00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler Jones and you're listening to the Element podcast. What's happening on the Woods People. It's a blush tree day, probably across pretty much all in North America, it sounds like. But it's thirty seven degrees here, and I think that is warm for most places. Uh. Considering some of the people we've been seeing on Instagram and talking to um, including our guest today who's from Iowa and Iowa resident John Lusk of lust Cart Adventures, Casey, you know this guy better than I do. Well, I don't know John personally. We've communicated a little bit, and he seems like a really cool guy. He's got a great YouTube page and a great Instagram page. He's done a lot of shooting, a lot of testing of particularly broadheads and then bows and other things as well too. But he's done a lot of hunting, loves to hog hunt, and loves to do a lot of other stuff. So it seems like pretty cool guy, pretty excited guy, especially for as early as it is in the morning, and uh, I think he's gonna be a pretty good guy to have on, especially especially a couple of times. But there's a lot of specials in this especially especially particularly um kind of after some events that I've had with broadheads this season. Not that I had any issues, but just some surprises in in performance. Uh. And I guess you too, you know we we we all were. You and I shoot different stuff, and uh, it's it's for me. It's fun to kind of explore what each broadhead does and it's plus is honestly, and John has done way more of that than I have. Yeah, well, I'm you know, I probably should just listen more to the experts on our social media pages. Yeah, I just I just found it really funny that your your meat buck had uh you know, you were surprised about that, and uh, there were guys that were telling you, you know, what you needed to do. You don't even know what you're doing. I'm just like, yeah, well that guy, he was surprised. He once told him set up okay, but I got it up your air away. Oh well, I'm shooting a million grains, you know whatever. I don't know what to do. I'm not shooting that much. But for white tails, it's it's quite a bit. Apparently, Uh, John is going to go after some quarry here soon in or the country. No, the continents the wild continent of Africa, and uh he's talking about thousands of grains of arrows, so it's kind of crazy. But around here, honestly, I have not been shooting my bow hardly any and I feel kind of bad about it. You have been a little bit, haven't you know. Well, I'm in the process of getting a new bow. So I shot that one the other day and then kind of tested it against mine, just see how it felt. I still need to take it to your boy Richard and uh get him to you know, a dometer it. He's about all set up now. That's good. I need to do that because it's uh. I just want to make sure that I'm not like spending extra money to not really get anything different, you know what I mean? I think I am. And I definitely know that this one at this point and in the year is tuned better than the one I wish you at the end of the year. Um It just I can just feel it. It's definitely a better bow several I mean five years or so newer. Um So, anyway, I've been looking at that, and then other than that, I hadn't shot I shot that, you know, for I probably shot you know, fifteen shots out of it, uh for you know, one day and then having shot since I'm not really feeling that bad about it, because, um, I don't know. I like, I don't really plan on doing any bow hunting for a while here. I don't think you're not gonna hunt the spring gobblers with a boat at all. I think I'm gonna slam them down with the see. I think I'm gonna probably start out with a shotgun, and then if we can kill a couple of turkeys, I might try the bow thing. Just get I mean, we can get eight do you think we can make that happen? And I don't know, Man, there's a that's a lot of turky. That's a lot of turkey. Is there any other state that gives out that many turkey tags? Yeah? I want to say, like Alabama is like five or something. Maybe I think there is a couple of couple of states that are right in there. Need to go to Alabama. Apparently they're crawling with wildlife with as many deer tags and stuff in the world. Man. Um, So anyway, that hadn't shot a whole lot, but um basically just been as far as like hunting goes I haven't really done a whole lot, but I'm kind of itching. I want to. I want to go. We have some truck cameras that are still out that I would like to go get if it will ever stop raining. But here's the thing is, like, all y'all people are listening from the Midwest and stuff, you know, so much snow. It is literally all the snow that you're getting is rain here. The ground is frozen here, it's suggy, it's Seattle here. So uh yeah, it's been kind of hard for us to get out and do a whole lot with as much rain as it is. And it's cold rain. It's thirty seven degrees rain, you know or whatever. So um, yeah, we have it worse than I tell you. To To tell you the truth, I will take what we have instead of degree too. Yeah. I can't do it, man, it sounds terrible. I did get out this past week and to observe the final weekend of squirrel season. A shot one day. That's good. Yeah, that's a and I saw more right. Yeah. Well, I'm starting to really figure out the squirrel thing. Or I used to just blunder around through the woods, and I've noticed that Squirrels like sunshine and they like not windy days. Those are the two things, man, And if it's either one of those, you're gonna have a hard time. There'll be squirrels out on windy days, but they're on the ground, and when it squirrels in the ground, it's a lot harder shoot than once in the air. Well, even in the trees, if the trees are all moving, yeah, and everything like, it's gonna be hard to see squirrel. And that's why they don't like it up there, because they can't predict Williams is gonna be either they fall. Yeah, actually we saw a squirrel fall. This was it this year or last year. I think we saw it was a if you fail from the street, is he okay? Whatever. It's one of those things where like if I aunt falls from thirty feet, you know, it lands very lightly and crawls off. But if a person falls from there exactly well you probably know this but better than I do. But I've seen little kids fall from like things. They're like that would hurt me, and they just get up and go, you know, until like your feelings get hurt. But that's the thing, it's like the feelings get hurt, they'll cry, and you you can there are certain things you can do to make them literally go bipolar and start laughing immediately, and it's like, why were you even cried? Come on, just making my life terrible right now. Yeah, that's funny. Man. Also, my father in law found the first shed to come off of my property. I know it, but not from this year. Now. I didn't look like it from this year. It might be a buck that I have on camera, but it's hard to it's all squirrel chewed up and stuff. But still it's like a decent little light point. It's pretty cool. I was pumped. I'm ready to go, and I'm I've been running a little bit and even though it's been cold, I've been running. Ran this morning. Saw hogs on my run. That was cool, Like they I thought they were gonna attack me. They were just all around me. But hogs scared over here. I really didn't think they were gonna okay, but they were just like there were so many of them. It was like, whoa there, you know, hogs running everywhere, like twenty yards from you. But uh, I'm I'm getting to the point where I'm trying to get into good enough shades so that when we go looking for sheds, I'm like ready to walk, you know, seven eights. And I love it, dude, I don't. I don't. I don't love it, but but there I see the need in like scouting. And I do love finding a big shed, you know. Um, you know, I like finding little shits. You know, it's it's not that exciting thing. It doesn't matter. See, and there are people like that. There are lots of people like that, and so and I don't understand that necessarily. I don't wrong at all, you know, It's just I just I just for some I found a lot of sheds, uh, you know, for I guess comparatively to probably a lot of people I know, my age. Just I've been blessed to, you know, be around some not picked properties where lots of deer, you know, lots of decent bugs. Because it's you know, I'll be honest, Like finding a spike shed is harder than finding a that would be so cool. I found. I've got one in my truck, you know, the one that's like it's like five inches the spike. You know. I love it because it was it was super fresh and and it was laying out in the corner of this field, and uh like it's still got like the skin around the edge of it is how fresh it is, and so uh like it's just it's like an actual horn. It's not like a shed that's got some deterioration, you know, and actual antler. Sorry, Luke, So I love like it's almost like a stress ball or whatever. So like sometimes when I'm just I just like I'll grab it and I'll just rub it, and it just feels like an actual antler awful live dear, you know. So but uh, other than that man, that particular killer antler. Uh, you know, I don't get super jazzed up about jazzed up about like anything that's like not three years old or bigger problem, you know, that kind of class like ten or so inches are bigger, you know, like that kind of rack. You know. So I guess whatever that is, you know. So I don't know it just it just doesn't do it for me. But I do enjoy getting out, getting the fresh air and and uh kind of seeing what you know, seeing the postseason side of things and like oh well this this trail is beat in, you know. So that's where they've been using and I think that's the big benefit of ship hunting. It's it's uh, you might not find as many ships, but if you play attention to the landscape while you're out there, and you learn a whole bunch, you know. And I'm not a like of super experienced shed hunter, but I have done something. We've done some and I think we don't find yds because we get caught up on whitetail sign and that's not a bad thing. Yeah, yeah, for sure, it's kind of the big deal on it. I had one maybe one trip where we picked a property that was like had never been picked in Kansas there and it was phenomenal. My dad and uh, I don't remember. We had twenty something sheds and basically they basically a good day of walking in my morning. It was awesome, dude, And there was good sheds I found. Uh, I think it's a I think it's a sixty two inch side or something like that. Yeah, so it was the eight point that I found this year. I can't remember. Wasn't it like that we did a contest. It was in that sixty two range. It was something we need to look at it. It was, it was it was a good it was. I mean, the main beam wasn't long with everything else was there, you know, it's definitely the biggest it was I was. I was like so jealous. You know, hey, we gotta go back and find the others. We do we do, we know, we know he's somewhere around there. So but I'm excited about about those opportunities finding those big, big sheds. You know. It's it's just cool to have that and put it on your mantel and it's like a mount It's like I've heard guys talk about this a lot, and I think it's true. But like a trophy on your wall is literally when you see it, you just all of a sudden, your mind works like you have memory of that. You're not sitting there going like, oh, I'm gonna stick my chest out and then this is better than nobody else, or for me at least, But more like I think about every time I see the brow time buck on my wall, I think about the shot and like the few different times that I had seen him prior to it and everything, you know, And so it's kind of the same way with a shed. You're like, especially if you know the deer, you're like, you think about all the different times you've seen that deer every time you look at the shed. But anyway, I I'm winning out on white tails right now. I'm pretty sure John Lusk is like all about everything that can be hunted. So we don't want to get on the phone with him and talk a little bit about that since white tails season is over and the only thing we have to do is and maybe a month finding some sheds. That's right, man, that's right. Let's talk to John. He's an exciting guy and I'm excited to hear from all. Right, let's get my phone. So now on the phone we have John Lusk with lusk Archery Adventures. What's happened to John? Hey, guys, I'm doing good. I'm here in freezing Iowa. But but I've enjoyed being in a new place. Glad to be with you guys. It's good. Well, it's thirty seven here, so like we're real cold. To John, we're real cold. Yeah, yeah, I'm envious of those days. Like I looked ahead for the next fifteen days and there's nothing above twenty degrees. Oh my gosh, are you serious? I'm serious. I'm like, I think I moved to the wrong place. I just have I have a feeling though that like freezing Iowa from a deer hunter's perspective is better than freezing Texas, you know what I mean, you know, or northeast Texas at least, you know. Yeah. So well, cool man, So glad to have you on man Um. You know, first of all, your brand is this lusk Archery Adventures. Uh, you seem to travel quite a bit and go on hunts. Um, take us back as far as you want. How did you get to where? I mean, this is a dream for a lot of guys to be able to travel around do hunts. I mean, how did you get to this point? Well that's a good question. Honestly, it kind of makes me several a little bit just thinking about that, because when you say it's like a dream, it is like a dream. I grew up in um big family, six kids. I'm the youngest of six kids, and my dad was in the military. Really uh great soldier if you will. He was a three star admiral, super busy, you know, travel all over the world and stuff. And my mom was a full time high school calculus teachers then then six kids on top of that. But but they always had time for the outdoors, which was really cool, and I didn't realize how challenging it was to ID kids in my own and I go, man, that's hard to control that schedule. But we I grew up hiking and backpacking and hunting and fishing everywhere we lived. That was like the thing we would do for family vacations or weekends. My dad let's go hunting. And so I just had such great memories and just it was built into me, just this passion for the outdoors and especially archery and bow hunting. So I didn't, you know, hunted with pistols, hunted with guns, rifles and everything else. But my parents were really into archery and that was like their hobby for a long time. There were competitive recurve archers, and I remember just seeing trophies littered throughout the house of my mom and my dad. Usually there was more female trophies than male triphies. My mom was really good. But that was just instilled in me, and so I grew up bow hunt in Louisiana. We go hunt hogs public property there. Honey Island Swamp is the area that was called in in Slide, Louisiana, and I just remember that from such an early age, and and then I got really busy. I graduated from college, got really busy with my career, which ended up being as a pastor. So I've been pastor since gosh, nineteen eighty eight seven. And so I graduated civil engineering down from the l s U in Louisiana, and then I went to Theology school in um To studied theology and got a graduate degree in theology, and then have just pastored to churches all over the US, and then eventually went over to Bangkok, Thailand. We spent four years in Bangkok and then two years in the Philippines and started churches all throughout Southeast Asia, and then came back and you know a bunch of different churches here in the States. But during that time that I was over in Asia, especially, I couldn't hunt, and it was really hard because like in Thailand, everyone believes in reincarnation and you might be, you know, killing somebody's great great grandmother. When I first got there, I would be preaching sermons and I didn't speak Thai in the beginning, and I had a translator, and then I would be telling like hunting stories because that's like my thing. You know, little illustrations and stuff. And after about a month he said, hey, John, he goes, do you notice how when you talk about hunting people kind of cringe a little bit. I'm like, well, yeah, I thought they're just not you know, maybe you said he no. Here in Thailand, it's considered a sin, and I'm like I had to hold back anyway. During those years, I couldn't hunt at all. I did fish, which was great fishing over there, but I didn't I didn't get to hunt. So then when I came back to the States, I had to make up for lost time, and I just got really into bow hunting at that time. I remember turning forty and I was like, my wife said, okay, you get an extra special gift, you know, when you're forty, what do you want? And I go, it's time to take up bow hunting, you know, with a passion. And so I got back into it, and man, I've just been going full throttle sent that time. And I mean, gosh, I you know, I was hunted all over Missouri. And I had this buddy in the church that I had helped when he was in his residency to become a surgeon. And then he became this really successful surgeon, and he was really grateful for my help. So he would take me on these adventures. I got him into bow hunting, Okay, which was great too. He took me to it, to to Canada a few times, took me to Africa. I mean, I've had I've been blessed with so many cool opportunities like that, largely because of that guy. I mean that was just the initial. You know, hunting abroad, hunting different species kind of a thing for me. And so while I still have a bunch of rifles, a bunch of pistols, I mean, it's just bow only for me, even during gun season. I just like to hunt with a bow. In Iowa, you can't hunt with the bow during done season, but in most places you can, and so I'll do that. A matter of fact, the last time I hunted with a rifle, I was in St. Louis and the buddy asked me to go out hunting during rightful season. I thought, man, let me, I should bring my bow and I go no, you know, I'll go ahead and take my seven nag and I go out there, and uh, I stood up. I was in a kind of a ground tucked in behind a tree and I stood up to go to the bathroom. I was wearing a poncho. I was pouring down right, and I came back towards my tree. I look and there's this huge buck at nine yards was literally right in front of me. And my my scope was on nine power, like just so I just held up and it was brown. It's just your brown blur and shot. It snapped its neck. It just dropped right there, and I was like, man, I should have brought my bow. From then on, it's just been it's been bowl. So I just I just love it. That's cool, man, that's awesome. So when you were fishing over there, but there was no qualms about like you're hooking my grandfather in the lips and wrestling him into the boat here, anything right? I mean? And don't you see that irony in them Erica as well, Like people are so against hunting and you go, what about fishing? You know, I mean, you're you're killing these fish too, And people just don't have like this protective instinct for fish. And I always try to say, hey, Jesus, eight fish. You know, Peter caught him, and Jesus ate him. You know, he didn't have a problem eating wildlife. And yeah, so but it's true over there now we would catch uh would catch sailfish. That was like the big thing in southern Thailand. I mean it was fantastic, but they had no problem with that. Yeah, that's that's funny, that's interesting. But so that what what I really started getting into was filming some of my hunt. So I just thought, you know, like I would look at the trophies on the wall, and you know there's something about seeing amount on the wall that brings you back to the exact hunt, right, it just unders up the feelings, and and pictures do the same. But then video I started to notice, like and I could relive the exact thing that happened. And sometimes when my is like a blur, when when it's all going down right, the adrenaline rush, you go from like zero adrenaline to like max adrenaline in a millisecond, you know how it is when you see that rack coming through the woods or something. And so then sometimes I just go on autopilot, right, and all that practice comes in, but you you just forget kind of what happened. But if I have it on video, then I go, man, that I get to relive it. Oh, I forgot that, And so I'm not like a good videographer. But I started kind of self filming and occasionally if I go somewhere that someone's with me, then I go, hey, man, can you film for me? Just a buddy. And so I started that with with a YouTube channel, and then I started really getting into broadhad of testing and because I'm an engineer, I think I'm kind of wired that way just to like testing different materials and designs and so forth. And so then that I started putting that on my YouTube channel and then it got up to like over two million views like in the last year and a half, and it's been really good. So then now that the ads on YouTube but funds my my hunting, Like I just bought a brand new bow from that, and you know, planned trips. I went on a mountain lion hunt from that, and it ends up being like the sweet gig. Just to be able to to post the videos and have it promote my actual hunting. Self sustaining in that way is awesome, like a drink, right, Yeah, yeah. I guess to kind of talk about your YouTube stuff a little bit, do you do you feel like you have the same passion to get those broadhead videos on there as you do the hunting VIDs or is that just kind of like a mean student in for you. Well, that's interesting, that's really a good question. I think it's started like probably a means to an end, but then I just started really getting into it, and I just I mean, like I invest, I invest way more money in that aspect of the of the channel than I do get a return. So I you know, when I when I'm already hunting, well then it's just a turn people watch the hunts and stuff, and I don't really have to invest anything. But when I buy the broadheads, and about about fifty percent of them I buy. Sometimes I'll go to the manufacturer say would you be willing to camp me some heads? And about fifty percent of a time I get that. Then others I go, man, I'm just gonna fork out some money and buy these because I'm really curious about them. And I don't like to be brand loyal, Like I've had different companies sponsored me with broadheads, but I don't I don't ever want to have like a mutually exclusive, you know, kind of contract where I only use their broadhead I won't do that because I just love like playing the field too much. I guess it's why people don't get married sometimes. I don't know. I don't have that problem with marriage or I don't a pastor and stuff happily married, but but I do. With broadheads. I want to always try something new, and so now it's become something that I just love. And I just when the A T A s, you know, are getting ready to come out, and I'm like, what's coming out? I'll post something on archery Talk, you know, Hey, one are the broadheads coming out of the A T A. And now I've gotten to know so many different manufacturers and talk to them. I get to know what's coming up and what design and tweaked designs with them, and man, that's just become it's really interesting. It's not a means to an end at all. It's an end in and of itself. It's it's really become one of my hobbies. Yeah, yeah, that's awesome, and we want to kind of get into that broadhead stuff a little bit more. But I had a question. You've done something that it's kind of intrigued me for for quite a few years, and I've gone really back and forth on Africa and the concept of honting in Africa. And I don't know where I'm at now, but I just kind of wanted to ask you to tell us a little bit about Africa and maybe what it's like for kind of a common guy to go to Africa, and that you ask really good questions. That's good like that, that is like, okay, I was so excited to go to Africa when I was a kid. I remember my dad just and I well, I mean I was like five, him like dreaming, him and I just dreaming together of going on an African safari. And I remember a very vivid time we were at a carnival. Excuse me and I and I found this dollar. There was a dollar on the ground. I picked it up. I go, Dad, I found a dollar. He said, son, save that for African safari. And I'm like, oh, you don't want to say my dollar. And it was just in me for so long. Well, then you know, my dad got older and you know, things don't always work out, and he ended up passing away. Um, but I was telling the story to my buddy, who's that surgeon, and he said, bro, he goes, I'm gonna take it to Africa. We're gonna go hunting. And I'm like, no, man, what we did. And so it was like the fulfillment of this dream that I had from being a kid and and this you know, continuation of my dad's legacy and in bow hunting, it was really it was kind of spiritual in that way, very spiritual and uh but anyway, but then going there, so we went to a really top watch outfit or really great reputation, and it was it was phenomenon. It was like five star food and a beautiful area and we're hunting on concessions which you know are like privately owned they called like privately owned land plots that are huge, I mean anywhere from five thousand to fifty thousand acres, but they are hyphens and you know, they're high fence, sometimes to keep certain animals out and then sometimes just to kind of protect their land. But in South Africa they're all high fence, like that are pretty much all high fence. So I'm like, Okay, that didn't really bother me because I go, well, this is Africa. But then I was sitting there in the blind, which is a very nice blind the first day and the phs. The professional hunter who's with me. He goes, Okay, you know it's gonna start getting good. When the truck comes by and I go, what what do you mean? Well, then I hear this. I can hear this squeaky truck going over the bumps in the road. He goes, here's it. Here comes And when I'm hearing that sound, all of a sudden, I start seeing all these animals like coming towards us. He was like, it's like freaking Noah's Ark and they're just like they're just pouring in. I'm like, what's going on. Well, then the truck pulled up and they knew that sound, and it dumps out all this like hey like this grass, and then it drives away, and the war dogs come in, and then the coud do you come in? The impala come in, and they all start to come in, and it was like this mixture of a rush because I've never seen these animals. I've never seen so many animals so close, and these species like you go, there's a kudu it like twenty yards and I mean it was like amazing. I was nervous, and you know, shot my first will to beast, right, there and it was just like this this really surreal experience. But then there was this other part that I was like, okay, what what is this? Like what am I dealing over here? It's just out um. It felt really camped and like really stage. And I remember going back to the to the room that night and talking to my buddy going, you know, that was awesome. It was awesome, And I go, hey, man, did did you feel this way? He's like I did, and it was just it was interesting. And I don't mean to criticize the genre of hunting, right, I mean, who were wed to to find what is hunting what isn't? But there was a part in me that I was like, Okay, this isn't what I expected. And and then I did realize that Okay, as the week went on, finding a certain trophy size of quality animal, taking the mature went out of the herd for conservation's sake and putting a great shot on it. And those animals are tough as nails. I mean, it is weird how how tough and resilient they are. It was more of a challenge than I realized. But I kept asking the pH like, hey man, can we just go like walking stock, you know, can we spot in stock? Can I want to? Just like belly crawled through the savannah? You know, that's what a picture. And so they don't like you to do that in the beginning, only because they've noticed if they do that too much, people don't get the animals that they dreamed of getting. It's much harder. And so then they leave and they're disappointed. And then they and then the pH goes, well, you wanted to walk and stalk and they're like, well, but I didn't know I wouldn't gonna get anything. And so they recommend, Okay, get what's on your hit list and then if there's time, we'll do that. So the last day and a half was literally that. I mean it was stalking, belly crawling, butt crawling along the Crocodile River. I mean that's really what the river's called it. And I know, I'm like, I am there man, we're Tarzan, Like I just loved it, and like we got into this herd of im pollen. They're all around us. And then we we crawled up and I look over and there's this war dog and and and then the pH gives me the thumbs up. Well, that kind of hunting was just amazing. Was cool. The last day, we're stalking through on this herd of zebra and we're getting closer and closer. We're down on her knees and then we're sitting on her rear ends and then the pH just looks over my shoulder and he's just opening his eyes really wide, and I'm like, the heck. And then he's like pointing behind me, and I slowly start to turn around. Well there was nothing there, And then I said, well was it? He goes, there was the biggest war hug I've seen in years, about five yards behind you, and I'm like who when he goes, and then he goes, if that would have been a lion, we'd be dead, my friends. And I'm like, I came to Africa, so that kind that like, I mean, that floated my boat. Just just suffice to say. So, I've planned another trip me and my buddy, or planned another trip back to go kate buffalo hunting with the bow. He's gonna take his three, but I'm like, no, I'm going bow. You know, I just I couldn't. I just want to go vote and we're not going to do it from a blind we're not going to do it. And you know, I go, I told the the outfit or listening, I don't want tags in their ears. I don't want to over a water hole or so. I want to like really have a real deal free range stalk on on black death. That's the different side of Africa. That's the much much more enjoyable side for me. Yeah, I'm glad you addressed that because I've um. I went on a stone sheep hunt as a videographer a few years back, actually went two years in a row, and um, the guy that I was filming for and the outfitter and the guide, they were all kind of talking about Africa and they the guide and the outfitter had been over to Africa a few times before and and talked about how much of it is fenced and and that kind of thing. And I always wonder if people, you know, if we when we talk about that, I wonder if we were going to address that or not. And I'm glad you did. And um, I mean that just sounds awesome the way you kind of approached the whole thing. Um, and how you're going back to do this, Kate Buffalo Hunt, what is your what is your setup look like as far as like how much weight are you having to pull to go on that hunt? That's a really good question. So in South Africa, a matter of one of my friends, he's a he's the dad of one of the members of our our sister congregation there in Johannesburg, and I've been over there and spoken at the church and stuff like that, and so got to talk to him quite a bit. He helped. His name is Angus Brown. He's like this prolific bow hunter in South Africa, one of like the forefathers of it. And he helped establish the minimum guidelines like the minimum uh kinetic energy you know, regulations and so forth for hunting in South Africa, for hunting dangerous game and hunting like kate buffalo and so forth. And so when he did that, and this is many years ago, but they set the minimum draw at eighty pounds and then there there's like a animum weight era. I think it was seven fifty grains. That had to be a minimum seven fifty grains and a minimum of eighty pounds draw and so and then there's a few other things along with that. But from that time till now, the Cans on the bows you know, have just become so much more efficient that what was eighty pounds before is you know easy, like uh, you know, it's like you could do that like sixty five pounds now. I mean, it's it's just there's a way, there's a there's a big difference in the camps. So most people don't follow that that kind of rule, Like I mean, you know, it's a rule, and I don't want to say who doesn't follow it, but they do want to make sure that you have enough enough kinetic energy and enough momentum. So for me, I think it's all about the weight of the arrow. And for me, I'd be shooting the bow that I have now, which is seventy three pounds uh bow tech s R six, so you know as the I v O of three fifty two. I mean, it's it's getting a good amount of speed up there and compared to like a lot of other setups. But even though I draw link is shorter, I'm able to generate a lot of speed. But then I'll have an arrow that's at least a thousand brains and you know with I mean, I'm I'm good friends with a guy at Bishop Archery and he designs these incredible broadheads made of s seven tool steel, you know the I mean they're literally the toughest broadhead in the world. I mean it's the toughest type of steel using broadheads average so difficult to machine, and they're all seen. And then he makes these arrows that are used that are the the quality of carbon in these arrows, they end up costing I'm not exaggerating. It cost about four dollars a piece certain arrows. Yeah, And so I'm gonna get to use those if I go on this Cape Buffalo hunt. So you know, he's just he's like an expert in momentum and kinetic energy and breaching bone and off like that. So I feel confident that with what I'll be using, you know, I'll be able to to do fine in that regard. Is that those broadheads two blades or it has both? So for he has both. He has a three blade um and he has one that's for dangerous game. That's it's a five hundred grain three blade with serrated edges. I mean it looks like I'm not kid, it looks like a spearhead. Like if I could show you a picture that he set me one of those things, and I'm like, you, law, that just looks awesome. That thinks something you hang on the wall. It's a bad looking broadhead. So he has that. But then, uh, but then the one he really recommends is his two blade single bevil, and he calls us a scientific method. But he has a six hundred grain to blade, I mean six hundred grain broadhead, and this thing is made out of S seven tool steel, like one of them. I think it costs like two hundred something bucks for like one broadhead. I mean, this thing is like and I could be wrong and maybe it's a hundred fifty bucks, but it's a lot. And I mean it is amazing. I've shot those things through steel flat bar eight in steel flat bar, through concrete. I mean, they're they're almost indestructible. And with the thickness that they have and that edge there, gosh, the rotation they get is fantastic. So he's done a lot of research in single bevel broadheads and and he's found that some of the conclusions that dr Ashby had, who's kind of like, you know, written more about the benefits of single bevel broadheads than anyone else, some of the conclusions were erroneous found to be erroneous in his testing, and so he's come to some different conclusions about some of these things and proven them over and over in all of his testing. He used to live right next door to this uh, this bison what bison farm, you know, where like they would you know, manufacturer get the meat and stuff like that, and then he would get all the bones for really cheap. And so he's shot I mean thousands and thousands of arrows with every broadhead tight made, and then so many more he designed through all these big heavy bones until he found like, Okay, this is going to be the best set up to breach bone and and that's what he that's why he came up with what he has. So I feel like I just can't wait to put one of those things through a k bubb. Yeah. So let's dive into that single bevel stuff just a little bit, just kind of a high level. Um. I've never shot a single bevel broadhead, but I've been intrigued by, partially from some videos I've watched of yours, uh and some of the bishop stuff you know that you've you've promote, But can you explain to us the difference in a rotational wound channel versus a straight wound channel, and why it's beneficial to have the rotational Yeah, that's really a good question. And you know, all of this is somewhat right. There's you know, it's kind of cutting edge debatable. I'm also just on a side note, I'm really good friends with Bill, the guy that owns iron Will, and he was there in Denver. We hung out. I mean, we talk all the time about his design, and he has a double bevel design and so and he's a you know, he's an engineer. He's like, he teaches at University of Colorado in in mechanical engineering. So he both of these guys are are well sean with Bishop his PhD. And then he's this guy, Bill is a is an instructor and mechanical engineering. But but they're both brilliant guys, and so even at their level, there's there's kind of a bit of a debate, you know, and and about which is better. And I understand that. But the primary benefits of a single bevel are if it's designed correctly, and most are not. That's like so important understandings. True. If it's designed correctly, then the rotation and the arrow that's already generated by your veins. Okay, so it's our Your arrow is already spinning light. Hence it gets that rifling and and finer accuracy, right that holds on targets. Why we have the veins. So once that the arrow hits the target, that hits an animal, then that rotation stops unless you have a single bevel. And single bevel with its edge allows it to continue to spin because as it drives into the animal, the force of resistance against that single bevel causes the broadhead and the whole arrow to rotate even more. So it's like, one, you've got the speed of the veins spinning the arrow, but then two you've got this new force that's that's causing the air to rotate from the bettle itself. Whereas a double vel it won't rotate. It'll just you know, it'll stop that initial rotation caused by the veins and lose all of that extra force that was spinning the arrow, and it just stops. But it goes. You know, it cuts through directly cuts through a straight wound. In terms of the wound channel itself. There's two mary benefits. The first is if it hits a heavy bone, Okay, if you've got a double bevel, it's gonna cut into the heavy bone. But oftentimes the the arrow itself, the shaft is of a wider diameter than that two blade head is that's going into it. And so a lot of times the shaft can get stuck in the in the bone itself, or face a lot of resistance as it squeezes through that split blone that cut bone. But with a single bevel, when it hits that bone, it rotates and it splits it. It doesn't just cut a hole, It literally splits it like like splitting wood. And I've shot a number of them into like Tubay four's and and bone has like um has like a grain to it, like a like a tu Bay four does. And so whether you hit it with the blades, hitting vertically or hitting horizontally, it doesn't matter. There's a rotation that causes that a two by four just to split, and so it splits apart like vertically with the grain, and that allows the entire shaft to just zip right through that bone. It's not cutting a hole, it's breaking a hole. And so then it also causes an incredible amount of damage like, if you're like an animal, you go, would you rather have a little hole punched through your bone? Or would you rather have your bone split like end to end and make like you know, an eight in split long ways in your bone. I mean, that's gonna hurt so pleasant. So it aids in kinetration in that sense, and it also aids in the damage that's inflicted upon that bone. But then there's another benefit that when it goes through the softer tissue like the innerds and man, I've seen this in animals that I have shot. When it goes through the inside, it's spinning so much, it gets it gets what's like the spaghetti wrapped around in a fork effect. So you know, if you're like eating spaghetti and you twisted around the noodles around your fork, then you cut them, You're gonna cut a lot more noodles than if you just mash your fork onto the noodles on the plate, right, So you twist it around. So when the when the broadhead is spinning that much, it literally twists the softer tissue and organs around the broadhead as it cuts them, and so it causes a much bigger or it can cause a much bigger wound channel than the cut itself, because it's stretched these organs and then cuts them just like spaghetti noodles. And I've seen that. I've tested it inside of a pumpkin just to see that, and you can really see, if you know, it's like it's like a kid when you're the camp fire, he can I burn the can you know? Can I burn your hat? I'm not way with broadhead? And I'm like, what if I got it throw a pumpkin. It had all like the guts and the pumpkin, and and you could look in and see, wow, it really did twist around this broadhead and it cut a bigger chunk out of the guts than just a straight knife wound would have made. So it's interesting to see that. And then I've noticed when I shoot a single bevel into an animal as well, that the initial hole it's it's almost around. It's either round or it's square. It's weird. Here's a two blade head that will go in and that initial hole in the hide will be round, and it's just it's rotating so fast with the fletching and with the single bevel causing it rotation that it just it literally just spirals a hole, and so it punched the big hole. Now by the time it goes through the animal, it's not rotating nearly as much. So the exit hole is like a slit like it would be with a double bevel. But that initial wound to the hide, that round, circular, bigger hole that doesn't close up. You get that with a single level and you don't with a double level. So there's you know, there's some you know, some interesting observations. But this is where there's two problems with a single bevel. First, they have to be thick enough, actually three problems, have to be thick enough in order for them to generate enough force to twist or rotate the broadhead in the animal. A lot of single bevels you'll see out there, they're just too thin. They're they're like, you know, if you're below point oh six oh inches, they found it just doesn't rotate enough to do any significantly extra damage with a single bevel, So they have to be at least point oh six oh inches thick. Then Ashby. What dr Ashby had had concluded is the best rotation was found with a twenty five degree um degree bevel, So he thought, okay, if it's a twenty five degree bet, well that's op simle for for rotation and when what was what was happening is a lot of single bebbles. One of the other problems is there's so much pressure on that leading edge because it's not two blades, it's like one blade is rotating. It's facing so much pressure that most broadheads experienced edge chatter, where that you know that the the edge itself like gets gets nicked up on on bone and stuff because there's just so much pressure as it rotates. Oftentimes the ferrell it breaks off at the ferreal too, because there's so much torque that it just twists off. It shears off the broadhead if it's an inferior steel. And so what this guy from Bishop did is he goes, Okay, well, I'm gonna use S seven tool steel. And there's propriety proprietary seven tool steel that's you know, not only got a rockwell hardness of fifty eight, but it's got a chart the V Notch index, which tests a steal's resistance to impact. That's that's like so important in broadheads. So he used that and its resistance to impact is about five times what typical four twenty stainless steel. Is is that like, can you so is resistance to impact? Is that kind of like curling of the tip and that kind of thing? Um, Yeah, it's like curling of the tip. It's and it's like it's mostly like the edge chatter itself, but it can also be curling to the tip. And what they do for a V notches they take a chunk of steel and there's that they have this machine and they drop it on it. That that makes this it makes this like dent egg and they see how much it's dented by this V shaped forced coming down on it. So that that's how they measure the resistance to impact. And and so if when he's looking at these twenty five degree bevils of single blades, all of which are experiencing this edge chatter, and he found that penetration is not it's sharpness is not as significant to penetration as edge integrity is. And it's like sounds really deep, but what have like think about if you have a really sharp broadhead going in, but then if it gets nicked up, that broadhead is extremely dull, whereas if you have one that may not feel super sharp going in but that edge will not budge that in the long run is going to be more effective at penetration than one that gets nicked up. And so so he he'd used this seven tool steel, thinking, okay, I can use this optimal what Ashby says, twenty five degree level and it will not experience edge shatter. Well, then as he started to research it and do all these testing, he found, oh, degrees is not does not cause the optimal rotation. Actually, forty five degrees does. And so he found that forty five degrees is the optimal rotating force or the optimal edge angle to create a rotating force in a single level. But forty five degrees it's like it's not very sharp, like it's just it's just a you know, a chunk when it's that thick, and it's just like just like a you know, a half a square, you know kind of a thing. And so then he goes, Okay, the best compromises forty degrees. So forty degrees is sharp enough and yet also causes enough rotation that's optimal that you have at least point oh six inches, and then it's a forty three level, and then it's um and then it's of a great steel that won't experience that edge chatter. That's when you've got a winner of a of a single level. Holy cow dude, right, I mean you had your physics lesson for it's too early. So just to clarify a few things, there's a lot of really cool information there. Um, I'm pretty much sold, you know what I mean. But so the single bevel, I feel like somewhere in there you mentioned that a two blade versus uh like a three blade or something like that had some effect on penetration or the bone splinter or something like that. Can you kind of recap that because I just got lost in there. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's all right. Just that so that that if you have a two blade, I mean a two blade, a really sharp, good two blade, it will cut through bone, right, I mean, it's gonna cut you enough momentum, excuse me, kinetic energy, it's gonna cut through the bone. But there's a difference between cutting through it and breaking it open. And one is it's more damaging to break it open. But two is the shaft of the arrow is thicker than the two blades are wide, And so two blades just cut a slit, and then you're hitting the ferrel and you're hitting the shaft, and that shaft is gonna have to go through the bone, and it's wider than those two blades are, and so there's gonna be some resistance that comes from that. Either it can get wedged in there or it can just experience resistance that can hinder the penetration. So that's that's the theory behind it. Now you can overcome that. What you say, like with an iron, will you go, well, what if you put in bleeders, Because then you've got bleeders, you know, So you've got four blades in effect, you know, too blade designed within these these two offset blades, and so you've got these other two blades and they open up just enough to where they're cutting through the bone and and then the arrow can zip right through at the shaft can zip through it. So a four blade like that they found is oftentimes more effective at breaching bone than just a two blade is. Now there's debate about that. You know, some people say, no, that's not true. Some people say no, that's absolutely true. And but that's just kind of an interesting thing. So I look at it and I go, Okay, if I look at a single bevel, for me, I think a single bevel to blade is better than a double bevel to blade. That's just my personal opinion. And and then from what I've experienced. But then you go, Okay, the benefit you're getting with a spiral wound channel is that off said by having too extra blades. If you've got two bleeders, well, now you're cutting a lot more tissue than just the diameter of those two main blades. Now you're cutting like a half inch of tissue the other way. And so that the two main blades plus those two those two bleeders, is that making a better wound channel and damaging more tissue than a single bevel to blade would. And that's a good debate, Like there's no way to that, and that's what like the iron wheel says, Okay, we'll put in a little you know, bleeders there, and then that's going to be of greater benefit than a rotating single bevel. And then people say, yeah, it will, it'll cut more tissue, but a rotating single bevel will split bone apart and a double bevel with bleeders won't do that. And that's where the debate goes on and on right, and that's what makes it fun. And so like with with me in my broadhead choice, I just I would love to be like Tyler and go. I've used one for twenty years, you know, I've got I've got the Muzzy three blades. Is that what you use. I've been using a Spitfire um this, uh you know, nap spit Fire hundred grain for forever. And I actually went to their Spitfire Max, which is just like a gotta cut on contact head kind of like the rage. You know, been using that for about the last five years or so, and uh, it's worked for me, but I'm you know, I'm a Those are fantastic actually in all of my tests tests, Okay, I love to test mechanicals. That's a whole you know, separate table. The advantage of mechanicals, right, is that you talk about a wound channel you can get without sacrificing flight, you can get incredible opening and tissue damage, I mean phenomenal. And so it's it's primary. Well, it's got two benefits, right, I Mean you've got the slow profile and flight and if a head is is constructed well machine, well it spins true then the next thing that determines how well that arrow is gonna fly or the broad head is the surface area. And if you've got you know, too much of a surface area, it's going to act like a rudder on the plane. It's gonna act like the veins of the of the fletching, and it can shear, it can plane off course. So if your bow is not really well tuned when you're using a fixed blade head, then it can it can be very finnic. And even if it's well tuned, if your grip or your form is a little bit off the man at like sixty undred yards that's fixed blade, it's gonna be a little more finicky to with your field point right with your feel points. But with a mechanical you know, you kind of don't even have to worry about that. And the lower profile it is in flight, the less surface area, the better it's going to fly, the more forgiven it's going to be. And then you go, yeah, but so you get the best of both worlds. You get like low profile and flight, so it flies great, and then a bigger profile once it hits the animal. You know what's to like about that? And so that you know mechanicals I think really have their place and they've gotten so much, you know, better, and people are coming out. I just tested a brand new design from Sick the other day. S I K it's like a new broad En manufacturer. And I just love that they're still coming out with new designs. You know, A Flicker has come out with some really creative stuff in recent years and new designs, and so you kind of think there's nothing new under the sun, but there is, you know. And with with mechanicals, people are coming out with new stuff. And so for me, like I tested enough mechanicals that I go, Okay, I want a deep penetrating mechanical, and for me, I prefer a rear deploying one because then I'm gonna get I'm guaranteed at least to have a very large entrance wound. I may not get a pass through, but i'm gonna I'm guaranteed those blades are going to open if they're rear deploying, and I'm gonna get the full two inches or two and a quarter or one and a half inches have cut upon entry if I'm using an over the top expandable Okay, like you said, like a spitfire and I use those too. I like those or you know, a grip reaper or something like that that the advantages. Okay, they penetrate pretty well because they're not hitting with their full blade open upon entry. I mean, they're hitting with it smaller, so there's less resistance and it's going to penetrate deeper. But if you don't get a pass through, then you're not going to get much blood because they're you're getting this small entrance because the blades have not open, they haven't fully deployed. And if you if they pass through, well then you get a big old exit. You like, it's awesome. But if they don't pass through, you're kind of stuck and you don't have much to a blood and then you may drop the animal in fifty yards whether there's a blood trail or not. But if you're going for you know, okay, I want to be able to follow a blood trail. If I shoot an elk man, I'm this thing can run like a mile in in about a minute. You know, I want to make sure that that I have a blood trail to be able to follow it. And so that's when I like to have a rear deploying head to guarantee at least get a big opening. So I'm gonna get blood, but then possibly even get a pass through. And I mean that's just for me personally, But but I shoot all kinds of different mechanicals and then so then I go, Okay, what am I gonna shoot? Am I gonna shoot my you know, fixed blade heads that are really reliable and are going to penetrate deep, and they're just they're way tougher. I mean, there's just there's no comparison. I I test a mechanical compared to a fix and I shoot them, you know, through MDF, you know, fiber board like stuff, and and I shoot him at an angle, and I shoot them through steel plate, and I shoot him into like a zero impact test into concrete. I mean, there's just there's no mechanicals that can handle the concrete. They just they just can't if they're not designed too many moving parts. That's okay, I know, you don't hunt concrete. Sometimes they hit you know, you have a big bone or something, you know, and it can cause that same damage. So then I go, what do do Like if if the animal is broadside and I got like a broadside shot. That's what I would rather have a big mechanical because man, I'm gonna go it's gonna be a pass through and man, it's gonna it's gonna open a big wide, you know hole, and I'm gonna be good. But if it's quartering towards me or really steep quartering away where penetration is like it's huge, it's everything, then I'd rather have a fixed blade where it's gonna be tough and maybe go through shoulder, go through a big bone and penetrate really really deeply. So in my in what I find is when I'm hunting, whichever one I don't have on my bowstring, that's the one I wish I had. Like, right, I mean I'll go like I'll go, okay this year, man, I'm growing, I'm going grave digger, I'm going like maximum carnage. And I've got this big old hybrid head on there. Well, here comes this beautiful bug quartering right towards me, and as soon as it gets broadside, it's gonna send me. I'm like, I gotta take this quartering towards me side and boom, you know, I drill it and I got it. But but man, there was no blood. I mean, I found the animal eight yards away. It was great, but but there was no blood, and I was freaking out for a while. Whereas I know, if I was using my fixed blade head, that probably would have zipped right through and and then I would have had a nice blood trail. But then there's other times that I go, man, that that animal was broadside. If I would have used a big mechanical, it would have been down in thirty yards. But I put this a little fixed blade right through and he ran half a mile. You know, I usually have both in my quiver. Just yeah, that's that's pretty good. Casey kind of did that something this year. And I've definitely noticed a lot of these things you're saying. I haven't had great penetration with that that head. I've killed everything I've shot at pretty much, and I think this year having that big wound channel with a three blade spitfire. You know, even Casey said, uh in the in the phone call after before I had, you know, even located this dear as being dead. Um, you know, man, you you got three blade mechanical on there. Things, you know, eating through a lot as it goes through, And I think it really saved me this year, but uh, I had to. I was you know, I did a grid search. Luckily I kind of had a good idea of where he was gonna end up in bed down, but uh, you know, there was no blood trail really because and it and it he was even to pass through. But a lot of times, you know, if I'm hitting a rib or two on the way through on a big Midwestern buck, you know, it's it's not really going to get through there a lot of times. So I haven't had a lot of pass throughs. And I think, you know, Casey's definitely he got a new bow and he's shooting a lot faster this year, and he was able to get a couple of broadheads that worked really well out to like fourty or fifty yards, you know, patterned consistently to each other. And I think that was definitely, you know, something that was that could be advantageous for me in the future. Yeah, you know, I shot um, I kind of did what you did, and I'm we talked before we got on the phone here on the podcast, like you and I are both tinkerers. And then Tyler's kind of just you know, find what works and go with it. And I just love swapping out broadhead and shooting stuff with different broadheads. Well, this year I shot and elk with a rage hypodermic, which is kind of like the standby of all mechanicals. Everybody shoot deermics. And then I shot a white tail with an exodus and funny enough, I went through both shoulders with the elk and I went in and buried up in the opposite shoulder with the exodus on on a small, little East Texas white tail. But I think it's um A because I hit dead square in the shoulder, you know. And then B this is kind of my question for you, um what is how do blade angle and then surface cut corral correlate. So, yes, this this broadhead might have you know, two point three inches of of of cut, but the blade angles are sticking straight out, So in my mind that's a lot more resistance than something who has a much more swept blade. Maybe it's a longer blade, but it's sweat back at a at a sharper angle, so it's not pushing as much. Is that Is that something that we need to calculate in It's it's an interesting question, and you know, just intuitively, you say Okay, the steeper the blade angle, the less effectively it's going to penetrate. Right, But what I found is the most important thing is the total like diameter of the cut. So you know, if you have two inches of cut versus one and a half inch of cut, that's more important. That determines penetration more than the blade angle does, like that Trump's blade angle. Now, not if it's just like you know, like a turkey head where it's horizontal degrees, okay, I think, but if there's a bit of an angle to it, Honestly, it's less of an issue than most people realize, but it becomes a perceived issue, and so a lot of times people go, well, it's got such a you know, uh, it's such a non stent angle, such a flat angle, that it's not going to penetrate. Well, well, it definitely hinders penetration, but that's not as important as the total cut. Okay, So that's like one thing. But if you can get the best of both worlds, that you get enough of a cut while having a good blade angle, you know it's a good swept angle, well then yeah, you're gonna get the best penetration with that. But you know Aspy was the one that came out with this it has to be a three to one blade angle, you know, and and that's been proven to be not true. I mean, you know he uses it. You know the he talks about the mechanical advantage. Well, mechanical advantage in physics. That's true. If you're if you're you know, you're you're you're got a lever under a rock, you know, when you're pressing down, and you know that's where you want the three to one advantage, like you can. It works for a lever, but it's not it's not the same with breaching bone and with penetration that a lot of times that that longer, that longer broadhead can be more disadvantaged because as there's there's more like surface area that's that's causing resistance within the tissue itself, and so it's it's not always more swept is meaning it's going to penetrate better. It's funny. I tested the tooth of the arrow broadhead the other day through wood, and I'm looking at this thing and it has It's funny because it had like an end more cut than this other head I was testing, and but the broadhead like the blade angle was a lot less swept than this other broadhead, but it penetrated more like it it penetrated more effectively in the in the wood than did the other one. I'm like, gosh, it's kind of baffling. Sometimes things are kind of counterintuitive in physics. And I think, you know, like sharpness tends to be that way as compared to edge retention. That's much more important, and and blade angle, I think is it's it's definitely an issue, but I don't think it's as big of an issue as most people realize. Yeah, well, I'm glad there's guys like you who are willing to put in the time and the effort to test all this stuff because I just don't. I don't have it. I don't have that time. So yeah, right, I mean it's all a choice of what we want to do. And yeah, I'm grateful for that too, that I can learn from people that. Man, I go, I could never spend the kind of time you're doing research in that, but I can learn from it. And it's something anybody hasn't figured out, right. I Mean there's like you know, you you propose something, then like the next year, you go, oh, that sucked. You know that that was wrong about that. I mean, if wherever we think we figured it out, that's where we know we're in the wrong place, that's right, it would right. We gotta constantly be pressing the envelope, and we owe it to the animal to be thinking what can we do too, What can I do to be the most effective ethical hunter possible and despatch of this animal as quickly as possible for my own practice, to my set up to the broadhead selection for the animal. And I'll select a broadhead based on the animal that I'm hunting. I mean I almost always. I can't think of a time I don't do that. If I'm hunting, you know, hogs or smaller deer, I'm gonna go, or turkey, I'm gonna go with this type of head, bear, this type of head, and you know, elk, maybe this type of head. And that's just because I have enough different heads and have done enough research to go. Man, you know, one head isn't the best for every situation, Like one tire isn't the best for you know, on your truck year round. You know, there's different different climates and areas that you go. This tire is going to be better here. This tire is gonna be better there. It's the same with with broadheads, in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, that's right man. And and you said we owe it to the animals, and I know you believe this, but we owe it to God's creation to be good caretakers and uh, and that's kind of what we're here for, you know, John, I knew that as soon as I started researching you and watching your videos. If you're carrying a Bible in a boat, there's not much else I want out of a pillow, you know what I mean. You got to be a pretty good guy on my Instagram might say that the world passed really using both summarizes in my life more than anything else. That's right, dude. Well, hey John, Um, we gotta let you go. Man, you full, You're full of so much good information. We'd love to have you on and maybe you can do like a two oh one or something later on in the summer or something, really get into some of this broadhead stuff, um, because man, you've done so much testing and you're such an intuitive guy. We really appreciate it. Um. Where if someone is interested in, you know, maybe watching some of your videos or viewing some of your content. Where should we send them? Yeah, please go to my YouTube page lusk Archery Adventures. I've got like, I've got over eighty different videos there. At about sixty of them are my own bow hunts, and then over twenty of them are broadhead tests. I mean, I'm tested over fifty different heads and I got a bunch more that I've already tested that I'm releasing a new video this next week, and another one the next week and more on the way, and then I got some bow reviews it. Honestly, it's just a good resource. Not that I have all the answers, but it's kind of a layman's approach, you know. It's it's not super polished, and that's that's kind of what my intent is. It's just a dude that's testing the stuff out. And you know, I got an engineering background, but I love to test this and love to hunt. So go to the channel and watch it or instagram same thing, lust Garchery Adventures. Awesome. Alright, cool man, Well, we'll definitely send people over there and check that out. That. We'll put those links in the notes down below. John. I can't thank you enough, man, I can't wait to uh talk more with you likewise anytime. Guys. You guys are great. I love what you're doing. I love the faith behind it as well. I just I mean, you're right up my alley in terms of our our passions. Applaud you well, thank you. I very much appreciate that. We'll have to meet up sometime, man, get together and do some shooting or something. Yeah. I love that. Texas is actually my favorite place to hunt. I mean, hogs are my number one favorite animals hunt. I don't know why, but I just love. Well, well, we'll have plenty of stories to share that because I've done quite a bit of that. But it's almost like, I mean, they're just a nuisance to us, you know. And I hate to say that, you know, but it's just it's just gotten that way. But uh yeah, it's I'm glad there's people like you who really love to hunt him. To come down here and kill as many as you can. Please say, yeah, yeah, all right, John, We'll catch you later, man, Okay, thanks Broke all right, dude, like my mind, like numbers numbers there too too early for all the numbers, you can tell that, uh that you were over there, like oh, my goodness, and I was too a lot like this is something that's a little bit more in my realm, you know, like the technical side of broadheads and stuff. But I'm nowhere near what John is and I'm really ready to get him back on and to really dive deep into some broadhead stuff because that's fun, man. Yeah, I mean, and if you liked that, if that's like, crop up your alley. We are going to get him back on this summer, I think. So subscribe to the pod casts and you'll see when he comes back on along with some of the other good guests that we're gonna get this summer. I'm excited. We're talking with him right now trying to schedule things up. Um. There is a small game film that we released video. I shouldn't call it a film, it's a video. It's like, uh, one of the best p lcs. You know, you can imagine, I guess you're just smoking squirrels and paints and rabbits and everything, and uh, you know, we got out and did that pretty quick after the season, and the video just released I think last week or so, so if you haven't seen it, go check it out. Um, I mean, it's it's action packed. It was. It was fun. And speaking of action packed, dude, I'm like, even through this cold weather, and maybe because of this cold weather, I'm like itching to get out and do some fishing. Man, I saw you scratch them all ago. Yeah, it's all over me. I've been hanging out with a guy who used to fish the BSS Tour, So believe me, I'm kind of hot. You fished the Classic twice, I know. And he's also caught more fish over thirteen pounds and put them in the the Lunker program in Texas than anybody else. Because there's three of them. That's that's all three. But okay, yeah, but he has caught a fourth. Did he tell you that? I hadn't told me. It was outside, it was in the summertime. Oh no, yeah he told me so, I mean, like the realm, the real Yeah, not this ten pounds. No, No, I'm so disappointed right now. It would be like, okay, so, don't get me wrong. A ten pound fish is like no, but they're accepting. They're accepting like seven pounders. Now, I'm dead serious. I thought it was te uh no, now it's uh there. I have to look it up. So if you want to fact check me, and you can if you're from Texas and this matters to you. But seven eight pounders, like I can't remember, uh you know, they may have to be overs or something like that. I can't remember, but like seven pounds they've got Like these they've got like three leagues now, so like bronze, you know, uh, silver, platinum, whatever it is, we're gonna get participation medals. When you say it's made, it's frustrating, dude, because they're and they're calling them all lunkers, you know what I mean. That's the frustrating parties. Like it just would be like if we started calling one twenty white tail booners. Yeah exactly. I mean, like it needs a different uh terminology, you know for it. I think it's not fair to the guys who have caught actual thirteen plus pounders to be like, oh, yeah, I caught a seven and it was in the locker program. It's like, well it's a big fish, dude, I haven't. I mean, I could count on you and I could count the number of seven pounders that I've probably caught, and I don't, you know, like there's a bunch of them. So I don't know. I don't remember every one of them. But like there's also it's a limited number, like that's a huge fish, like when I could just send pounder and pumped. Oh yeah, I tell people about it, you know what I mean. But uh, but it's not. It's literally half the size of some of the fishing the locker program, you know what I mean, and you know from over the years, and so it's disappointing to me. It's disappointed. I don't know. I don't, I don't. I don't get it. But hey, if it gets people out there fishing, then that's good. But I don't know. The thing is that a lunker program was set up as a conservation, well conservation in a way, it's set up to produce big bass. Well, what's the purpose of bringing smaller bass into that program. I don't I don't understand it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not sure either either way. I'm to have that Richard Richard. That's probably maybe somebody from Athens or something like that. But it'd be cool to do a to a bass podcast and talk about the Uh, we could go back to some of the guys, the guys who I can't remember his name all of sudden, but UM, the guy who basically created the idea of the Lucker program be cool to talk about, would it would? Maybe? If you are interested in hearing about that, let us know somewhere, send us a message on or email or message on media or something. And if your local as well. Uh, this applies for a lot of people. Something to think about, UM, but particularly local to Texas. UM, the Texas Parks and Wildlife input days or going on right now. There's a lot of regulations that they need your input on whether they will listen or not was is to be determined, but it's all and did not determine last year. UM. But one in particular that's important to us is that there's there's talks of expending the so called dough days from four days to sixteen days during the Texas rifle season, which would be beneficial con highly beneficial for those counties. UH to be able to do that, to help maintain a more quality do your herd so in a relief pressure on smaller legal but exactly and to relieve pressure on us socially, because to be honest, I would love to get out and shoot some does but whenever, Okay, when you're married, you probably give this and then if there's any divorces in your family, you probably even understand any more even more. But there's not just one Thanksgiving. There's four to twelve Thanksgivings, so you have to be a part of and whenever those days are on Thanksgiving, it makes it really hard. You either get to shoot a dough or get that divorce that we were talking about because you don't show up to you don't show up to Thanksgiving, so it makes it very difficult. You have family responsibilities, and that was not worth a dice. Maybe it may be a bowner I'll see that, uh, but but for real, And and I literally talked about that to my wife last night because I've been I've been uh consuming a lot of media indirectly from the deer hunting world as I'm putting together certain things right now. Um, and I just look at some of these guys, I'm like, man, these guys are selling out so hard for deer that it's uh, I could I can see this affecting their relationship, you know, And and uh it's sad uh that that can happen, But I can also see how it can happen easily, like you know, by the grace of God, I'm not that way. Uh, and I and I could be better probably, you know what I mean. And also so it's uh, it's something you have to be careful out for sure. But that's the kind of a side notice to what you're saying. Definitely make sure you put your input in if you're from Texas because we personally will appreciate that. Um. And uh, like you said, man, I didn't get to shoot a dough this year. Uh, there was. I had some opportunities that I passed. I filmed you early in the season, and uh, dough D's came around. And I do have divorces in my family that uh uh and lots of Thanksgivings, and when you know they base four days of dose season around Thanksgiving, it's kind of hard to get out, man. So hopefully we'll get that expanded a sixteen days. Uh. They didn't listen to us on a key thing last year, but maybe they'll listen to us this year and give us feel good, you know, a moral victory. That's right. So anyway, I guess that's gonna about wrap it up for us. I appreciate you listening we're getting rolling back on this thing. It feels good to be podcasting and uh talking with guys who are superum just knowledgeable about things like that. Man, that's a that's a gay changer for me, and I'm super interested in it. It's just not something that I've ever spent time doing, you know what I mean. So sometimes those are the best ones to do. You know that podcast showed that because you actually had more questions than I did. And this was kind of like the guy like I kind of talked talked about wanted to talk to you, but like your stuff was so much like better than mine because you were coming at it fresh, you know what I mean. I just I don't know. I'm just so blue collar and my approach to that side of things something that you would say, and not blue collar that's saying like dumb, but blue collar as in, like I better work instead of research this today, you know whatever. So anyway, I think we're about to roll out go enjoy some of this cold weather and and are you going to work. I'm gonna try not to you, but it might have to. Might just stop by Gordon, doesn't get me some spicy, some spicy real quick, boy, how do you anyway? I hope you guys have a great week. I hope you stay one arm. And uh, if you've got any pictures of sheds, man, send them our way because we're itching and we don't have any shed Bucks around here right now, I don't think so. Anyway, God bless you guys, and remember this is your element living in h

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