00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Tyler and you're listening to the Element podcast. Oh Live me goes my woods people. We are in a truck again, I know, it's it's something we do often. So there's rain, and there's vehicle noise that potentially might enter the MIC's but wipers. You know, sometimes you just gotta take advantage of a little time on the on the road, a little windshield time. So Casey and I are actually heading back from a trip within state, not out of state, but within states trip to take advantage of some of the cool, interesting non native things that exist here in Texas, and um, we got to do a little a little hanging in trees with our bows. In those hanging moments, I was trying to decide what my favorite non native in Texas is when it came to animals, and that's kind of a tough thing to think about. Yeah, there's some there's some good ones. Um, I would venture to say it would be you might be hard pressed to find a non native that has had a better economical impact than the Florida strain large mouth bass. Yeah, that's that's definitely, uh overall, you would say that. Yeah, But I was thinking in the in the furry kind, but the Florida large mouth is one of my favorites. I would agree on that. Yep, it's a fun one. There's some pretty cool there's actually some really cool uh UM scientific project slash research work that has been done since what the eighties, I guess um in involving Florida strain large mouths are referring to o w r UH Operation World Record. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, So anyway, that's kind of a different deal. But the non natives of Texas are many. We actually saw something we didn't really know what it was. There's two trucks in the convoy right now, and uh I was in the truck different than Casey earlier, and we we went two different routes, but now we're back on the same path. And we saw something look like a water buck or a Neil guy or something. There was a bunch of them out there. Uh I almost wanted to think they were will to beast, but I don't think they were quite big enough. But it was pretty interesting something that was gray out there, and we were all like, what are those? Couldn't see them very good, but there was there's you know, so many different things in Texas that could be hunted, and there's so many different ways of hunting. You know, I actually came to find out about a away that people hunt. I guess you could call it hunting. Uh that I never knew about this this week, and this is what's cool. You know, Texas is a big place, so you know, you could think about it as like when you travel a certain distance in Texas. In other places in the country, you're literally states away. So there are you know, there's a different culture in Boston than there is in New York City, right, and it's it's similar. We have a ton of different cultures, but it's all kind of united under the Texas flag. And um, I just I think it's cool to go places talk to interesting people, which we got to do and uh here some of the stories are the people that they run into. And here in Texas we have one of the biggest UH economies in the world just within our state. And it leads you to deal with you know, a lot of different unique people who come from many different backgrounds, of many different jobs and different uh social classes. And you run into some people that every once in a while that you're like, man, I don't know how I how we're sitting here talking together. Because you run in different circles. You you have boats, and you know, you travel all the time and you do these things and and uh me, um, I've hadn't paid myself in fifteen years, so you know, it's kind of a wild thing. And I I, uh, there's there's just so many ways to hunt things or whatever you might I mean, it's not some people wouldn't call it hunting, right, some of the things that can be done. And here in Texas, it's no secret we have a lot of fences and some of those fences are high, um and down in that's right down in the area that uh we spent some time this week. We spent actually did a lot of driving. We were doing what we what we ideally were wanting to do, is we wanted to get uh a low fence or free range axis, hunt and chase after these animals and kind of figure out what they're all about, see what they you know, see if they're different than Y tell and how much different and um, you know, we wanted that free range aspect as much as possible. Um, So we kind of were working on that in these areas. But they're like there's tons of high fences around in different places. Uh. And you know, every every year that goes on, especially with this like productive as our economy has been the last ten years or so, you know, there's gonna be more and more of these fences popping up. I don't know, I kind of think about I kind of thought about this a few times while I was down there. But like what happens when most of the landscape be comes high fence. It's kind of a weird feeling, Yeah, especially on whenever it's smaller parcels, like you know what I mean, smaller, smaller, I mean less than thousand acres, you know, like it's a lot of land, but in the grand scheme of landscapes, it's a small area. And so like you literally are introducing false boundaries to wildlife and have isolated populations that have their own population dynamics that are unique and pretty hard to maintain on a small property like that. Um. So, yeah, it's not a great situation. I mean because at some point it may be two d years or whatever. But like at some point, if wealthy people keep moving out of Austin and DFW and buying property and high fence in it, then at some point there's more than there isn't that's high fence. I think it will socially regulate. You think, I think that, uh, there will be some ebb and flow to that sooner or later. UM, I don't know how what what do you I guess I'm not falling fully like you think people will, uh like some sort of maybe conservation ethic will Yeah, are just the lack of desire for the high fence name um just um? I mean, for instance, right now you can go to certain areas of Texas sitting a tree and maybe see uh one native big game species and three non natives all on the same hunt, you know, and um if you have a because the original thought behind at least exotic high fencing, not high fencing of white tails another native game was that we're gonna bring in something that you can't really find here and have a population in him to hunt because we like to hunt more cool things. And uh, I think there was a lot of especially with earlier things that are brought over, there's a lot of meat as what like the quality meat, uh game meat production was kind of part of the deal to not gonna really speak to like the ethical side of that too much. Can you know, dude, morals and ethics are so subjective. You know, there's there's absolute truth in the Bible and everything besides that is just whatever you think, man, So like whatever you think on this high fence stuff. But we're just telling you it's like this man, that was originally why they had high fenced access black bug all that add things like that, UM was to just have a variety in new and unique species. And uh, it's kind of like grassroots efforts. Greg and I were talking about this the while. You know something about THEO too, you know, the while it was one of the big exotics um importers along with the King Ranch and a couple of others um excuse me, still recovering from getting sick um and so like, there was a necessity for a fence to keep those animals in because you didn't want them to disperse and then you wouldn't have the animals anymore. Well, now spend money on them or whatever. It's to the case to where that actually is inverted in some cases. We saw this week we actually drove around on a UM medium sized high fence place less than a thousand acres and it was devoid of game. And if you had cut the fences on this place and let you'd be letting access in as opposed to access to access, you're almost keeping them out. So there's more low fence than there is high fence in that particular parcel, which kind of goes back to your point, but also to say, like, um, that somewhat alleviates a need for the high fence whenever there's so many of the exotics running around free range. So do you think that so one of the one of the big like optimistic or uh big plus is too that the like y Oh would throw out there to why it's such a cool place, is that there herds of certain exotic species on the y Oh that like replenish uh the suffering herds across the Atlantic Ocean or whatever like or across the Pacific like that in other countries where those those things are native, they're like able to restock with those animals or there maybe or even just maybe they don't restock it, but like just they know that there are uh they're like not endangered, but what's the lighter term of that threatened species? You know? Stors is a great example. Yeah, and we like in America though they're established well or whatever. And uh, Barbara Sheep also known as odd d is another one and black all three things that um, at one point in their existence, there were more in Texas than there were in their native ranges. Yeah. Do you think that, like at the wild points that out that that's a uh like a side uh like that's that's just like a side benefit to what they actually intended to Do you think they actually intended that to be the case where they thinking that far ahead? I don't know. And and here we get into the tricky game of who is they to you know, because like, um, I'm not trying to say that generations previous to us didn't have foresight, but they at the same time, I wouldn't know what was coming in the twenty century, just like we don't know what's coming in the twenty third century. Um. But uh so it's hard to say that, but I think that there was not like malicious intent with the introduction of exotic species, uh in this case. You know, I think that, um, it was like, hey, let's add some more things out there. And I like that. I like more things. More things are cool, especially whenever it's a it's a productive landscape when they can coexist with natives and it work out. Okay, it's pretty cool. So, um, are they co existing the natives? Well, well, you know that probably is something that would take more study than what I have time to do because I'm no longer in a wildlife professional um, which is also um subjective as to what you would call that, you know, um newslash. You don't have to work for a government and to be a wildlife professional. But yeah, I don't know, man. I do think that it's Texas is like a lot of uh clubs or whatever you want to call it. From the outside looking in, you can't make a lot of sense of it. But from the inside out we can't really explain it. But we like it, you know, like here's a here's a quick little uh, just a brief thing on the wire. It's pretty cool. Uh. It was bought looks like the yo was purchased um by Charles Schriner UM in eighteen eighty years so a long time ago. Uh. In the early fifties, the curator of the San Antonio Zoo, Fred's Stark, had a surplus of animals and suggested that Charles Schreiner of the wild Ranch take some of them to see how they would adapt. As soon as UH nineteen. As soon as nineteen fifty three, black buck antelope psychodere or Sita as we usually call him, UH fallow deer, Addad and aud Edward Andrews the wilderness of the wild. They successfully acclimated to the terrain and were soon followed by access dear. The motive for the acquisition was to breed the animals for conservation purposes. Pretty cool. Effort was so successful that when a short time, within a short time, animals were being sold to zoos, while others were being sent back to their natal lands to replenished dwindling herds. So there, who is that? That is the wild Ranch? Uh dot com pretty much? While oh shriner dot com. Yeah, so you can imagine they're putting a pretty positive spin on things. Yeah, you don't make their own story. But the while it's a cool place, man's I wanted to go back to an exotic selle there, which is pretty cool. Man. You got to see. You think going to zoo is cool, go to an exotic celle you get see way more cool story. That's cool, dude. I I um always like so for me. I shot my first white tail and my first deer at nine, first big game animal nine years old. And then it was not many more years after when I started hunting all the cheap sheep species that we have here in Texas, right cheap sheeps. Um, I mean probably like like eleven, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, I shot a couple of different sheep and through that experience, like I was, this was back you know, when we had Windows ninety five or whatever it was. It was just like the slowest moving internet uh slash operating system on planet Earth ever in the history. But I would get on the Internet and just look up prices on some of these hunts, you know, and back then you don't know what you're looking at or whatever. But like I just know that I wanted to hunt like if I so I had my I had UH. The way I ranked my species was black buck was the thing I wanted to hunt the worst, and the most access was the next thing close behind and then follow those were like my top three UH species. And I always was looking into like how how I could I save up enough money to go shoot access or a black buck? And like fairly good sized black buck. I think back then were like bucks or them. You know, it's gonna be a lot more that now, yeah, yeah, how And I was like, man, I can I can get there, you know, And I just never man saving that much money back then, it was just tough. I I could have gotten there, probably, but just as a kid man, you just don't want to work your life away, you know, so uh ended up just never getting to that point, getting into high school football and you kind of you know about and there have to chill the hunting for a while when you're in high school football and so and then college and then of course, uh, you know, we had the boom of the you know, of two thousand, the mid two thousand tens that probably increased those prices quite a bit, especially then, I mean, I know, just overall inflation. And now you're looking at like, what is a what would a black buck? Uh like a good size but not like a monster black buck cost shift probably doing exotic work is about a hundred dollars an inch, um, and I bet you it's more than that now. So I bet you a twenty inch is gonna cost you three thousand now, I mean, I'm just kind of but it looks like we were we were looking before we came down here, like what access cost, because so when we talk about costs, this is like to go on a hunt that's kind of guaranteed most likely high fence is what you're looking at here. Um, there are still some like trophy fee like free range hunts for this stuff too, but that's it's kind of like weird, right, And I don't really want to do the high fence thing where you're kind of halfway guaranteed the animal, but like I understand the economic value at least that we're talking about. Yea, yeah, Um, the access it seemed like on a quick quick search for minutes was like a lot of them were going from about thirty two fifty two, like over five grand. Uh. And I would imagine black bucks sitting that range pretty pretty similar to um code black buck out in the middle, just hanging out. They're real, they're real grassland oriented, so like you see them in the open stuff. And that's why I think free range black buck is so much probably harder to find because they just don't they're grassland animal, whereas an axis can can get into brush a little more, you know, the not that they're a white tail, but you know. So there's like three I don't know what you call them, like standard exotics. So there's super exotics and there's regular exotics. Okay, so like the four regular exotics and texas are gonna be Axcess, black buck, Fallow, and aw dad, those are gonna be kind of your standards. Um, there's a there's a below category too. Yeah, they're all sheeps of different sheep, which some of those are pretty cool to you with red sheep. Uh, those things are those are a little bit higher up there to but like Tyler talking about like Spanish goats and black Hawaiian takes takes his doll and what's the core skins and what's the uh the hybrid, it's like a borgoat hybrid with um what are they called? Like the stuff that are on the IBEX. That's that's one thing Ibex hybrids you run into some of those, which is just weird literally a goat. Um. Anyways, So of those standard exotics, uh, they all kind of do different stuff. And I think the reason that, like when I used to work in the exotics industry, um Fallow were treated a little differently and black buck to an extent, where as well whereas Axis and add Ad brought a pretty nice premium um because they are the wildest so access in Oddad don't really ever um domesticate or tolerate humans too much, whereas black Buck to an extent will just kind of live in a small enclosure. They still don't want to be petted. You saw that toad right next to that little house or whatever. Dude, fallow dear will turn into pets. Weird. We they're very docile um. So it's it's strange to just kind of think about like the differences in some of these creators, you know, like the the Fellows just didn't really it seemed like there wasn't as much demand for him back then. Do they come Are they more docile because they come from a place where they live close to people? I don't know that like the country they come from. The countries they come from are like like pretty populated right with It's just like northeastern Europe. So I don't know, I don't know what is I think some things just to have a different nature about them. Um who knows, like by some you know, not really docile, but taller of humans because what are you gonna do to it? Yeah, Yeah, He's like, Okay, come on. Uh anyways, Um, that kind of sidetracked you there on something you were saying. No, I think you were talking about kind of like the super exotics versus the that regular point was the of those four kind of standard exotics. Um, we were after like one of the more wildly ones that I can remember even in the business too. And uh, what are you name a few super exotics For those who don't know what the um, the standard super exotic would be, Uh, the orcs or the gimmes Buck is a lot of people would know it. Um, a symmetry horned orcs, which is a orcs. It has kind of a reddish uh nape on it in a white belly is and has like kind of floppy horns. Is not quite as fancy, but you know you can think of like the the big gray ones look like the size of the horse. Uh, the ones that you hunt New Mexico. Uh, they call him Orcs and Sarah, but gimmes Buck is kind of the standard name for him. Those are the kind of the the going super exotic. And then after that in Texas who have wilder beast, I would call most likely a super exotic Uh, there's Yeah, there's not a ton of kudoo in Texas, but they are sons. Yeah at that little pitten zoo thing. Uh yeah, but uh there's also like uh uh addicts is one is a unique animal. It's a spiral horned, but bumpy horned and lope are pretty cool. Um, what else is that they're out there? It's in supers that I've seen often. Um, I would say, like there's there's weird things like a red litch way. It's kind of in between any of those African antelope can be can be one of those, hope offered. Um, there's Thompson's, Gonzelles and Texas I've seen. Uh, there's all kinds of stuff out there running around. So let's take let's take uh the let's just say maybe the the lowest or them. I don't know how. I don't mean this in a bad way, but the lowest type of hunting as as in more like the lowest economical or whatever, the most econogl the the most affordable and common type of hunting maybe is either uh locally as a resident of a state, um, hunting on a property that you get permission on, or a big public piece of property or something like that, and then that's the most like approachable thing. And then you've got these different levels in between. Right, so you've got like cheap lease, and then you've got like, I'm pretty average lease, and you've got like a place where like, if you're on that lease, uh, you're spending some money and you're probably gonna be able to shoot a big deer. And then you got like a place where uh maybe a hunting club on a Mississippi river where like you might have to have somebody die before you can actually get on that place yet. And then uh, you know, there's many more levels that I'm not a hole like, I'm not super familiar with, but you know, high fence would be up and there in this other category of like your spend and a lot of money, maybe even like some of these places down here, maybe even like bring your wife and it's a wine and dying thing along with like you know, quote unquote hunt. And then you know this, maybe you may go from like big high fense places, like some of the places and Texas that are high fense are legit twenty thousand acre high fense, so I mean pretty dad gum near wild. You know as wild as it gets, you know, like they're a deer living in the middle of that thing that haven't seen the fence, you know. So then you can go all the way down to like legit uh pen hunting pretty much to where it's just guaranteed you know, you can shoot across the pen and and then you know, I found out about a new one that I didn't know uh this week. But there's this uh, this version of like corporate um buying, like bidding on animals. Yeah, I remember I was talking about this when Year said earlier. I was like, what are you talking about? The new thing? But yeah, it's like, um, it's almost like they're taking the middle men out. Yeah, that's a very weird deal. It's like to me, I think maybe the most uh like far from that first step that we talked about, the most approachable hunting is like probably the video game style of hunting or whatever, where you can like shoot something but not actually be there, um through like an internet robotic gun or whatever. Uh. And this sits somewhere probably under that where like, um, the corporations are bidding on animals and uh, the high bid like sins whoever they've been on it for whoever wants to down to shoot that animal. And it's pretty much guarantee. You have a menu, Yeah, and you picked the thing on the menu, and that's like, okay, I'm gonna go kill kickers. Kickers is a s c I bucket. Yeah, and uh you go down there, and you know, and three days and two nights you sit in Dan Whiting. It's interesting if this makes you you know, I'm not into like just hating on a bunch of stuff right now, so you know, if this makes you, uh feel weird inside, I understand, Uh, but I'm just throwing out, like, these are the levels of hunting differences about some things here. Yeah, yeah, I'm just saying these are There's there's a difference in what you can do with a lot of money in hunting slash you know, I like said quotations maybe, and then what you can do with not very much money in hunting. And it all exists in Texas. I mean literally, the obstin ends of the spectrum exists in Texas. Right, So except for the really big places of public well no, there are some yeah, yeah, there are some saying very great the uh, but it all exists here. And so we have a cool state, man. We have a state that has like a lot of different uh things that you can do a lot of things, you can chase, a lot of ways you can chase on and then uh we have like a huge just historical culture that's been around a long time involved around hunting in Texas. So, UM, I don't know, it's it's it's something that I've been glad to grow up and experience. I mean, as as much as may maybe some people don't like the high fense thing, I'm glad that I've gotten to know it and know what it is. And I don't know, Um, I can't tell you the last time I hunted a high fense place. It was probably was when I was about fourteen, when I was shooting those sheep, you know, uh, but to know them, to see them, to kind of figure out what if there's good and if there's bad. You know. Some of these places we talked about this a little bit, but some of these places are legit um. You know, there's there's obviously species that can get out of that that pen, so like birds, pollinators, some of these things, and some of these places are owned by people who don't need money and they're managed accordingly, so maybe no cattle and your native grasses and wildflowers in those areas are you know, awesome. It feeds lots of birds and turkeys, and you know the turkeys aren't panned down by any means, and you know all this different these there are benefits and private land conservation would you say is more important than publicly and conservation? There you go, Yeah, I'll probably heard me talk about that a little bit and it probably makes some people get real weird. But um, I mean, look at the broad landscape of the US. You know, even even your most publicly and heavy western states like say like a Nevada or something like that, still has a decent amount of private ground. And you take a state like Texas. Shoot, man, ninety seven percent of the ground of Texas is gonna be privately owned in some sense of the matter. So yeah, if you want Texas native wildlife to exist, private land conservation is going to be key. And so with that, we ended up uh hunting a couple of different free range or low fence property um on this trip, and one of them, especially that we spent the most time on UM is actually a really cool property where the landowner is wanting native stuff to thrive, and so, um, you know, we we got to see some cool native grasses. We got to you know, see a bunch of white tails. And this is happening on private property. This places the opposite of high fence. It's no fins. Yeah, there's not even a three wire. There's no cattle. So I mean they're trying to turn this thing back into a very native property in and you know, if I'm being frank, it won't happen because you can't, uh, you can't, like I said, unless you have the fence, you can't keep the access off of you know what I mean, you can't. You can't keep the hogs off of it. There's gonna be hogs, right, But they want to see it as close to as it was as possible, so they you know, have uh you know, they try to take some hogs off of it or whatever. And so I don't know, it's just cool, man, It's like, yeah, it's it's different than you think of. Like you you hear you may hear on a lot of podcasts, even within our own network here about these you know, uh, state, state and maybe even federal biologists that are working on public lands to do you know, good things. But you know, in Texas it's just different. Then we're from Texas and we just think we think about it a little different and we look at all this private land is there's some cool things that can be done. There's some experiments that have gone bad. You know, like, uh, I don't know what the King Ranch how they exactly feel about their neil guy. They're making some money off of them. Uh, But you know, dude, it's invasive. It's a king ranch hybrid bluestem that is like you know, non nat him everywhere. It's kind of spread and love grass, same kind of thing. Like there's things that go bad, but things that go bad on plenty of public grounds. But I mean you also, you know, you may trim the tree too much in your in your own yard and kill it, you know. I mean we're out here trying to do what we can do and make things better and sometimes it doesn't always. Um right, depends on how you believe. We believe in the humanity's dominion over uh, the animal kingdom of the world that we have here. And dominion does not mean to dominate, but dominion means to preside over and part of that presiding is the management of and I think it's really cool to see people like the folks that we were blessed to get to hunt their property this week, to make personal efforts towards that kind of stuff. You know, they kind of have a personal conservation ethic about how they'd like to see things done and understand, Like the lady is a vegetarian, and I don't know the context of her vegetarianism, but she understood the necessity of hunting and was like not squeamish at all about us hunting things. And I thought that's kind of cool. You know, she understands it's the thing. Maybe not for her, but it is the thing. It's out there. Yeah, I think, I mean, it's just, uh, I think that the the that gift in that dominion that we have is the ability to try to make things better, right, and um, try would kind of be the key word, right, like, uh, we're really not able to fully do everything we want just because we're you know, we're working with nature's elements and nature's uh are natural things, and so you just you try, you learn. Maybe when you're seven your tomato garden doesn't ever fail. But until then it might you know. I mean, these people right here tried to have dominion over that cow, and now it's in the ditch, you know what I mean, it's in the ditch, grazing right beside the road. Not good, so in about a hour it's gonna be a real dangerous hazard. But you know that's I think that that's a that's a cool thing. And like it doesn't it doesn't say that you should have everything fixed and everything perfect and have the best you know, citrus and the best uh you know, tomato garden or whatever, but like that you should that we should try and that's what part of you know, that's like, that's how we're able to to uh glorify through this through our lives here on earth. And so it's pretty cool. It's a cool process to to be a part of man. And anyway, with all that, I think we you know, can talk a little more about actually the hunt and and to me, you know, it started with these people that have uh grown up around this property and you know, having them tell us a little bit about it going out there and just really like, I don't know, it's it's cool when you hunt somebody who respects the property in the wildlife as much as they do when you hunt on their property. It just like, I don't know, it brings like a new appreciation for what you're doing, you know, like we're not just here to kill it here like we are, but we also are here to like hunt of property that is like special and that it is cool and to do something that I literally wanted to do since I I didn't even know that I was you know that I might be hunting high fence ranch if I bought a black buck hunt, you know what I mean. So like just for so long I wanted to do this and it's just like a cool thing that I I would catch myself almost like out of like an out of body experience, almost like I'm looking at myself in the tree, thinking I can't believe you're actually here. Finally, you know, you're actually here in Texas hunting for access dear free range something you wanted to do for twenty years or whatever. You know, So it's pretty it was a pretty cool deal. We started out, um and we actually uh, I bought some southfa Hey that's right to do some stuff little access bating. Yeah, um, so I have exotic experience with the game Capture World, and also last year Chris Webb and I came down here and hunt in a different place, uh and found out that like Alfa, alpha bailes really do it for the old axis deer, especially in the winter months whenever things are a little bit sparse, especially during the drought like we got right now. Um, them suckers a hammer that alpha alphabet. And white tail well too apparently figured that out what they did hammering for sure, that's mostly what I saw at the bail so um. You know. Also another thing, we may not have fully introduced the axis like we should, but it's a it's a Indian Sri Lankan you know species that is a it's about the same size as uh as like probably average white tail like a yeah, like a Midwestern type deer, like a big We started calling them bulls because I feel like Bucket is kind of weird for him. But uh, like I think they could probably push the mark some of the biggest ones, you know. But um, I mean there's probably a stat on there. I'll tell you what they are. But they are stock, You're built than your average They are the kind of short legged looking uh, it looks kind of like a like a lab that's been overfed a little bit. And but they're they're bigger than our than the white tail because our white kind of small. Scientific name access access also known as a cheatle deer um. If you if you look around at any of there's like a couple of different varieties of the same thing pretty much, but they're all considered access. Uh standard has three points per side, and they have antlers, they lose their antlers, and they have spots their whole lives and uh they vocalize. Yeah, they have some cool localizations, like some deep guttural stuff. Yeah, they're antlers, are built a lot like a elk, but just three points. Yeah, that's right. They're very standard three pointers on each side, as a West to eat West would call them. Yes, uh so, but yeah they're and they're also they were originally brought over. I think I looked this up and uh I saw where they were originally brought over in the twenties. I think, um, well, no, well, I don't know if the hy O was the first place to get them. I'm not sure. I don't know that actually, but they were brought over for game meat from what I understand, um as like a you know, supplemental deals. So in other words, access are a supreme meat. They're tasty. They're a tasty animal. Uh, Which it's weird because some of the more common exotic species in Texas are also like tasty than white tails. It's like maybe that's uh part of the reason why they were brought over here. It's like, you know what, Uh, these access these neil guy, these black bucks are pretty tasty, so maybe we should have some of them to hunt around here. Pigs, Yeah, that's right, that's right man, It's isn't that crazy. You'd be uh, you know, probably starting pretty good debate on if a pig was tastier than a white tail, but definitely different. It has different applications. So yeah, they are tasting. So the pigs originally were domesticated and probably we're tasty here because of the fat, you know. So, but yeah, now that they're kind of lean, they're a little bit harder to make baking out of. But that's right. Um So anyway, yeah, that's what those the deer, the access dear roar. And also instead of doing the blow. If you think of white tailed deer blowing is spooky, you have not seen access heard one. Yeah, because they they do this high pitch bark that is it's like an elk. Actually when the elk gets spooked and it is uh, it will make you jump off residence or whatever. It is is loud, like you can tell they're doing it from a large chamber. It ain't just like it's like, yeah, it's got a lot behind it. Yeah. And then the rule Yeah, it's like it sounds a lot like a seal kind of loud. Yeah. Yeah, And you pretty much nailed it, um every time you heard it. So he thought about maybe calling some in the future. I would love to be real cool. So so we're very intrigued by access if you can't tell, and I think, uh, this is kind of my observation. I won't speak for Tyler, but part of the reason is we're at the point where what we know about access is to put the food they like out and sit by it, which is as basic of a hunting strategy as you can really have outside of maybe just like sitting on a pasture and waiting one to come by. You know, like it's very you know, like it's kind of one of the easiest things to figure out. It's like, hey, I wanta find the limited resource and capitalize on that. So we could gab about white tells all day comes to access for like we should grab some hay on. That's right, that's right. So, like I think what's really intriguing about them is that we don't know the best way to kill these things. We don't know if you can call them in, if you can rattle them in, and there's there's gonna be conjectures about all this stuff. Well this is another thing. Um, they have like a peak rut, but they also rut year round and and they also they have a weird like uh social dynamic where uh we saw bucks that had the smallest amount of velvet antlers, we saw halfway develop velvet antler bucks. And we saw hard horn and we saw a buck that had one side from shedding, and I found a shed. We saw a hard horned buck chasing it. Oh like hot on her. So yeah, they sit in different stages. It's like it's almost like uh, you know, pigs, you know or whatever. We're like they can breed in any time of year, and it's like the axes are similar, even though there are time periods when more of them are hard they're gonna have some sort of annual schedule that where pigs don't really and I think that is probably because, um, they are tropical deer, so there's not really a a natural function to keep them from breeding at one time or the other. And and some of our friends that we talked to hanging out with down here talked about summer bucks, which I can only imagine it implies that there are winter bucks as well. So like some deer will have hard antlers in the winter, someone'll have hard antlers in the summer. And so you'll see like bachelor groups right now, and you also see single bucks kind of following those around and stuff. And so uh, that also limits where they can live. Um, that's why you don't have access like in Michigan, because they can't hand they have warm climate. They gotta have warm climate. So that's why they're down here in Texas. But it kind of makes for a unique thing and almost like a little bit of a sad thing to where not only I can white till when you're hunting and a mature buck walks by, he's gonna have a nice set of antlers most likely, and it makes you excited and access hunting, but mature buck walks by, he's liable to have a one inch nobby at the top of his hand and it's as big around as a dad comes softball or whatever. You're like, oh, that was yeah, it was like a month ago when he was a giant, you know. Yeah. So they're they're kind of strange in that way, but it's just another unique thing about him that we're trying to learn and pinpoint possibly when we could, uh expand our strategies on these things. Tyler, do you have some thoughts on how to do that? I do. I have some thoughts to potentially Okay, here's the thing, guys, we didn't have a lot of encounters with hard horned bucks to learn a ton. Yeah, but I think you saw a little bit more from the stand that I did. On that front. I saw, well, I don't know if I saw a hard horn. I mean, I guess sure he was the vel I saw, Oh, yeah, the okay, yeah, no, I'm not sure Actually that buck was was hard horn. Uh the one I saw yesterday morning, I did see a bachelor group of five that I uh, I mean, dude, I should have killed them. Something happened on the property north of me and spooked him, but they were heading to US. UM. By the way, I think we're gonna be able to turn this into uh spoiler alerty, we didn't actually kill an access uh uh, but I think we're gonna be able to turn this into a video because we had some really close encounters and where you'll be able to probably see this on the elements they are watch the video definitely. I mean there's there's footage of quite a few access um and um anyway, so uh, but I did see I did see some bucks doing some different things. Uh. And I saw quite a few does as well. Um. I would almost venture and these white twill were pretty spooky. But I would almost venture to say that it seemed like, at least at this time of year, um, that the axis might be a little bit spookier than the white tail. To me, that was for sure the case. Um. I mean hill country white tail Texas deer like they're gonna be jump e son of the guns. Either way, it's just the way they are because they're kind of jack rabbits. Like. Uh, coyote has a hard time taking down deer in Minnesota, but a full grown coyote can eat every deer he wants to do do in Texas, so they just have more natural predators. Therefore, so the first morning we're hunting, we don't know if we're gonna see an access on this trip. Because this is just a permission deal. We don't know how many are on there. We did see a couple driving around whenever we're not scouting, we kind of had, yeah, some thoughts about maybe there'll be some around. Well, in the first sleeting moments of shooting lot, I have to come by and I'm like, oh, I better be trying to shoot this thing because this might be only ones I see. Well, I reach up to turn on my go pro. There's access to here at thirty yards away, and uh like the most she could have heard was my sleeve, like touching the bark. She comes out of her skin and runs off. Yeah, that's when I learned, oh man, these things are jump pete. And that continued to be the case throughout the week. It's the same thing I saw over and over again. Now I think that between my experience last year and this year, the bucks might be a little more relaxed than the does are. And that's kind of how it works with white tail too most of the time. Um, I mean, you can't get away with anything on any of them. But in general, bucks feel a little bit more confident than Dose Doo. It would seem the you know, our good friend Jesse Griffiths who hunts a lot of access um, which he's a chef, so you know that tells you something about the axis. Um. He seems he seems to think too that um axis are just spooky suckers, you know. And I feel like when people say that, it's it's kind of like saying I hunt deer, but the us you know, I mean, these axes are jumping, so which makes them very challenging bow hunting cripps. And that's cool, yeah, for sure. And they are they will jump a string, yes they you know that. We've talked about this for a lot. But the thirty thirty yard shot on a white tail is about as dangerous as it gets for string jumping. And apparently thirty two is on the axis. So those ones that came in on me early that first morning, Um, that first one, the second one actually spooked because here's the long story short here, as Tyler likes to say, which just means but he doesn't actually turn the story any longer. So, um, those two came in. I thought they were watching us because it's so dark. And then, um so, by the way, there's no uh legal shooting time on access. You can go out there with a thermal and shoot him in the head at night with a rifle if you want to. Uh, we like shoot stuff boats. That's what we're trying to do. So you gotta wait till you can see your pins at least to shoot them. Um. Well, this dough walks by fifteen yards and then I can finally tell it has white spots. I'm like, oh gosh, I need to shoot this thing. So I'm starting trying to shoot him. Uh, and that one freaks out and runs off. Well, the other one is like, word, my friend go, So she starts walking weird back where she came from. It walks out to like eight is looking around. I don't have a shot there, and then she takes a couple more steps and I give her a ment like that to stop her. Well do thirty two? Mac is like as bad as this as bad as it gets, and it's and there's zero wind, it's dead calm the whole trip. Just keep that in mind. You'll it is. It is really really calm. So I shoot, I'm not shooting a slow set up and I'm not shooting a facet up either. I'man like in a tote load two sixties, um, which makes my bow a little quarter. So that's a whole other podcast. But unt matter she um. By the time my arrow got there, she had ducked and whirled and I shaved hair um, and I aimed at the bottom of her belly, behind the leg, so I actually aimed almost off the deer. Like where I aimed, you wouldn't have killed her if you hit there, you might not even hit her. So that's how much she moved in that amount of time. And then I learned, Um, maybe you don't even take that shot because it's gonna be really low odds of success, and maybe you have a better shot later or something. Whatever we were, we were close to killing deer on this trip a lot of Timey minutes later, I passed some doses because I was hoping there's a buck behind him. I mean, you're having a heck of a hunt the first morning. I mean, that's the thing. I went from, like, we might not see any deer, so I better shoot this one when real tough to like, oh, they're gonna come by like this every hunt, so I can be a little picky, Yeah, that one of the case. No, but we there was several times, I mean I felt like I was in the game a lot. There was several times that we should I know, you used when you're seeing them within a hundred yards and you're trying to make moves on them. I was having a blast too, and I legit, Uh, with the better wins and this is this is no lie. We had terrible wins. I mean, like winds that didn't really hunt for me and Chris, especially the places we hunted, the winds were not good most of the time, and and the winds were like one to two miles an hour a lot. We had some terrible just absolute quiet woods. Can't move your head without like feeling like a dear's gonna either see you or hear you from thirty yards, you know. And so just that was the one of the biggest struggles. Otherwise, I do think, uh, if we'd had decent winds, different decent wind speeds especially, we would have been able to kill I mean, I had so much swirling going on where I was at it. If I could have just banked on a wind to be somewhat consistent, then I could have put myself in the right tree, just off and killed. But I couldn't because we've literally this morning we sat on the ground and had uh everything from a very much southeast to a straight west. Also think that hunting these things out of a tree is the way to go. Yeah, I think they're too keen to be not to be killed. But if you want to hire all the success being a tree. Well, and one thing I noticed hunting on the ground is um, this property is an awesome property and has some really good native grasses that are tall. Dude, you want to talk about make an arrow go haywire And you didn't even know there was anything in the way. So we were I mean, we had some white tails come through at thirty five last night. Barely could even see them from most of the whole way through. Man, when we were sitting, we could overlook a pasture um of good grass, and when the white tail walked across that pasture, all you could see was ahead. Uh. And there was times when access or white tail would just disappear. Yeah, So I mean, I I'm with you on that the the tree thing is the way to go. Um. I didn't want to be on the ground, but with the winds being so weird, that's where we ended up. And and when you don't know much about a property, Yeah, Gregg and I got in this situation. We talked about it. Uh. If you are on the ground and you're just like, oh, man, if I was eighty yards over there, I'd be in the game. You can do that, whereas like if you're gonna tree in a saddle, then you're kind of like I just couldn't move. But there's a lot more commitment to yeah, for sure. Yeah, and I man, I just uh, I don't know that. I felt like the whole time the wind was was giving me fits a little bit. Um. I don't think the access ever found my hay bill too much where I was at, because we hunted a couple of times and didn't see any anything really moving to it. Last night we were on the ground and saw two does actually moving towards it. Um, But we were hunting off of it ull and they ended up spooking. But for what I don't know what reason they were, they weren't looking at us. I think there was white tails maybe eating over there. We had a dope come into the hay belt. So here's another thing on this side note from the side note of the side note here, um uh, these deer are not used to being baited with hey, I don't think so it's gonna take a little while to learn that. And they were finally learning it, I think yesterday to come to this stuff. So, uh, there's that whereas like you hunt a place that's like been baited for two weeks, they're gonna know, like I'm gonna eat that for sure. But we had a deer come in by herself like access though I'm about smoke, and I'm kind of like trying to coordinate with Greg when he's got footage out it because I guess what, guys who film our stuff, that's why you like it, so don't get you know. But um anyways, uh, she I'm at full draw, everything's quiet, nothing is wrong, wind is good, and then she just decides to flip out, like just made her mind up that she's gonna freak out. I wasn't looking at us or nothing. That a tree between me and her. That's a doughe thing. So they just kind of have this nature about them to just be speaking. Yeah, for sure. I don't know if it's because of the tigers they deal with in India or what. You know, it's uh, that's exactly what it is. Do you think that's I think it's a big part. I mean I kind of feel like it could be too. Man, It's like that's an innate thing. That's why why the species has um survived, you know and existed, because there's they don't get eaten by tigers all the time. You know, the dodo bird didn't last too long, you know what I mean with a stick, they ain't gonna um. But I you know some of the things that like I would probably do different next time. Um, for one, I would Uh So where I ended up hunting I think was an okay spot. But we this is this is we made every move we made I felt good about and we made it because of what we were observing, right, Um, what we observe, what is this clown doing. What we observe is you know, potentially a pattern or sometimes it may be an anomaly. And so what we observed the first evening is we're driving down the road and this is a this is like a middle of nowhere county road with our property on both sides of it. Right we Uh, We're driving down the road and two acts is go shooting across. One's a tiny little buck, the other one might have been like a little six month old buck. Uh, And they shoot across the road in the spot, and I mean case kind of Oksey says, well, that's where they're going. That's security right there, and I I I don't doubt that it was. And I decided that that was correct. And now looking at it, I think that there was something in they heard us coming down the county road or whatever, and it just they went to a different spot than they would have if they were naturally crossing. I think that it might have been opposite that they were leaving security and they just went ahead and got on their horse and got onto where they were trying to go. Yeah, yeah, that's potentially something too. And and so we ended up putting a hay bill right where they went left to you know, go or whatever, and then went across across the creek next the road. And so I was like, well, this is gonna be good. I drew Uh. We did a rock paper scissors the next morning for who you know who wanted to choose the spot, and I chose this spot because we saw access there. I was like, Hey, yeah, let's do this. Man. There's they're gonna be hanging out right in there. You know, there's some good trails, there's alf alpha block there. I go in there and you know, see a bunch of white tails, see some access the first morning, but I saw both two groups of access a cross like a twenty yards from there, and basically from then on, every access that I saw acrossed in that same area. And I just wonder if the truck just spooked them into a place they don't always go. Uh, they maybe wanted to go somewhere, but the truck kind of caught him off guard or something like that. We actually had a little bit of wind, I think the first day we got there, because the front had just rolled in and was pushing out and so maybe they didn't hear us coming down the county road very well or something. Anyway, Um, I I think that I could sit there for five days and probably shooting access. But I think I know that if I sat where I ended up two days in a row, on a on a good wind, I would for sure she won, like I know, you know what I mean at least, so it was kind of like all my moves were just you know, like we always do. We make hard decisions on like on the daily, on the hourly sometimes to try to put ourselves in a better position that afternoon or that next morning, and sometimes you just don't what you see is actually the anomaly and it's not the That was my case where I hunted, you know, you drew first straw, first choice or whatever, brought paper scissors and I got second, and um, my spot end up being better that first morning, But I think that that was somewhat the anomaly. It's not a bad spot by any means, but it was just where they were that day. And then I continue to just kind of have the same whole hum, whole hum. Well I'm trying to say, almost killed the dough the next day though, but she was the only access we saw, you know, by ourselves, So it wasn't like just killer spot where this is you know, the zoo doors are open over here. You know. It's kind of seeing the way the first morning. Um. But that's the thing with like we don't really know everything about these critters. I do think so the first morning we had a north wind um and that's the only north wind and hunting on that property, and it's all a bunch of deer, and I kind of wonder if there's something to that, and it's hard to tell without a ton of yeah research. We we didn't leave any cameras on this place or anything. We don't know when we'll be back, so we don't know too much about it. But at least I did see that the morning we had north winds, we saw more access and then we hunted some south winds there and didn't see a ton, So maybe there's something to it. But like it's almost like there's no killer spots with these things. They're just you're on a prom at they do. They're still like bad spots. I think, like you don't want to hunt the top of the hill, whether it's just cedars and you see you know, but like I think, uh, yeah, in on that roaming thing, if you take a white tail and a pig and kind of mix some of the different like habits, you kind of get that they are small spotted elk. I think they are a lot like hill Man. They kind of have harems and they'll go a couple of days over here, and they'll go spend a couple of days over the nomadic, which that's kind of the pig aspect I was talking about, is like they'll be here for a little bit and then they'll be over there, and you know, you just can't really like pattern them too well sometimes and and uh they also they also, I think, well, spend time in the open a little more than a white tail, do I see? This is the thing that I think that they really do that I'm just trying trying to learn. So used to hunt white tail, right, so you just find the the thickest stuff that you can still hunt, and that's a good spot to hunt. White tails often, um access tend to like almost bed and some thick stuff, but want to be able to get out in the open really quick and then walk through the open because they are more grazers than white tail are. Like, how many times do we see deer eating the duke is grass that exists? The five bucks that I had coming on the other low fence property, the five bucks that I had coming towards me, dude, they they came out in this corner and I'm hunting like probably a hundred twenty yards from a wheat field from the corner, and I'm hunting on a tree line and they come out in like think of the field is going like kind of north and south this opening and then there's a wheat field and they kind of think of it as a southwest corner. And they come out in the northeast corner of this open field that's just duke grass, like you said, and they go along kind of the north fence line. They're kind of working their way towards me, especially this one big bull is working towards me. And they get out in the very middle of this like duke grass pasture that's like at least two yards yeah, and they just start uh grazing in this do this d g P, you know, and like they're just I don't know what they're eating. It looks like, uh a mode road ditch, you know that's just dead grab like dead coastal bermuda or something, and they're just grazing it like cattle. I mean, like to the point that they just stopped in the middle and eight for fifteen minutes and hardly moved it off. And I'm sitting here the same thing. We're just like trying to like make moves on this group and they just did a little tiny figure eights for twenty minutes in the middle of something that you're like, there ain't no way there's anything to eat there. Yeah, I mean with rifles, we could have killed some Max, It's really easy. Yeah, you know, yeah, not not. I mean not like I'm not necessarily it's saying like a big buck or anything, and we could have killed some stuff. And and I know you're not trying to do this, but just to say, like, I'm not trying to complain, like, oh no, it's just the fact of it. And we choose to put that limit on ourselves in this situation. We're fine with it. Dude. It's fun, dude, it's cool. I like being close stuff me to dude's I like hold my breath for long time periods of time. Just losing brain sells no, but it it, you know, I do. I guess what I'm saying is the video's worth watching because there is footage they just didn't quite get the bow range, you know what I mean. If we'd have been gun hunting, we could have definitely put something, you know, put a kill on the video for you. But for the guys that are bloodthirsty or whatever, but that's not me. I love going out and just nature walking in my bow. Perfect. So yeah, anyway, the the uh, the d gps are probably a good area to check if you're wanting to. I think a pop up blind him be sick. Dude, you got in the middle that d g P with a pop up blind, put a bunch of dead grass on top of it, and then just when they're not looking, just pop up and shoot them. Chris and I did, Oh you mean like a like a um like yeah, like yeah, what do they called layout blind? Yeah? Layout blindly? A layout would be awesome. D Like, what if you what if you had buckshot and so then they take off running you just fold them up with Buckshot's sick? That would be sick that you don't take that idea. Um oh man, sorry, I kind of got some indigestion stuff going on, you know, old man. So what is the what is the tactic that kills axes? Like? Is it observe? I feel like it's observation for us right now, like we have to watch and learn and make moves. And Greg and I I say Greg and I because uh, I bounce ideas off of Greg all the time when we're hunting. He's good Huh, he's a good hunter. Um, and uh he's getting pretty stiff with a camera to he'sa nailing some footage. But we tried the sit it out and wait on it to work and we kind of ran in that time. Yeah, I think we're in a good spot and it was worth doing. Um. And so I've kind of had this thing going on where, uh it's like some other people we know where when you think you might have the best spot, you don't want to hop around and burn a couple of others because then you're kind of like get a little greedy, you know. Like I'm like, well, I'll just stay over here and it's a good spot, and I'll let uh Tyler and Chris make some moves and stuff. And um, I think that this evening we could be there and possibly killing a deer and maybe a buck because there if I sat there a week, a good bucket walk by. Yeah. So I didn't move, I didn't move more than a hundred yards, but my movements mattered because I legit if I'd have been sitting there yesterday morning, I would have killed a buck, you know, if I make a good shot and this this uh. And then the last night we sat there and we didn't actually have we had white tails do we need them too? We didn't have access access to it. Um. But then this morning I felt really good about it again and we legit should have killed. But the wind was so just and this is where it got to where it was like last day, I'm just gonna hunt a bad wind, you know. I mean, it's not like who knows what it is, but it's not great because it's it's southerly and it's just wafting all over the place. And you know, lo and behold, we had access barked at us like within fifty yards at like seven thirty this morning. I'm talking, I legit alon musk rocket Field out of my shoes this morning. When that until every time I laugh I coughed, Tyler texted me Dad, I was laughing at the stand and it was coughing in the stand. So it wasn't a good combination. But I mean what I'm my point is like I made the right moves. It wasn't that far, but it was just it's those micro moves that we talked about and that's where I got to. When I got to the point of I moved a hundred yards, then it became like ten yards can make the difference here, and and and if I just sat in a tree that I really wanted to sit and sit in, if they came down the main trail, it was gonna be a long shot. But where this access was when it blew, I was fixing to shoot about a probably thirty or under thing. If he had come out, and I was probably ten yards difference, and there's a high chance that my wind barely misses the sucker. So I was pretty pretty just you know, it's just those that's the difference. A lot of times since I was about to the point where I was ready to like surrender my good spot to go try another spot. Like if we were there another day and none of y'all claimed that uh moundary that we talked about as like the spot you wanted to go the next morning, I would probably be like, Hey, if somebody wants to hurt my spot, I'm gonna go over there, because we saw enough consistent movements for a couple of days. Actually, um, because that's where Old half Rat came out with his buddies the first morning, Um, the same spot, the same area, and they're crossing right there. Um. So like it's it's the thing to do right now is to just way and learn and make moves on. So from there on, it's like, okay, how do we do that, but also manipulate the behavior of these things. Um. One thing I did is I went over so where while I was hunting, there was a couple of trails like these access went through his big thicket and then it necked down and they would like have to kind of go through a catty corner to get to the next thicket. And that's where I was hunting. Well, uh, one of those trails led them onto the uh adjoining property. So I went over and found me a big old oak log and kind of put it across that trail. That way it would direct them over to me a little bit more. It didn't work yet, but maybe that'll stay there for a while and sooner or later they'll adjust their movements around that and it'll work. So like there's those little type micro moves or whatever that you can do. But also this is where I'm gonna crowdsource. If you are listening and you're an access hunter and you have some experience at this. I want to learn about calling these things and about men with them and if it's really effective and how you have had success doing it. So if you've got any ideas or thoughts on that, send us a message. Also, if you uh might like my chance, have a place that there's a bunch of access on and you want us to hunt it. I ain't opposed to a message context new pieces, the first light Year or something. We canna work something that, you know what I say. But I got some stuff at least, Yeah you don't. You don't want air qu stuff, but are use stuff is pretty y. Yeah, that's right. I just doesn't have all the Barbara, no tape, no brown stings, none that stuff. Whoa, he's he's on a carbonivore diet, carbonivoid dan. So I want to know if you can uh bark at these things or if you can roar at these things and have them come mess with you. Um, I don't think that you could spot in stalk n access dear. Yeah they see well, man, they do do they receive and there's usually a lot of eyes. Yeah, I you know, I think that they're actually so the bulls especially have like a wide head, but they have like wider heads than white tells. I feel like it gives them an extra perspective, like a bull top head. Yeah, you know, not like so the the distance in the eyes gives them like a better depth perception. I don't know, but they are keen and they're a lot of fun. I'm very glad that we got to go do this to man, I'm thankful for gracious people who too. Man, the ask is hard. One of the guys we were hanging with you were like, I don't understand why y'all are doing this, Like why you all helpful? You need to know somebody for a while you can kind of ask them some questions, like you and these other people are really helpful. Why is that? And he kind of implied that he appreciated it. We put stuff on film and kind of and I'm not trying toot our own horn by any means, just what the guy said and kind of anything to help promote, uh, you know, youth into hunting that he was all about. And it's not like that's are in We're not like, you know, they take a kid hunting foundation or anything. But at the same time, we try to make things family friendly and make it fun. And that's what attracts the younger generations, you know, like uh, the lone wolf mentality of like this is terrible and I do it because I hate myself. It's not very appealing to gen z, you know. So uh, you know, having fun and going ding liver King makes it look fun. You know what I mean? It's fun. He was, so, I don't know if y'all know, I even you know, if you were doing it all Natty, it wouldn't be that fun. Liver King has done gone all Maddie and also anti sea doll And was at the Chick fil a drift of the other day talking to people about seagulls because he was like, what else can I do? That's uh, he optimized. Right now, He's not he's not dumb. Also, he's a good businessman for she is man. He's a he's a different shading. Oh man, Donald been get out a little bit. I think, how are you gonna kill your first access to Tyler with a bow? I don't know that actually, but I would like to um and I'll say this. I found a shed, like I mentioned earlier, probably to the half rack buck you saw. Uh, it's cool, man, it's heavy, like it's a it's fresh. But um, if I he's not like a monster, but he's a nice buck. And if I shot that deer with a bowl, especially on just like a free range, you know, kind of do it yourself deal man, would I just be like on Cloud nine? Man? That would be so cool. Um, but my my first access if I'm gonna give you a quick little setup. Um, okay, here's my ideal. I would be in a live oak tree and I would be able to shoot out from it so it's not too gnarly and droop down on the ends of the limbs. I would have some shots from a live oak tree, and I would like to shoot that axis at about twenty six yards broadside, uh, using a trail. Because they are fairly nomadic, it seems like a little bit a little habitual to they will and and habitual I think they will. They definitely like when they go somewhere, they go, you know, and so um, I think as they move around. Yeah, and I would like to think I'm I would be shooting one that's going between pieces of thick cover. Sounds pretty good. Probably going back to betting, or vice versa. I want to shoot my first one uh on the frontal when I roy him in. I don't know about baby, that sounds if you talk about ideals, that sounds like ideal to me, But I don't know. I hope to do it soon. Man. It's a it's a neat deal, and we're blessed to have the opportunity to go do that, and we're very thankful to those who have helped us with that. One of those guys um being Buddy Jesse Griffiths. He sent us a couple of different ways to kind of maybe get some some help. He's not gonna do that for you, so, but he does, in fact do something called the New School Traditional Cookery where he does these classes where you do get to go on a hunt and kill something and it'll help you butcher and cook and learn how to prepare the wild game. Really neat deal. So if you wants help, that would be a cool thing to do. Go by the Hog Book because they've got some awesome recipes and cool things in there as well. And we'd love to support Buddy Jesse. Uh So go to the kind guy man. He's like just as super dude and a great chef and very helpful and also in the same way that we got kind of the nod towards helping uh kind of portray hunting correctly. He does a really good job of that. So good representative. Man. You've got to be bros with. So remember to be a good bro yourself. Okay, if you know somebody who might need a little guidance out in the woods, help him out. Don't give him your spot, you know, because and then you might not have a good spot. Help out. Give the number two whatever. It's always good to two dang it. Uh uh he golli, it's it's always good to try to um, you know. Here's the deal, man. It's like, uh, there's a real cheesy way to present things like, oh, we need to do this certain way, and there's this formula to make sure hunting keep it going. But honestly, if you just pour your heart into something and act out of the kindness that is within you, then it's gonna work out a whole lot better than if you like try to do things for social media. Attention creates passion. It's it, man, Just show people what you care about, and the people you care about showing what you care about and it's gonna work out just fine. So remember to be passionate rapping it's not, and remember this is your own living it

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