00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Casey and I'm Tyler and you're listening to the Element podcast. What's happening all with people? The white Tail weather Man here with you today. I used my eyes when I try to talk formally, you know, like when I'm just talking with you, ish like I'm just coming along from White Tails. But uh, yeah, I know we're we're gonna visit with a couple of Southern dudes by the way today about some turkey hunting we are. We've had Steven Spurlock on the podcast, um and so with him and one of his buddies that does a chasing forty nine thing. Yeah, we're gonna have them on, so looking forward to that. But in the meantime, we've been sitting here chatting in the rain because that's what it does every day in East Texas this time of year. And uh, we've been scouting a little bit. We've been thinking a little bit. We've been thinking about the application process TESSES. First thing. Our plans for the day change because of the weather pretty much because we were trying to decide when we're gonna go turkey hunting. We're gonna get to um as long as like the world doesn't lock down, which I don't think it's going to. In fact, great Greg Abbott, our prestigious governor, said that hunting and fishing is an essential activity right now, so we'll get to clear y'all clear, you'll be like us so not not really everything's cool, but anyways, we were gonna go hunt this weekend, but there's a toad detty cold front rolling through. It's it's going to be the exact same opening day as it was last year. Yeah, yeah, like where it's pretty good for us. But yeah, well the morning was tough is it going to be now? We're not gonna get that. That was actually the Sunday first year, that was the frosty day. And it's not gonna get that cold. It's gonna get down to like forty four or something like that. Um so let's be like fifty six is a high tomorrow, isn't it? Yeah, And it's supposed to be like in about an hour right now, is gonna have a cold from this is Friday and like it's gonna drop into the fifties by three o'clocks. I know my shorts are gonna get dated real quick. But I've had trouble with the shorts this year or so far. So you wearing your dad's socks to make up their stage. I can't. I can't make them. I've tried and tried and try to make them look cool and they don't like you know, if if these are black. By the way, y'all can't see this, but these are gray socks, they're tall like uh, whether these crew when you call them crew or just tube anyway, they're gray. And if they're black, I look like an athlete. If they're gray, you look you cannot look any other thing than white boy dad, you know what I mean? Like that is what you are, which that's what you are too, So uh, blow the ankle socks and we're still yeah, I know. And and uh, you were singing this when you got even you showed up earlier, but you were singing lion king just can't wait to be keen. And then you said it was king sized. It was actually right, No, I said, uh what I say? Uh? Oh, I just gain weight. It's not can't wait, it's game weight. So I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I added that was good side. Yeah, to be king side. You pretty much can't get your morning workout schedule is pretty messed up from actually did a good workout today. Yeah. I called my mom in for assistance and she came. I thought, you're gonna stay for training, no um, and she like kind of took care of the baby in the morning. So I got to go out and I was like, Okay, I meet Tyler. I'm gonna do a thirty minute workout because I'm pretty bad about dragging it out. And so I got after it and did pretty good. Uh shoulder complex, bench, um, chest stuff, a bunch of kettlebells and stuff like that. So pought myself in a running this morning. I needed to so bad. I started out real slow because I ran actually had sprints. Uh, I'm talking like percent. I ran the I did, uh you know, run the streets, walk the curves, you know. Had whooped whooped myself and so like, I've been sore for like two days now, and so I was like, I gotta get something slacked, assid out or get just loosened up. Because then yesterday I woke up, came out here. Of course, I have my clothes on and I look and I hear something or actually I had to I've been leaving my door open. I hear something out in the woods and there's like a giant sounder of hogs right over here, and so they're like heading for the road, you know, and they're gonna cross over away from my property. So I'm like, straight up Forrest Gump, take off down my driveway around the corner, and I'm going I'm cooking, dude, like I'm getting it. And I get right in the middle of that sound or out in the road over here, and they started freaking out. Dude. They were just going crazy. And then all these little babies. I could have easily picked one up. There were souths everywhere and I couldn't see them scared. Just throw it ain't worth it, man, Like I said, I'm a dad. You know if one of the things jumps up against my it. What ain't worth it is whenever you're cold and then you take off on a dead spring after pigs. That's when the hammys go to teking. I was about to say, is on the walk back, I was like, oh, man, I am very close to a pulled hamstring now. And so this morning I got up and I was like, I gotta run. So I ran two miles basically, which is three times around, and uh, pretty good. The first lap was furthest you've ever ran about. Yeah, that's I've never distance. So I ran real slow the first one and then I warmed up and I kind of cooked the last two pretty good. But I wasn't like getting dizzy or nothing like I have before. But it's good. What to go. We're getting ready for some westernly hunt western e ones. Yeah, I'm actually putting in for a hunt that I've got um some points for that. I think I'm gonna draw this year. So I'm excited about that, and we'll dive old you more of that information after uh after shuts down. Then you can't draw it anywhere, right, That's right. I might have the points for it, but I think I'm just gonna go ahead and just being can't man caller, I can't. I literally can't hunt Elk without you because I'm pretty much just spot stalk at that point, which is not a bad way to be honestly, But it's more fun to call him, I think. So, Yeah, dude, how cool. I've been thinking about a little bit, like, Man, there's some cool stuff that happened last year, even though obviously we came away a little bit disappointing. But yeah, crazy cool. Think about how cool that is. But take a hundred and fifty inches off of the handler and then now we're talking. Now we're talking. Actually, it's kind of nice when it's that way because it's like, um, depending on what states you go to, it's kind of like it was just a rag though. You know, whenever you mess something up, you know, when you mess up at three sixty plus, it's like, where's my pocket half? I gotta do I gotta do something right now, it's just a six he's got he's got a exactly. But there's that. There's some other hunts too that we're gonna be going on there pretty physically taxing and quite honestly, Um, the way we do whitetail is not the sit around and talk about tree stand snacks very much, although pop tarts are the conversation quite a bit. But like, but on the ground, pop tarts are in the conversation. You know what I mean. It ain't just a tree stand snack. A pop tart is a snack snack. It's a breakfast snack. Like that is the deer hunting breakfast snacks. Breakfast Hey, by the way, you were talking about tire King to the day, and I didn't have clue what you're talking about. WHI shows my disconnect from society. But I uh looked into it as in Wikipedia and realized that this Joe Exotic guy that I think Anthony Warren has been on the podcast a few times. I figured we figured this out on the phone together. I thought it was when I was turning with my band that we picked us up. But and we were in Oklahoma, I think southern Oklahoma, and I guess I was with Anthony because we were talking about this just a couple of days ago, and we stopped in a community store and they were Joe Exotic for President stick ers in the convenience store, and when picked him up, and I may have one in storage right now from this is from going to be from probably, So it's you know, I was in the know five years ago. Now I don't really care about it. And I talked to my sister about it, and she's like, you don't need to watch it. It's like I've heard it's kind of reaking weird, man. So she she was just like, this is it's weird stuff. And there's like a lot of just debauchery and crazy stuff. So I was like, yeah, I probably waste my time, but we're gonna trade that sticker or whatever you have for some toilet paper and gas money when it comes. Yeah, if we can, if we can, uh, if I can actually get a house to move into by the end, Oh you can, and you will. You think we're about to look at a blouse plan here in a second. Oh did my wife set this up with you? We talked about last night. She was no earlier. She was like, this casey coming to look at the house plan because I told her you were coming over and she was I was like, no, he's coming to podcast. I was like, she was mad at me, and she was like she of course didn't communicate the fact that y'all I talked about it, but uh yeah, cool, Yeah, that's all playing today. So, um, what we're gonna talk about, Oh, I don't know. So we've been scouting, scouting, scouting, That's that's what we're gonna talk about. Okay, I'm gonna let you' all in on one of the scouting secrets of the element. Okay, this is listen. This is good. No, this is good. This is top secret stuff. Nobody. I feel like you may be the only person even using this as a scouting tool. But either way, UM, I think that, um, we need to find a way to trademark this podcast so that people start using this. We're like we were the O G S. Just just here's the disclaimer right now, other podcasters who are listening, we know who you are, and whenever you feature this, like it's your idea, we know and we're gonna call you out on it. That's all right. I try to use it because it's cool. Yeah, yeah, that's one. We're here. We're here to uh distribute information. We're trying to help people and laugh a while the laugh. So, UM, I use many tools for scouting a lot of unconventional stuff. Uh. I do a lot of phone calling uh to like government officials and stuff and trying to pick up on like a little low key stuff. I did a little bit of that recently to Donald Trump Jr. Read Donnie, Um, I like the calling. Um. But anyways, there is an app that you may have heard of, and I'll tell I'll give some credit where credits due the h This was introduced to me by another podcast crew are really more than podcast crew. Are our buddies at Landing legacy. Matt and Adam, who are all about land management, introduced me to an app called um Naturalist. Okay naturalist. I would highly suggest you download because you can take a picture of any flora or fauna out there and it will give you a really good estimation as to what species or what the name is of that thing that you're looking at. So people take pictures of bugs a lot, in different types of grass and trees. I use it a lot for for trees because I'm really interested in like the smaller shrubby trees and stuff that grow in the understore because that's what deer eat a lot of times. UM, So I use a lot for that. I've taken picture stuff all the time with it. Well, what's really neat is the way this app works is that you take a picture of something and then you publish it for other people to look at, and then it uses that as a database for other people's comparisons and whatnot. And then there's also a like universities use this thing a lot. They put put these images into databases so that like students can go and look at I guess, I guess this is what they go and look and study and see what these different types of things look like in the wild. Well, you publish that and it shows up on a map. Now you can make it to where it's kind of general and broad as to where it is like a ten square mile area, or you can make it like on the dot um, which either way is pretty cool. What you can do, as a consumer or as a civilian, whatever you wanna call it, is get on that app, use the search function and search the word deer, and it gives you a bunch of options. You can look at white tail, mule deer, blacktail, elk, moose, what PT click click on what PT and not elk because elk is actually a moose. On here gets kind of confusing. But because it's international app, I guess, I guess, so, um, that's what I stands for maybe or Internet? I don't know. Um, so what is the I and iPhone stand for? Yours my phone iPhone? So um? Anyways, instead of that, click on the family servite, which is dear or serveda however you want to say it, and then a little blue dot, a little blue icon will appear everywhere someone has taken a picture of a deer and posted it on the app. So then if you're planning an out of state trip or an interstate trip that is intrastate trip um that is, like at a new w M you've never been to or whatever. You can go and at least see the caliber and maybe a population density of what type of critters are running around out there. It's so handy for these out of state planning trips. So handy, dude, it's bad every little bit of information, manh Yeah, I'll put that disclaimer out there, like you're gonna look on that thing and be like, well, there's like three deer dots in this whole state. Well, yeah, that's fine, but like at least you can kind of see what's going on over there, and you know, a lot of times you can. I mean if it's a if it's a pretty accurate dot, then you could be like, oh, that's pretty close to public track there. Yeah, you do that. I do that a lot. In fact, there's uh, one of the states we were looking at, there's some dots on the public of stuff that we would shoot right there. So it's yeah, it's pretty cool, man, It is pretty pretty slick. So I'll actually probably show you some of that stuff in a little bit we'll not link to that in the in the strip from below. You really need to go do it for yourself. Yeah. So there was a question I had now I'm blinking on it, um about the app, and I can't remember what it was, but it was something in regards to, uh the dots, Oh have you published one? I have you have? So? Do you have to turn your location services on for that? Um? Probably, but you can do it just like wallet. And I'm scared to do that, are you? Yeah, because like, if you haven't turned them off, this is another tip for you if you're not in the know on this, but if you haven't turned like certain location services off, you send pictures to guys, oh yeah, hunting. You know, I killed this deer on public, but you won't know where. Well, if it's not turned off on your phone, you're sending the location that you took that picture. You know, you want to know something that you can do to like always circumvent that. Take the picture, screenshot the picture, delete the original, and then you've got that. Well, don't do it in the same place because it's gonna be the same same principle. But like when you're at home, screenshot that picture and that'd be the one that you send that to people. Then everybody starts hunting at your house. That's all right, good luck, good especially around here. Yeah, that's cool, man, that's good information. And in fact, you can even use it for long beards too, so to video, I mean to just take pictures of their beards and stuff. Yeah, yeah, exactly, because like for us, where turkeys actually exist is a pretty big thing. Um, So I've used it quite a bit for that and there's some surprising sidings. But you gotta also take that with a grain of salt. Like sometimes people might be like, look turkeys and they take a picture and it's kind of like an anomaly. Just because there's pictures of turkeys there doesn't mean there's a heavily populated or huntable population there. So take that with a grain of salt. But are our bros here that we're about to talk to, I don't think they really have to do that. They seem to have they're connect the Yeah, they seem to be in the know. Like they went to a state that we're going to talk about where there wasn't a whole lot of turkeys and smoked two in the first morning. Yeah, they they are some Turkey masters. They are video masters. We were talking about this before we got on like the the productions that they do, man, are awesome. And one thing that I'm guilty of lately because I've been just so hard at it working. Um, you know that this virus stuff has has made it hard on churches, and you and I have talked a lot about this recently, but um, you know, everything's kind of having to go digital, and our churches are trying to decide what's you know, biblical and everything as far as putting out digital media and worshiping everything else, well, you know that's kind of side the point. But regardless, you and I have gotten almost busier because of this because we have the like video stuff we're having to help produce for the churches and and everything like that we're doing. So it's been, uh, it's been crazy, man. Um. What's funny is that we're both in the same position pretty much. You know, we have different roles in our within our congregations, but we're still in this position. And the position is that at church, if your churchgoer, you kind of know where we're talking about here. There's the old folks and there's the youth, and then there's the very few in between, like us. I don't know what it is about our age demographic that we need more y'all there, come on, come on, go with it's okay please. Um. Yeah, so we're the one. We're like the connection between those two things, like the people who know how to like do digital stuff but actually are like I guess, sort of mature enough to help exactly. So yeah, we get real busy in times and so but at my other point I'm getting to is that I'm I haven't because I'm so busy, I haven't taken like a lot of me time or whatever you wanna call it lately, and me time you stay watching calling self care. Used to be watching a lot of films because I just like, like, I mean, it's cool to watch vlogs and stuff. And we do a lot of logs, mostly vlogs, because it's you know, easier when you're busy in that kind of thing, which we are during hunting season. But anyway, the higher production value stuff that I love, that's what I actually love doing. It's just you don't you can't make a living offen a lot very often, you know. So Um, anyway, I love watching that stuff too, especially if it's well done and and it's kind to the point where you like you can see I can't see as a filmmaker, like some of the some of these guys that are doing it are still very uh novice, I guess would be the best way to put it. At what they're doing. And so, but everybody kind of thinks they can do high production value because they have a slow motion expensive experience. Yeah, And so the the thing is when I'm getting to is that Steven is not that guy. He is a straight up expert man. He's a pro at getting just beautiful shots. He's got great gear obviously, and um, you know guys that around him that know what they're doing, which helps man, because you can't think that he'd make a good director, Like I think it's kind of what he does. Yeah, Like I think there's other guys that are doing some shooting and stuff and he's like telling them what shots to get and stuff like that. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, he does a lot of that directing and uh um storyboarding I guess and stuff. So pretty cool. But we'll get into it with them and talk a little bit about all that from their perspective and then we'll catch you guys on the other side. Did I see that smut? Okay, Today on the show, we have got Keith and Steven Spurlock of chasing forty nine fellers. What is happening a lot, buddy? How are you guys doing? We're doing good. We've been dodging rain drops all day here in East Texas. But you know, it's just part of the seasons. This year. Everything's greening up and uh, you know, the red buds have done their thing, and that means kind of one thing in the in the world of the South, is that, um, once the red buds that start blooming. You know, the Turkey season is coming up quick, right yep, souh. Have y'all been out and doing a little hunting here lately? You know, we just got back Casey. We started in Haayi Um, I think I flew out February. Um, and we've you it was the first season of coming in the USS Hawaii. So we started there. Uh. I was there for quite a while. Keith came in for about a week. I was there for almost a month just shooting and filmmaking stuff. And then um, from there we started in the southeast Alabama and Georgia this week and then we're gonnahead to South Carolina in the morning. So many are getting after it. So um for the audience member who might not know what is chasing forty nine and what's the principle behind that that phrase there? Yeah, I mean, so chasing forty nine is is obviously the pursuit of the U S Super Slam, which is um hunting and harvesting and turkey in all forty nine states that have a humble turkey population, Alaska being the outlier there. Alaska does not have a hontable turkey population. Weren't gonna do something about that? I mean, come on, you know, I gotta say I've been to a couple of states where the turkey number was pretty low, and I think the tags were representative of that. And there's one state in particular where I can tell you I was shooting a turkey and I was like, Hi, I just have a lot of conflicting about and I mean it was legitimate, like I was, I mean, yeah, there's turkeys there, but being there hunting it, I mean, I it crossed my my mind. And I would tell you that even if in Alaska opened up a hunting season. I I'd hate to say I wouldn't go because they're smarter people than I would. That would have said that there's enough of them there to be hunted. But I'm sure if if I was one of the frontiers to make it there, I would probably feel like, ah, this just feels a little bit dirty, you know, Yeah, yeah for sure. And so this is your pursuit, this is your personal passion, Uh, just you know, for right now. I mean, I think the brand of Chasing fort you and I it's it's certainly not focused around me. It's it's more about um, you know, the the U S Super slam in and of itself and kind of what that encompassed is. And and I think, um, we've tried, we've tried to grow the brand as well and really make it known. I mean, it's it's not just about today. I mean, obviously, like as conservationists UM and stewards of the bird, we need to be conscious of of harvest, we need to be conscious of habitat, we need to be conscious of how is hunters we're making sure that there's not just turkeys for us to hunt in forty nine states today, but um, you know, for for the next generation, for my nephew, um, and you know, for the kids that are coming up. I mean, it's important that people realize that you know, this is this is this is a resource. And if if we're not conscious of it and conscious of the fact that there are some states have had some bad hatches and habitat and and gradation and things of that capacity of influence their numbers, that if we're not doing things on our end to make sure that every time we're shooting a turkey, we're giving a turkey and opportunity to live as well. Um, if we're not doing our part, then and I think that that's going to be a big issue down the road. And so I think we're using the brand not only to spread the awareness of what the SLAM is, what that encompasses, and how much fun that can be, because that experiences is certainly one that that I'm fond of, um, but also making sure that that resource is available for others who want to have that opportunity, um as as they developed as turkey hunters and and look to expand their turkey hunting opportunities across the country. Sure, so Alaska doesn't have any crazy enough residents to just import some turkeys, but apparently Hawaii does. H what's the story there, like, how did turkeys get there? And what took you out there? Man? And what was the plan? So that was you know, the story of the wild turkey and haise is an interesting story. Um. And more, most groups of cod colonized the islands since I think the first turkey is probably were believed to arrived around eight and from there, you know, everybody brought various turkeys at various times to the island. Um. They were domesticated obviously, but you know, I think population probably started a little bit there in the sixties. They brought a whole bunch of rio's from your alsome state, Texas to Hawaii and they're released six hundred by the way, non native. But they've done they've done quite well. You know. I think they introduced them on four of the islands. They've done quite well on two. So um, you know, and just it's amazing. It's different country and very few predators, no ground predators. Uh, some nespredation, but no, you know, nothing nothing else walking around the ground that needs So it's a different uh. And when we saw some things behavior you know wise that you know indicate there not not quite as cautious as as the turkeys we had here in the southeast, just bus and all this stuff. What are you just roosting them in big crazy looking Jurassic Park trees and stuff? And then you know, how are you doing this? Man? So strangely enough? You know the do you think of Hawaii? Do you think of the beach? You think of the ocean? Um? You know the turkeys there actually liveing. You know, we hunted turkeys at eight elevation, which you know, at that elevation the trees were about head high and uh we watched gobblers roosted in trees six ft off the ground. Hu which trains you know, you wonder how the loop can hold him up there. But you know, the turkeys on the island the very in my elevation from sea level, I mean I found I found literally on the beach, uh strut marks all the way to nine thousand feet. Uh. Man, that's a long strut. He didn't went the whole way. No, that's cool. That's cool. Though. Man, is there a uh like any niche that those turkeys are feeling off like a native species? It used to be there and they're kind of replacing it or they're kind of making their own way. You know. As far as I know, there's a prolific population of a number of bird game bird species on the island. Uh. You know, that's a lot of upland bird type hunting opportunity on the island. Um. And I'm not sure which of those species were native, to be honest with, basically, I don't think any of them weren't. Uh, you know, and when you look at it, you know, and it's very strange. Throughout my my month there, I saw everything from you know, big groups turkeys look like they were still winter flocked all the way through pols that were flying, flying pols. You know, they're you know, they're getting up there. The hatch state had been back a little bit, so just amazing, you know, without being said, they're growing seasons so long now there you know, the weather conditions, it is not like they have a substantsion wind um, you know. So it was pretty diverse in that in that Yeah, yeah, that is cool man. So y'all are going out there and it's not just a hunt, you know, it's a it's a high end production. If and if if you're listening. You ever watching any of the any of the stuff that that Chasing forty nine puts out? I the one that comes to mind. I've watched a couple of years videos. They're all cool, but man, the uh the Gold's one from last year, right, that was the most stat of the bone tucky from every sea of life. So we'll link to that below in the description. But uh, what all goes into like why were you there for a month before Keith showed up? And like what's that all about? You know? So I got there number one, I wanted to chuse to hang out and the why for a while, Yeah, I understand, Yeah, you know, so I looked at it as an opportunity to do that, and I actually I started out the first week in the trip. I was with some really good friends of mine at No Matter Outdoor UM working with them on on their hunts. And then after that I had about a week before Keith arrived, and I honest, I went out and I you know, I shot a lot a lot of photography work and I did a lot of I don't think I probably need to shoot any more time lapses for a while. Yeah, I think I think we're pretty maxed out on that. Uh what did that sort of stuffs gouting a little bit and just you know, just enjoyed and enjoyed the enjoyed the free time and also got shoot a lot of really stuff. Yeah, y'all, Uh did you get cheap flats home because of this whole virus deal? So my I think I was supposed to be there twelve days, ended up being there for about three and a half. And if I booked my flight home, I don't know, roughly thirty six hours before I got on it, which should have been a significant amount of money to have made that type of flight change. It was free. It was zero dollars. I literally did not say, yeah, already six hour thirty six hour, you know, rebooking and it didn't cost any dollars. So tomser that question. Yes, And I actually watched the airfare pretty significantly to book that one. And I think the cheapest I had gotten it too was you know, just just a little bit chi a thousand bucks caught. And the day before I left, for two days before I was leaving, I looked at booking the same flight, and that flight was a half um. If I had booked two days before man virus yet yea, So how does this affect like your plans going forward this spring? Are you gonna have to miss out on some hunts and stuff? Yeah, I mean it's it's um, you know, I think I think where everybody's watching it pretty closely day by day. Um. You know, the um you know, shelter in place and stay at home orders are obviously a significant one. You need to read that language pretty closely, um, and and see just where it goes on on in state travel across these states as well, um, and what orders you're doing. It's definitely becoming becoming increasingly challenging. We're seeing state lands and other recently hunting opportunity resources. They're they're simply closing down the hunting there now, which is absolutely ridiculous if if I do say so myself, Like, I mean, let's take the most um you know, secluded pastime or passion that someone can have and then do away with it. That way, they have to go and spend more time with more people, you know, Like I don't. We haven't ranto that in Texas as much, but um, there's there's some big stretches of beaches in Texas, like not just like a party beach, but like you know, miles and miles of stuff, and they're closing down these beaches that people can't go out there and fish and you know, and be super secluded, and it just doesn't make a lick of sense to me. So that was just anecdotal. You got that one for free, so sorry. I think being hyper conscious right now is is probably good because I think that the biggest concern obviously is the occupancy of the hospitals and and and the further the virus spreads, the more limited the hospital availability that can can be UM for folks. So I think that's a big concern. So I certainly appreciate the fact that states are putting certain parameters on it UM. I think that closing down some of the public lands is a little bit challenging to accept, especially in some of these states where you've already got tags that you paid for it stuff. I personally have a state UM that I'm planning to go to and i UM. I I actually put in for two areas in the state on two different types of tags UM and that was by happenstands because I planned that back in October when I had to put in and I heard two tags in this state for two different types of land, and it's just, you know, in my mind, it's just the Lord's will that I did that because my first bag has now been closed, and so we are pivoting now now, Like you know, we were essentially supposed to get on the road here in a week and head out to start to hunt that tag in you know, roughly eleven days or so, and so that's been canceled and so now I'm pivoting and and you know, trying to get off with work, and UM, gonna have to push those dates out so I can hunt that ladder tag that I that I had gotten just as a backup. And I've talked a lot about this people about slam, you know, kind of chasing the slam. You always have to have backup plans for your backup plan, and in this case, I can only actually have to. But it's kind of like, Um, I said that a lot, and it's a testament to it, because ultimately I didn't have that second tag. I mean, that's that's one of the that's one of the states. I haven't shopped Turkey in sou but yeah, I think it's gonna be tough. I mean, personally, I don't know how long these states are gonna let you rub through their borders. I really don't. And because of that, we're trying to hunt as much as we can right now because I don't know that May. I don't know that May is gonna give us the same opportunities that today has. And while we have them, I think that everybody, if you have the opportunity, should utilize it. So, you know, there seems to be a sense of urgency of what you got going on. And whenever you have forty nine states to to cross off, I'm sure you have to kind of always be scheming and trying to make it happen. But are you trying to wrap it up this year? Is that why? Such like an essential thing? Are you gonna get your forty nine state? And that's why you know it's it's a worrisome thing. Yeah, I mean, I mean, if it's the Lord's will, Um, I've got two states left now? Yeah, And uh yeah, I was. I guess when I kind of started this thing off, I had said to myself, like, you know, I'd like to do this in five years, um, And I think that that was for a lot of different reasons when I said it, But I think it makes makes sense when you start to just think through, like how how a person's life can change at our age over the course of five years. Like you know, you could loose job or get a new job, and you might have maybe you have financial resources today, but you don't have time off right, um, and you don't know how those deaths and clothes are gonna work. Or maybe you meet uh, maybe you meet someone and you get married and then you have kids and then all of a sudden, you know you've got a newborn. When the dirty teas is here, we just can't really, that's yeah. And so I just think that, you know, I think when I started, I was like, oh, I need to be conscious of how life could change, and if I'm gonna try to maybe really do this, I think I should really try to do it. And so this this would be my fifth year, and I've just you know, it's not that I have to finish in five years. It's just that I kind of planned because of my life and what you know, the avail ability to hunt and you know, time off and the means to be able to say being together, how does that affect the production side of things, Stephen just being in kind of a kind of a you know, hurry some some kind of manner. I guess, well, you know, so we we do a general rule on our on our newter state slam states footage no footage for shooting. Um with that's you know, that's just the way we've done it. And you know, Keith and I we talked about it, and I think we've ad so maybe two states we're having the camera there. I asked them not to shooter Turkey that was available to be shot. Um. I'm not just part of it, but in a lot of states, and especially when we get when we get on tough onuns, you know, we try not to an inhibit keeps ability to move through states, although it just inherently you have more people in the woods. Uh, you know, just there's inherent problems that have things at all times. And you know, and and really the only reason it works is Keith and I when we're up together we were twelve years old. Um, we can get angry at each other, and you know, like we we go through trials and tribula, we can go through all that and at the end of the day we're filling it together. Yeah, and that's and that's the key. Uh. Yeah, you guys know that with the film and stuff, sometimes it just doesn't it doesn't always work out right. And because a neat thing about turkeys is in comparison with deers, there's there's generally another turkey. Uh you know, we mess up on one, which we do. Um, you know, we gotta generally we have another thing we can helpfully make up for long production side. Um. But yeah, we we try really hard to keep the production from affecting the pace we want to work at. Um. And uh, dude, I mean running on zero sleep and driving across the country. I mean there's times and stuff for sure, but we uh you know, and then a lot of these projects, I'm always there and a lot of times we have a second shooter there as well, so at least one of us who's running a camera to spending a little fresh or trying to spet a little fresh. Um. But yeah, it takes, it takes a big group effort, takes everybody being committed spot that um, you know, definitely adds an element to the whole thing. That's it's been a lot of fun. You know, we've we've learned a lot alot of the way we're we're all about that element. Man, you gotta have that in there. So, like we look at some of these states, I mean, some of these states we go to, we definitely just know that there's lower turkey densities, right, So on some of these states that we go to where we feel like turkey density is a little higher. You know. Um, you you you're owing the roost, you're hearing multiple turkeys, and and that's the expectation because that where you went there knowing that that was a state with good turkey numbers. That's where we really try to key in and like, you know, make sure that that those hunts really count. And fortunately, like Steven said, I think only like two times as he ever literally told me, you know, no, don't don't, don't shoot that turkey, um, which which I obviously appreciate. Um, But what we we have been fortunate where we've found ways to make up for that. But quite frankly, you know, I'll be the first one to say and like, if you're watching one of our films because you want to see turkey's heads get rolled, like I don't, I don't know that you're watching it for the for the same reason that we're making it, because like, yes, you're gonna harvest turkeys, like when you're chasing the Slam, you're going to these states and the goal is to shoot turkeys like that, that's true. But if you just want to go see a bunch of turkeys get shot, like I would say, just you know, and you just want to see like a glory reel of that, he's probably something you're gonna go google on YouTube. But if you want to understand the experience and goes into slam and why this thing is so special, maybe to inspire you to feel like that's something that I think I would enjoy and that that makes me want to maybe and if not to be paying forty safe, but it makes you think like I would really like the opportunity to go hunt abroad in another state and I would like to see what that's like and feel that type of passion. That that's what we're going for. That's why it I think that it's it's fine from the theme and what we have produced um and I think that's that's what we want to show as well. If it's to us, it's not about to shoot in a bunch of turkeys and just making a glory all that. Yeah. Sure, and man, that's like, you know, this is kind of the first time. You know, I've got to talk um, and your passion for this just like shows through just tremendously, you know. And uh not that that Stephen is a passion about too, but I can tell it's just you know, this is something you eat and breathe. Um, where did they come from? Like? When when did this start? Did I developed over the past five years? I mean, if I've always really enjoyed turkey hunting, my brother Um definitely taught me how turkey hunt. I went on my dad. I didn't start hunting until I was like fourteen. I don't think I even shot my first turkey till huntil I was like seen years older. So um, but I don't know, I just learned to love the gobble. Um. I learned to embrace the fact that you could immediately execute strategy on them. Um. I've become increasingly um fond of that because I'm like, dear, I mean, I know you guys are big deer hunters, and I certainly share that as well. Um, you know, that's that's a that's a prolonged strategy and a lot of factors and variables have to come together over over um over a timeline, I would say in most cases, right and in Turkeys. With turkeys, you can you can process that information in real time and you can start to execute a strategy, you know, imediately based on the information you have. And and just being able to kind of execute on that um and and to be able to go to different areas and see different part of the country and meet new people and find that you know, Tom Kelly wrote about the tent legion and and and it's amazing, uh, the the the amount of relevance and and and honesty that that holds because it is a brotherhood. And you'll find that as you start to travel and you meet these random hunters on public land, and it's just this whole process that you really love. It's the it's the stranger that you don't know that become best friends. It's the fact that you're going to experience something that you're never gonna forget, and you don't know if that's gonna be what I have learned, You're you're gonna find all along the way. It's uh, it's just become a lifestyle that captivates you, and you you build a group of friends that surround you with the same passion, and it's just something special that you're always gonna have UM as you go forward. I just don't know that there's a lot of other forms of hunting that share that type of fear and collaborative passion and fear. Um, your joyfulness when when you can assist or help other people be successful around UM. And I think that's what makes turkey hunting fecal. That's cool. Yeah, So man, that's just so well said Stephen. How do you how do you capture that in film? What he just said? You know, how do you what is your plan when you go into a film like that? You know, generally speaking, we shoot so dang much rather than you know we I mean for each one of these films, you know, our film series Live that we did last year, were doing two films since uh, to produce two time minute films, we probably shot thirty five days somewhere in there days UM and with you know number one, it's it's it's on the pre production side going in with the plane. UM. You know, there's gonna be a lot of cool things that happened along the way that we need to document, but having a general plan of these are gonna be you know, this is the important and this is the storyline, and these are the things we're gonna stick to and just really focusing on, you know, the emotions you experience along the way, the ups the downs, um. And then you know when when you find those things that that are are defining of a season and shooting them thoroughly. Um. You know when we're on a hunt that's frustrating, like I gotta be up and keep sprill, getting the raw emotion of frustration right. Um. It's you know, showing that versus so much telling of you are about it, showing it is really important, um. And that you know, all this came about on the filmmaking side. You know, we may we did one film and two thousands seventeen um where we went with Keith and another good friend of ours, Ryan and we want to Nevada, Utah, Arizona and Mexico and just going through that one swing with these guys. The at like the addicting factor that is there, it just it's it's dude, you just you start you just can't stop. Yeah, Like what keep saying keep builds on a lot of states without me. Um, and dude, when he's there, it kills me not being there with him, you know, like it's just you know, we're all we're all all best of at this point into it. And you know, as far as on the filmmaking side, it's just rolling with the punches and you know, seeing um and you know a lot of it. Man, it's amazing. Every year we go into a season, we lay out a general schedule and we kind of have like all these states are probably gonna be the high points. Until you go and experience it, you really don't know. Um. You know, like last year Louisiana, I was excited about it wasn't you know. I thought it would be all right, probably probably one of the most incredible turkey on experienceps with that, you know, and that's you just you never really know, you know, uh, going into it, it's you never really know what's what state it's gonna give you what and and it's um, yeah, just being there and being part of it, man. And once once, once we started, it's been impossible to stop. As soon as I went to I went on a random hunting Florida, like last weekend or something. It was public Land and there's a big camp and um, I was talking to some guys and they kind of heard a Chasing forty nine and they were like, they asked the question. They posed the question of, well, let's just say, due to complications the virus, your season really gets into in a in a tough spot, and let's just say the camera crew couldn't couldn't be there or you know, would would you go finish without them? And I was like, well, there's no way they would not, you know, figure out ways to make it. I was like, but you know, to a degree, like and I mean this, I mean I I would have a hard time saying like I wouldn't want to be presented with with that, with the reality of that question, because I almost feel like they deserved to be there as much, you know, as much as anything because of when you think of the number of miles and hours of sleep that they had lost. I mean like they deserved there to be to have that moment too, and and it would be selfish to miss have them miss out on that and and honestly I want to share it with with with Stephen and and um. We also worked with this guy guy tie, Um, like I want to share it with them because when I look back on the last swings, the smiles and the camaraderie and the high fives and like, like I do a lot of stupid stuff, Like I love turkey hunting, but IM like, I'm like, this is one. It's my vacation too. I love turkey, but uh, like I you dumb stuff, and I enjoy sharing my my Like I enjoyed being done with these guys, like having them there to like you, just as I didn't share that. I mean, that has been really special. How many people get to share that? And uh, it's just been an unbloivable experience, and it's it's been multiplied through having them with me and being able to share that that high with some guys didn't want it just as bad as you do, just as bad as I did. Yeah, And I can tell you from experience. Uh, Before Tyler and I started hunting together, I was pretty much a loner when it came to hunting. Like I did stuff with my my dad and granddad, but it was always you know, split up meat, back up at night and talk about what you did or whatever. And it's just a whole new level of stuff when you start like experiencing you know, pulling the trigger with someone else there because it's such a um pat it and I don't know, surreal moment, you know, almost spiritual in a sense that when you start sharing that with somebody else, man, it's a special thing. It's a new bond that, like, you know, I never really knew much about it. It sounds like y'all, y'all right in there with it. Did you uh? Did you have to develop the love for visual stell, storytelling and cinematography like as this thing developed, or did you kind of want to do that from the get go? Keith? Um No, I had no desire to ever be a part of any of that at all. And I couldn't have care in any lass. I was doing it before there is a camera crew, and and I'll be doing it long after. Um. I do think, uh, I think it's cool that that I've been able to be a part of of telling the story. Um. I appreciate that these guys have told the story in the way that I think it needs to be told, in terms of like what a slam is, how do you chase the slam? How my my Slam is not someone else's like that it and and and for for the people have done it before me, Um, my predecessor, Like my Slam is not THEIRS. I I will never replicate theirs UM. But you know there's hunting. Hunting changes, right, I think we all know that, and there's there's just a purity that it has always been a part of the Slam and the way that people have done that in the past. And I think that I like to think that I've that I've maintained that, and I like to think that like Rock, that Ryan maintains that absolutely as well. He was on one of the first films, And I think that even in those guys have been able to capture that purity and capture the approach. And I think that that's gonna be the fact that they were able to tell that story the way that I think the one that my predecessors had done it, and done it in a way that is honorably, I think is the best way to have introduced the Slam and told people what it is and you can dead. And so I appreciate the opportunity that I got to be a part of that. Yeah, that's cool. So you mentioned earlier kind of how you know, a turkey plan can come together and be executed very quickly, and there's a difference between it and kind of the way you would hunt a deer a lot of times. Um. How you know another thing that it's hard for me to understand a little bit. And I've turkey hunting and shot a few turkeys here and there, um, mostly you know here regionally pretty local. But um, you know, like you kind of you know, you shoot a turkey and there's good ones that have you know, nine or ten inch beards and and you know inch and a quarter spurs or whatever, and you're like, that's a pretty good bird, you know, And and uh, they kind of look the same sometimes, you know what I mean, at least for me hunting, Rio's is what I've hunted, you know, And so um, what's what is the has been the most special hunt on this chasing forty nine um experience that you've had ad and the most memorable turkey and why is that? And then maybe talk a little bit about like differentiating between um, you know, every turkey just being the same for some people that view it that way, and how they're different, I guess, you know, Um, in terms of the most memorable, I would say New Mexico, just because New Mexico was a repeat state for me and and Ryan and I hunted there back in and we hunted five days and and build it. And then um, when I was able to go back there and be besily, you're the same hardshipt it had when I was there two years prior, and and that certainly um was immediately recognizable. And and quite frankly, like, you know, you're going up against the beach, right, so you gotta give it your all, and you know that you're gonna have to get your best. And last time you came here with your best, it wasn't good enough. And you know you you acknowledge that, right, And so when I was able to finally fal that Turkey and and New Mexico, so at least it was for me. But let me tell you, those are compete mountains and you can't really chase maryam. But but you know you still got to go climb in those mountains to go find the next group. So it's gonna wear you out physically, and depending upon their social dynamics. You know, those tends here that that call and and and if they're not in use where where they're accepting that foreign. You know that foreign and uh, they're gonna leave you. And those gobblers are gonna leave you. And unlike in Easterntain, they don't go four hundred yards, they go a mile and a half over to Summits. There's on the team elevation. Let me tell you something that's that's just gonna wear you out. Um when you when they finally slow down and you still you're still held bent on trying to get around and make another play on him, because those are the only turkeys go. So yeah, when I shot that turkey, you was it was a pretty unbelievable moment. I mean I felt a lot of emotion hunting for and that was like it was just really overwhelming. Um in terms of like all turkeys being the same, Like I mean, I I just don't feel that way about them. I think that you know, every time you interact with turkey, you know, you're he's gonna tell you a little bit about it, sell his personality. And I mean, you know, if if if your metric for deer is you know, well they've got antlers, um, you know, then every years same right, because because every dear has got antler. But if you look at a turkey and all you think is and I'm not saying it's about you, I'm just saying the gentleman if like, if anybody thinks like, well he's got of theridans and spurs and a bold fan like I just shot another turkey, hold that I think I don't necessarily know that perhaps you're going about county turkeys for the same reason that I him. And and maybe I don't know that, uh, that I'm gonna influence your opinion that money, but because because at that point they just might it might not just be that something you're passionate that yeah, so me hunting that is to me hunting a turkey, Like they're all different, they're all gonna tell you something a little differently, that it's gonna make you execute your strategy different. And uh, when you shoot one, you you you know you respect that bird for what he for what he was, because he gave it all and uh and and at the end of the day you took him like, yeah, yeah, man, that's a that's deep stuff. Um. So to kind of go in the same vein um without getting like so passionate that we both speakers. How do you feel when people say that turkey hunting and elk cunting is about the same thing. I'm not an oil cutters, I don't know. But Steven's done both the guests, so what do you think? Man? You know, I hear that all the right. Um, it's a common common parallels and there parallels win the two things. There was an element of interaction which I think is probably where people you know, draw the similarity and and to me, elk and turkeys and well, there are some similarities. There's just beautiful, wonderful things about both that are you know, make make them both incredibly enjoyable. On Um. You know, I came into this project. I grew up turkey hunting. I haven't harvested a turkey in many, many years, probably over a decade UM, and I got involved with I didn't shoot one last year. We got Yeah, I was like, that's you know, the parallels elk are just they're gonna wear you out physically, so unbelievably. Uh. And turkeys in the growth country, turkeys are much the same, but it's a different it's a different experience. Um. And with turkeys there's there's a lot more interaction and what's the need about turkeys? You know, in a seven day trip, I think in seven days last year we went to six states. You know, there's that high level of you can just cover so much so regionally, cover so much country, and each bird we encounter, I'll be honest with you, you know, Tyler, to your question there about all turkeys being the same, I think that was an opinion that I probably had before I started this. And at this point you pick up on all these little intricacies that every bird we encounter pass. Um. You know, we hunted a bird in Alabama last week and just it's a tough turkey and set in the same spot all day, and you know when we didn't get him killed, and something about that murder was very interesting and made him interesting. Um. Sometimes they run right in. Not all the time, not very often in our experience, honestly, but every single you know is what what what his mood is that particular today, what the weather is doing, what phase the breeding cycle they're in. There's so many factors that play that play and how they act with them. And and for me being a bystanderd, I get to see guys like he's and some of the other guys would work with who understand those intraceeeds on the level that I never would. Um. And and watching them at their craft is it's it's incredible, you know, whether the appalling or there's knowing one to set up and where to send up. Um, it's you know, it's how these guys take that little bit of information at certains giving them and the life of act that makes it so. I mean, it's really intricate when you get into it, and watching these guys go through it is pretty darn cool. Um. And without you know, I look at is more of you don't get as many interactions and what you know, you don't get as many interactions, and it's it's and it's a brute force of will. Like I know, I know you guys did you're hunting the heel of last year. Like that's just waking up every day and saying I'm gonna go and go and go and go. And it's just a different different, different level of experience, different type of experience. But you know, I guess I do understand the parallels. You mentioned the new Mexico hunt. You mentioned that you're hunting turkeys at feet in Hawaii. Believe as all. Has this whole slam been done on public land? No, absolutely not, And in quite frankly, I would argue that anyone who tells you that they're trying to shoot a public land slam, I'm gonna tell you that they're too young in their slam to actually understand what goes into a slam. And some of the regulations across these states actually understand the fact that you literally can't shoot a pure public lan slam. So I mean, there's there's some people saying some of that crazy stuff and and I'm like, well, you, you know, I appreciate that you I don't actually appreciate I think, like, if I'm being here, I don't even appreciate they did that. I just think that's the degree of arrogance that is like a holier than the now, that's like, I'm a tough guy. Because let me tell you something, Boddy, when you're driving between his public land spots after your dude and cut off and you see a feel full of shutters or here a turkey goblin on the neighbor, and tomorrow's your last day and the only thing that separates you from hunting that land, which is public and the private or private and the public and the door knock. Let me tell you, you're knocking on the door that public and haven't heard one. You're knocking on the door. So you as that. Let me tell you something, go go travel a little more. I appreciate that you uh said that. Now whatever, you're not getting it, okay, seeking someone who's who who does this over a significantly extended period of time might be able to achieve it. Uh. But yeah, so okay, So what's the what's the key? Man, what's the key to getting permission? Yeah? I mean when you're on the road, I I don't I mean, you just do whatever you do. You just go up there and and give it your best. Go. You don't have a line, man, you gotta have a line or something that I've probably been interesting in this and this experience is telling owners our story, what why we're there. Um. And it's amazing the number of people that that engage in that. Um that you know when we say, hey, this is the this is the forties stay we've been to in four years and you know that people engage in that for sure. Yeah. Cool. You gotta make sure to take you dip out before you go and they like that a little bit. No, it depends on the region. That's the regional. Yeah no, uh, it's I mean honestly, there's the public and resources off is just really good. Um but yeah, I mean there's just gonna be a tiger in a nock aon or So when do you when do you decide? Man? When are you like, man, I need to hunt the I need to hunt some private when I go to the state, because it's gonna be tough when it's Texas, right, that's when you decide that. Uh well, Texas being Texas, Like I think everybody, everybody decides it when when it's Texas and got infinite about time to hunt, Like, um, you know one percent of Texas ex actually public. Yeah, you're just gonna have to chalk that one up to what it is. I think last year they surveying there's actually four gobblers on public this year. So like at least one guy will get a shoot one in Texas that we get. But I mean, look, so when I go to states, I do all my research, I make all my phone calls. I mean I will never turn my my nose up, uh to any hunting opportunity that that has that has has turkey us that I'm like, I mean, obviously I'm not gonna go hunt dirt right Like, I'm not doing that. But if I'm making phone calls and some guy and I've been asking a guy about public land, and you happen to say, well, I gotta track. If you want to jump on it for a morning, you can give it a go before you go to your public or whatever. Like I'll absolutely do that. That doesn't bother me. And you know, like I don't know, probably bree you. Out of every four five states I shot a turkey in last year, was on public land probably you know, probably three out of four. And you know, for the loves who were private, I was super grateful for I was. I was sincerely appreciative that those people gave me the opportunity to meet up with them and help with them. I had honted with some buddies on the way, Like I'm hunting turkeys for my pure enjoyment. I'm hunting my plan, my way, um and and that's just the way I go about it. And I'm not gonna stay no to private uh if that opportunity, I think, if I'm I'm doing this over twenty years. Maybe ask me that question, I'd have different answer. Yeah. So, um, you've been doing this for this is your fifth year. What states did you leave to the end here? I'm sorry, said again, what states did you leave to the end here? What's your last couple of states? You gotta get done well? You know, I think, um, when you start off dealing, or when I started off doing at least, like I always wanted to try to cluster these states together so you could do what you know efficiently Friday, um in terms of statistics. And people will talk to you. When you talk to people about about this slam, They'll be like, well, this is the state I want to find inte And I think, um, it was my first year I said that somebody. I was like, well, you can look at that map in the United States and you can just you know, straws off the ones that you killed in and throwing dark where have that dark hit? That could be the staby finish because that that like, you just don't know what it comes to three heat and logistics. And so coming into this year, I I expected to come into this season having you know, a pile of states and and like last year, you know, we really did I even said it. You know, we walked with the Lord and it was an unbelievable year. And I ended up coming into this year with free state, which was Hawaii, are Detoca in North Dakota and quite frankly, other than Hawaii, I to say North Dakota and Aristona's if by having stands that they're left out there, um for no other good reasons. Yeah, there, there's there's just there's no way to plan, can finish. You're just gonna come in wherever you come in, and you're gonna pick up the beasts where you've left off in the past. So are you gonna have full body mounts or fans or what are you doing there? You know, I actually do a fan. I Uh, I do fans for every single serf induction. I've mounted a couple along the way, um and and I've got those. Those are there's been some special ones that they came from this that I don't think I'll ever be able to, uh ever be able to beat. And so I've got those mounted. But other than those ones, I take every single tale fan home the matter crivet or flow, and uh I dry them out and I you, um, you know a fileholders if you're familiar with those, because it's just a little bit of nellisated dish and hold ten fileholders. You can show up ten fans in there and you can have a really nice way of this playing ten fans and it doesn't look like ten guns. You know, it's very condensed. That's cool. And then if you just take a shed antler and uh, you use this the main beam of the shed antler cover the the meat part of that perfect fand nobody can see that. Nobody can seat the beat or or the quills of the feather of the of the feathers were come together and it's real nice presentation. Yeah, I've never heard of that. That's cool. What about the beards? What are you doing with those beards and spurs? I don't have a good medading for those. I know a lot of people have grown away. I've never once seen a way that I thought that's that's going that money. And so they all, uh they're all together. Um I did tie every one of them together with life and every one of them it's it's together of all all stag It's cool. You know what you should do is gonna paint paintbrush business whenever you get done is you don't have to come of the lane around. So, Um, I know you'all taught this out, and I don't know. I'm gonna guess. I'm gonna say, if you're anything like me and Tyler like, you've got some celebration plans for when everything comes together. Uh and it might be you know, bad juju to talk about it. I don't know, But do you have a plan for for what's gonna happen whenever the culmination happens. Well, we we've talked about that a little bit. Honestly, if we're brutally honest about it, deep down, we don't want to that. Yeah, Um, it's gonna be. It's gonna be a hard, hard day for us because it's been such a big part of our lives. And I think knockol Wood, good Lord will on that that day, Toms. I think we're probably gonna load up in the truck, we'll take a minute like we do with all of them, and we're gonna go the next day. Yeah, man, you know, I I don't think, Um, if we dwell, it's too long and we do thank that. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Well, Uh, ours usually involves tacos of some sort, So I can suggest that to make it happier. That's a good way to take the edge off talking a little bit. Yeah, don't old Miller life. Yeah, So is there is there anything you know? When that happens? Is there anything else? Is there another challenge that you're looking at or something? You know, I don't know what the next US slam in, um, but I know I'm gonna find something. Yeah. Yeah, Now that's I think that kind of gets to some of the messaging that we really want to get at with the film series. You know, I love when we get messages from folks that are, oh, you know, we're going for we're trying to do the U S slack. That's awesome. Inspiring people to do that, that's cool. Um, they're going, they're traveling the New States, they're buying hunting licenses the New States, they're supporting conservation. That's fantastic. Um. But you know, if we inspire somebody to go hunt their neighbor, that's great. Yeah, that's and that's kind of um, you know, as far as whether it's a U S Slam or whether it's feeling a Turkey in your neighboring states. We're gonna find a new talent. I don't know what that's gonna be, you know, I find a new something to keep that fire burn things. That's our nature, um and that's what you know what that is? At this point, I have no idea what we've talked about it. We've talked about it for a year now, and we don't know. Yeah, have y'all wanted to go do the oscillated now South? You know? I I don't know. They don't really, they don't gobble. They do. They call it called him whistle. I don't tell if i'd qualify it as one. I'm not really sure. I've done a lot of research on Mexico. I've done a lot of research on on Canada. There's there's states and provinces out there across the national borders. Uh, do you think the coronavirus is bad? You're going down to Mexico and say, hating mess with it down there? Yeah? I don't know. We're gonna see. I mean, I like, I'll tell you right now. I mean the thrill behind turkey hunting is is one, like, you know, the traveling and getting to see cultures that that you would have no business being part right and embracing that, embracing the fact that you are a foreigner, you're an outsider, you might never be here again. Take something away from this experience. I think that's cool. And I think Mexico and Canada could have some cool ones on on some dirt that I've definitely never been to. And I think that I don't think i'd say it Oscillated is out of the question because because it is still a Turkey um and and and I definitely still want to see where Yeah. Well, uh, former guests on the podcast got oscillated an awesome lots mixed up, So don't mix that up because you get in big, big trouble that, man. I know. Yeah. So uh, y'all put out some high end, high production stuff, man, and I really really appreciate it. You know, we live in the world of the vlog nowadays. Like that's flow. The vlog is keen, right, it's just running gun go crazy, and we're guilty of it. To to your truth, we do a lot of that because it's easy. Um, but I really appreciate how much artistry and how much time you'll put into stuff. So if somebody's listening. They want to check out what Chasing forty nine is and look at all y'all stuff that you put out so far in the upcoming stuff. Where should we send them? Oh, you know, the are Chasing forty nine Instagram account. We've got all of our Turkey cons at boltsing on there. Uh, that's where the platform we interact on the most. You know, I don't know what you're all experiencing platform was, but for us, we just like Instagram. Yeah it's easy, yeah, but that's that's the quickest way to find our content. Um, Okay, we've got We've released one Turkey film so far this spring, we go to support series called Haunted. Haunted Part one launch about two weeks ago and Haunted Part two will be coming out probably next week. Um. And then we've got the film about a guy who, um, we're really excited about this film. He's been a gentleman who has been pursuing the US lange continually for thirty years while out of a mini band and hunting all the land. Um. He's a guy out of Indiana named Doc Level and we had to spend a lot of time with him last spring, you know, intermixed with our travels and keep well. And there's a story. He's written some books about it, um, what's the what's the name of Coming uh Tales and Urkey Tale across and it's just a a big collection of his stories from you know, he's completed on the micro say how many us he completed several U S planners and continuing to complete US plan um. And so we have a film about him coming out, which we're really excited about just because well, i mean, part of part of what inspired you know, our generation of Turkey hunters to go do it as the guy and he's a he's a he's a humble carpenter from from Indiganna who literally has not done this for thirty years, just because you love service. Um. So that's that's the film we're really excited about that we got coming up. And you know, other than that, we've got a full our full uh spring film, you know, hopefully a full spring of filming coming up. We'll see how things go with all the world these days. But that's what's what's on our plate and what's on our agenda. But to catch up, you know, to catch up on all of our stuff, that's all on our Instagram. Yeah, we'll definitely to that below. And guys, has been cool hanging out with you, you know, Stephen, we've we've we've met a couple of times and you've been on the show before and uh, Keith has been good getting to know you, man, and uh you're my kind of guy, dude, Like your passion is so cool. It's just you know, what's neats like I don't. I don't share it in the same way for turkey hunting because I didn't get to grow up doing it. But last year I kind of really had a revel Tory turkey hunt that kind of changed me a lot. And it's it's kind of neat to see like how how you can hone that blade, you know, through the years and see it done well. So that's that's cool. Man. I really appreciate and respect what you have to say about the birds. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, yeah, you're welcome. Dudes. All right, Well, to close us out, what is the best turkey recipe you've ever eaten? Oh man? Stumping? Oh man, we need a lot of turkeys, So like I'll tell you one, like closing one place story, this little wise guy camera guy. We're sure Steve and I like him a lot. I hope, I hope name is tied Tie. So we shoot this turkey Louisia and we go to Arkansas. We gotta roost. We got the day before season comes in. I'm cooking dinner. We eat turkey on the road. Okay, like we we we have some food, but we eat key on the road as we go. I cook up a turkey dinner and and and we only cook one breast because it is the first day of the hunt, right, like we've only shot one turkey and one day of hunting, and and that that was good. He was like, I'm still hungry. And I looked around. I was like, well, we'd shooting anymore turkeys right now, so you gotta get over it. I'm like, who is this kid? Anyways? So but to that end, like we just eat a pile of turkeys in a pile. Different ways we do turkeys on the road, turkey, Bahita's, fried turkeys, marinated turkeys, I mean turkey turkey, breakfast sandwiches, like with eggs on them. I mean, there's almost no way that you can't cook a turkey that we haven't eaten it on the road or at home. And I gotta tell you, like, I don't really truly know that I have a preferred one way is the best or the other? Uh I, I haven't sump you got me? Man? That's all right. I like your answer. Do you ever grind it? Yeah? I'm adding ground and it tastes great. I mean obviously, like you know, depending on how you eat it. But like I mean, that's the beauty of it. Like turkey has a wild turkey has a wonderful, you know, innate flavor to it, and you just add a certain little bit of compliment to it. It really brings it all out in a different way. I mean, that's why I love wild turkey. The legs are the one thing I'll tell you a good way to do those legs grinding, grinding down, put them in a crock pox for a while, season them up, and then do turkey tacos with that. It's like a substitute ground beef. Most people waste the legs. Use your legs like that every time. It's delicious. Pool taka season in their way like tacos. That sounds good to me. I know you're from Texas. That's right, man, that's right. And some ground meets in Alapania. We're happy. So yeah, fellers again to be a good hanging out. Good luck the rest of the season. Man. Hope that uh things don't slow you down too much with with the the situation we're facing here. But uh, y'all y'all gonna make the best of it either way, I can tell. And I appreciate your positive attitude about everything and your passion for stuff. So thank you, guys. Hey, thanks, like guys. Appreciate y'all letting us have some kind of talk to you. No problem, man, to be a couple of old southern country boys and dates can put out some pretty good stuff. Uh and uh, I really appreciate a the passion they have for you know, getting after those birds and going all doing that. Doesn't mean I'm gonna do it, but I appreciate you, I'm say. But last year, um I uh, I kind of learned a little bit about that. Like we kind of it was kind of my first real turkey hunt where I got to eat least shoot birds and not just walk around the woods and crow call a lot. Um. But we made a pretty good film of it, kind of the high production value thing kind of like what they do. Um, quick, Can you do a crow call for me a little bit? I just want to hear it sounds good, It's okay, it's okay. It used to be better. It wouldn't it wouldn't fool me in the woods. But I think your voice is just getting too deep. You know, maybe I don't know what it goes. You're just a king, you know what I mean. I used to could do a pretty good um rooster. Yeah, I can do a good peacock right now, which will come into play next week. Yeah it will. Um, I can do Uh, we're doing it next next week. We're doing the peacock call. Yeah for sure. Uh. I mean you and I are some master mouth yelpers. Oh yeah, yeah should we should we? I was I was cutting? When didn't I cut? I think it's close? Yeah? Good? Uh cutting? Rugu um. So anyways, last year we made a pretty epic film, honestly, like a shot a bunch of SlowMo stuff, like a real SlowMo, not regular film that you just slow down, Yeah, but real slow We did that. Uh smoke, some gobs had a ton of fun, caught some fish and that's called Hooked. We'll link to that in the description below. It's h A. If you haven't seen it, you're gonna like it. I promise, even if you're not a hunter, you will like that film because it's just fun. Yeah, and it's kind of like one of those things. Well everything we do, uh pretty much I'm proud to be a part of outside of like I don't know, um, not everything we do, I guess, even the stuff that that goes bad, it's still proud to be a part of it. But anyways, the Hooked film, man, like that is just pretty sweet. So we did work hard on that film and it I don't know it it didn't get a whole lot of people view it, you know or anything, but um, I don't know, you know, there's a million different reasons why that could have happened, because it's you know, out there in the digital world, which it's not on the tour. Man. That's the problem. Yeah, I guess that's it, man. Yeah, But we we are very proud of it for sure, and it's worth watching, I think if you do liked her gain especially, so check it out. We'll link it in the show notes. It's called Hooked. H It's just a story about Casey's uh kind of first real kind of spring hunt. I guess Tyler hunts in there too. I do, but it was kind of centered around me, just because I've never really got the shooting in Turkey as much except for uh. I'm surprised, you know, right around the full with you with a shotgun and we saw Turkey should shoot him. Um, but that's what crossbows. No. No, when sling shots, you have to be pretty good sling shotter. Back in the day where man it's a senior in high school committed myself to the UH to the sling shot for a while and got to where an academic uil event or yeah, no, I don't know. I was in that weird time where like right at football you don't really have all like you have a lot more free time. So like I'd go home and like walk around the yard and just shoot stuff constantly, kind of like what guys do with trad bows, you know, like stump shoot kind of the same thing. I'm the worst slingshotter there's probably ever been. I feel like that's strange because you also say you're not a very good head bow shooter, and I feel like you have pretty good hand coordination. Like why, I mean, it's supposed to be instinctual. Yeah, there's a lot of instinct and shooting a shotgun that's something that I can I mean, I like, I was just being flat honest. I can shoot a dang shotgutting pretty well. You know. I don't know why I can't shoot a recurver and I can't shoot a sling shot. I don't know, man, that's weird. Yeah, I never really had a sling shot. It's probably one reason I just never never was able to one of my truck. If you want to go get it out and mess with it, I might do it. I got rocks right here, perfect perfect or some cheechee birds out here. They better be getting out of here. Yeah, for sure. Well I'm gonna go try the sling shot. You guys can go check out Hooked on YouTube or any of our other stuff, and uh, you know, we don't have a whole lot coming up. We're releasing some of the five live stuff that you guys probably know about your podcast listener, be a turkey hunting the next couple of weeks come out. Yeah, hopefully we've we've caught a few fish on go pro possibly, so maybe we just throw some of those on there. Just you can see us, uh being goofy and catching fish. But I don't know if that's gonna make anything or not, but it's definitely fun to watch. When we go back. We're putting a lot of effort in the maps goot challenged stuff, or we had been in the past few weeks, which isn't gonna actually released till summer, so no, is it gonna pay off at all? Uh. Anyways, it's gonna it's gonna be pretty fun and pretty cool when that does air, So you'll just look forward for a couple of months here. Yeah, for sure. Um, yeah, I guess that's about the end of what I wanted to talk about. I know there was something else that I'm gonna be mad that I forgot to talk about it. Every week you can do next time sometimes actually sometimes we do two weeks. Sometimes we do not a week. It's right, it's we are getting back on the one a week schedule right now. We're trying. We're trying. It's the best. It's been crazy been you know, lots of babies being born and all kinds of stuff. Anyway, Um, anything else is all right. Well, guys, remember this is your element living in

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