00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler Jones and you're listening to the Element podcast. What's going on on, woods people? It's going great here in Texas, says. We have been catching state records and prepping for our Heala hunt and some of our out of state deer hunts. But as we've been doing that, the thing that is just sneaking into my mind daily a little more every day. It's something that you know, I'm maybe most excited about because the opportunity to hunt a whole bunch of days and chase the most challenging big game we have the opportunity to chase year in and and year out usually, and that thing is Texas public Land white tills. So, Casey, that's what day is all about. But first, you got a pretty awesome item in the mail yesterday. Oh hot dog? I did um. So it kind of is like a big fat, like a Chicago hot dog. Have you ever had a Chicago hot I have it, Like I never eat one in Chicago, but like with the pickle and the pepper and all that stuff, it's good. It's got like a vinegar um on it too, was in Chicago a couple of days ago. Really, come on, Cal's Hey, she's missing a big piece of trim off her car. Yeah, it's pretty good American made car there. Anyways, my mail day was cool. Um. I got a Climate KSP twenty degree down bag, which uh is supposed to be one of the baddest little machines out there these days, and jelly, it looks pretty cool. I haven't actually got in it yet because I'm pretty sweety um, but it looks nice. Man. It's used so like black attracts heat, right, and dirt and dirt, Yes, Tyler rolled around the sand for me. But so I got this. Climate sent me this. Uh, you got what you got a mail day too? Yeah, Climate um sent me a static V sleeping pad, which I'm really excited about because I laid on it on my bed yesterday, which made not be the best test. But it feels like it's going to hold me off the ground, so off the grounds where you want to be. Yeah, but those things are in preparation for another piece of mail that you received yesterday. Oh man, I did um. I received hot dog. Another hot dog is a flat dog. It was a New Mexico ILK tag. It's real, it's official, like straight up. The tag reads any ILK unit sixteen b HeLa, Like it's the thing, like there's no doubt left in my mind that I'm going on this hunt. Even the three eighties are they considered any elk? Yes? And it also means I can chew cow, So you know you want to be like, if we really want to be countercultural this, those are the mothers of the giant bulls. What do you do? You can't take that, you cow q e M Quality management? Um. But yeah, so prep for that. That tag is actually really cool because in Colorado there's this real gray area, um, like confusing thing with the tag where it's a carcass tag, but then like when you separate the antlers in the meat, like you don't really know where to put the tag and all that. And I mean we grew up just putting tags on antlers. It's just kind of what you do. Yeah exactly. Um, but there's only one tag and it is just this piece of cell phone stuff or whatever. Um. For New Mexico, they send you your hunting license, a carcass tag and a antler tag and they're all sticky, so you pull off, you notch the antler tag, pull it off like Midwestern style, stick it on the antlers and then you do the same thing with the carcass tag. Put it through the little tarsal tendon area out there, so you have they don't expect you to carry a piece of wire or zip tie or something. Man getting dis gracious, and it's nice that like they're like, hey, just to avoid any confusion, we're just gonna give you two things, and you don't have to worry about transitioning tags from one thing to another or anything. You know, so well thought out in New Mexico and wait to go Go. But I liked about that tag as it had that um, like that elk on it that was bugling, that was cool, and also had a German thing about it. I put in the little jiffy thing on Instagram. I just tapped an elk just to see what would come up, and um, there was one other elk like a red deer. Yeah, and and then this one came up as a red deer and said behind it or something. I don't know what, but it was. It was pretty funny. So I left it on there, and then my wife looked at it and said, there's a number on here you show you you might need to delete that. I'm like, Gussie, it's okay, you don't, don't worry about it. This thing is nobody's gonna try to subject my tag this mine. Yeah, but nay, so exactly that's a good thing. My answer stories Dude, it's real. It's real, and excitement is real. I can't imagine, Like I never knew that I'd be so excited about somebody else's tag, but like I am. But because I guess, I don't know, maybe because it's my tag. I don't know if you you might not have felt this way. So if that's the cases, maybe because it's not my tag. But I've been thinking a lot about deer lately, and so I have to a lot, especially since I put in about almost seven dollars for a deer tag and it's gracious man, that suck anyway, it's too rauous, well too much probably, but I did it because I've been putting in for five years for this thing. So uh but yeah, that really got me thinking too, and and um so I'm gonna have like quite a few tags this year, I think, as opposed to at least in relation to other years. And I um, I have to like definitely think a lot about how I'm gonna manage my season and it's gonna be a lot of hunting, which is exciting. Uh, it's also a little bit nerve wracking because, um, if like I normally am pretty broke during hunting season and I'm gonna be hunting even more, so it's like, oh, how do I do this without you know, making everybody mad in my family? So, uh, that's definitely something I had to think about going forward. And in that equation is something that I don't know why, but like I'm honestly, I may be most excited about hunting takes his public land this year just because and that sounds so weird, but like I'm just like it's one of those things that like I feel like that if I don't shoot a decent buck in Iowa or Kansas on public or private whatever either way, the at like, I feel like if I don't shoot one this year, that that's like a pretty big failure. But like it's been this will be year three basically that I've been hunting Texas pubs and haven't shot one, and and granted it is a little bit of a failure feeling, but like it's also like I just kind of it's an expected kind of thing. It's like I more expect that it's gonna be hard enough that it's not gonna happen every year than I do that it's gonna happen every year. You know. Kind of I may not be explaining this weell, but yeah, I got you. I mean, it's kind of like you're supposed to win homecoming, right, yeah, And that's kind of what it's like. It's like, Okay, we even won homecoming for three years, you know, and last year, I guess I had a tie. You know, I shot a spot and people were upset about that. So um, but I feel like I'm I'm kind of out there with you. Um all my hunts am excited about. But I feel like the Texas public thing is is just to touch different so tough, you know, it can't. I don't want to say it a bunch because everybody thinks they're hunting is tough, right, But I mean I've hunted several states in different places, and I can see guys the media and stuff like that, and I just know that the class of deer is different, the body size, um, the pressure is different, and so like there's just a lot of factors man that that play into these deer being very tough to hunt. I've been out of state UM hunting locations a couple of times, and I will tell you that I have seen double digit buck numbers in some states, and Texas is not one of them. On public land, I've never seen more than ten bucks in a full day's hunt. You know. It's just like it's just a different animal. And I don't know, I feel like and maybe I have gone so far down this road that uh like I'm not working hard enough to have success because they just go out expecting not to see much. And maybe I need to like have that fire that fuel a little bit more to say, you know what, Like I don't need to just accept that and just hope that I look into one. Well, I agree, but I think that also expectations can really mess you up. For me, at least, you're a more positive guy than me, So like for you, you're just like, um, I'm just gonna go back and I'm gonna kill him next time. And for me, if I if my expectations are kind of high and I hunt three days in a row and don't see anything, I'm like, I hate this. What am I doing in my life. I'm wasting my time. I should be editing podcasts and some cookies and so like I I just set myself up with if I don't have the right expectations. A couple of weeks ago, we had Jared Cheff on the podcast, and that was one of the big things that took away from his podcast or with his interview is that, um, he doesn't use trail cams and doesn't do much preseason scouting because he doesn't want to set those ex expectations too high. He wants to go into a place and be excited with what he sees and be you know, happy with what the outcome is. And what kind of discussed that theory a little bit as far as like trail camera leaving trail cameras, with the lack of trail cameras leaving mystique to like a place, you know, I mean, what's awesome is that in your mind, even here in Texas, like there could be like a booner on your property if you don't run trail cameras. But if you do, and you run for a whole year and the biggest thing you see is about a hundred thirty two inch ten point twice. Then you're like, and he saw that he gets shot on Facebook. Then you're like the out there Yeah exactly. But at the same time, uh, hunting, you can't eat mystique, you know what I mean. And you can't put a tag on mystique. So if you are constantly like just waiting on a deer that doesn't exist, then you're wasting a bunch of times, you know. So it's like you got to weigh out the benefit versus reward of doing stuff for sure. Man. So there this is this podcast we feel like we've been talking Obviously the podcast runs is like a mirror to our lives, you know what I mean. Like, so, what we're excited about, what we're doing, what we're digging, what we're thinking about, is usually what this podcast looks like week to week. And we feel like that we may have uh not done justice to the amount of thinking and excitement that we have towards Texas Public Lands in the last several weeks because of this tag that you drew. It's once in a lifetime tag and and then so we wanted to just kind of bring light into that and let people in on our kind of our plan. The issues that we've seen um on Texas like in the last few years, and the reason we haven't been successful or I haven't, and the reason that you ended up shooting, you know, kind of having to pull the trigger on a spike last minute to get some meat, which I'm thankful for because I've made several stews and I have I still have backstrap. I feel as if years year half the spike went further than mine. I hadn't much of it. I mean, I've made several stuice, but like we haven't just hammered it. We've been eating some fish and stuff like that, so I mean, I I've definitely been been able to do a little bit of fishing this year and stuff like that. So that's been been good. But that's good anyway. Um Yeah, so our our season didn't quite go like we had thought it might last year, and with all the scouting we did, we were like, oh, yeah, we're good, We're gonna you know, kill or whatever. Isn't that such a like motif amongst most hunters, though, like county people have the season they dream about, it doesn't happen pretty often. This is a pretty relatable thing to most people. I would think and it's I mean something that happens to me almost every year. Yeah, I mean our friend, uh, just on a local level, Cody Baby that's been on the podcast before, like the last couple of years, his season hasn't gone like he wanted it to, you know, dud to. And this is not even like something that that's like I'm a hunting and and he was at thirty and he's behind a bush. This is like I'm flooded out, you know what I mean. You can't even control that at all, and so um, yeah, dude, I mean it's definitely, it's definitely And we don't want to sound too negative going forward for a second, because we're excited and we think that things are gonna happen. So we're gonna lay all the excitement and the plans out for you. But to set that up, what we want to do right here is talk about a few of the issues that we've seen that have been self imposed and maybe some issues that we see that we think could be changed, maybe on a department level as well, but we obviously don't have the expertise that biologists and things have, so and also just on a social level to something that as hunters we all should probably work on and do better job of, is for sure, man? For sure? Well, um, you know the first thing I can think of, should we start blaming ourselves or blaming the department. Let's blame the department first, idea. I'm there, so we'll blame department for all of our There's just some like whack rolls on on some of these public land there he is, man, and I don't you know, I don't understand it all. And a lot of this stuff is just rules that were written at one point in time to avoid certain problems that may or may not be even a problem that is something that we encounter nowadays. Um. It's the one that always comes to mind for me, is like the boundary rules, like you can't be, you gotta be. What's the distance is? It's like really fifty yards from a boundary fins Like as far as I understand, Like when I'm on my private land, I can if it's on my land, it's on my land, right Like it's kind of verbat him and uh kind of with the whole keep it public like idea, like if it's public land, it's taxpayer land, then you should be able to utilize all of it, not you know, fourteen thousand acres minus the perimeter boundary by fifty yards squared or whatever, you know whatever, that amount of land you're losing is right there. And I mean quite honestly, Uh, if you don't have big public parcels, you're gonna be hunting a lot of deer that are going on and off of private land often and hose deer. I actually might even be feeding mostly on private land because that's where food is a lot of times. I mean, I know there's a ton of brows, especially if you know it's decent habitat or whatever. But a lot of this that we hunts marginal habitat and those deer going on and off private public every day, and it's pretty problematic. Well, deer a creature of edge. Right in a fence line is an edge almost always, you know what I mean, Like even when a fence has been put in in the middle of the woods, usually they have to clear a line of trees, you know what I mean, So it makes an edge of some sorts and so like if you if you can't be I mean, what's weird is that, like you can set up fifty yards from the edge, right, and if you have confidence, can't you shoot to the edge of the fence. So what's the difference? I mean, like, the only the only thing that I can I see is that it eliminates the temptation for those to shoot deer on private from public if you're sitting on the fence line. Right. But that's what rules are for, right, rules, Like, that's what the law is for. It's not what like we don't go, we don't go. Hey, let me think of a good example here. You might have one, but it's not like, hey, the speed limit is seventies, so we're gonna make sure that you can't go but fifty five. I put a governor on your car so you can't go over fifty five. That way you don't break the seventy speaking exactly like, we don't do that. It's like a double law, you know, it's it's it's kind of hideous, man. And in all honestly, like, how many times and this this will probably be a motif that we see throughout these uh some of these rule issues, but like, how many times have we been walking uh down a down the edge of a property and seeing you know, ground lines and and tree stands set up within fifty yards of problem, you know what I mean, Like guys aren't paying attention to it, and I don't think the game wardens carry either because they probably think that's the thing. It's like where where do you draw a line of like you know what's being enforced and what's not. But then at the same time, uh, like for us, we video record everything we do, or most everything we do unless it's real bad, we don't see dear, but um, and you you want to do everything by the book because you want to be a good example and you also don't want to get in trouble. So uh, sometimes it feels like you're the only one following the rules. And another thing on that is the it seems like no one, I mean, no one follows the what's it stand? Rule? Like I can go on a w M A here close to home and probably go find a stand that I saw twenty years ago that's still on the tree, that's still being used. You know, it's like chained up in there, and it's like, I understand what that rules for. It's so that people don't claim spots real hard you know. But at the same time, it's like, man if I like, go in you know, a half mile or two miles, whatever it might be, and find a really good spot. I'm not gonna go back in there three days later and pull that stand because it's like, oh, well, here we go, you know, like I better make sure I follow the the rules here. You know. It's like, man, that's tough, dude. There stands everywhere on public where where we've been. I mean, I don't know anybody that's that's really following that. I mean, we were in and out with our stands because we are always moving somewhere else, you know, and we don't have a to other stand so but like I just don't there's not hardly. I mean, we met guys last year on property on some of the public properties that are like, yeah, I've been hunting here all year, you know what I mean. And and to me that makes sense, Like there are other states that we've hunted down in public. They're like, yeah, put your standing there and take it out and just make sure it's out at the end of the year, you know. And at the same time, if some guys sitting in your stand when you come in that morning, he has the right to it, you know what. I mean, like, how about that would stink? It's it stinks, but but I mean that's you shouldn't have left it kind of thing, you know. I mean, you you run that risk, and most guys are willing to take it. But that's another another rule that's kind of funky to me that makes things kind of difficult. Is there anything else you can think of? Uh? Well, just to kind of go on with that one a little bit. What's funny is like I know of one place where there's a ladder stand you can see from the road. It's let's stay there all season. And it's like, okay, Mr g Dub, Like I know that you've driven by this and seen that, so we know that this law isn't getting enforced from rule or that's okay, So this is kind of more of a life thing. But sometimes I don't quite understand the difference in laws and rules and is it the same thing? And I might be just being facetious or stupid or I don't know, but like my youth kids are talking about like, um, it's the law you can't film the softball game, And I'm like, is it really good law or is it just a u IL rule? And I think they're getting confused on what stuff is, you know, and this is really broad, but I feel like that's a little bit dangerous as a society when you start like having a misconception of what the law and what's the rule, you know what I mean? Anyway, that's the way. I don't know, No, I totally get it, man. Yeah. I was thinking about that one the other day actually because we were watching a game. But um, yeah, dude. Another one that I can think of offhand is the the antler restrictions rules that UM have definitely like some flaws, and we've talked about it before, so we won't talk about it much. But basically, if it's got a branched antler, um, it has to be thirteen inches wide or wider and both but if both are branched, right, sorry, if it has both branch chandlers, So if it if it doesn't have at least one unbranched handler one spike side, then it has to be over thirteen inches wide, which is such a random thing. And like the guidelines in the booklet talk about like it's got to be to the to the ear tips, but like five or six year old deer might have sixteen inch years, you know what I mean. So like there's that, and then you know, if it's a wide two year old, he might not have thirteen inch years. Who knows, but maybe that's what, you know, the biologists consider that they're trying to eliminate as being a two year old being shot. I don't know, but the thing is, it's a very hard rule to follow. And we have several deer on camera that we just you just know, or or four plus years old, you know, four or five or six, and they just don't make that that like there was one that you should have shot last year. Uh, journey got six. So I didn't get to go with you that morning. And if i'd have been in the tree, you have shot it on public last year. And if he had one big spike side, but if he had one little thing coming off of that, he wouldn't have been legal. He was like eight inches wide, you know whatever. That same morning, I saw a three year old that I probably would have liked to have shot, just because it would have been fun to shoot a hear on Texas public. But he didn't quite make that. But I mean, there's no such thing as without a shadow of a doubt because who really knows. But I look at that dear and say, that's a three year old and damny he I never actually had a shot. I didn't draw on him, but he was really callable because I grunted him in a second time, you know. So I could have shot that dear if and he would have qualified. Yeah, yeah, it's And that's another thing, is like if they're close most of the time guys are they want to be ethical and law abiding, they're not going to shoot them. And if they don't really care about the laws and they're going to shoot it and whether you know, so it's kind of like it's it's almost like the gun laws kind of thing. You know. It's one of those things where like I wish that instead of a law, we were more educated as a hunting society and just strove to shoot better, strove strive, strove, had striven, had striven, we would we desired to shoot um older age class dear until we didn't. And if we would self regulate, we wouldn't have to have regulation. It would just be an education. And I'm all, I'm like, I'm all about education over regulation in all aspects of my life. So and that would be like, and that would allow for us to say, you know what, that buck right there, he's got a little weird side over here, it's a little fork on it, and he's got a big side over here, and he's probably like, I'm a sure buck, so I'm gonna ahead and shoot him, even though you know what, he doesn't really meet what somebody somewhere decided was. I'm just not and I know our voices. I'm not a big fan of the antler restriction down. But that being said, I think back to bringing this whole thing back around to like game warden seeing tree stands from the road to not carrying. I think the game wardens should be a little more lenient than what I've heard they've been on the rule and they I think that they should look at this and go, oh, that kid's ten, that's his first buck. Let's not write him a citation or um or that dear, looking at the age of his or just looking at his teeth, that dear meets what we're striving for with that rule as far as age restrictions. You know, age goes. So I'm gonna not give him a citation and say, hey, dude, try not to do that again. Man, But you know, I understand, I understand this year is old. I don't know if we've talked about this in the podcast, but I know you and I have talked about it and discussed like what we thought it might be some good amendments for that, Like I would love to see a first buck any buck tag. Yeah, I think we did talk on the podcast, you know, for people like when you pass your hunter safety course, you get a first buck any buck that's good for your lifetime until you kill a buck, or maybe the first five years or whatever where you can shoot whatever you want to and then all. So, um, there should be a clause where it's like thirteen inches or you pull a tooth, get it sent in, get it signed off by a game warden. If it doesn't qualifies three and a half years old or older than you get a citation. But it's up to you to take that risk. Put it in the hunter's hands and not just the laws hands. Yeah, so I'm with you on that. It's good. It's good thoughts. Anyway, this is this is probably boring to some people, But we'll move on a little bit another like two issues that I see at least that we have struggled with. Are we done raging on the department? Not necessarily Okay, not necessarily. Um, this is not necessarily a department thing. I mean, I guess technically it could be, but um, just this is just a habitat thing or where we cause of where we live. But like high stem counts make it tough on us to observe dear and not being able to observe many deer on throughout a season just doesn't quite educate you to how they behave and what you should do. Right. Mean, I think you said this recently talking to somebody, But you know, hunting more open country last year, you learned more and like, you know, ten days of hunting than you have in several years, just because you're able to observe dear doing dear things. And I think like when you can't see sixty yards in some cases, you know, or a hundred yards, it makes it real tough. And especially like if you can see a hundred hundred fifty yards in one or two directions, kind of you may have a buck come through November and you see him for all of ten seconds, and that he just doesn't show you a whole lot as to where he's going or what he's doing. You know, so for sure, And it's kind of funny. Um like if you go hunt deer in a more open country, Um, they see deer all the time and like get interested and go see the other deer and stuff. And I guess our do do it too, because like sometimes you'll see a buck with a group of does, and the next day you don't see him with him or whatever. Um. But I've been in the stand a few times when like you've got some deer on the right and then suddenly a deer comes up from a different direction and then they look at each other, look at each other and get kind of wigged out because they surprise each other, you know. And it's like those deer aren't used to see another deer. It's a big deal. When they do see another. They try to figure it all out and think about it. And I guess there's advantages too. I can't really think of them, but you know, like it's pretty apparent that it's pretty thick around here, you know. And it goes back to the whole ant restriction thing and just dear population disty. It's like, man, if you don't get to see very many deer. You're really gonna want to shoot whatever you can see, and whenever you don't have that option, it kind of stinks. Yeah, I think it goes. I think it allows properties to hold more hunters, you know what I mean, because we have a ton of hunters and that's one issue is pressure, you know. But like, I think more hunters can be on a landscape that has more timber like that. So, but that doesn't mean there's more deer policies, there's less dear per capital. You know, they're all moving to private you know or whatever. But um, you know, I think one a prime issue or a prime example of this issue is you can watch a video from that's from our PLC series from last year and Publicly and Chronicles playlist on YouTube. But like, uh, we had been uh stalking around the week before and lost all our ground calls and probably rattling horns and everything. And uh so the next time we hunted on pub in Texas, we were uh sitting in a stand in like forty yards. We weren't able to get a shot, that's how thick it is. But at forty yards, a deer comes down a trail and we're like that's a good buck. And so he's like nose down in almost like a trot, you know, and we're like, it's it's quite hysterical what we do afterwards. But he's he's like coming through and we realized he's not gonna come down our trail. He's gonna follow these does that had gone through ten or fifteen minutes before. And we're like, man, man, y, I picked up my rattling horns and I start trying to give it to him at like sixty yards and he just doesn't. He has no care in the world, you know. And so there was we didn't even like, I don't know if he even looked at us, but he was just so focused on that smell. But that's kind of like a prime example of all of a sudden, he shows up at forty and at seventy he's out of our lives. Yeah, you know what I mean for sure. I mean, uh, that was probably one of our better encounters of last season. We saw that here for eight seconds. You know, it's not as long as you could ride a but uh, you know, and and and thinking about that um that piece of property in particular, like pressure was super high on on that property and several of the places we've been. I mean, we hunted another place, Like I said, we ran into some guys last year and one guy we ran into was at like eleven am. He was coming in to check the camera and he was like, yeah, well, Jimbob over here hunts right here, and we like look and like a hundred yards is what he's talking about. He's not talking about like, oh, quarter mile. And then he's like, yeah, Sammy, over here, you know he hunts. And that's like one that see to the yards. There was literally like five guys hunting this one like little kind of funnel area and none of them were seeing any deer. And the year before we had noticed that there was deer in there, so that's why we were hunting there, and it just turned off, I guess because there were so many people hunting it. So pressure was like it was another big factor in our season last year. But that doesn't like I don't want to say that without saying that, especially me, I feel like made some pretty dumb decisions to hunt pressured areas because of a deer, you know what I mean. But I mean outside of the pressure on that place that you're trying to hunt that deer. You made good choices, you know what I mean. The fact that you hunted a place that was heavily pressured was the bad joys. But like you're hunting, decisions while you were in there were good. You know, you made adjustments and made you know, made moods and the same killed spok You almost killed deer too that day. I should have killed Yeah, that's a long story, but you you can watch it. Herd deer come in and I thought it was squirrels. So usually it's opposite, you know. But yeah, another and I think a part of this the pressure that we've seen increased pressure is um, you know, a lot of these a lot I don't know, maybe maybe this isn't it, but on a lot of properties, at least in East Texas. UM they're the n WTF National Wild Turkey Federation is doing a bunch of habitat projects, which is great. I love, like I want more turkeys around, right, But they're doing and them on some of these on some of these public properties in the in the North and East Texas area, because it's like it's you know, it's where they have no turkeys. It's like their main focus across the nation is like this area that should have turkeys and doesn't, and that's East Texas, North and East Texas. So um, these like, uh, they're coming in and like doing these big habitat manipulation projects. And I'll be honest with you, they're they're like some of the ones that we've walked across and seen are like void of deer. I mean they're just there's no deer sign there. And like we've talked to people that we've met and then as well, and just they're like, yeah, the deer don't really use that that stuff because it's just they're clearing it out to keep predators from turkey, you know, from eating turkeys from behind every tree, right and creating grasslands. And sometimes what comes in after they clear stuff is not like beautiful switch grass. You know, forbes are good for deer until they're not. And as far as I know, I ain't ever seen a deer you go wheat, you know what we call go weeat, Yeah, and it don't happen. It's good for doves and all that, but and really only good for doves if it's shredded, because if they have to land in the middle of a bunch of got weeds they're gonna eat get eaten by bobca, you know what I mean. And it's, uh, yeah, they don't put off seas very great whenever they're not shredded. It's a good point. But yeah, I don't know. But something else we've noticed about those improvements, uh haven't had improvements is that there is hog sign there. And you're like, Okay, not only are we doing something that seems to be detrimental to the deer, but we're also creating helps if that still works for an invasive So what can we be doing about that instead? Um? And I'm not discrediting anyone at any organization or any biologist who's done research on things, but uh, that's just what I observe as a hunter, right, and that's got to mean something. Yeah, And I think to me, you have to think about this, like, there's guys out there that are hardcore turkey hunters and that's what they want to do. That's all they care about, and so this is great for them, right, But I just look at it from an economic if you want to if you want to talk about public lands that are owned by taxpayers or whatever, then you have to look at the greater economic impact a lot of times, right, that's what makes sense, and that's what they do most of the time. So I look at it like they're not really taking like the n w TF hass able to raise funds to do this project work. And so I feel like the Department's just going, Okay, let's they want to do it. They're gonna pay for it, then that's great, We'll let them do it, you know, And it sounds like a good plan. It's a feel good story, it is. It is, Yeah, for sure, it's like a good conservation story. But like when we're taking out hundreds of acres at a time of um, why like pretty good whitetail habitat and turn it into kind of a desolate country for a couple of years at least, um, then that's causing people to have to hunt closer to each other on public lands because there's less habitat that they're going to use, and therefore their experiences declining, and then therefore they start getting out of this public land game. And next thing, you know, like how are we how are we earning funds? Especially if like creating this habitat um and there's still not like huntable or open seasons huntable populations and turkeys are open seasons, well, there could have been a lot lots of white tails killed, which is a lot more meat than a turkey and just more justifiable for guys who are hunting public. There's a lot of guys that are hunting public that are that are interested in meat right there. I mean, they're not necessarily interested in the trophy side of things. I mean, how many people have we met on public lands that are like, yeah, I shot a dough Well, you ain't shooting a dough for They're shooting because they like backstraps, you know what I mean. And that's that's great. But when you're when you're trying to like substitute that for a couple of turkey breasts and some legs, it just don't add up the same. And not to mention, it's just not the same. Like people people love their dear season in Texas, you know what I mean. So I just kind of worry about the economic impacts of of trying to make all these properties in North and East Texas turkey factory. So and I don't know, like maybe they haven't thought about it, and that's okay. I mean, if I had to work as much as they do and get be only paid as much as they do, uh, I probably wouldn't think about it in my off time either, you know your rage. But every podcast out there emails, you know, from every Joe that thinks they know biology, but I And so that's just that's just me thinking, given my two cents about the whole thing. And like I said, they may not have even thought about it, or they may have and they may know it better than I do. So but these are just the kind of the issues we've seen, and you know, back back to kind of that squeezing people down and having a lot of pressure. And I don't know if that's that may be not a good way to say it, but just we saw where we hunted last year increased pressure as opposed to the year before. And that may just be the ebb and flow of public lands. And you seem to think that kind of right, But I think that it's more um like pulling based than it is like general w a base, you know what I'm saying, Or like this place for some reason this year, like this little spot that your parkhead gets more people at it. Yeah, that year and then the next year, it might be less like the particular particular w may doesn't like EBB and flow as much as like the spots on a w N. But it could be. It's just you know, it's hard to really guess that, but it's just kind of that's what it seems to me at least, um, and it's probably of our own doing. I mean, we are doing a podcast that talks a lot about Texas public money and encourages people to go hunting, so it makes sense. And then that's kind of the trend that, like a lot of hunting media's going anyways, people are getting away from like managing. You know, they're six acres for tuning inchinteer and they're going a lot more for experience, which is good. I like that, But um, private land management is a cool experience too, So if you'll if you like that, don't think that you have to go to the public thing because it's cool. Yeah, exactly, if I had six hunderd acres of land, may or may not be hunting publicly, at least not not here. But anyways, uh, who knows if it's what, what it's caused, what's causing it, But I would like to think that maybe next year we won't see that as much on some places, and then other places there will be more. You know. It's just you know, I'll just I mean, who knows. Maybe last year we had a rough October and people didn't kill there in October, so there's a lot more people in the woods in November just because you only get one buck tag, you know, so they hadn't filled it yet. Well even uh, on a more like a more lengthy time scale, I guess you could say, like, who knows if the year before everybody who had a rough season and was like, man, we gotta try somewhere else, and then they end up in a spot that we were at, you know, or whatever, and then shot pig man, I'm going back here every time. You know. Hopefully they didn't. Uh, the places we were at got enough pressure last year that the deer wised up and they go back to uh where they came from, and then we end up being able to hunt that place again without people. But if it has the people, if some of these places have the people that we encountered this past year, I'm not gonna probably pull quite the same hunting scheme as this year. And one place in particular m that that I think about, it's like that kept me coming back and I guess making the bad decision of hunting. Amongst a bunch of people in high pressure was a buck named Teenager and about a book titled that Yeah, a buck named teacher. Uh. That dude has been haunting me for years now, UM and we've been able to follow him for three sets antlers basically now. And I don't know, he may have gotten shot this year, but there was a lot of pressure where we were hunting him at this year. UM was one of the places we experienced a lot of pressure and so but I stayed with it for a while. For the most part, hunting there quite a bit, and I felt like my hunting experience really declined late in the year. And I don't know, like the last two years, my late late season experience there has been pretty tough. And I don't know if it's like just an overall the the properties are worn out from people for a holy season, if I'm wearing them out personally, or if it's just like once it kind of hits that late season, things change enough that I'm not adjusting correctly, you know. And we're talking late season as in like December fifteenth and on kind of thing, you know, like for the last month there. So, um, like I feel like my my goals in with teenager next year are basically we haven't put any trail cameras out yet. By last year, by this time we might have. I don't know, uh, but we'll probably when I get back from my trip and Casey gets back from his trip, we'll probably entertain um getting some cameras out because I think you're gonna start being able to tell what's a what's a legal buck at that moment or at that time, kind I saw a buck feather not in the headlines, and that was on probably May who had brow times, and you could see his first branch hitting the ditch on the way to the logs, and they're not the same thing. I was surprised, I thought it was. I see. I was thinking it was like mid June before you could see that in the past. But maybe I was just offer that bug might have done something sooner. But I mean, they're gonna have identifiable antlers pretty quick for sure. I think that, um, well, go go along with your teenager. Still, sorry, I don't know that, it's just it's simple. Basically, it boils down to put trail cameras in the woods and about July, mid July or maybe late July, um, and then go check them. I mean we'll probably knowing us check them once before and then but like go check cameras right around the first of the season. And if we're picking up teenager, I'll probably be in there quite a bit. If we're not, I may kind of just if we haven't picked him up at all, I'll probably um, I may still hunt in there, but I may hunt somewhere else. I'm not like opposed to it at all. And then basically check once or twice in the month of October in November, and uh if I if we don't pick him up or pick up any other reason to to hunt in there, um, then I probably won't spend a ton of time in there, especially if there's pressure. But like, if we can pick him up on cameras, then my my goal is to um, you know, find oaks that he's gonna be at in hunt oaks in October before too many you know, and rightfully so, November is bad to the bone in all states, you know what I mean, And so people are gonna be also hunting November. So if I can do it more spread out, I know, I know so, but yeah, and honestly, like where i'd like to hunt him in Or I think there's gonna be some good oaks putting off this year. Um hunts well on a north wind, and I think I can hunt well on a north wind there, and um so a good cold front in October is kind of what I want to be there. So if I pick him up, that's the plan, man. And if I don't, then I'm just gonna I'm gonna go with the flow. We're gonna have several cameras out and we're gonna just check. And when we find a good buckeys in an area, h that's where I want to be, man. Or I wanna, you know, find the oaks that he's gonna be in October. My goal it's not necessarily to to hunt or kill a deer or to kill a deer in October, because I love hunting late season. And when I say late December on, you know, like I just love that time of year because not a whole lot else is going on and it's still like fifty or sixty here, you know, so it's it's fun, it's cold and everything. Ticks are gone, mosquitoes whatever, Maybe mosquitoes are gone maybe depending on the day. But that's that's just one of those things about hunting early that is gonna stink as the heat and the bugs. Um so I don't love it, but man, there's less pressure there is that time of year, and I think that I think that, um, we shouldn't, at least for me, I don't want to put as much emphasis on show cameras this year. I like, like in the past, we've done so many sweated out, nasty days hanging truck cameras everywhere to get half of them stolen kind of days, you know. And I just and I think we did better last year at it steel, but I still think that we might have been a little bit too much time trying to preseason it out there, you know, when honestly put cameras out, let them soak and just go pull them, you know, and stop jacking around too much in there. It's a good opportunity for other people to see you in there, to increase pressure on a place, and it's a good opportunity for you to booger deer. So just just wait and then all right, So with that in mind, are you are you like, how do you plan to hunt? Are you just gonna go Babylon until you feel like it's not happening there anymore? Or are you gonna, like, like, how do you plan to hunt? Where do you plan to hunt? Without much reconnaissance. I don't feel like Babylon is a great early season spot. I feel do you go through there some, yeah, but it seems to really pick up late October to December one, you know, um, and I don't really know for sure right now on the early season stuff, but I think that, um, it's it's kind of more of let those truck cameras do some soaking and and put them in in in good spots, and if you pick up a buck that is kind of a resident there, then you have an opportunity go in there and try to find him early season and shooting. Whereas like, honestly, man like trying to go out on October three and just go in somewhere hoping a deer walks by. It kind of stinks because there's a good chance. Last year we did it, got Mosquito to outrageous. I took a picture of your hat and there had to have been fifteen on it, and like you have just swatted it, you know what I mean, Like it was outrageous. I pretty much hid inside my clothes all evening. You did it, and we sweated a lot. It's all no deer And yeah, I mean, I'm with you, dude, like even and that was a place with a ton of oak trees. There was tons of squirrels in there, so you know they were in their eating acorns, and you know that the deer should have been should have been in there, but they weren't for whatever reason, probably because there's oaks everywhere. But like I I'm with you, man, um, Like if you don't have a real good inkling about someplace and know that there's nobody going in there, uh, it's hard to just go in and hunt in October without like knowing at bucks in there, you know for sure. Um, I think we definitely made made that mistake last year and another um mistake that I felt like we made and that like I will find a way this year to be in the woods. On November fourteenth through the seventeenth in Texas, you know, that was like that was the days and I remember your dad saying last year because he he they live around a pretty u nice resident population, dear um, and he was he said, he was saying those days was like the third week of November when it when it happens, he says about he said about Nomber, I don't remember. It's like about November seventeenth. They're gonna be going everywhere down here, you know, and we we we pull a couple of truck cameras last year that we're just we're like, why were we not here during one of those three or four days. It's because we're running around being crazy. We're dumb. And that's kind of like the catch twenty two of like doing a bunch of scouting and figuring out finding the new places, you end up neglecting places that you shouldn't because you're trying to like scheme it in your head and you come up with this big fanciful idea what's gonna work well, and you don't go see there and then there where you knew they were, you know they were. Man, what a novel statement. Right, I'll tell you what the man I I shot a deer in public last year has a win for me. Right, is a baby. But he was tasty and we both have eaten him. I want to shoot two deer on Texas Public next year. That's something I want to do, and that that's that can be two doughs, Uh, it can be two doughs. Yes, physically, could be two doughs as well, but I would be fine with that. I'd love shooting a buck, a good buck, a good buck, john buck. But you know, I think that, Um, something a mistake I made last year was like, you can go too far down the road of enjoying the hunt, if that makes sense, and sometimes part of uh making it a hunt is actually shooting something. You know. I kind of did a lot of like Wood's watching last year, and uh didn't take shots sometimes or maybe I should have, and you know the whole like, oh, I'm not gonna shoot this dough even though I need meat, because they don't want to booger this place because this buck might come through here. Not doing that this year, I don't think. So, I don't know. It depends on what. I don't know. Maybe I kind of I don't know. I just shooting stuff is fun and I didn't get to do very much of it last year, and I don't know it just h I feel like that would increase my enjoyment is being able to do that and not have the expectations of, um, you know, well I'm gonna deprive myself of this, so maybe I can have something else, you know. See that's what to me, that's like that would be. I don't know, it's it's so hard when you think about messing in place up shooting the dough when you're hunting a buck in there, right, But like that would be What would be awesome is if we could find a place next year where we're like, man, there's not a shooter buck in here, but there's a bunch of does. Let's just go over there on in some random afternoon and hunt them, moving to food or whatever and and smoke some does. You know what I mean That that would be fun and so you don't have to worry about it so much. So like finding no spots I think would be kind of cool. Maybe even setting ourselves up to have like two cameras that we think might be that's that particular situation. You know, you never know, you might find the buck mecca here. That's the thing too, is uh, yeah, we've got a bunch of does, pettering in here, what's going here? In cold fronts? Like oh, look who showed up? You know what I mean? Like I'm gonna shoot him instead? Yeah exactly, But yeah, I think that just there's your mystique right there, right, Oh, that's it. That's right to find the does find the bucks man? It's like, is that a new concept? You would think otherwise with all the buck betting talk with I heard the last several years. But um, yeah, I think for me, if I don't get it done in in October on some oak trees, or if I don't get it done no, remember fourteenth to the seventeen, and these are possibilities for for me because I'm gonna have tags out of state and stuff like that. So balancing all this together, um, and being able to hunt the right dates and the right states and everything is going to be a for sure clown show probably next year. But if I don't, and I'm looking at like that late season period in Texas December fifteenth and on, I think, you know one thing that I'm gonna do is focus heavily on finding areas of lack of pressure, because I can remember last the last day of last season was speaking of clown shows straight up, like we how many miles did we walk with stands on our back trying and we were just like every hundred fifty yards we'd run into a stand or a boot track or something and we're like, oh, well, I guess this, let's go okay, let's go over here. You see this little draw over here, maybe well we can set up here. And literally we just walked around until it was like too late to hang a stand in the afternoon, and we were like, you know what if we hang a stand right now, we're hunting for an hour. And I mean it was it was the first time that I've ever seen you like give up on a spot on on just hunting basically, you know, like we got we tried to hunt even from the ground with like an hour left, and we're like, you know what, I can't even get a shot if a deer comes in at this is like hysterically stupid. And so we just gave up and went home, you know, because we thought, well, we can get home and cook dinner whatever. And so I think my my goal there at the end of the year is to try to or not my goal what I'm gonna be focused on if I get to that point is finding some spot, and that may be just go in two miles, get set yourself up with enough time in the afternoon or whatever in the morning, go in two miles wherever you know, a long ways in a mile plus and and uh find deer that haven't been hunted hardly at all, you know. And I think that's the way we're gonna have to do it late in the season, where earlier we can hunt places a half mile, three quarters a mile, under a mile, whatever without having to mess with you know, too many, too many messed up deer. So yeah, I think that's something else I'd like to do man is um just for that adventure and hunt enjoyment aspects. Just go and find someplace wild and hunt. And it's something we talked about doing a lot in all aspects of our hunting life. But uh, I get kind of even though I love seeing deer and like we've got these spots that are really good, to get kind of worn out. Um just going to sit in the stand and knowing that okay, it's gonna be three hours before seeing something and when you can get up, cover some ground, go see a new country. Feel like you're way back in somewhere like you feel like you always got a shot. You know. It's kind of like fishing the lake that's known for big bass, Like you know, you feel like you always got a shop and it's good to feel like you're in the game. And I don't know, that's just kind of back to that. Like why I originally started hunting public plant, well, not the only reason, but one of the reasons was because it was fun to get out there and kind of do kind of crazy stuff, you know, and and get back into places that people don't see very often. Not because you're like this is what the deer are gonna be, but because it's neat back there. You feel like you're pretty far away from people, Like you can get to a point where you may not be able to hear highway. That's pretty cool. Yeah, yeah for sure. Man. Yeah, So there's some gear that it's gonna that we're looking at that we might might need this year to kind of achieve some of these things, um for me, you know, like you can carry that sick of flash twenty bag man, that thing like it's built as like a day pack for mountain hunting, right, but the thing is like been pretty clutch for deer hunting. It's not thinking about it, man, it's uh, it's it's really roomy and um carry a quarter elk quarter in there, elk or maybe a whole texas deer. U just feel dressed the whole thing in there. I don't know, but it's nice. It's got like buckles and straps on the outside. You can put stand on, but you end up with a weight in a weird spot um when you do that, But it functions, so it's nice for that. I do think that we're gonna be getting some packs um for Western hunting this year, and I'm kind of wondering how that's gonna function for what we're talking about. Because if we get packs that have like meat shells load shells in them, then you can use it for a deer stand too. And then you've got to stand close to your back and a good spot for the weight, and then you've got your you know, the rest of your clothes and stuff in your pack that's straps to the frame and kind of snugs your deer standing in between. It kind of a neat deal. We also have thought about going stand less in general too. On some of these trips UM I mean, we do a decent amount of stuff from the ground, uh if we go like the Midwest or whatever, and there's some stuff that we can probably take and use um around here in Texas from that. But we've also talked about trying to do I know, it's kind of like through all the rage um, and it's not great for every situation, but a saddle could be nice on some of these like two mile in excursions where you go from carrying a twelve pound stand to a wearing a two pound harness that you probably are already wearing anyways if you're your a tree stow unterga. It just kind of makes sense. So we might explore some of those options too. Yeah for sure, Yeah, I definitely I would like to explore lightning up my setup a little bit um. But at the same time, like you said, with a with a good frame pack, like carrying standing sticks on that frame pack, it's like that's going to change the game, you know. And that's whereas like used to like be like a pretty uncomfortable bag and then throw the stand in the straps on top of that with these little tiny straps to just wear your arms out, you know. So good things like a ninja turtle have to run around in the straight. Uh. Yeah, the stands and the sticks are definitely some things that we're looking at possibly upgrading. Um. We also bought another go pro to help us out. We did. It's gonna just gonna make it easier for us to kind of split up and hunt. Jared Mills hooked us up. Yeah, I wrote Jered Mills. He's been the podcast a couple of times. Always good info. Um, but monster killer, monster buck killer, dude, that's the That was the biggest improvement on the whole season. We got the big buck killing go pro. Yeah, it's gonna have the good luck Joe. Yeah, dude, there might even be some footage of a big buck. I put that card in there. But now that's just make it better and easier for us to do better job documenting stuff. It's not gonna actually it might in some way make us better hunters. But it means that a guy doesn't have to carry two camera arms if he wants a second angle solo honey, which found cameras. Yeah, yeah, it's it's deafly nice. And the go pros are getting pretty awesome. Yeah, they're like for real cameras now they're pretty awesome, pretty awesome. So we definitely used to use the go pro that we had last year a lot, and it's nice to have an extra. Um. So with all this kind of talked about, and you kind of mentioned your goal this, you know, earlier, but shooting two deer in public? What about like? What about bucks? Like? What are you what are you looking at? What's gonna keep you from pulling the trigger, what's gonna make you pull the trigger? I think that, uh, I need to honestly be a touch less selfish about killing a big buck in Texas. I think that if I have an opportunity at a decent buck, that would make me happy to shoot and you go ahead and shoot it and then we will just work on getting you a big buck food. But I'm gonna have some good tags this year. I am too, though, But you know, but that's what I like? Why why hold off? Man? I just want to shoot stuff, you know? Um And that might sound crude if you just took that little excerpt from the podcast, But like, honestly, uh, I was stoked to kill a spike last year, while I would not be stoked to kill a you know, a three year old this year. That's you know, a good looking buck. Um, I don't know. So you're saying, if he's legal, you're you're gonna shoot him. Well, it's not a little pencilly little baby that just happens to be thirteen. But you know, like a deer. It's like, oh, it's good looking buck. You know, I'll probably shouldn't even be excited about it. Um. That's not to say that I'm not gonna try to target some of the bigger bucks that camp got. Like, yeah, what if you got a couple of big ones in the area and it's October and a three year old, you know, one of those good looking bucks that you're talking about comes in. I mean it's gonna be tough, but I got out of state tags to feel too, you know, and it's like if I can Phila Tagg or two here, that leaves me just a little bit less pressure are around here, like personal pressure to get that done, so I can kind of concentrate on some of the out of state stuff. You know. It's not like you're your season isn't ending. Like when I was younger, if I shot a year, my season was over because I didn't have the resources or the knowledge to go elsewhere to go hunt, and now I do, and it's like, why do not shoot something? Yeah, you know, with the tags that I'm gonna have, the decisions are going to be so time, like week to week based, I think, in depending on on where I've shot one or what I've got located or whatever. But I do feel like it's gonna be hard for me to shoot in Texas anything that's not pretty good before in that November fourteen to seventeen the window, just because of what we saw last year. But if I if it's like November twelve and one comes through, that's kind of good buck, you know, but not like as big as some of the other ones we have. And I still haven't filled any tags in any of the states. I might might be a different story, you know what I mean. But I don't know. I don't know. I mean, you can hunt pretty late in Texas, and so it's I kind of would almost like, I don't know, I can't, I don't, I don't know who knows what's gonna happen. But I almost would rather like have that chance in the November fourteenth and seventeenth window in Texas and eat a tag at the end of the year than shoot, uh kind of a pencil horn before the four I don't know. So that's just kind of we'll have to see what we're talking about this. I should be talking about trout fishing, because that's what we'll be doing here for like a month come September. You know, the hype of the season coming up might change and be like, dude, I'm holding out for one, you know, like it's but I think it's good to talk about it now. That way you can go back and look at your more realistic self that was a few months behind back. I'm like, okay, yeah, I'm I'm probably right back when I was in a you know, a sane state of mind. I should to do what I was saying, Yeah, exactly. So as far as like preparations go to achieve these goals, anything in particular jump out at you. Mm hmmm. Uh, Well, I have to buy more arrows because I used a lot of them last year. That doesn't mean I killed that much, but I got killed a few things to use one in September, so you better make sure you have That's right, But I don't, I don't know, I mean, my not minus what we already talked about, a little bit of gear stuff we're gonna add, not really just I think, UM, working on myself mentally more probably be the bigger thing, like being more open minded, being more willing to um differentiate from the plan and scouting or not. Uh yeah, there'll be a little bit of that, um, a little bit of looking at some new properties too, because I feel like also if you go to a new property, uh, you lose some of that Like, man, I need you can kill one of those big bucks in there, you know, Like you it's like it's pretty cool to go to a new place on on like the third day of hunting that area you you killed three year old. It's like, all right, I feel pretty good about it. But it's kind of like whenever you it's a place you've hunted for a long time, You're like, man, it's I've been hunting this place is before this deer was born, and now I'm gonna shoot him, you know what I mean? Or whatever it's. I don't know. Anyways, you kind of know what I'm saying. But I think I need to just prepare myself mentally to kind of really take in the season and no like I want to do in the deer season. What it takes for me to look back on Favrue wary of first and say, you know what, that was pretty good. You know, I don't want to be like, man, look at these decom tags I got right here, you know, I hear you. I mean, that's kind of That's where I'm at pretty much. I need that mental preparation. I need. I need the mental preparation just to I know, I get down about things, and I think I've been working on that just being around you and learning like how to how to do that. Um. I think I've gotten better over the last few years, and hopefully I'll continue to keep getting better. But um, something that we both are pretty bad about is like once it starts getting in that December fifteenth range or whatever, just doing the same thing over and over again, hoping it works because we get all like creative earlier here in the season, and then like we get burned by our creativity a couple of times. Okay, I'm just gonna go sit. Yeah, and you and you start like you start, you have started out with like eight spots and then all of a sudden, like four of them. Jimmy John and everybody else thought that spot was good too, and you got so now you got four spots. Oh well, we have this wind and technically only one or two spots works with this wind. And now it's like I got hardly anywhere to go. So I mean that's where that's when maybe we just go, Okay, we're going way back. We're gonna do something new. So uh and you know, as far as like preparation for me, that mental set of things for sure. But then I got a new bow, new to me, but Matthews, so I can't remember what it's called, but a shot a few times as good. But I needed I think it's a helium. Yeah, yeah, Um, anyway, I need to get dialed in, just make sure I'm good to go and shoot a bunch and and kind of get the motion down with a new boat and everything. And other than that, Uh, I think I think I'm just ready already. But we're we got a lot of a lot of fishing and stuff ahead. And speaking of that, you know, we we just put out the state record video from the state record fish you caught, so that's on YouTube. Um, you guys have been kind to comment on that. So we appreciate that. UM, go check that out. And also, UM, if you are in Texas or anywhere else and you enjoy this podcast, we sure and leave us a review on iTunes because we really appreciate that it helps us out a ton. And if there are some things that we didn't cover or we didn't think about, or some problems that you encounter that we may or may not know about or may or may not realize that we have, UM leave that in the comments to that way we kind of can be enlightened on that thing, because it's pretty easy as a hunter to get kind of tunnel vision and kind of just thinking about what you've got going on, and maybe maybe some of the things that we think of problems you think are solutions or vice versa. So let us know what you think. Yeah, for sure, And you can always reach out through our website, the element wild dot com UM and send us emails there. We've got an email for him, so feel free to do that man. UM. Yeah, like you said, the iTunes are using great And if you're if you like the the you know, if you're from Texas or you're interested in this Texas thing, and a lot of you probably aren't because I know where a lot of you are from, but um, but I know we have lots of Texas listeners too, And if that's something that, uh is exciting for you, there's definitely you can scroll back through these podcasts on our channel here and find several that that discussed that kind of thing. And throughout the season, you know, we talked about our hardships, so if you're looking through November, October, December that kind of thing, you can find them. But in particular, you know, episode ninety five discussed them, the hardships that we encountered last season with just having people run into us on public that should have known we were there and different situations. Uh, I know. Eight Episode eighty eight was like one of my favorites. We talked about the art of the draw, which is definitely a big thing across the board in White Till but in Texas, you know, like you need the deer to be as not jumpy as possible because they're agile and quick and little, and uh, the art of the draw can help you through that. But I think we might have even talked about some some Texas stuff there. So anyway, those are a couple episodes feel free to go back and check out if you haven't listened to them. We had a good time, and I know I think we're cooking in the rain that evening. Yeah, cooking some cooking some stuff, probably elk or something. But anyway, uh yeah, I hope you guys have a great weekend. Thanks for listening to this thing and for checking out all that we're doing. It means a lot to us. The podcast has been doing really great, um and that's just because you guys are uh real supportive, spreading the good news and uh probably has fired up about white till in June as we are. So anyway, I hope you guys get out and get in the outdoors and remember this is your element, living it

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