sheep hunt Stone sheep hunt as a camera guy and so really you know, got to experience some pretty cool stuff up there, but have not fished there yet. Fished very close to British Columbia in the Seattle area before. 00:07:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, I've fished Seattle as well and didn't catch it things, so you know, it's actually pretty tough. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: Access from the bank is tough in that area. So uh. 00:08:10 Speaker 1: I can see Eric has a boat in his footage, so maybe maybe last thing he asked about was the working with Metior stuff, which has been a huge blessing for sure. 00:08:23 Speaker 2: I'm thankful for a couple of things. 00:08:25 Speaker 1: One big one is that the collaboration with Meteor on Buck Truck forced us to do something we've never done before, and that was pretty cool. And that was like plan out a season and specifically focus on certain hunts because if you followed Tyler and not for a while, we've kind of scattershot a lot through the fall, Like we'll plan out September and October and then maybe like the first five days of November, and then after that it's just just whatever happens happens. And uh, this year, what we were seeing, what would happen. 00:08:59 Speaker 2: Uh that this year it was a lot different than that. 00:09:03 Speaker 1: We still had some flexibility, which I love, truthfully, because I don't I don't really like to have things planned out. 00:09:09 Speaker 2: That We're both we're pretty similar in that, you know, there's there's probably a little difference there, but like overall, you and I are very much like man. We want whenever the opportunity arises, we want to be able to go. 00:09:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think that the Buck Truck stuff specifically forced us to hunt specific areas at specific times and be creative with production. 00:09:35 Speaker 2: And kind of be together. 00:09:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's a huge point, man. 00:09:40 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because in the past couple of years before that, we were able to I tagged out here, you know, I'm going to move six hours to a different state or whatever and hunt for a few more days before I go home. We'll just kind of keep in touch or whatever and help each other out via phone and on X and all that. And we were really not able to do that this year or very much at all. So it was it was challenging. It's actually it actually makes it harder to you know, quote unquote kill more deer, right because like, for instance, in Kansas, I kind of sat there for like four days because I, you know, had a ninety minute hunt, you know what I mean. So I was just like there's literally like November second, third, fourth, and fifth, I'm just sitting there, uh, Which was it was actually really nice to kind of like re get the truck organized and like do some footage, get some footage stuff. I was never the early guy. 00:10:34 Speaker 1: Maybe this year, maybe this always like last day, Larry Man, it's just the way I hunt. I guess, I don't know, maybe maybe you're pacing it seems different. It takes me a long time to figure it out I think. 00:10:46 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't think so. Man. 00:10:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Eric, good questions. Man, you seem like you've got a good thing going on up there, and. 00:10:54 Speaker 2: Be some I appreciate it if I was just kind of expand on what you're saying though. To the immediator thing has been a big blessing. You know, there's a lot of things that you can imagine that are helpful there for us and our families. There are definitely some challenges too, you know, not just the buck truck challenges that we had, but there's challenges with you know. Now it's still you know, the same crew making videos for the Media YouTube channel and videos for the Element YouTube channel. So you know, our workload has probably increased a little bit overall. But it's cool because we have a lot of options with that, you know, and so it is challenging. There's also a lot more moving parts involved when you have to kind of deal with an answer to other people. Outside of what we used to do was just like Casey and I kind of like we'd run stuff by the guys, but overall, like we're gonna make a decision. It's me and k C kind of making a decision, so full transparency. You know, now we have to kind of you know, I would say, like we might have to release some of the best white Tail content ever put together in May instead of when people are actually not thinking about bass fishing and stuff, you know, and so you know, in the fall. So that's kind of been some of the challenges. But yeah, great question. 00:12:11 Speaker 1: One of the nice things for us to you know, we could spend all day time with this stuff, man, So sorry, but just to kind of go on what you're saying there is that within the media realm, we're giving given a lot of freedom. So like because we have you know, Eric and Greg and Michael and we go on this hunts, these hunts, we we aren't like on a day to day having to repow wow and make sure everything works logistically, Like we all know how we do this thing. So for seven days we can go and just we are we literally are still the element, you know. Yeah, and it's really cool, no, it is it. You're one hundred percent right, like really as far as like operations go, man, like we just do what we want pretty much, which is cool. 00:12:56 Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh with that, let's go to our next question. Now about you go with that. Yeah, all right, the Element crew, what's up. My name is Jake Slunder. 00:13:05 Speaker 8: I'm checking in from Indiana, next door nave to Illinois. We've got great deer too. Just don't tell anyone who've got great deer, all right, That's all I ask you. Guys are killing it though the YouTube videos of Buck Truck. You're hog hunting videos. My brother just moved to Greenville up the road from y'all, so he's already got some access to hunt some hogs. I'm itching to go down there and give it a shot, but I turned them on to you guys, told him to check out some of your videos for some of that Texas pub I know it's tough to handle down there, but look, you guys love the Lord most importantly, and that's just so encouraging to me. And every time I tune into one of your videos, man, it's just awesome to see fellow brothers chasing after the same kind of interest, and man, it's it's so good, so awesome. But my question to you guys is, I'm hunting a lot of wetland areas up here, and I'm fortunate enough to do it. It's just difficult at times, whether that's a river or creek separating a couple of parcels. What's some kind of stuff that you guys are looking for in marshes or maybe floodplains that might flood out might not, just depended upon what kind of weather is thrown our way. 00:14:00 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 00:14:01 Speaker 9: I appreciate it. 00:14:02 Speaker 2: That awesome, Jake. I don't know how you figured out how to say Greenville. 00:14:08 Speaker 1: He has to have some local knowledge, has to his brother feeling, well, you know, there is a southern thing where like in Tennessee they do the as Wellsville Nashville shovable, you know, stuff like yeah, that's a tough one. 00:14:24 Speaker 2: I think you just put a biscuit in your mouth and say it. Yeah, so you did a good job on that, man. 00:14:31 Speaker 1: I bet you His brother was like, hey, man, I just so you know they say it, we were down here. 00:14:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, but Indiana Greenville, Yeah, for sure, that'd be Greenville. 00:14:42 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, Indiana is like pretty good melting pots. Do you think do you think he's got like is there this persona. 00:14:52 Speaker 2: Or is that just knows? Man? 00:14:55 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:14:57 Speaker 2: So was there two questions? 00:14:59 Speaker 1: He pretty much I just saw the question about hunting wetland areas in the you know, some of those may flood annually and some things to look for in those situations. 00:15:11 Speaker 2: We deal with that stuff. We don't deal with a ton of marsh stuff down in here or down here in Texas in the Greenville area, but we we deal with that when we travel out of state. Some We dealt with it in Illinois last year. If you saw the Illinois version of the buck truck, that was very much a swampy situation. 00:15:31 Speaker 7: Yeah. 00:15:32 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know if I understood what a marsh was until we go out of state. You know, around here a marsh is like it's like a marsh area. You know, it's like gradual lake. Yeah, exactly, it's kind of marshy over there. But you know, you go to some of these places, especially the flatter part of the country, you'll have you know, acres and acres and acres of this stuff. It's just monotonous, just brushy, wet stuff. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: I think when I think about marsh hunting, one of the first things that I look at as I go I go into Onyx, and I am looking at these marsh areas. If you so the way to The way I assume is that a buck is going to bed in some thick like cattail habitat a lot of times in those marshes that uh, I think a lot of times enables the buck to escape quickly and move quickly. So it can't be like what you what you have to find on the on the map, I think is you have to find trails because they they're not if there's not trails in the in like in those cattail marshes. If you're looking at cattails on the map and there's not trails in it, there's probably not deer using it. So you got to figure out like there's gonna be spots that like stay wet and the deer are probably not going to bed there, and then there's gonna be like sometimes a small margin where it's dry. And then there's like maybe the lack of cat tails, and it's a it's a tall grass, but it's not as tall as cat tails. It's easier to maneuver, and there'll be like a straight up on that transition, there will be a trail that goes down the edge of that thing. And so the idea is to be able to shoot deer moving on those trails in the rut. But also if you're hunting like a pre rut, you know, knowing that those trails, like say, these trails kind of come for those who are watching on video, They come along the edge of this thing and then there's this one little dip in it's kind of like a little cove in the reeds or whatever that's you can expect that deer might just pop right in there and bed just inside of that in the marsh in the cat tails and be so like with Hunter last year. Hunter shot that buck last year in South Dakota that came out of a marsh. He was not bedded far. I don't think they acted like he wasn't They thought they heard him get out of his bed and come right out of the marsh and stand there right like you just got out of his bed and eventually got a shot. It's a cool video if you haven't seen it. 00:17:56 Speaker 1: So I think that on the flooding area stuff is something I have some insight to and you do as well. But we deal with this stuff a lot where we live, not as much marsh, but like things that annually flood to where you don't have as much undergrowth and it's kind of it's not open big woods, it's kind of you know, smaller trees and stuff, but there's just not a lot of you know, year to year build up of brush underneath there. And I think I want to go back to trails again on that. This reminds me of a place that we hunt here in Texas that it'll flood in the in the winter at some point in time, but it doesn't stay flooded for a super long time. And then if that does happen, man, you can just start to see the trails just come alive, or however you want to say, they just show up because all of a sudden, those deer are walking around. 00:18:45 Speaker 2: And wet stuff. 00:18:46 Speaker 1: And the point I wanted to make too, you can tell a point where they're walking like recently, you know, you're not looking at trails that have been made year over year. And I don't know if y'all noticed this, but if I go to a place and I'm like hunting a trail that you can tell is like a perennial trail, oftentimes dear filter through all around that trail. They may or may not actually even be on the trail that you're hunting and you might be off or they might come to the base of your tree, and that causes problems. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: YadA, YadA. What else could make a trail in a wetland beavers? That's right. Yeah, so that can be confusing. And like what Case's saying is you can see in mud I was doing this last night. Legit on the map last night, and you know where I was looking. I was looking at stuff that had recently flooded. And you can see, like in certain mud muddy areas where like you said, it had been flooded along enough that there wasn't vegetation there. You can see the new trails like that are fresh. You can see the hoof prints on this stuff, dude. And so like you'll see like sometimes you'll see like four or five trails, right or like tracks, I guess you would say, but like one of them is pronounced, and that's the one you probably want to be on. Who knows, you know, you want to make sure you're looking at the right time of year and that kind of thing. But yeah, is a great point. 00:20:04 Speaker 1: Man, And really this is one of those times where the most recent information is pretty pertinent as well. Like if you're looking at a place that's an aerial snapshot on X or whatever you're using to determine where the trails are, and it's it's a floodplaine, Well, every new flood just recreates that thing, So you probably need to go in there and see what the trails look like at that moment. You know, So some in person in season scouting is pretty hard to beat in. 00:20:30 Speaker 2: This situation, and at that point you can confirm whether it is a beaver trail or not. Yeah, but the thing that we were talking about earlier just a second ago, with the mud and actually seeing tracks, that's a good way to also confirm whether a trail is a beaver trail going through a marsh or you know, an actual You know. 00:20:45 Speaker 1: You can tell too if you if you do enough map scouting and compare this stuff to deer trails in the field, right, Like, that's a really important portion of map scouting. I want to emphasize that is checking that stuff infield. But you can start to recognize what's a cow trail, what's a deer trail, what's a beaver trail, all these things, and I mean even not checking it, but you can look in like central Minnesota and it's obvious what is a beaver trail even though it's a trail, and you're like, oh, manly those trails like if it's not like weaving around, or if it's like really broken looking or something like, that's that is not deer doing that. Deer have a specific way that they do stuff, and they're really really lazy about it. Where cows tend to choose a little bit more of a straight line, beavers are more sporadic, because what's a beaver doing on a trail. It's he has no destination in mind, He's eating stuff. Yeah, he's like it's everywhere. So so deer are going to just be the more well, of course the lighter trails, but also the ones that kind of meander and go through the just least resistance. 00:21:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So I guess in Marshan wetland stuff, you know, we hunt a lot of floodland stuff, especially locally that is like like it's scott trees, so you can't see the trails, but in marshes you definitely trails are key man like because that is where they're going to be, and so then you can start to put together other, you know, parts of the whole, the whole thing, you know. And I was another thing. You know, you want to make sure in those marshy areas that you've got your access nailed because you could end up running into some deeper water than you wanted to or just getting you know, straight up blocked out by a just huge marsh of cattails or whatever. So definitely keep that in mind. And then you know, on that lowland stuff that floods, you know, periodically, another thing to think about is like, what what's causing that to flood? And well it's probably a creek or river system. So just straight up in the rut just being where you can you know, catch deer going in and out or up and down those river systems and finding the pinches along that river system that help you to get a shot with a bow, you know what I mean. So kind of some out there A great question. Man, I like a shirt too cool shirt? Anything else? 00:23:05 Speaker 1: I'm good. 00:23:06 Speaker 2: Let's go on next one. 00:23:07 Speaker 3: Hey guys, it's Keith Layton here in Michigan. Hey, when I watched a buck truck and I see how mobile you guys are. Using a tree saddle, you're able to kind of find a piece of land jump out, set up and go hunt for someone that would be new to the tree saddle game. What advice could you give me? And what gear should I look to put in my pack that first time around as I learned how to hunt out. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: Of a tree saddle? 00:23:33 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. 00:23:34 Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm thankful I wrote some notes about this because I was just looking at that. Johnny pointed, I know he's asking us. 00:23:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, man, Okay, So he is thinking about getting into mobile hunting, specifically saddle hunting, and some some gear he might not normally carry that he would want to carry as a saddle hunter, and just other thoughts. 00:24:00 Speaker 2: Right, I guessing he's a tree stand hunter. I'm guessing so, or like a climber or something like that, something like that. So yeah, I mean it is confusing. Sounds are confusing if you haven't ever looked into him, Like what do you remember before? Yeah? 00:24:15 Speaker 1: So, like we know Chad at Cruiser saddles really good, right, So we're friends. He showed us how to do stuff and and but before we like had those kind of pow wows with him, I was like, what is all this stuff? What is it? 00:24:29 Speaker 2: What's a tether? What's a bridge. 00:24:31 Speaker 1: You know, it seems really confusing, but essentially, like you're saying, you need to understand the concept a little bit more than you do, like what the names of the different stuff is. And it's not that hard, right, yeah, like once you once you get into it. Yeah, and you can make it complicated if you want to. And some guys like to do that because some guys are like, you know, gear nuts about that kind of stuff, and that's fine, uh, you know, Tyler and I's application, which is what you were asking about, is a lot more practical. You know. 00:24:56 Speaker 2: We just figure out a. 00:24:58 Speaker 1: Tree that we want to get in, and we figure out of way to strap ourselves to that tree and hook that to our saddle and stand on a platform. So I guess one of the things to keep in mind is if you want to be a saddle hunter, you need more than just to saddle. Most often, some guys do a thing where like they do their sticks, which is like how you climb the tree. Is this you know sticks that you put on the tree. If you're a climber guy, then you don't use those yet, so that might be a thing you have to add. And some guys stand on the top of their last stick and hunt. It's not very comfortable. We use a platform that you stand on, it's like a little small tree stand, and then you sit in your saddle. And really, I guess one of the big things with a saddle is that instead of facing away from the tree, you're usually facing at the tree. So it changes the way you shoot quite a bit. You are still going to be strong on your off hand right, so out of a saddle it matters. Matters even more though, because if you're a right handed shooter, you're holding the bow in the left hand. Everything on your left is going to be where you want to set up, like your most anticipated direction. Deer going to be right. Things are the hardest off your right shoulder behind you. If you look at the buck truck Illinois stuff, you could see a spot where the deer was just in the worst place that a deer could be for me, right and so, but this saddle gives you the flexibility to be able to rotate and get all those shots. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: So that's something to consider. 00:26:33 Speaker 1: Is is just you're going to if you're an archery hunter, it's going to change up kind of your approach to where you're going to put the platform excuse me, compared to the tree stand. Uh, you know, it's just you might hang in on a different side of the tree even than you actually would. 00:26:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the things that I would consider having or bringing with you or thinking about the tree. 00:26:58 Speaker 4: Uh. 00:26:58 Speaker 2: One, I put my cel phone in my left back pocket most of the time. And if you do that with a saddle on, you cannot get that thing out of the pocket. Hard. But it is so hard, So like make sure that that's sitting. You know. I usually have like cargo pants of some sort. Whether they've got cargos on the side of the front depends on, you know, whether made or whatever. I guess, but putting stuff in those pockets is what I would definitely consider doing. So, like, for instance, your phone I usually have. I have like either my wind checker I will put in a pocket a lot of times. I will have Usually I carry two ropes. One is what Casey and I call a public land hangar. We made these things a long time ago that are like plastic care beaner with like ten foot of a pair of cord. Use that, Oh yeah, let's use it every time. That's cool. And so I basically just tie that a tie slip knot and tie that around the tree and hang my pack on that, and then I have a pull rope as well, and those going in my pockets, my cargo pockets, so I can get to them as I climb up. Right. 00:28:08 Speaker 1: While we're on that note, you keep going, I'm just gonna insert because I asked you that I don't do that anymore because I've got to where I like to use. I have that first white tail backpack and it has a strap built in that you can put around the tree and buckle in. And I like that thing a lot. I use a lot, and then I don't have to do the deal you're talking about. But that has more flexibility because you can change the size up more and it hang other stuff besides just a pack on it. 00:28:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it works, you know, It's what I just am used to. So I have that, and then you know, really, to me, I'm not like it doesn't. The saddle stuff just doesn't. The platform doesn't bother me. But I know some guys like you like a stiffer sold boot for that for the platform, because you're kind of standing and slash leaning the whole evening. But I usually am pretty flat on my platform, and I would just I would say probably have more if I was to think about it. More of a flexible ankle in the boot would be good so that you can just you're just not like having to just go on a ninety the whole day. 00:29:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not fun. So which the rubber boots work pretty good for that, which is not a stiff soul boot at all. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So you know, depending on where you're hunting, if you're hunting public land or whatever, then you're gonna want some sort of hanger for your bow, and you know that's gonna be we I use rubber wire stuff a lot to hang stuff on. I also have for my liman's belt. So the two things you use to attach yourself to the tree are either the limon's belt or the tether. Once you get kind of set up as you're going up. Usually I use the limon's belt, and I've got a rubber little like foot long rubber wire piece that I hang off of one of the molly straps in my saddle. And so when I get done with that, there's no stuff sacked to try to work it into or anything. It's easy for me just to take that rope and fold it into like you know, little foot long pieces and then wrap the rubber wire around it and it stays tight and it doesn't make noise hardly ever. I mean, I never have really any issues with it, and it's a really quick way to just get rid of the rope and go tether into the tree and be good. You can get those mechanical prusick knots that will help you just be quicker to make adjustments when you're using your tether or your linman's belt. I actually put it on my lion's belt and don't have one on my tether just because I feel like it attaches to the care beinger. It's a little loud in my opinion, so I don't like, I don't really love it on my tether, But I'm thinking about going back to it and maybe just using some tape and stuff to kind of quieten it down, because really there are situations. The best thing about a saddle in my opinion, is there like multi axis upon which you can like move and get shots in holes in the woods. Right, And so with that, you you're gonna you're gonna have more ability to get those shots if you can pull the teather in and out really quickly, and adjust how long it is to to either lean back or you know, even like if you're gonna if you're gonna shoot like you're six, A lot of times you can turn around on your platform and go safety belt, you know, or seat belt over the shoulder, and you you would need to adjust and tighten that potentially. So with that, I'm thinking about going back to it and just trying to quiet down that system. But I didn't use it last year. It just doesn't attack, It doesn't adjust very quickly if you don't have the mechanical persic on there. So those are those are some things to think about. Also, another great thing about the saddle is that we can go in and walk for several miles and not feel guilty about not using our tree hanging you know, set up, and we can hunt from the ground and need I hunted this week this past week when were hunting access I hundred from the ground, no platform, but sitting with a saddle. So I hung in a tree ground level and just leaned back from that tree because we didn't have seats with us or chairs with us, so and it worked. I mean, we had deer at twenty five yards. I didn't see us, you know, it's pretty embrasing. 00:32:20 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:32:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:32:20 Speaker 1: So one of the things to consider when you, if you do start saddle hunting, is that in the tree you kind of want to do a little swinging and swinging every once in a while, So you just kind of have to keep that mind, you know, just be cognizant of that being an issue. But otherwise, I mean, there's not a lot of drawback to a saddle. I mean, I think the ones we use are super comfortable. It's still not a like huge, big old tree stand that you can get real comfortable in. 00:32:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. 00:32:48 Speaker 1: And I'm a leaner too, so there's there's like there's like sitters and leaners and saddles. I think the sitter guys get a little bit more comfortable, But at the same time, I feel better about shooting in the leaning stance, So that's what I usually stick with, and it's just easier to set up. But the fact that you can just get in any tree just makes it such a huge Yeah fit me. 00:33:10 Speaker 2: It's nice, man, Those little platforms fit. 00:33:12 Speaker 1: You can be really uncomfortable, but you can be hut in the right steps off. 00:33:15 Speaker 4: I was in. 00:33:16 Speaker 2: I mean, if you watch South Dakota buck Truck, I was super uncomfortable. I was holding myself kind of sideways. That's the one thing about it is like, uh, you can get into a tree, but you your rope might want to pull you because the tree is leaning one direction and you wouldn't be able to put a tree stand there. But so you can get in that tree, but you're going to be uncomfortable, and so I was. But I was in the right tree and I had a deer at ten yards. 00:33:40 Speaker 1: Not often that the comfortable guys the one who's killing the deer time to time. But you know, like there's a little discomfort involved with the getting after cold weather whatever. It could be a bunch of different things. Right, So good question. When we move on to the next one. 00:33:55 Speaker 2: Sure, right here we go. 00:33:57 Speaker 4: What's Up Element Podcast? Micah Thompson here from Belton, Texas. My question is going to be a would you rather scenario? So the question is would you rather kill a buck on every trip you get to go on out of state and then one in Texas either public or private. But it can only be between one hundred and fifteen and one hundred and thirty inches or would you rather kill one buck a year but it's a booner. Try to answer this question from the mindset of you don't know what you get to kill every year, so going into the season, you don't get to know, Oh sweet, I get to kill a buck on every trip, or oh sweet, I get to kill a booner this year? 00:34:37 Speaker 1: What state is it going to be in? 00:34:39 Speaker 2: All right, let me know, cool shirt bro, Michaeh. This is a tough question. 00:34:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like Mike's been around for a while, he's been an elm Fall for a long time, kind of friends, and then he's going to ask us some mean question like this that I know my answer, but does it change every year or is it? 00:35:00 Speaker 4: So? 00:35:00 Speaker 2: I think it's like imperpetuity. That's the problem. 00:35:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is the problem. Yeah for sure. I mean I'm thinking I'm with you. Go ahead, what's your answer. Let's just say, hey, if it's in perpetuity, it might change my hands. 00:35:12 Speaker 2: I know. 00:35:12 Speaker 1: But here's the here's the problem, Okay, is that like, yeah, I like to shoot big bucks because I like big ol' antlers, but one deer doesn't feed my family. 00:35:23 Speaker 2: So then there's like this whole like well and now that you're our meat eaters team, you can't say anything aners oh man, all right, answer to manipulate his question a little bit. We're gonna do uh in perpetuity, and I'm gonna do just for this year. Okay, okay, I'm gonna say, if it was just this year, give me the boner. 00:35:51 Speaker 1: I want to shoot a boner card the here. I think it would be cool, Tyler. 00:36:01 Speaker 2: I'm a meat hunter, so I would say i'd probably be if it was just this year. I would be shooting uh one fifteen thirties in every state, would you every trip? 00:36:12 Speaker 1: That's good man, have fun? 00:36:15 Speaker 2: What would you do? If it's in perfect theory, I would shoot a bunch of deer. I would shoot that. 00:36:21 Speaker 1: Every year. 00:36:21 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:36:22 Speaker 1: Really, we're for sure, dude. 00:36:24 Speaker 2: I was surprised we were the opposite on that him. 00:36:27 Speaker 1: Dude, I want to shoot like six hundred deer in my lifetime, so it's hard to do that with just one booner a year. Yeah that's a. 00:36:35 Speaker 2: Lot, dude. That's ten a year for sixty years. 00:36:38 Speaker 1: That'd be cool. 00:36:39 Speaker 2: Behind you are, that's right, dude, get your gun out, boy. 00:36:43 Speaker 1: I guarantee you that make a difference. 00:36:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, either way. That's a tough question. 00:36:47 Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, so yeah, I don't I mean, thankfully, honestly, I don't have to face that. Yeah, what I mean, it is true, we don't know what we're going to get shoot, uh, whenever we at, I don't know, hu. You know, like you know, there's some places or states that have a different potential for sure, and there's some times of like, dude, I just want to kill it hear there, because it'd be cool. But you know, it's not really the thing that most people wrestle with, but it's a fun thing to think and talk about. In June, I guarantee you that, like I so appreciate it. Yeah, here we go. 00:37:43 Speaker 10: Hey guys, Nick here from Austin, Texas. As a fellow user of multary mobile cameras, I'm really interested to know about what goes into your decision making process when picking a spot and then also maybe the features that you use that are key difference makers for you when you're out there in the woods setting up your game cameras. Thanks so much for everything you do, and God bless. 00:38:00 Speaker 1: Kil All right, he's actually got two questions. We'll hear from him again here in a little bit I just figured out after listening to this question, I figured out what he means by features. He means actual on camera features. Okay, yeah, not terrain features, terrain features and stuff. 00:38:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when I when I think about picking a spot, I'm thinking about a place that deer are going to come through in front of my camera within sixty foot or so as much as possible. So it's similar. You know, a trail camera would set up to be good in a in a bow hunting spot, you know what I mean, Like where you're gonna bow hunt might be a good place to have trail camera. 00:38:37 Speaker 8: Ye. 00:38:38 Speaker 2: So, like any sort of pinch will use secondary creek crossing. Some you might use just like like brushy areas you know that have just vines, as Mark Kenyon calls them, brambles that might be you know, choking your deer trail down or whatever your trails into kind of one trail fence crossing would be a great place to put one. A feeder who you get lots of deer there the back corner of an aag field, you know, furthest from the road or whatever, you know, those kind of areas, or like even like the inside corner of anag field that comes up close to the creek or something. You know, those are those are places to put the pensyl the time of year or two, you know, rut get a little more traveling, uh pre rut you might want to be. You're gonna want to be closer to a buck's bed probably or you know, food source at least to get them going. But yeah, I mean, and then all these scenarios kind of help determine the settings we would use, right, Yeah. 00:39:40 Speaker 1: And I think to another point on that is, I'm gonna this might be a little broad, but I'm gonna pick a spot to put a camera on a property that I know I'm gonna get to hunt some and that there's a deer I want. I think there's a deer I want to hunt there. 00:39:55 Speaker 2: You know, Like. 00:39:58 Speaker 1: These seal cameras nowadays aren't as expensive as they used to be, but it's not just a cheap thing that you can just fling everywhere. Right, So it's good to pick a good spot that's gonna actually you know, do you some good to have a camera in there, and then you know, to go into the features thing. One thing with cell cameras that I don't think people realize is that the settings on that camera are just like a regular show camera, except and I think this is for all brands, not just Multi Mobile, but I think uh, as that camera is trying to upload that picture, that camera then becomes neutral until it gets the picture uploaded. So you keep that in mind whenever you're setting up your camera as far as the resolution you're gonna use, and compare that to the amount of service you have there, or if you're gonna do video versus you know, picture or burst. You know, if you do a burst, and you do you want to you have the twenty four megapixel setting on there, and you do a three picture burst, that's gonna take a lot more band with the upload than just a single And and in fact, I've done this in a place where it's sketchy your service and what are those new cameras, the edge cameras, they're really they're like they just pick up any service, right, So it doesn't have to be Verizon eighteen t specific, but you still are hanging those in really sketchy places and you know, large service area. 00:41:18 Speaker 2: In fact, locally where we pig hunt, I do not have cell phone service. That's what I said on the video yep. 00:41:24 Speaker 1: But the camera works, which is awesome, except that's still probably a pretty high workload because the top uploads be down there's real low So I think we have those all set for the low megapixel setting so that those pictures will get out, because you know, you might have it on a single trigger, but a hog walks in front of it, and if you have it on like video, say for instance, something super heavy, it's gonna take that thing who knows how long, and you're gonna miss a ton of information of stuff that walked by. Because I don't know if y'all know this, but if you ever sit near your trail camera on a hunt, you realize how much goes on outside of what is captured on the camera. You know, anytime you get a picture of a deer, you have to assume that you know an exponential amount more things happened while that deer was in there and he and for instance, I go back to Buck Truck in Oklahoma, I had that deer on camera one time while we were in there, but I know the area and I know how much that deer was using that thing, and the fact that he was in there. Once I was like, oh, he's around, and then go in there and hang and shoot him like the first time daylight. 00:42:32 Speaker 2: Baby, that's it, man, you know, So I guess what you're saying is, you know, especially during the rut, you know, be careful about the stuff. The one the one reason. There's a couple of reasons you'd want a high quality picture, but one I can see a scenario where a guy is trying is really trying to understand how old a deer is, Like if you're hunting a private piece and you're trying to shoot five year old deer or whatever. There also might be kind of this whole thing where it's like, man, which one these ten points do I want to shoot this year? Like which one's gonna be a little bigger, which one's got extra junk or whatever. So you may not want to use lower settings in that scenario, so I understand it. But if you're the guy that's like going to put some of this stuff out on public land or whatever, and you're like trying to shoot, you know, the first three year old nice buck that comes through, put them suckers low resolution and let them, you know, because you don't want a doe to come through and set that thing off and to buck right on its heels to be you know, missed, because you want a twenty four magpixel. 00:43:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, but enough to give you a counterpoint there on public ground, you don't always have as a specific a spot to hang the camera. Sometimes you're hanging the camera point at this direction and hoping you pick up some deer. So if you you know, say you're in an area where dude just filter through, it's not a fence gap or it's not a really good pinch, and you're on public ground, you might want the high resolution as long as you have plenty of good service, because you might get a picture of a deer it's at seventy feet and you know, if it's on or make a pixel, you're gonna have a hard time really telling them what that thing is, especially not you know, I. 00:44:03 Speaker 2: Would say those are spots that I put cameras to learn if a spot is any good. Outside of that, if I know the spot could be good, I'm not I'm not putting a camera like that, you know what I mean? Like I if I'm gonna just be like all, I'm gonna see which trail they're on, then I'm new to this spot. If I if I've figured if I've put a camera in there and done that, then my next movie is to figure out where, you know, which trail is the best. I'm gonna move it to that trail, and I'm gonna try to really crack down on This is the pinch. This is where I'm gonna kill this deer. Now, I just need to know when he's coming through, you know. And so in that scenario, yes, you'd want to hire megapixel, but you also wouldn't maybe be using MRI or most recent information as like I got to hop in there and go tomorrow, you know. 00:44:50 Speaker 1: You know, this actually brings up a really good point back to kind of the first part of his question, But how do you determine where to put a camera? Would sell cams? One of the ways I turn to put it selcam there is if it's a place I don't get to visit very often, it's really hard to get to. And that's kind of what you're bringing up there, is like it's one of the reasons it takes us forever to hang a trail camera sometimes because we are like, we're not gonna be back here for three months. 00:45:15 Speaker 2: Yep, it's perfect, Yes. 00:45:17 Speaker 1: It's right. 00:45:18 Speaker 2: It has got to be on the money where you hang it. Can't miss high, can't miss low, can't miss left, right, and it's right. You know, it's got to be the right settings. It's got to be you know, is it gonna flood here? Because if there's a creek system nearby, we might hang this thing six foot up or higher even you know, even on private stuff. 00:45:34 Speaker 7: You know. 00:45:35 Speaker 2: So some things to think about for questions. Man, Yeah, great question. All right, Hey. 00:45:39 Speaker 5: Guys, my name is TJM in southwestern Mexico. My question is about starting to scout for pre ret white tail in late season. I've got an archery acou'st tag in January. I found them in the past with a little bit of success, but it's hard earned and shooing far between. I love that you guys like to get out on the ground and mix it up. That's been what we've done in the past. I'm looking at trying to implement more typical traditional white tail strategy on coos deer this year, trying to set up cameras and scrape lines, sitting on ridges, running more cameras, tree stands, et cetera. There's no particular pool of food source in this area. My question for you is, when I'm looking at pre rut scrape lines, which ones do I focus on? Is there anything you can tell me that make one better than the next? Thanks a lot. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: So this dude probably knows more about these deer, these coups whitetail than we do. So we're going to just talk here, TJ. And if we say something stupid, we're sorry. 00:46:48 Speaker 1: Okay, we're talking about white tail in general. You probably know when the deers don't do something normal like that. Yeah, I've got some ideas place do you go away? 00:46:57 Speaker 2: For sure? 00:46:57 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:46:58 Speaker 2: And you probably, like I said, no more about this than us. But I think you know, I would assume that it could be pretty dry in January, and even though it's not hot, deer need to drink some water here and there. So any water, you know, sources that you could find out there in that dry desert country would probably be a good idea. And then you know, outside of that, like one thing that it's going to be, it's going to be a limited resource as well out there is what are they eating I would assume in January? 00:47:33 Speaker 4: You know what I mean? 00:47:33 Speaker 2: What are those deer eating in January? You said, there's no ag really in the area, and I know I understand that, and I know why because I've been to that area. So I think one thing that gets lost in modern deer culture. We've talked about this recently is learning wild food sources for these deer and learning what they look like, how to locate and to acknowledge them, and then how to treat them as in what time of the year they being fed on and preferred and how do you kill do youer moving to those when there may be quite a bit of it on the landscape. So I know with these with these mountain white tails, whether they're coups or you know, Dakota whitetail or whatever, they tend to congregate in areas that are like historically white tail areas. Right, It's not like it's weird, but you'll see white tails in a group here that's in like a you know, three mile radius, and then they won't be the next fifteen, and then there'll be another group over there, and you know, and sometimes they're they're you know, as Brendan Roads would say, spattered across the landscape, but they tend to be in these groups and they hang out in these areas. And I don't know if you have figured this out, but there's a reason, and we may not be able to see it or notice or recognize it, but there's a reason that they liked that spot. I think it has to do with a lot of things. The shelter, the food, the elevation, the water, and all those things probably play into each other in some form or fashion as well. So if you can figure out what that is and why they like that area so much, then then understanding maybe time of day they would go to the water source, understanding that they're gonna be eating at night more than any other time probably, So if you can figure out, oh, well, this is a particular type of grass or forb that for some reason is pretty much evergreen, but it's not a pine or something like that, Like they're not gonna eat pine, really, you know what I mean. So you find some sort of evergreen forb that's growing on the landscape, they they they're eating this, which you might could you know, you could do some spoting through the spot and scope and figure out what are these deer eating, Like can I zoom in on that and figure out what that plant is or go over there later after they're gone. Figure that out. Find where grows. You know, it might grow around creek systems that have like you know, spring pools throughout or whatever, and it grows around those. So it may not even be that they're drinking the water from those spring systems, but the spring system is bringing the forbe into fruition and giving them something to eat. So those are kind of my thoughts. You talked about ridges and stuff there too, a little bit, Casey, you got thoughts on that. I think he mentioned scrapes specifically. I got some thoughts about scrapes, Okay, because this is January, probably the rut, yeah, I think that's what we said. 00:50:27 Speaker 1: You know, he said the late season pre rut, which is kind of strange for us, you know, which is kind of the scrape thing. That's what we would think of. Late October probably is kind of what he's talking about for what they have going on out there. So finding the right scrape is hard to do. I've hunted some real good scrapes and not seen deer. You know, it's pretty tough. I think that as you move closer to the rut, your opportunity to see a good deer out of scrape is higher, and there's a lot of other factors in there. But I think if you want to talk about finding the right scrape, there is a tactic to this. You mentioned scrape lines, and we are all talking about the same thing when we look at this. But I don't really believe in a true scrape line. I don't think a deer sets out and says I'm going to create a scrape every hundred yards for six hundred yards or whatever it is. You know, I think that the reason we see scrapes and lines is just a result of how deer travel a landscape. And what you're looking for is, you know, these deer are going to make these scrapes along trails because they're communication devices, right, They're not making scrapes. Usually everyone's a while deer make a scrape just because he's like all ramped up, right, But essentially a scrape is a place that a deer's like, oh, I want to leave my scent here and get other deer to leave their scent here too, so we can communicate and see he was in the area. Which it's probably way more complex and also at the same time, way more ignorant than that because they're animals. And just think way different than we do. But what you're going to look for is a place where deer are traveling, and then they travel from a different direction to get there, and they travel from another direction to get there and another direction to get there. And that can either be like what Tyler is saying, a place where animals congregate because resources, or it could just be a place where they all these things intersect. We go back to some of the stuff we've hunted the Midwest. You can even do this on an aerial. You can figure out, oh, deer traversed the side of this hill a lot, and then they also walk this valley right here a lot, and those two things come together there there's probably gonna be a scrape down there in that bottom. Sure enough, you go find a Lincoln branch in the summer. So you can do that same thing potentially with coups deer. If you know the way they travel through a country and you can find a spot where all these things come together, then that's going to be a meeting area in a hub. And if you can find a scrape there, that scrape, just by pure ratio is going to have more deer visit it because more deer are coming into that general area, right, and then that all builds on itself because it's the most popular scrape. And then by the time the end of the rug gets here, that things the size of, you know, a couch, And whereas those ones that just popped up that weren't in very good places, they kind of die out. We ran in this last year in Illinois and butt truck. We were hunting a bunch of scrapes, and I didn't see I never saw a deer at a scrape. I think y'all might have one time, right, there was a round scrapes at least of the marsh. I don't know if he's to. 00:53:33 Speaker 2: See him hit au scrape, but I saw him do a little licking on a branch one time. And it was time. 00:53:37 Speaker 1: It was tough because we thought we were hitting that farm at the right time of year, and we pretty much have kind of figured out that everything was a week or two late last year, so you know, if we're there the next week it had been rocking and rolled and we'd had been able to kill deer over scrapes. 00:53:52 Speaker 2: But I think that's another good point there too. 00:53:54 Speaker 1: Don't hunt scrape too earlier at the wrong time, you know, like if it's not rocking and rolling yet, might be a good time to hang a camera, you know, on that scrape and figure out when deer starts to daylight on them, because that's a big deal. 00:54:08 Speaker 2: You know, if they're only using them at dark, you're just gonna bump deer going in and out of there. Can you use cameras in New Mexico? I think so Arizona's a place you can't, but I don't know for sure. Yeah, I mean just multiple like trails or variables that intersect at a place fence lines. Uh, you know, if there's a trail going up and down a ridge system and then there's also a saddle small saddle on that system, that's where two trails are gonna intersect. Right, If you can find a licking branch there, that's a good place to be man. But yeah, case is right, you need to find the best the best one, and then on top of that or outside of that, we are by no means Coop's deer hunter. So uh, if we didn't clarify good enough, just maybe reach back out, send another question in. We'll try to rehit this question again and maybe we can help you out a little bit more. I'm sorry if we and do a great job, but that's kind of what we were, that's how we would do it. On Dakota white tails. 00:55:04 Speaker 1: I'd be interested to see people experiment with some more white tail like eastern white tail type technic, some cooze, more rattling, more grunting, hunt them aggressively, because I know the Western style of hunting, specifically rifle hunting, is to sit back, watch and try to pick a shot, you know, and I think that there's potential at least I'm not sure if it work or not, but to go in there and get aggressive, cover ground, try to call those things in, Yeah, it could be fun at least. 00:55:30 Speaker 2: Let us know how it goes. Man all right, Next question, Hey. 00:55:34 Speaker 7: Y'all, this is Walker from North Texas. 00:55:37 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:55:38 Speaker 7: My question is, so we've been out here hunting this property for a little bit and we see hogs on the trail cams just about every night. But then when we get out here trying to get on them, either from the blind or on a spot in stalk, we can't seem to find them. What do y'all recommend or what are y'all's you know, tips for getting on hogs whenever you can see him on the cams. 00:56:02 Speaker 2: So was it last It was two nights ago that I went hoging. And the this is something you have to think about when you've got a trail camera on a feeder, is that hog looks like he's coming in from a certain direction and he is likely checking the wind on that feeder or those hogs, right, but especially you know, like some of the older pigs, they're going to try to get the wind before they actually come in. So if you know a hog looks like it's coming from the west, then it's probably because you've got a southeast wind. And you're in North Texas, you're gonna have a lot of southeast especially this time of year. So if he looks like he's coming in from the west, it's probably because you've got a southeast and he's just trying to get the wind before he comes into that feeder. But the thing is, he is betting where he wants to bed. It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter which way he looks like he's coming in from. He's going to bed where he once to bed, and it may not be a straight line into the feeder. So just understand that right, So what I would assume is happening is you guys are getting smelled on the way in. That's my assumption. You recently have kind of dealt with this where we didn't know we didn't know where that boar was betting. We had a big boar coming in down there at Brian's and yeah, like every time you went, he wouldn't show up, right, and it was because we just couldn't figure out where he was betting. But if we were spooking him on the way in some place, you have to pretty much access from one cardinal direction. So it's just almost impossible to get the pig killed there. But that's just what you have to do. 00:57:39 Speaker 1: So after you've been messing around there for a couple of months, when everything works out, except the pig doesn't show and that's just not fun, right, And so I think the access is a huge thing. Yeah, I think it's a big point. 00:57:51 Speaker 2: Also, I don't know what you guys are doing, but I know guys in Texas like their side by sides and their ATVs. Those pigs are smart animals. They don't see well, they hear decent, they smell really well. They're not idiots. By any means, you can walk right to them and people think, oh, these are dumb, but they just don't see that well. But that doesn't mean that they wouldn't smelled you if they had to win or heard you if you had a fouriler coming in. So you got to be careful not to alert them that there are people around by using an ATV or something like that in any proximity to that feed. 00:58:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of other things too, is I don't know if you even mentioned feed in there too much. I'm assuming if you're in. 00:58:31 Speaker 2: Te Yeah I thought he said feeder, but maybe I'm maybe not. 00:58:34 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, But if you're not, dump the corner those suckers, and with that, don't go in there the first day you see that pig on on daylight. 00:58:44 Speaker 2: Let them suckers get like patterned up. 00:58:47 Speaker 1: Because honestly, I know it's fun to go hunting no matter what, don't get me wrong, but if you're trying to kill pig, the way to do it is to like have like a week of data and have that sucker feeling nice about where he's going. Then he'll kind of slip up a little bit and uh, you know, instead of them giving you this s lip. 00:59:04 Speaker 9: Right there go? 00:59:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, hope you get them man, or hope you get them all right? Next question, Hey, Element crew, I have. 00:59:13 Speaker 9: A question for you guys, and is this how do you re scout an area that you've hunted before. What I mean is that things can change from year to year, whether that's environmental factors, food source, water source, deer patterns, whatever. If you're going into an area where you have previous knowledge, how do you re scout that same area without letting your previous knowledge affect your opinion too much? 00:59:34 Speaker 2: Thanks? Guys, God bless you gonna go first? Sure? 00:59:37 Speaker 1: Uh, I'm just gonna be honest and say I let my previous knowledge affect me too much. South Dakota is a huge place for this, and I thought of this study a few times, and I always end up going up there with a preconceived notion and then having to adjust dramatically to that. I do think that though it is like I do think that, though is likely Earth still hanging on to some information. Now, I'm gonna give some examples here in the second of when you wouldn't. But at the moment, I think that, like South Dakota, you're going to a place that's far away, you might as well go see if it's still happening the way you thought it was, and then get there, and you're gonna go in there, scout hunt whatever, and you're gonna have to make notions off of what you observe anyways, So if you don't go off your preconceived notions, then you have no starting point as to which to build on or take away from. So that's kind of my thoughts on that is, I'm still gonna always about here. You use that, and then you know, if you don't have a lot of time, that might change a little bit, you know, But I think that it probably brings up the point of giving yourself time to get there and learn new things and be able to go make some success happen after that. 01:01:15 Speaker 2: We talk about eliminating ground a lot, and even off of your preconceived notions. If you go back in there and there's nothing going on that you thought was going to happen, you're eliminating not necessarily ground, but you're eliminating like what they're doing right or whatever you're going on, this isn't happening in here anymore. I wonder if it's this property or I wonder if it's a drought or like you said, in some sort of environmental condition. Is it a product of big you know, clear cut or what you know? 01:01:44 Speaker 9: See. 01:01:44 Speaker 1: I think that's where you do go in and all of a sudden you're like, okay, everything's completely different. If the crop is completely different, probably can just change. You know, say it was alfalfa last year and this year it's beans and it's cut. Well, things changed completely. If you go in there, you know, say you're out east and you know you're hunting big woods and then walging operation came through and your whole thousand acres has been clear cut, well, that you're gonna treat it. 01:02:12 Speaker 2: It's a whole new property. Probably better for deer hunting. 01:02:16 Speaker 1: It's gonna be hard because you're having to relearn the thing, but at that point in time, you just treat it like it's completely different. But I still think that deer are going to always act like deer. So you got that and you hit pocket, Yeah, you know, like you're good with that. I would say one thing we deal with a lot is especially like when I say locally, I mean in Texas on public pretty heavily pressured overall and so hunter pressure is actually this one of these factors you're talking about that changes a landscape. You go back in to look at a property, maybe like September, hang some cameras or whatever, and all of a sudden, you know there's dudes that are you know, also been in there hanging cameras, or you go in there in November and there's a dud it's been hunting in there, and he's messed the. 01:03:01 Speaker 2: Whole thing up. You know, you still you still want to hold on to that information that you previously had, because really the idea is probably like, well it's messed up. There's there's I'm either gonna adjust to this, or this is a small enough piece that I can't really do anything here. I'm gonna go elsewhere. But either way, you're not hunting right there where you used to hunt. But what we've seen is an ebb and flow, and these guys will go into these these properties and you'll have an entire year that's messed up. And it's unfortunate because it took a lot of time to find this spot and for it to pay off for you. You may have shot a deer in there before, and then a guy comes in there you put it on video, and then and then the guys in there and and says, I'm gonna try that, you know, and messes it up. But guess what, he messed it up. He probably didn't kill a deer, you know what I mean, probably not if you were actually looking at statistics. Probably didn't kill a deer. Right, Guess what he's gonna do when he doesn't deer, He's be like, man, this place kind of stinks. Man, I didn't see nothing, you know what anyone hunting ride. He wasn't using the wind right, he wasn't hunting on the right wind. He wasn't accessing it right, you know. He didn't sit in the right tree even to see the deer right. So then he gives up, and the next year he's not back out there again, or he's at least not in that spot, you know. And then you take your all your preconceived notions and all of the things that you learned before you apply them back again year two or three or four or whatever it is. But the next year and they're doing what they were doing before a guy was in there, because nothing else has changed environmentally. They haven't done a clear cut you know, they haven't done anything we got. You know, you would end up you would have if you had cross even if you had crop rotations, you'd probably have the same crops you had the year that you were successful as you did you know that next year obviously two years later or whatever. So it ends up working pretty good for you. And I think like that, if hunter pressure is the issue and it's not environmental, you definitely need to keep those notions in there. And I think I'm with KC just like overall, you have to consider everything and youve got to be creative. So when you go in to re scout, just start with the fact that this is what they were doing. Oh I figured something out that's changed, Well, what would that do to these animals? How would this set them? If it's a food source change, how would that adjust where they are? Because typically if they're betting, if you know where their betting is and nothing's changed there, they're going to continue betting there unless their food source literally moves, like you know, a mile or whatever, then they might bed closer. But still, even if it's a long ways from a food source, a buck is probably going to bed in a very remote spot that he was comfortable with before. So you know, you have to think about how does this affect deer and like back to the coups deer conversation, deer or deer and they do deer things. So here's some ways to do this. Food, water, shelter, companionship. 01:05:56 Speaker 1: Yep, that's what they're looking for. 01:05:57 Speaker 2: They're best friends, you know, romantic competing. 01:06:01 Speaker 4: Okay, here we go. 01:06:03 Speaker 2: Looks like this is the last question and the GoPros are still running for good. We've still got video here and that's good, so we're gonna answer this question real quick, hopefully. 01:06:14 Speaker 10: Hey guys, Nick here from Austin, Texas. As a fellow user of on X, I'm really interested to know what are the two or three key features that I might be overlooking when using on X to optimize my time in the woods. Really interested to know your feedback. Thanks for everything that you guys do, and God bless. 01:06:30 Speaker 2: You and I It's weird, how like different but also similar. We are a lot of times and we end up like our map stuff is not that different from each other. A lot of times there's a little bit of different approach I feel like, and a few different things, but the way that we look at like using on X like it's generally I would say less detailed than more detailed, and if in like a functions and and different things that you could look at and do right, Yeah, like how much do you use the wind stuff? I don't use the optimal wind direction thing hardly. Yeah. 01:07:17 Speaker 1: Now if it's like preseason map scouting, I might mess with a little bit, you know, but I just we bout you have very few predetermined stand locations when we go places anyways, and I think when you were approaching like your home property versus like a travel thing, it's completely Yeah, that's true, but you do mess around with icon color a lot. 01:07:41 Speaker 2: I feel yeah, I've I mean, I've definitely got the way some ways that I do it. But I'm saying like, if you look at the capabilities of on X app, you and I are kind of a very surface level. We don't we don't get super involved because you and I we kind of understand what we're looking for. We understand what we were thinking we were looking at that pen. Well. I think that that's how on X has a design too. Is it works for all hunters? 01:08:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, when we're specific like traveling sometimes public land whitetail hunters. It's like there's some specific things that are really detailed that we use, but I'm not going to really use the prey dog access layer too much, right you know? 01:08:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's so capable, like they can do some awesome stuff and well occasionally use stuff like you know whatever c W D zones or burns or whatever like, but overall you and I will go in and find good places on the map, you know. And I think this this comes back to how you and I like to keep our options open. It's like when we put a pin down, like we don't like to. We don't like something to tell us that we can't hunt it on this whole thing exactly because it's like, well maybe I do want to do that because you never know what direction that deers come from because you're from out of town or whatever. I do have some that I think that helped me a lot with our scenarios quite a bit. The line distance with two fingers. I'm using that thing a ton nowadays. It's a huge help. You know. 01:09:06 Speaker 1: Used to you had to like go in select the tool line distance click here, click here, and then tell you a distance will Now you just take two fingers, hold them down the map and it'll tell you the different the distance between those two fingers. It's a huge thing. And then also distance to waypoint. I use for that quite a bit too, especially spot and stalk on pigs because we know where they're at sometimes, so uh, you know, uh, some of these monotonous river bottom stuff that we hunt. You kind of know the feeders over there. But at the same time as it four hundred yards or is it two hundred yards, I'm not exactly sure right now. 01:09:38 Speaker 2: Well, remember in Arkansas and this y'all see y'all see actually this this didn't actually make the cut, but it's y'all see the Arkansas buck truck video here. At some point and I remember you betted a deer the morning I killed, and we were going to go back to that deer. And I remember using that distance to waypoint from where you assumed that deer betted, And that was that was definitely helpful. Yeah, would have been really helpful if we'd have believed in it. 01:10:02 Speaker 1: I know, you know what I mean. Well, that was a strange thing, and like Tyler said, this is might be on the Jones cut of this thing. But at some point in time. This buck was locked down with the dough and I had to get within thirty five yards of him before he got up. Yeah, he would not move. It's weird. 01:10:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what else do you use? So I have you know, here's my thoughts on this whole thing. It's like, I have a process. We both have different This is where we're a little bit different. Is our process kind of Uh, it's very similar in ways, but there are a few different things. 01:10:33 Speaker 1: Right. 01:10:35 Speaker 2: So the first thing when I get on the map is I'm finding good spots if this area hadn't been tore or whatever. I go in to try to find good spots that could be trails, that could be just generally areas that are far from parking right understanding where that is that could be well, I'm looking for, you know, acrons, or I'm looking for a food source and then betting that relates to that. But then when I put a pin, I use notes all the time, and I don't use them every time, but when I put pins, most of the time, at the very least in the caption, I will put what I'm thinking. If not in the description, I will put in that caption like this hunts on a north. That was what I was thinking. So that's that will help me when I go back to that spot instead of just being like, oh, yeah, that's cool trail, I was thinking this, or you know, half mile from ag you know, so what hunts on a north or whatever? You know, Like, I'll use these little tiny descriptions that help me. Those notes help me when I come back, because these are This is kind of where we're similar is we'll go and just put a bunch of bunch of pins on the map in a spot, and then I will almost always come back and get really detailed and find like I like to have like confidence in three to five really good spots that when I go to the on the trip, I know like this is my one or two that I'm gonna hunt, and then there's another two or three that I really feel good about. And then from there I can make assumptions on the ground with what we're seeing and those kind of things. But I'm using those notes so that when I come back to get real detailed on all these little pins I'll put all over the place that I know what I was thinking, and then I can really set up my access, which is kind of the next thing I look at. You know, if you're in a marsh, you're going to access down a deer trail a lot of times, so finding that access and then I use the line tool to see how far that access is, and I will map that deer trail out or that walking path or whatever, not super accurate, but accurate enough that I know, like it's either seven hundred or eight hundred yards or whatever. It's not like the difference in seven hundred and one point two miles, you know what I mean. So I get it fairly accurate, and I know within a few hundred yards or what that actual distance is, and that that helps me to know like how much time it's going to take to get in there in the morning or in the evening, and yeah, yeah, get in there. And then I also know, you know what the well I'm lost now it's you've got the wall going, uh, So I know that how long it's going to take. But I also know like do I go through water or will I go through water? And so I've got a few of these, like if I'm hunting like a big river valley that's got like those cattail marshes and stuff in it. Just for instance, you got to know if you can actually get into that stuff, because sometimes it is just tamarack or willows or cattails that you're just you're in the impenetrable and so you got to know, like, is there a deer trail going in? 01:13:33 Speaker 1: There? 01:13:33 Speaker 2: Are there some lower grass areas that I can work around and get through that? So that's very important to me, and then I'm able to make really good, really detailed assumptions from there. I would say I use icons and colors a lot, so color coding and the icons stuff. I usually use the X probably like fifty percent of the time. And then any trails and crossings, I use those a lot, like, oh, this is a trail, so you know, uh, I'll use the tree stand for I typically think of those as tree stands for myself. If somebody else's tree stand is there, then I will market it as not my tree stand, you know, somebody else's tree stands in there as my description. But if it's a tree sand icon, it's typically where I want to hang a tree stand. Here's the trail, Here's where I want to put the tree stand. I use the access a lot, and then crossings for fence crossings and crete crossings, I use that crossing icon. And then my color coding, I use white for places I have not been yet that I have map scouted. If I've been there and it is a crossing or it is where I want to put a tree stand, I put it in red, just the generic you know on X red. So if I've been there, it's the automatic color. If I haven't been there, it's white. And then if I feel really good about a spot on map scout and I will turn that, put that as blue like blue ribbon number one spot. So that's my blue spots are not a whole lot of them are on there. I do it black, usually black. This is as bad as a bone, yeah, Jeb black baby. 01:15:01 Speaker 1: What do you use purple for? 01:15:03 Speaker 2: For anything that you do? 01:15:06 Speaker 8: I do? 01:15:06 Speaker 2: If something is weird, I mark it in purple. I do too. I think I've done that too. I use green, Now they got a good solid green. I use that for any green food sources. Typically I use yellow for corn and brown for beans. A lot of times if I do that, like when I went to Illinois in twenty twenty and killed that big huge eight point I used I went and marked all the food sources because I think I wanted to hunt corn on that trip, if I'm correct, and so I put yellows and browns for you know, beans and corn. I marked every food source that I knew, you know, where I wanted to be in relation on the public ground. So that's kind of my color coding process a little bit. I used some blacks. I can't remember what for now. 01:15:46 Speaker 1: I used the the picture a whole lot. Yeah, so instead of having to type out a bunch of stuff, but just take a picture or something. 01:15:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I'll go like, what's this point? You know, I can go back and say, oh, by the way, it's a scrape the size of the car. 01:16:02 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. And then the radius tool I do use from time to time if I'm pre scouting a spot and I know when I hang a standing there, it's like you're trying to find a tree you can hang in that you can shoot that trail from. It's kind of hard to do sometimes, and that radius tool helps you do that. You can do it with the line distance too, but the radius thing just makes it pretty quick and you can see all directions that you can shoot with the radius tool work. 01:16:25 Speaker 7: I like it. 01:16:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, the picture thing is really good for like a tree, stand tree. If you go into a spot and you're like, man, that's the tree, then you take a picture of it so that when you go back in there, you know that was the tree you wanted to hang in h And also you know how high you want to go, like how many sticks you might need to bring, you know, So it's very handy. But that's probably about all I got, man, especially considering how bad I need to go take a lead. 01:16:51 Speaker 1: Got anything else? No, that's it, man, Okay, thank y'all for sending in these videos. Yeah that's pretty cool. Again, y'all make us look bad, so it's always good, and we'll do more of these if y'all y'all like it. Look forward to the video podcast being on YouTube at some point in time. That'll come out and you know, it helps us always. If you support us, want to play our stuff wherever you're at, you can go listen to podcast, watch all the butt truck stuff on meat Eater. 01:17:18 Speaker 2: Be sure and subscribe over there while you're there. 01:17:21 Speaker 1: And then also check out some of the stuff we got coming out on the Element channel too, because there's been some fun things happening. 01:17:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, lots of fun that's fun. We talked about the Access deal recently, you know, so you guys probably know about that. We've been pig hunting a little bit. The ACXSIS trip has knocked my bow off. Not good anyway. That we'll talk about that more and maybe next time. But appreciate you guys sending those things in as super helpful for us. I love doing stuff. It's like I love the Q and A stuff. So thank you guys so much. And remember this is your element living time such as this 01:18:08 Speaker 7: M HM

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