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There's no way to encapsulate Brody handily with a rhyme or anything. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: M h good, talk about a bunch of stuff from the Rody Brody. Yeah, Grody Brody. That's good. 00:02:04 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's very middle school I got. 00:02:07 Speaker 7: Well, that's the first thing that came to me. Give me a little bit of time, might come up with something better. Karen's also here. 00:02:12 Speaker 2: I feel like nickname? What would you call it? Krinnm? Yeah? Have you ever had a nickname? 00:02:21 Speaker 8: I have had a nickname. Maybe some people would be offended by it. I got a nickname and I went to when I was in middle school. No I know you guys probably wouldn't be offended, but uh it was Chew c h E. W went to a mean all girls camp and some gals gave me that nickname because it's a combination of Chinese and Jew. 00:02:44 Speaker 2: That's great. 00:02:46 Speaker 7: Hmm. 00:02:48 Speaker 5: Can we go with like Chewyn? 00:02:49 Speaker 2: We call you Chewy because. 00:02:52 Speaker 5: Because Chew, I thought it was going to be like they didn't like the way. 00:02:55 Speaker 7: You ate yea Chew. 00:02:57 Speaker 5: I thought it was comment on your table man. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: Well, no, it's just Chew. Is hard to like Chewy? That's endearing? 00:03:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, just Chew. 00:03:10 Speaker 3: There's already a pretty famous Chewy nickname. 00:03:15 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that Chewy All that's cool. Yeah. 00:03:21 Speaker 1: I got a bunch of uh some some news stuff. We're gonna touch on the NFL. We're gonna touch on some political stuff. 00:03:26 Speaker 7: Uh. 00:03:27 Speaker 1: We're gonna touch on some wildlife politics involving one of my favorite animals, the American Buffalo. We're gonna touch on crossbow. Is this cross Bowl? 00:03:36 Speaker 6: Love or hate? 00:03:40 Speaker 2: Neutral? 00:03:40 Speaker 1: On crossbow. We're gonna talk about Billy the Kid in the astext. We're gonna talk about I'll be your huckle bearer or not. We're gonna talk about the Denver Police Department. We're gonna talk about a guy who really needs to just buck up. We're gonna talk about hunted advice for a guy. We're talking about the implosion of the Sierra Club and a symptom of that or a cause of that. 00:04:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. First off, here's a funny story. 00:04:11 Speaker 1: So Sunday, Saturday, I'm with my two younger kids, my older kids at work and with my two little kids, and we're going out trapping and we go into I'm not gonna name the ca I'll tell. 00:04:22 Speaker 2: You guys, the coffee shop. 00:04:23 Speaker 1: Later be like coffee shops around here, Like a designated coffee shop is a soft place. Yes, they are soft places. Like the most rugged thing that's gonna walk into. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: A coffee shop around here be like a fly fisherman. 00:04:36 Speaker 7: Do you know what I'm saying, Well, hunters and loggers also walk into coffee shop. 00:04:43 Speaker 2: Is not the feeling you get. 00:04:44 Speaker 1: And we go into a coffee shop and I'm getting a feeling. I'm getting like a feeling from the person that the gall. 00:04:50 Speaker 2: That works there. 00:04:51 Speaker 8: So it's like it's like going to a gas station and getting coffee versus going to if. 00:04:56 Speaker 6: You're at a lucky Lil's at five o'clock in the morning. 00:04:59 Speaker 2: That's a car that's a hard place. 00:05:02 Speaker 1: The people that work there, not the dog un Lucky Litt's, but like you know, the people that work there. 00:05:07 Speaker 2: Place might do hard things. 00:05:09 Speaker 5: There's a place that you can get a macha or a yakkiata. 00:05:13 Speaker 1: Or yeah, when you go into a gas station, it's a hard place for people to do hard things. 00:05:19 Speaker 2: When you go into a designated coffee. 00:05:21 Speaker 1: Shop where you have to tell them what you want and then go stand around while they make it, that's a soft place. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: It just is, Yanni, don't definitely advocate me. 00:05:30 Speaker 6: I'm just asking, like, if if they have a little sign that gives their Wi Fi passwords, do. 00:05:37 Speaker 7: You feel like there's less or more judging that happens at either one of those places judging. 00:05:42 Speaker 2: It's just a soft place for soft people, I know. 00:05:45 Speaker 7: But you're getting a vibe from her, so I'm wondering if she's like. 00:05:50 Speaker 2: That's my story, but I'm just trying to set it up. 00:05:52 Speaker 6: Okay, I thank you. 00:05:55 Speaker 7: You don't even know should we just start this is why you invited me here or not? 00:05:59 Speaker 2: It is? No, you're doing a good job. Thank you. You're doing. I'm sorry, you're doing a great job. 00:06:05 Speaker 1: I'm getting soft vibes. At the coffee shop. I'm with my two little kids. She's making the drinks. They want hot chocolates, She's making them. She says to my kids, what you guys got going on today? My daughter says, trapping like watching her for some sign, you know, I mean, like some sign. And this is all happening so fast. In my head, I'm watching for some sign of like what condemnation, clarification and confusion? Nothing, nothing, And I'm already thinking to myself, man, not even like a follow up question. 00:06:53 Speaker 2: Okay. Then she hands the kids their hot chocolate and says, have fun shopping. 00:07:02 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'll point out you said it was a soft place, but it's kind of a soft moved. Go buy hot chocolate and a coffee shop. 00:07:09 Speaker 2: I told you, I'm there. I'm there. I'm there. 00:07:13 Speaker 1: It's just don't act like you don't get what I'm saying. Man, when you walk into a coffee shop, I. 00:07:17 Speaker 6: Know, Listen, you don't get judged at the lucky litts. I will say, I'm not gonna judge you. 00:07:22 Speaker 5: No, there's there's two gradations I think of coffee shops. There's places that have drip coffee ready to go, and then there's the places that do pour over and they don't like a coffee shop or stand that doesn't have just drip coffee. To my mind, it's you think that's far and few between. 00:07:40 Speaker 7: I mean most places. 00:07:42 Speaker 5: Have what I what I'm saying is that there are places that don't just have drip ready to go. They say, oh, we could make you an Americano. 00:07:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a place that deals the traffic and indulgences. 00:07:53 Speaker 5: It's like, well, there's performance. 00:07:58 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I'm making sure you more for that performance. 00:08:01 Speaker 2: Here's my other story, and this isn't even this is a short story. 00:08:03 Speaker 7: I liked your first one. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: Here's another one. 00:08:06 Speaker 5: I okay, he's ordered them in goodness, so it's only gonna get better. 00:08:10 Speaker 2: Check this one out. 00:08:13 Speaker 1: I was happened to be skinning an extremely rotund raccoon. I thought to myself, I'm gonna make some coon grease and send it to Clay, just because I don't know why, this is like a good idea. I'm not kidding you. Man, you're gonna think I'm lying. You can call my kids and ask I got three and this is not being like this is not being fiddle fiddling around. Three quartz, two of them are on my desk upstairs. Three quarts of rendered coon oil. 00:08:52 Speaker 6: How much of that coon? Way? 00:08:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, he wasn't twenty pounds but just fat. 00:08:57 Speaker 1: Three quartz maybe twenty pump Wow, you eating cook dude, It smells I haven't tasted yet. It smells totally normal. I don't think you'd know the difference. I don't think you know the difference. Oh, my buddies, like you did that in the kitchen, I said, My wife never messes me. 00:09:16 Speaker 2: About anything like that. It's just a little shout out to my way. 00:09:20 Speaker 6: We got to fry a burger in that stuff or something. 00:09:22 Speaker 1: See how I can't wait to do something with it. And I took those cracklings and fired them up on the roof. I had my kid fire them up on the roof of the guest house so we can kind of look out at it. And holy smokes, you never see magpies get worked up. Here's my last story. You guys can feel free to share a quick story. I've got three. These are all hot off the press. Show that picture Phil. 00:09:44 Speaker 2: Here we go. Now, well, people are looking at here. 00:09:52 Speaker 1: Yesterday we were goose hunting and got we're hunting Canada geese, but got two snows. 00:09:59 Speaker 2: Two snows? 00:10:01 Speaker 1: How is that bird not only alive? Not only alive, but fat as fat as his buddy. There's a picture of a of a snow goose here that is missing. It's all healed over, whatever happened to it is missing over half of its upper bill. 00:10:21 Speaker 8: Looks like a severe under. 00:10:22 Speaker 6: Either scooping with its lower jar or turning its head. 00:10:26 Speaker 2: I don't know something you know Max that Max. 00:10:29 Speaker 1: I sent that picture to Max and he mentioned if I sent it, see if you ever see anything like it, And he mentioned it looks like when a cocaine gets into its spawning phase. 00:10:38 Speaker 5: A kipe. 00:10:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it, Isn't that something? 00:10:41 Speaker 7: Yeah? 00:10:41 Speaker 5: I think that just looks like a person's nose. 00:10:45 Speaker 2: Flying around being totally normal. 00:10:48 Speaker 8: Yeah. 00:10:48 Speaker 6: I'm looking at it thinking it's missing a chunk of its upper beak, not that its lower beak is way long. 00:10:55 Speaker 7: That's what he's saying. 00:10:56 Speaker 2: You know, over half of its upper beak is just not there. 00:11:00 Speaker 6: But you were mentioned the kype thing. 00:11:02 Speaker 2: Oh sorry, that's. 00:11:03 Speaker 5: What But it gives that, it gives that vibe. 00:11:06 Speaker 6: But you see fish like that that are mission missing at well. 00:11:10 Speaker 7: What's interesting to me in the missing part is that it's like the nostril like reform. 00:11:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of reforming happened on it. I don't know why I didn't save I should have saved that head. I didn't save that head. You know, I'll be able to get it back. 00:11:23 Speaker 2: A lot of reforming happened on that thing. 00:11:25 Speaker 6: Did you check its crop? 00:11:28 Speaker 2: It was in the morning and no, it was early in the morning. 00:11:32 Speaker 7: Man, those are just tough. 00:11:34 Speaker 2: Isn't that something funny about that? After we hunt, we go. 00:11:38 Speaker 1: Over to the farmer's house to thank come and say hi and everything that's coming in from church and his and the and his wife says, if you see two white ones, And I'm thinking, and I said, well, uh, we got those. 00:11:55 Speaker 2: Is that a problem? 00:11:55 Speaker 1: No, but I was scared to death. 00:12:00 Speaker 2: They give you on that really fast, like yeah. 00:12:03 Speaker 6: So those two were just hanging with the Canada. 00:12:05 Speaker 2: Apparently they'd been hanging around for the last few days. But she's like no. 00:12:08 Speaker 1: Sooner as she's saying that, I'm like, oh, it's not I hope that's not theirs. I don't know what I thought, just I've been seeing them, but she's like if you see too, And in my head I'm thinking. 00:12:21 Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no no, and I'm like, well we got those. Oh that's fine. Yeah, I don't know how it could be alive. Yeah, that's it. That's it. Yanni told us a great story, but you can't share it. 00:12:36 Speaker 5: That's right. 00:12:38 Speaker 7: Yeah, I told you a couple of good ones, but you can't share what not because they're illegal. No, I can tell you a story about my multiple car accidents in one day, and that was not that good or what I would like to say. I told the story to Dan Flores this morning, and he sat there, uh, seemingly entertained and listening intent. So I'll tell it again. But you know, a lot of people still think that hunting with dogs is somehow easy, easier. You're giving, you know, way too much advantage to the hunter, you know. 00:13:11 Speaker 2: Because they're just focused on the shooting part exactly. 00:13:14 Speaker 7: They don't know what goes into it. A friend of mine treed a mature time on Friday, let it go. Didn't want to kill it for whatever reason. By himself, he decided to be better if he had a couple of friends with him. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: Big Coffee shop guy. Huh, it's a big coffee shop guy. 00:13:30 Speaker 7: I don't know, maybe, but he lets him go, walks away from the tree around twelve or noon on Friday. We're back at that same tree on Saturday morning about nine am. So you don't know when the cat left the tree. 00:13:46 Speaker 2: But this is based off a hot tip. 00:13:49 Speaker 7: No, we're all back at the same tree, that same tree that he was at. Yes the day was there, No, he was with us. We all came back together. 00:13:57 Speaker 2: Is that routine that seems like like borderline harassment to the mountain lion? 00:14:04 Speaker 1: Chase them out the tree one day, then go back to that same tree and chase them up a tree again the next day. 00:14:08 Speaker 7: Exactly. See, you would think so, right, because it's just like a slam dunk, Right. 00:14:11 Speaker 2: I would think that was a slam dunk. 00:14:13 Speaker 1: Well, no, because by that point, got twenty four hours, got the same as cutting the fresh track. 00:14:19 Speaker 7: Well, it hasn't been twenty four hours, but you would. In my mind, I almost said no because I was like, you know what, I'd rather go to my own spot that I'm gonna choose, and if I find the track, which is usually like the most expart exciting part of the whole hunt and when you look over and you go, oh my gosh, there it is like I found a track, Like I don't want to miss that. And we're gonna go to a spot where I'm going to walk to a track. I should Uh, I'm like, I'll go, it'll be fun. I want to. I want to see what like one hundred and forty and fifty pound Tom looks like, you know, that's what the guest ofm it was, And so we go. It starts snowing that morning pretty good, pretty hard. It's snowing and it's snowing. We start on the track. Mingus actually we left without the dogs so we could actually just find the track and kind of sort it out and see where it was going. Mingus broke out of his kennel, so he rolls in there. It wasn't very secure. 00:15:13 Speaker 2: The rest of the dogs. Mingus is like the log suckers. 00:15:16 Speaker 7: These kendles are right on the backs of snowmobiles, are in the sleds behind snowmobiles. They take a beating and so a lot of times the latches and stuff don't work, and that dog is one to start pushing and checking stuff out. After he gets boredered cold or whatever. So anyways, he shows up and we find the track, and as soon as he smells it, you know, it's he just loses his crap. So we tie him off. The other dogs come, we cut him loose. It's just, you know, all voices are going off, and we're like, oh, yeah, we're gonna have this toime and a tree. And ten to thirty minutes, you know, thirty minutes later, the dogs kind of slow down and they start having a loss where they're not on the track anymore. It's snowing, a lot of snow, a lot of snow, so we start walking the track with the dog. Basically, long story short, we get to a point a couple hours later where the tracks are literally like they started as these like nice cups in the snow. You couldn't see the track, the you know, toes, but you could see a nice cup in the snow. And eventually that cup has got shallower and shallower and shallower, and then it was just flat snow. And about noon we're like, we're not catching this cat, and like there was enough snow where like the dogs like couldn't even dig the scent out of it. And he got away. 00:16:28 Speaker 2: And he's so easy. It's not easy. 00:16:30 Speaker 1: What's so hard about shooting some cat out of a tree? 00:16:33 Speaker 7: So we were talking about it, like how easy it should have been, and the guy was actually saying that he's done it enough times that he feels like he's batting three hundred on leaving a cat in a tree and coming back the next day and catching it again. 00:16:47 Speaker 2: What's good average? 00:16:48 Speaker 7: So thirty percent of the time he's catching? Yah? 00:16:52 Speaker 2: Want? Did I say thirty? 00:16:54 Speaker 7: I don't know, randall because. 00:16:55 Speaker 5: They're going down to the the another decimal. 00:16:59 Speaker 2: Point one, not thirty point zero. 00:17:03 Speaker 5: Well, that adds a whole new thing to it. 00:17:06 Speaker 2: Batting of three hundred is one and thirty No. 00:17:10 Speaker 5: No, means you're hitting the ball three out of ten at bats. 00:17:16 Speaker 2: What if they just did the other way, I would know what the hell it meant. Number five Sports podcast. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, Spotify is released. 00:17:26 Speaker 2: They're two twenty so this show is categorized. 00:17:30 Speaker 5: In sports because they're sportsmen. 00:17:35 Speaker 1: Spotify came out with the top sports podcast of twenty twenty five. We're number five. The four of Bobus are like actual sports podcasts. Number one is The Kelsey Guys, and no one cares about that. But Randall's explaining that now and then his girlfriend comes on the show, and then kinds of girlfriend, all kinds of little girls listen, and it gives them a It gives you like an inflated sense. 00:18:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're week two week downloads. Don't make them a national number one. 00:18:09 Speaker 1: Sports podcast, which Taylor Swift because if I was dating Trump and Trump came on, we have yeah, huge boost and we're Taylor Swift. 00:18:22 Speaker 2: M hmm, well she's our date someone you gee what I'm saying. 00:18:29 Speaker 1: I was just trying to get a famous person in the swifties. Yeah, so that's so that doesn't count Randall sex. That's not a legitimate show. 00:18:37 Speaker 8: And the other ones are yeah part of my take. 00:18:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, like football sports, which got us thinking. 00:18:45 Speaker 1: We're talking about like how how to like try to harness some of the energy there, And we thought if if someone tried to pick sports team wins based off only mascot analysis because they love wildlife. 00:18:58 Speaker 6: Can I can I ask you a question before we get started? Can you name the cities that these teams are attached to? 00:19:05 Speaker 2: Seattle? And I don't know, because I think they moved it. 00:19:11 Speaker 1: They did, They moved it, they did, And I don't recognize any team that wasn't a team when I was a kid. Like I still have a hard time with TV channels that aren't ABC, CBS and NBC channels three eight. 00:19:23 Speaker 2: You're not a team. 00:19:24 Speaker 5: You didn't go to Max. You just stayed in HBO. Man. 00:19:28 Speaker 1: I remember I remember when Yeah, I remember like your parents leaving, like when a cable came out. I remember, like your mind, dad had go out to dinner and they like the last thing they'd say is don't turn out Cinemax. 00:19:40 Speaker 6: The football player remembers best as the refrigerator Perry. 00:19:45 Speaker 5: Could you not know? 00:19:46 Speaker 1: I don't count any team that didn't exist when I wasn't a little kid. 00:19:49 Speaker 2: It's like it's illegitimate in my mind. 00:19:51 Speaker 1: But I feel like the Rams that used to be a California team. 00:19:55 Speaker 5: And it is once again, yeah oh it is? 00:19:57 Speaker 2: Who is it? La? Huh? 00:20:00 Speaker 5: I would have guessed that from LA to Saint Louis to La oh. 00:20:03 Speaker 1: Okay, I would have got that right. But I would have got it right accidentally. I would have got trust on this. I would have got it right as the old yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah Rams and Seattle Seahawks and. 00:20:15 Speaker 5: These are week sixteen predictions here. So so we're coming up. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: We got rams and seahawks, and like it doesn't denote what kind of a seahawk is an osprey the fastest animal, fastest animal on Earth rams. It's like if it was wild rams or like mountain rams, but I don't know, it could be just some manure encrusted Yeah, and you know it kind of like gross out about actual like sheep rams all the fecal matter connected that's always hooked to their wool, and then some of them had those like grossly outsized testes. They would reduce the athleticism of any thing. 00:20:56 Speaker 7: But wild ram also has giant tastes for this. 00:20:59 Speaker 2: But he's not he's not fecal matter and crusting. Hm. 00:21:05 Speaker 6: But we used to call him ranch maggots. 00:21:07 Speaker 5: Sure, I just think with the right game plan. You know, you've seen the videos of birds of prey knocking mammals off of Sure, yeah, I think there is one of a sheep getting killed by a or maybe a mountain goat getting killed by a bird. 00:21:23 Speaker 2: If I go seahawks on this, I'm going because. 00:21:27 Speaker 1: Specificity because by calling yourself the rams, I picture barn rams, which are gross Okay, mostly gross. 00:21:35 Speaker 8: Starret you calling it on Thursday December eighteenth game, it's Seahawks winning over the Rams. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, now what the what are the actual people say? 00:21:45 Speaker 8: Let me see that. 00:21:46 Speaker 6: One's probably pretty close. 00:21:48 Speaker 5: I would guess the Rams are good though. 00:21:50 Speaker 6: Yeah, both good. 00:21:52 Speaker 5: Now, if we're a real national sports podcast would be betting the lines, we wouldn't just be calling winners and losers. So I really don't no, Well, like you know, it's like by how many Rams? By three and a half, you know, I don't know about that. So so we but we're just trying to get incrementally higher ranked in the national sports podcast by. 00:22:13 Speaker 1: And we're not going to do that by not being We're not going to do that by not being like more nuanced than specificah. 00:22:19 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, it's just a half assed attempt to increase our relevance as a sports podcast. 00:22:25 Speaker 2: Falcons v. Cardinals. That's a tough one to talking about Northern Cardinals. 00:22:31 Speaker 6: Which is weird to Arizona, but they got moved to Yeah, and the kind of. 00:22:36 Speaker 8: Falcons Cardinals is tough. Well, general falcons. 00:22:40 Speaker 2: I just don't know what kind of Falcons are talking about. 00:22:42 Speaker 7: And it's like, don't you think nine out of ten falcons are going to take out nine out of ten cardinals every time. 00:22:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think it's more to it than that. Oh okay, Like if it's geer. 00:22:52 Speaker 1: Falcons or something, and I'd be like, I don't know, it just seems a little like not specific. 00:22:58 Speaker 5: But if you had to bet the money that you need to pay your rent next month. 00:23:04 Speaker 1: If you said, I got a falcon, I'm not telling you what yeah kind, he said, And I got a cardinal, I'm not telling you what kind. Yeah, I'd be like, I think that the falcon, the undisclosed falcon will conquer the undisclosed cardinal. 00:23:15 Speaker 7: Ok. 00:23:16 Speaker 2: Just just generally. 00:23:18 Speaker 8: If there have folks December falcons. 00:23:22 Speaker 1: Okay, but that logic falls apart if we get to Bengals v. Dolphins of Bengal, Well, are they in the water or not. They're playing football on the grass. So if you throw a dolphin out on the grass, and you throw a Bengal tiger out on the grass, but I dolphins get too much attention. 00:23:45 Speaker 6: But Bengal tigers very comfortable. 00:23:48 Speaker 5: It's Bengals ad dolphins. 00:23:51 Speaker 2: Just so we're clear. 00:23:52 Speaker 7: Oh so we're on the water. 00:23:56 Speaker 8: Yeah, I did look it up. Bengals can swim three to four miles an hour. 00:24:01 Speaker 2: Well, dolphins are good for about sixty. 00:24:04 Speaker 8: At if they're at like their burst through sprint speed. 00:24:12 Speaker 1: I look at this one more like I always looking at it, more like dolphins get too much attention. 00:24:17 Speaker 2: Everybody thinks they're right. 00:24:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're like they're kind of like they got they got a little overplay. It was like, yeah, I just feel about dolphins are the wildlife version of that. 00:24:27 Speaker 2: They get too much attention. 00:24:28 Speaker 6: Imagine how cool it would be if you were watching a nature documentary and you saw a Bengal tiger eating a dolphin. Mm hmm, like you somehow. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like that. 00:24:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, but then you don't want the Bengal to eat the dolphin because then the Bengals have a worse draft pick next year. Because this season is already just completely You've already see Rydals. 00:24:50 Speaker 1: You should see you should have a sports podcast because you know this stuff. 00:24:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, well not really, but doing our best here National Sports pot Cast Folks number five. 00:25:02 Speaker 8: Wait, so is that Bengals winning over Dolphins? 00:25:05 Speaker 1: Steve? I can't rate it like how you want me to. There's an annoyance factor that I have with dolphins. I love them, okay, but just they just absorb too much attention. 00:25:18 Speaker 8: So you'd like them to lose. 00:25:22 Speaker 2: Is that me? No. 00:25:24 Speaker 1: When I was working on my Buffalo book, a guy said to me, because I was writing about all these different the reason I'm revisiting this in my mind is because I'm writing a new forward. It's been seventeen years since I wrote that book, and I'm writing a new forward, and in it, I'm sort of doing around the country snapshot of the politics surrounding the animal and things that have happened since the book came out. Anyways, it's causing me to reflect on a thing that happened when I was working on the book, where a guy said, with all this stuff going on the animal, right like, there's issues in Alaska, there's issues in Arizona, there's issues in Utah. All this is happening. And he said to me, the thing is Yellowstone. It's a black hole. It sucks in all the attention. 00:26:15 Speaker 2: So all this. 00:26:16 Speaker 1: Everything, all these things you're talking about, will always be in the American mind unknown. 00:26:23 Speaker 2: Because the park sucks everything into it. 00:26:26 Speaker 1: And when people think of the politics of the animal, they only can think of what's going on in the park. 00:26:31 Speaker 2: Everything else is lost to them. 00:26:33 Speaker 1: And I think dolphins are something like a black hole, an animal black hole. 00:26:38 Speaker 5: I mean they had flipper. 00:26:39 Speaker 1: They absorbed too much attention in wildlife I did see. I'd like to see the other guys, the tigers get them. 00:26:48 Speaker 5: I did get to see when we were in Europe. We went to the zoo in Vienna and I saw tiger eating the leg of something. 00:26:57 Speaker 2: It's one of the coolest things I've ever seen. But they probably threw it to it. 00:27:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, but just watching something chew and rip, that's all I got. 00:27:05 Speaker 7: That reminds me of a story I heard when I was driving home from Wisconsin. I was catching up moving, catching up with old friends Otter. Oh yeah, old fishing buddy of ours down in the veil. That kid, call him kid. He's not a kid anymore, but he's, you know, much younger than us. So I'd like Colin Randall a kid. You know, he's that age he's got. He's had more for not being a hound hunter. He's had more mountainlining encounters than anybody I know for just a dude that kind of he's gotten more serious about hunting. But when we knew him, he was a very casual hunter. Now he's gotten more into it. 00:27:39 Speaker 2: Just kind of runs into him. 00:27:40 Speaker 7: Like, tells me a story about watching a kitten thirty yards away, kitten mountain lion at in a big grove of aspens, as you are bound to see in Colorado, and the leaves are all gently falling out of the trees and the kittens just sitting there on his back legs, jumping up and swatting. He got to watch it for like twenty minutes. 00:28:02 Speaker 5: Kid. 00:28:03 Speaker 7: Yeah, Well, this year he's hiking around and he sees the head of a cow elk like kind of behind the log. Goes walking over to the cow elk, and he can tell that it's been kind of covered up, you know, but it's not it's not registering yet. But the first thing in his mind is like, oh, I'm gonna open her mouth and check to see if the ivories are in there and pop the ivories out of there. 00:28:27 Speaker 2: You know. 00:28:28 Speaker 7: He gets right up to her and literally is like like gonna almost touch her upper lip or whatever to look for the ivory. And he looks over and eating on the hind quarter. He says, it's the biggest mountain lion he's ever seen in just full stile and he and all of a sudden the line was like, oh shit, what are you doing here? 00:28:49 Speaker 8: You know? 00:28:50 Speaker 7: And boom took off. No, I trust him. Yeah, And I'm telling you, like I forget him. And wasn't it justin Carr and him We're walking down a trail and at night and they had one coming at him. They ended up shooting at it and then like. 00:29:03 Speaker 6: He's just maybe just shooting a scared Yeah. 00:29:05 Speaker 7: Something like that. But anyways, Mountain Lion magnet and yeah, he's like that was pretty close. I said, did you get the ivories out? He's like no, I laughed. 00:29:15 Speaker 2: Here's a guy wrote in this is a good one. 00:29:17 Speaker 1: In your recent episode of the podcast with Mark Lee Gardner, when talking about Billy the Kid's affinity for the song we call Turkey and the Straw, he said Billy called it a guy yina because the Spanish language didn't really have a. 00:29:34 Speaker 2: Word for turkey. Hmm. I find that hard to believe. 00:29:40 Speaker 1: Then he goes on to say, you asked him what about wahallote, which is what they call turkeys in snore in Mexico, and he didn't really have a response for that. This guy wrote in Wahallote is a regional term. It's borrowed from It's a It's a sort of borrow term in some regional Latin American Spanish dialects, made from two Aztec words. 00:30:09 Speaker 2: Hui big and wilote monster big monster. 00:30:17 Speaker 1: The literal meaning is pretty cool because it personifies the bird's imposing appearance, but also symbolizes the importance of the bird in the culture, in the in the culture of those people. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: Wahlote m monster bird. No, what is it? Big monster, big monster, big monster. I'm sticking with that from now on. 00:30:39 Speaker 7: Hey, I gave me a bunch of different nouns in Spanish. El pavo, el guajalote is number two, El chompipe, al fracaso, el pato, mariado, and el patoso. Okay, so yeah, must be very regional. 00:30:58 Speaker 2: Guyina, Turkey and the straw. 00:31:01 Speaker 1: Over the course of the history of this podcast, there's been something we've talked about a ton and this is the last time it'll ever come up. And that is whether in Tombstone, the movie, when Val Kilmer says to someone. 00:31:15 Speaker 2: I'll be your huckleberry, the hell's he talking about? For a while? 00:31:21 Speaker 1: I got duped by the Internet, and I thought I was reading one day all about how they screwed up, and he was meant to say, I'll be your huckle bearer, meaning I'll be your pall bearer. Why that as the Internet tricked me into believe in the polls, like the polls on a casket were made of hucklewood. And someone pointed out to me, I don't know what hucklewood even is, but I got duped by it. I'm like a gullible guy. I'm like my wife at the vet. 00:32:01 Speaker 4: I got duped And no, my wife gets duped by like like she says yes to all the vaccine any like. 00:32:12 Speaker 1: Any like, Oh this dog needs this has this problem, and she's like, oh, we'll better take care of that. 00:32:17 Speaker 7: This town is right with that. You gotta be careful, Yeah. 00:32:22 Speaker 2: She's she they really I need to Yeah. 00:32:26 Speaker 1: So, yeah, I got duped by the Internet on this. I brought it up to Gardener Mark Gardner. He says he he said, that's an urban legend and I don't know what is huckle wood, to which I said, I never thought about that. I don't know what that means. So this guy, he's there's a guy that wrote in he's like a Josh, what's the name of his wild West podcast? 00:32:55 Speaker 2: I got to check that up. 00:32:58 Speaker 1: He's got a wild West podcast. 00:33:04 Speaker 2: He says, Huckleberry and Gardner got into this. 00:33:07 Speaker 1: You would legitimately run around at that time, you could say Huckleberry. 00:33:13 Speaker 2: No one knows where it came from. 00:33:14 Speaker 1: It appears in magazine articles, poems, even advertisements in the mid to late eighteen hundreds. It essentially means I'm the right man for the job. The screenwriter took it directly from a book about Tombstone. 00:33:31 Speaker 2: Okay, but there's. 00:33:35 Speaker 1: No reason to believe Doc Holiday ever used it. But he's saying that Doc Holliday would have certainly known the phrase. 00:33:43 Speaker 2: I'll be your Huckleberry, meaning I'm the man for the job. 00:33:51 Speaker 8: The podcast is wild the wild West Extravaganza. I've never listened to it. 00:33:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't. I'm not I just read. I'm just yeah, I don't know. It could be a whole show about about I don't know what sounds like. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: It's about wild. 00:34:06 Speaker 5: West stuff and extravaganzas. 00:34:08 Speaker 1: And extravagandas he says, you can't locate any mention of huckle Bear prior to the movie tombstone. 00:34:16 Speaker 7: Hmm. 00:34:20 Speaker 1: He goes on to he kind of tracked down who started the whole thing. He tracks it back to a two thousand and eight post on Twitter where a guy used the phrase I'll be your huckle bear. He finds him, shoots him at DM, asks him, where did you hear I'll be your huckleberry? He said he couldn't remember, but probably from his brother Dan. 00:34:47 Speaker 6: And there you have it. 00:34:49 Speaker 2: A few people have. 00:34:50 Speaker 1: Reached out saying that they heard it directly from Bill Knight Kite Kite the former executive director of the Frontier Museum and Doc holl the collection at Glenwood Springs. 00:35:02 Speaker 2: So he calls mister. 00:35:03 Speaker 1: Kite saying, hey, why are you running around saying I'll be your huckle bearer? He says, you heard it online? They have, so I think that we can. I don't know I trust this guy. I feel like when Doc Holiday, when you're sitting. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: There and you're on a date. 00:35:26 Speaker 1: You're on a date, you know, like you're just kind of getting date in someone and you're trying to impress him. I've done it some long time, but like you're throwing tombstone, you know, And it gets to that part and you're like, hey, baby, you know that's not actually what it was. 00:35:40 Speaker 2: It was. 00:35:40 Speaker 1: I'll be your hucklebear, you're wrong if you're trying to impress her. 00:35:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, unless she does her sleuthing though, mm hm, you might just depress her. 00:35:51 Speaker 2: Oh, like she might not go digging in. 00:35:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's doubtful that she would. 00:35:57 Speaker 1: Actually she did, then you know, you got to keep. 00:36:00 Speaker 7: I think it would be just as impressive to say, hey, do you know what that means and then explain that it means, you know, I'm the right man for the job. 00:36:08 Speaker 5: But then but then she would have been like, what it means the context? 00:36:13 Speaker 6: Yeah, or if she asked you to make dinner? 00:36:17 Speaker 7: Do you think that in the context of that movie, of that scene, that you knew that it meant I'm the right man for the job? 00:36:22 Speaker 2: He says, I don't know. 00:36:24 Speaker 1: They're having like a tense moment and he's like, basically, I'll kill you. 00:36:28 Speaker 6: Yeah. 00:36:31 Speaker 7: Right, he's saying basically I'll kill you the man, which is different than I'm the right man for the job. 00:36:37 Speaker 2: No. 00:36:37 Speaker 6: No, because in that movie they're like going back and forth like i'll kill you, you'll kill me, like, and that was like, but in this hypothetical scenario. 00:36:47 Speaker 5: She might not have been paying attention that closely to the plot of the film, so maybe the context is lost on her, and just explaining that Huckleberry is the right man for the job might still impress her. 00:36:56 Speaker 2: I doubt it. 00:36:57 Speaker 1: On my first date, I had the man mistake. I was in the museum and I made the mistake. 00:37:01 Speaker 7: This is a first date or with your wife. 00:37:03 Speaker 2: My actual first date with my wife. 00:37:05 Speaker 1: Okay, you know, they played those little you can go in those little booths and they play like those little movies and then just starts over again. We came in halfway through and I turned to her, say, don't worry. This will end and we'll just sit here and watch till it gets back to where we began. 00:37:24 Speaker 6: They have a term for that these days. Don't take her in. 00:37:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, And she's like, oh, thank you so much for explaining that to me. I was like baffled by how we would take in the whole thing. You know, don't you worry your pretty little head. 00:37:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, this. 00:37:46 Speaker 2: Will come back around and we'll watch the first part. 00:37:51 Speaker 1: Denver police investigate body parts being removed from a luxury apartment. Oh this starts out sad guy writes in due to divorce, I moved into an apartment in a nice part of Denver Cherry Creek. 00:38:07 Speaker 2: That's too bad. Now, I wonder, like what happened? 00:38:11 Speaker 6: He tried to explain, Huckleberry. 00:38:17 Speaker 1: Man, I'm gonna be depressed all day about this guy's marriage dissolving. It goes on, Yeah, just I mean, I just gotta take him in to reflect on that, you know. So he goes on and say he grew up in western Washington, Okay, kind of slowed down, grew up hunting fishing, kind of slowed down on hunting fishing, got into his mid forties, and got back into hunting during COVID. So now here he is, he's divorced, living in an apartment. Shoots cow el brings it back to his high end apartment building. It's real hot. The game processor is not open. M He starts moving parts of this elk up into his apartment, gets a visit from law enforcement officials investigating reports of a man moving body partners from. 00:39:16 Speaker 8: His pickup into his apartment. 00:39:18 Speaker 2: A man moving body parts into his apartment, and. 00:39:24 Speaker 8: I wonder, like what the person reporting him must have thoughts. 00:39:31 Speaker 1: Run away, I would expect him to be moving body parts out of his apartment. Yeah, like, what scenario would you kill someone? Put yourself into murderer shoes, you kill someone dismember? 00:39:46 Speaker 7: No, but his email says into pickup from apartment. Oh so he doesn't quite Yeah, we're kind of we're missing a little part of the story. But he must have. Maybe this was after forty eight hours and he was finally taken into. 00:39:59 Speaker 1: The of a man loading body parts into his pickup. That makes sense, because that's what a murder would do. 00:40:09 Speaker 6: He sually be in a rolled up carpet though. 00:40:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, unless you didn't want to look suspicious. 00:40:15 Speaker 7: Suitcase chop it. We gotta ask when. 00:40:19 Speaker 1: I see guys carrying a very heavy roller carpet. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always know. I know what I was looking at. 00:40:25 Speaker 7: It looked like he was holding in You can't fool me. 00:40:29 Speaker 5: When I was doing my dissertation research, I found a newspaper article little flex there you have little Well, it's how else do you find this article? In the nineteen fifties, a a woman killed her children. Oh, come on, and buried them in the backyard. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: Okay, but we already got this guy. Get divorced. 00:40:49 Speaker 5: No, and the cops came and asked the neighbors like did you see this? And they're like, oh, yeah, I just assumed she was bearing a bunch of deer meat from the freezer. 00:40:57 Speaker 1: RD can you talk to Randall's the time, Krint and have them try to practice. 00:41:03 Speaker 5: A little talking about they were already joking about the murder. 00:41:07 Speaker 6: I thought it was we were joking about elk parts, not children. 00:41:11 Speaker 8: Oh my god, man, I think he's trying to make the point. 00:41:16 Speaker 5: Anything, anything's possible that it would make. 00:41:19 Speaker 8: More sense that the average person what would imagine that they be if. 00:41:27 Speaker 5: You just assume everything is hunting as opposed. 00:41:31 Speaker 6: To human fault, the average person for seeing someone carrying an elk quarter and thinking it might be. 00:41:39 Speaker 1: But picture, it's like the picture you've seen the movie The Burbs, best. 00:41:45 Speaker 2: Movie in the world. 00:41:46 Speaker 1: Dude, Tom Hanks is married to carry Fisher, kind of like post Princess Leah, one of the movies Carry Fisher, Like I now am very in love with her. Then, not Princess Leah, but Burbs. 00:42:02 Speaker 6: You know, of the Burbs. 00:42:04 Speaker 1: Some new guys move in next door to town and they start doing weird stuff. So I'm saying, like, here you are in a luxury apartment building. New guy moves in kind of like, what's he got going on? Then one day's carry him bloody packages and load him in a truck. 00:42:17 Speaker 5: You could see that he would think like you'd think the worst, especially if you've just been watching The Burbs. You're primed for it. 00:42:27 Speaker 7: See something, say something. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:42:29 Speaker 1: The whole premise of The Burbs, the whole thing is this. There's all this stuff that's so damning, damning, and it builds you up to be like it was all a misunderstanding, like every little thing can be explained away. But then in the end there's a surprise twist, and it was worse than anyone thought. My kids loved it when I played it firm recently. 00:42:59 Speaker 7: Oh, so I can play it. I'm gonna play it for my kids. It's okay, it's an okay kid movie. I got in trouble big time the other day. I don't even want to mention what movie I started watching with one of my kids, and all of a sudden scene came on. I'm like, look the other way, blankets. Oh you've got to tell us now. Oh really, yeah, whatever it is, what it is? Yeah, inglorious bastards. 00:43:24 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Yeah, that's a real good one for the youngsters. 00:43:29 Speaker 6: She's Tarantino fil It'll just. 00:43:31 Speaker 2: Be like the killing will only go on for a few hours. 00:43:35 Speaker 6: It does just be a tastefully graphic at all. 00:43:38 Speaker 5: It's not gratuitous violence. Tarantino never went for that. 00:43:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, understand kids in some ways, this is a statement about excessive violence. 00:43:48 Speaker 7: That par I figured it was. It was okay, and she could handle it. It was the it was the first sex scene that caught us off guard. 00:43:58 Speaker 1: Okay, this is the guy like like this is he's I love this guy, this great guy. 00:44:03 Speaker 7: But he calls. 00:44:04 Speaker 8: Himself out in like the first sentence he does. 00:44:06 Speaker 2: He does, this is a good one. 00:44:07 Speaker 1: I want this is one for people to think about. 00:44:11 Speaker 2: Stephen Crewe. 00:44:13 Speaker 1: I think I might be turning into the type of prow I kind of glossed over his first sentence. You are you are? He says Stephen Crewe. I think I might be turning into the type of person I despise. 00:44:30 Speaker 2: Him. 00:44:32 Speaker 1: I bought some property in a midle He don't even want to name the state. He's like, I bought some property in a Midwest state a few years ago. The property has a large creek about thirty feet across that meanders through and serves as a significant dividing line between one half of the property and the other. The creek runs in such a way that it cuts through the corner of the neighbor's property, leaving a small triangle. He estimates his triangle to be about two acres of their property on what I would refer to as my side of the creek, because it is only accessible by crossing the creek. When I bought the property, I knew that there was a deer stand on the small triangle. And after I purchased the guy who hunts the neighbor's property, which was the owner's son in law, reached out to me and let me know that he previously had permission to cross my property to get to the stand. 00:45:44 Speaker 2: I let him know. 00:45:46 Speaker 1: That I would not that I would not allow that same access, and he had no issue and understood my reasoning. But he could always still cross the creek as he pleased to access the property legally. 00:46:04 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:46:06 Speaker 1: So he's like, hey, I can get there no matter what. It'd be nice if I could cross your land. The guy says, don't cross my land, So he says, cool across on the creek. Fast forward through the last few hunting seasons, and they have on multiple occasions shot at wounded deer on opening day of firearm season. From that stand, he says, and I don't know if you would know this is true or not, but he says, they all ran off their property onto mine in another neighboring property. Each time they have politely notified me and asked me if they could track the deer across my property. State law allows access onto other private property to retrieve game. So I have a bly as I respect their communication and honesty, and because you couldn't. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: Not oblige, that was me editorializing. 00:47:08 Speaker 1: They even said they would not carry weapons, to which I thought, well, what the hell are you going to do if it isn't dead, but kept that to myself. I'm going to editorialize for a minute. In some states where you're allowed to legally go on to another state to retrieve game, the rule is that you can go on to the other property unarmed to retrieve game, which I had to exercise one time hunting sandhill cranes in Texas. A couple times we had birds sail off on another guy's place and you had to chase them, but you couldn't chase them with the shotgun. But you were allowed to go directly there, get your bird, come back, no gun. 00:47:47 Speaker 6: I mean in this case, it was also just like a gesture of good faith. Right, They're like, you. 00:47:51 Speaker 2: Know, but I don't know about the legality. 00:47:53 Speaker 1: We could do some quick work because there's only so many Midwest states that have retrieval rights. 00:47:57 Speaker 2: However, what he's doing, which God bless. 00:48:01 Speaker 1: Him, Connor here, I don't want to turn him off because he's like a listener, But then I don't want to be this is tough love. He's he's he's trying to make like he's doing a retort. Connor, the guy writing in the listener, the fan is doing a thing where he's like kind of doing little things to make himself seem good. They're allowed to go get it, he says, So why obliged? Yeah, but they're allowed to. 00:48:34 Speaker 2: Right man. 00:48:35 Speaker 6: But I think they were telling him like out of good faith. 00:48:39 Speaker 2: He says, so why obliged? But it wasn't your call. 00:48:41 Speaker 1: Then they're like, I won't even bring a gun. Well, how are you gonna get anyway? Well, then why not say why don't you bring your gun just in case, just in case, since I'm a good neighbor. 00:48:52 Speaker 8: But I wonder about these hunters, like the direction that they're hunting in and shooting in. 00:48:58 Speaker 1: It's one point five to two acres. If I was sitting on a piece, it was one point five to two acres. All I'd be thinking about is what's going to happen when I got to go on the neighbor's place. 00:49:08 Speaker 5: I'm looking at his property right now? Yeah, at all. 00:49:11 Speaker 6: And obviously on X and obviously can you find the corner? Yeah, we shouldn't be talking about that. 00:49:18 Speaker 2: No, but no, but no one knows his name. They know, they know he's in the Midwest, and his name's. 00:49:21 Speaker 5: Common only we know the name full names in the show notes. 00:49:27 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, oh, Randall. 00:49:30 Speaker 6: I feel like these people obviously had a much different relationship with the previous owner. Where are they probably shooting onto his property and he was okay with. 00:49:40 Speaker 1: It because the old owner was like, oh yeah, man, cut across my property, let's all have a good time, let's be neighborly. 00:49:47 Speaker 2: You know, that was the old owner, right. The whole thing has started to become a bit bothersome to me. To me, he says, this is the guy talking again. 00:49:57 Speaker 1: Me being a very non confrontational my Westerner, would never put myself in a situation where a dear eye shot is pretty much guaranteed to enter another property forcing me to interact with the owner, even though we have that right as given by the state that I agree with. 00:50:17 Speaker 2: I don't like that kind of stuff. 00:50:21 Speaker 1: My property is not large, so when these situations have occurred, it has essentially ended my hunt for the day. 00:50:28 Speaker 2: How many acres has he got? Randal? 00:50:30 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:50:31 Speaker 2: Let me pull back up here. 00:50:33 Speaker 7: Well, I don't do we want to give away that information because then. 00:50:36 Speaker 1: It'll come on the guy's name. YEA, somewhere in a quadrant of America. Okay, somewhere in a quadrant of America is forty acres with a creek. 00:50:50 Speaker 2: I feel like I've been on that place. 00:50:53 Speaker 7: Why I think. I don't know if he kept it out, but I think that it's a narrow a lot of context in the situation. 00:51:01 Speaker 2: So maybe he should hunting his own place because. 00:51:04 Speaker 7: The size of his and knowing the size of the neighbors. Are you ready to dissect this or do you need to read this? 00:51:12 Speaker 2: No? 00:51:12 Speaker 1: No, no, we're not there yet. We're getting there. My property is not large or he did that. Oh, it essentially ended my hunt for the day, as they have intruded into the heart of my hunting area and very likely spooked any deer that were in the area. I have considered telling them my feelings about them hunting the very small piece of property, offering to buy it from the landowner, even building a fence around the triangle. And I even hung a tree stand not far from the property line. 00:51:54 Speaker 6: Hey, I'm here. 00:51:55 Speaker 1: Too, there's gonna wind up being a Blood Trails episode. This creek. There's gonna wind that be in a Blood Trails episode coming out of this place and the not so near future. So so he went and set a tree stand up close to their property line. 00:52:15 Speaker 6: I just don't think you can say they're intruding not far from the property line myself, as a major game trail passes right through the triangle. 00:52:24 Speaker 8: No, but he meant intruding, like when they actually come on to try to retrieve they are. 00:52:30 Speaker 6: No, they say, there's it's more like they're intruding on his hunt. 00:52:35 Speaker 2: I'm baking up. 00:52:36 Speaker 8: When they physically come on to his property to retrieve, they are intruding. 00:52:42 Speaker 1: No, he's saying, Okay, I'll do a quick recap. But because I can understand with all the interruptions, that's why I finished. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: I want to fish the poor guy's letter. 00:52:53 Speaker 1: I feel odd to myself and my morals as someone who hunts public land in the West and often groans over the actions some landowners take to protect their property from hunters. Have I become the private land owner a hole. 00:53:12 Speaker 2: Just to recap. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: No, it's clear he's got a little chunk. He's got forty acres. I'm jealous part of it. He's got a little one point five His neighbor owns a little one point five two acre wedge that sits on like what he considers to be his side of the creek. They keep a stand over there. When they shoot a deer, the deer doesn't have to go far to get off. A one point five acre parcel winds up on his place. They have trespass rights to retrieve their game. They go get their game. It's on opening DA a gun season. They're now stirring around on his side of the fence. Everybody's pissed. I got a solution. 00:53:45 Speaker 5: It's a one point one acre using on X's He oversold it shape. 00:53:50 Speaker 1: To him, yep, because he was manipulative in other ways, but heman he he like he could. 00:53:56 Speaker 2: Have manipulated it and rounded down. 00:53:59 Speaker 5: They rounded up, but he rounded up on. 00:54:04 Speaker 8: That one gives those guys a lot of free reign and go cross. This is probably not a fence, right. 00:54:12 Speaker 6: He never insinuated that they're shooting deer on his property either. They're like the old guy. 00:54:18 Speaker 2: I think the old owner. Here's my solution. 00:54:25 Speaker 6: I'd be so frustrated. 00:54:27 Speaker 1: Let's just build intension. I think he makes a pack a pact because here's the deal. From his bargaining position. He might be on the receiving end of more people coming on his land and vice versa. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: But you don't need to come with that. 00:54:46 Speaker 1: You could come saying. So this guy goes to the neighbor and plays this little mind trick. He goes to a neighbor and says, man, you know I got forty acres. It's paradise, dude. But let's be honest, I could easily shoot a deer that could get across the creek and disturb your hunt on opening day. And I mean it's not out of the questions that would happened to you on my place. Well, there, we ought to do just so I can feel better about it, because this has been weighing on me, because inevitably me or one of my buddies is going to send a deer over onto your property. 00:55:24 Speaker 2: We're gonna go chasing after it, as. 00:55:26 Speaker 1: We have the right to do. But to think that I would go over there and bump a buck, I wouldn't be able to live with myself. So let's do this in the first few days of firearm season. Let's round up at dark. We'll call each other at dark if anyone needs to come over and check on the other side, that's when we'll do it, so that we're not bumping anybody's hunt. Granted it might sit for a few hours, but that's not terrible till dusk. What do you say, old neighbor. 00:56:03 Speaker 7: It would be a great way to handle it. 00:56:04 Speaker 6: It is. 00:56:04 Speaker 5: I think it's the most diplomatic way to handle it. 00:56:06 Speaker 6: A financial hostile takeover would work. Now you just just bake him an offer he can't refuse. 00:56:12 Speaker 5: Does it change? Does it change your opinion at all? That this creek is seventy five feet across? Why did he say it was thirty I'm just measuring it with Onyxes tool. 00:56:24 Speaker 2: This guy's bad at measurements. 00:56:26 Speaker 6: Seventy fives pretty seventy five is like a that's a river. 00:56:30 Speaker 2: He's he's doing it. He's wading, he's not even crossing. 00:56:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. The ONEX tool says twenty four. 00:56:36 Speaker 8: That's a lot of effort then for these hunters to get to that. 00:56:41 Speaker 7: It depends on if you look at the property, you go, oh, yeah, that's where you want to that's where you want to be brill at his Yeah, because the neighbor's property is like nine non timbered, so his tempercent that is timbered. One acre of that happens beyond the other side of the creek. 00:57:01 Speaker 3: Or narrowing this place down even more. 00:57:04 Speaker 1: No, No, I trust me. Here's the deal man. Now, I'm rechanging my thing. Now, I'm rechanging. Now, I'm getting like a like an eagle stern inside me. 00:57:14 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:57:16 Speaker 1: It's like this dude, the more I think about it, he didn't make up the rule that you can retrieve game off property. He owns the damn land, right, It's like, what's he supposed to do? Not hunt his own place? 00:57:31 Speaker 5: So if if but here's here's where I play Devil's Advocate. If a deer never crosses the creek, right, Like, if you shoot a deer and one hundred percent of the time it runs onto his place. 00:57:45 Speaker 1: Because he's not going to cross. They'll jump a little creek. Not jump, they'll they'll wade, but they're not going to win. They're wounded, they're not gonna want to cross. 00:57:51 Speaker 5: If they look at this, there's no way that any deer is going to turn and cross this thing. 00:57:56 Speaker 2: Have I heard of this creek before? 00:57:57 Speaker 5: No? But I'm just thinking, like, so, if you owned one acre along that creek and you just and every deer you shot ran off your property, is your property too small to hunt? 00:58:11 Speaker 2: I don't believe there is such a thing. 00:58:14 Speaker 1: The state allows hate the game, not the player. Yep, the state allows retrieval. What is he supposed to do? 00:58:24 Speaker 8: Yeah, but what about the intent of the hunters if they know that one hundred percent of the time that they cross that creek and stand on that little one acre or parcel and hunt deer, that. 00:58:38 Speaker 2: I don't believe. I don't believe him on that. 00:58:40 Speaker 1: And I would invite people here at sitting at this table to ask yourself this question. Of all the deer that you have personally shot and scene gets shot, all of the white tailed deer that you have shot or scene get shot by a firearm, what percent have left the center of one acre parcels a minority, minority for a minority leave the area. 00:59:07 Speaker 8: What if you're shooting as dear that is almost on the the the over almost across. 00:59:20 Speaker 7: The he takes one jump and he's on the neighbors. 00:59:22 Speaker 5: If you shoot, if you shoot one dead nuts in the middle of this triangle, it's twenty eight yards to the property line. 00:59:29 Speaker 8: But again, and if you double along it, you could still you could still easy traverse that distance. 00:59:36 Speaker 5: And I'm not I'm not saying that like his neighbors shouldn't be allowed to do this. I'm just saying like he's right and feeling that they're kind of being no imposing neighbors. 00:59:48 Speaker 7: You know what, my kids a lot I say, tough titty said the kitty titty at our house that you can add a little meal. But here's the deal, it doesn't matter if it's one acre or another forty acre chunk. We used to own a forty acre chunk that had three neighbors each and then one neighbor was the county road, right, so it was you get when I'm painting here, all of the neighbors stands seemed like they were right on the property line. 01:00:19 Speaker 2: Everybody knows is a screener. The bucks are on the neighbors or they're crossing. 01:00:26 Speaker 7: I don't know what they think. No, we call it no no, No, that's the end of my story. I'm just saying that, Like, it doesn't matter if it's an acre or forty. People hunt on those borders where that stuff is gonna happen all the time or u. 01:00:39 Speaker 1: The main border. We had to deal with growing up deer hunting. You know what was we called the other side of that fence. 01:00:44 Speaker 2: No man's land. Meanwhile, that guy was like, no, this is the center of the universe. This is my farm. It was like, don't go down to no man's land. 01:00:53 Speaker 6: I also think it's like, are those guys coming on to that one acre, Like they ain't going there to hunt one acre? 01:01:02 Speaker 2: So now you're saying that the landowner owns the deer. 01:01:05 Speaker 6: No, I'm not saying that, but like you see, like you're gonna go hunt a spot where you're like your intentions is like only to hunt the deer that come onto that one acre. 01:01:17 Speaker 1: Yes, if God said, if you said, Steve, you have one acre, choose to hunt or not, you can go on your neighbors to get your deer, I would go hunt. 01:01:34 Speaker 7: I mean, imagine if that one acre was like sandwich between Lee and Tiffany's and and Bill Winkie's, you know, to each. 01:01:42 Speaker 2: Narrow, like connecting those two. 01:01:47 Speaker 7: I know exactly where to hit him so they don't leave my one acre, you know. 01:01:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:01:52 Speaker 5: Well, it's also raised the question how many how many deer are they shooting per year? Like if they're just screwing up his opening morning every year, I think. 01:02:00 Speaker 2: You just yea. 01:02:00 Speaker 1: But I already came up with a solution how to thx that. I'm just saying this, dude, I'm saying in America, like I don't care if you have one tree, Yeah, I don't. If it's legal, if you're not in the limits, you can legally discharge a firearm. 01:02:19 Speaker 2: You have an acre. Your state says retrieval. 01:02:22 Speaker 1: Is okay, I don't think you're in the wrong. If your state said retrieval is not okay without permission like the one we live in. 01:02:30 Speaker 2: And then you called and you said, what would be the chances I could retrieve a deer on your place? 01:02:35 Speaker 1: They say, the minute you touch your foot on my property, I'm calling the sheriff. I'd be like, man, we can't hunt the one acre, yeah, right, Like, no matter what, I don't care what kind of gun, we ain't hunting the one acre. Yeah, because that guy is going to call the sheriff and we can't guarantee that it's going to stay on the one acre. 01:02:55 Speaker 7: I feel like you have to answer his question. Have I become the private landowner? 01:02:59 Speaker 1: Asked I'm afraid so, with all due respect. 01:03:04 Speaker 6: But his I think that's more of not a private land thing. It's like a neighbor thing, because it's not like private versus public. 01:03:12 Speaker 1: You know what doctor said to me the other day. They're telling me their day. Oh my friend, Oh the same doctor that she's the CWD incident. 01:03:23 Speaker 2: She said to me. When a parent asked. 01:03:27 Speaker 7: Is my doctor no no different. 01:03:30 Speaker 1: D D, she said, when a parent asks a question about food for their kids, she stops worrying about any parent that asks a question about healthy choice foods for their kids. She never worries about the kid because the parent thought to ask a question. She said, it's the ones that would never think to ask. That's just her a thing she's picked up over the years. Yeah, the fact that you'd be like, hey, is it okay if my kids, She's like, kid's probably fine. 01:04:06 Speaker 2: They at least wonder. 01:04:08 Speaker 8: Yeah. 01:04:08 Speaker 1: And I also just think, like, so this guy, maybe he's not so bad because he's at least wondering to ask. 01:04:15 Speaker 5: He's also not saying that they're doing something horrible. He's just saying like, this has sort of become annoying to me. Is there a way to fix this? The pact? 01:04:26 Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think he's become a private land asshole whatsoever. It'd be annoying to anybody. So you can do what Steve said. I think that also offering to buy the one acre, I mean if he can afford it by definitely yeah, you know, I mean if an acre goes for eight and like he's got fifteen that he can spend on this, and just yeah, offer him and it's that important to him, do it, Like it's not gonna make anything mad to offer. 01:04:50 Speaker 6: The interesting thing is. 01:04:52 Speaker 2: None to this. 01:04:52 Speaker 6: I don't even think he'd be having this conversation if that creek wasn't there, if it was just a. 01:04:57 Speaker 5: Corner of Yeah, he's got a sweet, he's got a sweet. 01:05:01 Speaker 1: Trump's his chief diplomat, Steve Whitcoff, he's doing well. He could maybe go over there and talk to him. But him, when you get back from when you get back from Ukraine, you talk to my neighbors about their one acre. 01:05:13 Speaker 2: All right, here's one. Here's a plea for help. I never felt so bad for someone in all my life. There might be more to the story, dude. You think it's more of the story. 01:05:24 Speaker 8: No, I felt real. 01:05:26 Speaker 7: There's more to this story. 01:05:27 Speaker 1: It might be more to the story. Hi Steve, I'm from Alberta, Canada. I've been hunting for three years for deer and have had no success. I'm the first hunter in my family. My friends don't hunt, and most of my colleagues don't hunt. Of the hunters I've found and spoken to, they are all unwilling to provide me any genuine guidance I've received at keep trying, and one day everyone gate keeps their hunting locations. Tactics ideas how to contact landowners, how to determine if the land is good, the etiquette of approaching the land owner and. 01:06:18 Speaker 2: Anything else you can think of. 01:06:19 Speaker 1: I would say, with the notable exception of this show, which has provided endless guidance on all of those issues. By I think he means local people in Alberta. I don't even know what direction people go to hunt. I actually believe some people tell me west to the mountains, but I see images of them hunting. 01:06:45 Speaker 2: To the northeast or south. 01:06:47 Speaker 6: He's starting to figure it out here. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: I tell my kids it's like your hunt were none in your creeks in the Business River. 01:06:58 Speaker 5: See a photo of a with a deer in a big wheat field, and you're like, oh, kill him up in the bridges. 01:07:05 Speaker 2: Yeah. So people are like, hey, man, go up in the mountains. 01:07:08 Speaker 1: But in their pictures there to the north, they're like, hey, go west in the mountains. 01:07:12 Speaker 2: He sees their pictures in there. 01:07:15 Speaker 5: They're out on the plains. 01:07:16 Speaker 1: They're on the prairies two points north, south and east. 01:07:23 Speaker 5: I'd stop asking those people any questions. 01:07:26 Speaker 1: He goes on to say, I've consistently gone almost every weekend for three seasons, and the only animals. So this guy has gotten three years and he has gotten a grouse. It's become extremely expensive and painful to drive two hours solo to see absolutely nothing because I've been sent on a goose chase. 01:07:53 Speaker 6: Like he seems like he's getting vindictive. 01:07:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, spent three years. Yeah, I mean how long is he supposed to stay in a good mood about it? 01:08:03 Speaker 2: I don't know. 01:08:06 Speaker 1: I've done as much googling as I can, but even Google can't mentor me. 01:08:14 Speaker 6: Thanks, please help you forgot. 01:08:18 Speaker 2: So here's the ask, and I can't. This is no guarantee on my part. 01:08:22 Speaker 1: If this winds up being a blood Trails episode, it's not my fault. If someone wants to write in and puts the subject line. 01:08:32 Speaker 2: What are they right into? Contact at something or another the. 01:08:37 Speaker 8: Meat Eater podcast at the whatever Yeah, type in uh, can you find the address. 01:08:44 Speaker 1: To write Roman a note? Put down a Canadian guy Alberta guy, head West guy, Krouse guy, skunk guy, something like that in the subject line. If you're from Alberta, you want to take this guy out under your wing, send. 01:09:03 Speaker 7: Us a yeah. Or if you're like a cool rancher and you're like I got plenty of deer on. 01:09:07 Speaker 2: My that would be the best. 01:09:09 Speaker 1: If there's a rancher who like generally doesn't want anybody hunting but wants to let this guy on just so he can stick it to the other guys. 01:09:16 Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, there are a couple of emails, but just go for meat eater at the meat eater dot. 01:09:22 Speaker 2: You don't like the whole sticking it to him things. You want to keep it positive. 01:09:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he's trying to keep it positive, not sticking it to him or anything. 01:09:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, that would be very nice of anybody in Alberta, you know that could that could help out this fellaw Yeah, I just wonder a couple of things. 01:09:40 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Alberta is an awful bit, Like what if he's in town? Right, he's got to be an Edmonton or something, right because he doesn't. 01:09:48 Speaker 1: Say though he doesn't, but but he's like going, if you're an Edmonton does that make sense? 01:09:55 Speaker 2: Randall? 01:09:55 Speaker 1: If you're in Edmonton, you go west and all that there's Calgary, Yeah, Calgory. 01:10:02 Speaker 7: I just want to say this that if you take out his uh interactions with these other hunters that aren't helping him, he leaves his age. I think that's what that's for. That number twenty four. He's a young fella. He's only been at hunting. 01:10:17 Speaker 1: Three I've read that to mean that, oh, you're right, it's not twenty twenty four. He's twenty four years old. Yeah, right, so he's gonna analyze this. 01:10:24 Speaker 7: I am Okay, he's only twenty four. He's only been at it three years. Uh, Karin, you're a pretty new hunter. You've been at it longer than three years at this point, I. 01:10:35 Speaker 8: Think this is only my fifth season. 01:10:37 Speaker 7: Fifth season? Do you think is it really? Is it really out of the question? She hasn't killed him mountain of stuff. I think she's always telling me about struggling like it's it took a while to get into it. 01:10:49 Speaker 5: Probably how me, dear you got She also works here. She doesn't have our friend's problem. 01:10:56 Speaker 2: She's got six deer, a kyote, what else, the. 01:11:00 Speaker 6: Elk, and a shipload of mentors, which this guy doesn't whole mountain stuff. 01:11:05 Speaker 7: But I think she can see. She could see more than us, because for us it's so far in our past. She could see that it's not unfathomable that you could hunt for three seasons and not kill something. Yeah, for sure, that's just that's my point. So I think to this fella, I'm just saying, like, dude, the ship is not easy. We have mentored people. 01:11:30 Speaker 1: I just feel bad for him though, still you should because I feel like people are being mean to him. 01:11:34 Speaker 7: Maybe yeah, well again, there's always more to the story. We've mentored people on through Meat Eater that were very capable adults. We showed him how to hunt, We hunted with them, We were successful. They did not continue down the hunting path because it was. 01:11:52 Speaker 2: Too much pain in the ass. 01:11:53 Speaker 5: Yes, I also wonder, like his friends don't hunt, his colleagues don't hunt. So then he says, of the hunters I've found and spoken to, like who are you asking? Are you just asking strangers? Like I think you need to build a relationship. 01:12:11 Speaker 2: And there's a guy standing there in some camo, yeah the coffee. 01:12:15 Speaker 5: Like you see a deer in the back of someone's truck. 01:12:17 Speaker 2: You know, where'd you get that? Guy's like to the west. 01:12:21 Speaker 5: Like like he doesn't have family, friends or colleagues to rely on, So like, who is he talking to? Like go volunteer in some conservations all the biologists for. 01:12:33 Speaker 2: Could these creeping people out? Yeah? Could be creeping people out? Yeah? 01:12:38 Speaker 5: Like, you're not going to get these suggestions if you don't have the sort of built up social capital with these people. 01:12:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, like if he wrote a longer email with more detail and in it he was like, So what I do is, you see, people are usually home in the middle of the night, So if I know someone hunts, I'll find their home and knock on the door in the middle of the night to catch them home. 01:13:01 Speaker 5: Or I'll look in their windows to see if they have trophies hanging up. 01:13:04 Speaker 2: And once I determined they're a hunter. Now, but I do think I'll introduce myself. 01:13:10 Speaker 5: You have to build the relationships before you're gonna get any sort of help. 01:13:13 Speaker 2: You know that's true. 01:13:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, if a dude came up to me, Yeah, if a dude came up to me and I don't know who he was, and he was like, Hey, where'd you get that goose with missing half his bill? Yeah, I'd probably go, uh west to here, Yeah. 01:13:32 Speaker 2: A long ways west. 01:13:34 Speaker 7: I think we've given him plenty of advice. 01:13:39 Speaker 2: One of my favorite things on the planet. 01:13:41 Speaker 1: Now, I'm not recommending this because people are gonna read it and they're gonna get all hot under the hood, But there's a very funny writer named Nelly Bowls and she writes for Free Press. One of my favorite things to do when I wake up on Friday morning is to read Nelly Bowles's Weekend Review. What it's called TGIF. In TGIF, it's a com it's a humor column. It comes out Friday. By the time I wake up, it's already out. I get up early, and I lay there and I read in my bed, and I chuckled myself. And it's a it's she starts out, she hacks the right to pieces, and then she hacks the left to pieces. 01:14:17 Speaker 2: She's she's a comedy writer. She's a humor writer. 01:14:20 Speaker 1: She does a funny take on the news. It's satire, but she's very good about ridiculing everyone in a. 01:14:26 Speaker 2: Way that it's just funny. 01:14:29 Speaker 1: She had a blip, and I was kind of unaware of this. She had a blip about the Sierra Club, like that there's been a bit of an implosion at Sierra Club. Are you aware of this? 01:14:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, a little bit. 01:14:39 Speaker 1: Some revelations that have cost the Sierra Club a lot of brand equity. In this thing, what I'm gonna get to is this really funny equity Language guide. 01:14:50 Speaker 2: Which I thought was hilarious that she talks about in there. But I didn't know this. 01:14:55 Speaker 1: The Sierra Club got to the point where they had two people on fighting the Trump administration on anwar and one hundred and eight people on DEI initiatives, and it was talking about that that imbalance of core mission to internal politics that have been problematic for Sierra Club. 01:15:17 Speaker 2: But they came out with this guide. 01:15:19 Speaker 1: Now I went and found the guide and was thumbing through it, and it gives all these things you shouldn't say and what to say instead, like don't say pull the trigger, you should instead say go for it. Don't use locked and loaded instead try ready to go. Don't say bulletproof, say guaranteed to succeed. Smoking gun should be incontrovertible evidence or the damning facts of the case. Don't use chokehold. 01:15:59 Speaker 7: That's twice that twice this episode that you've pronounced uh damn that way? Are you doing that in jes damning? That's how you correctly pronounced that word. 01:16:11 Speaker 2: Well, hot damn is d a m n. 01:16:14 Speaker 7: I know, but you don't hear the N when you say hot damn. 01:16:17 Speaker 2: But how do you say damning just like that? Damning? No, you don't think it is that true. 01:16:25 Speaker 7: I thought you were. 01:16:28 Speaker 5: Damning damning evidence. 01:16:30 Speaker 2: Damn you damn damn listen, dude. 01:16:34 Speaker 1: I'd never say that in but in this context with the N I don't say damning. 01:16:41 Speaker 2: Damning. Yeah, is it truly a silent end? You guys are right, I believe Anyways, I just think it's funny. 01:16:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's Oh because remember how they said someone said that D Day was a day that will live an infamy. Yeah, don't use that because that makes people feel like it's military Pearl Harbor. 01:17:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. Instead you say history has its eyes on you. 01:17:11 Speaker 1: Wow. 01:17:12 Speaker 2: This list is okay. 01:17:13 Speaker 1: One last news bit, maybe two. This is the this is actual news. This, This is one of those This is one of those news stories that makes its own gravy. And this is Brody should be an expert on this because he's from Colorado. 01:17:26 Speaker 2: In fact, Brody's one. 01:17:27 Speaker 1: Of many people that sent this to me. It's a policy thing starting on January first, twenty twenty six, so coming right up here in the state of Colorado, there will be a bifurcation of how bison are legally treated. Now, get this. This is a unanimous decision from what the Commission. 01:17:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, the Commission and the Department of Bags involved too. 01:18:03 Speaker 2: They have to be, so I might. 01:18:07 Speaker 1: I might start out by saying how it is in other places. Let me give you how it is here in the state of Montana, and I talk with this all damn time. In the state of Montana, bison buffalo are the only native animal that is not legally regarded as a wild animal. They are legally classified as livestock. Okay, Colorado has plenty of ranches, bison ranches, privately owned and fenced bison herds. Starting on the first of the year. I'll get into what this aal means in a minute, but starting on the first of the year, there will be privately owned and fence bison herds. Okay, they will continue to be listed as livestock. But starting on that day forward, if a free ranging bison enters the state of Colorado from a neighboring state. 01:19:09 Speaker 6: Or if they establish themselves eventually, oh well, but if they don't walk in, well I'm saying, like and stay or there's a reintroduction or whatever. 01:19:25 Speaker 2: Sure, Okay, is that true? 01:19:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think go ahead and finish, But I'll say why I think it's true. 01:19:31 Speaker 1: Well, my understanding is the wording is free ranging bison that naturally enter the state from neighboring areas. 01:19:39 Speaker 6: Yep. 01:19:39 Speaker 8: So not reintroduction yet. 01:19:43 Speaker 1: Become de facto, become day facto wildlife when they enter the state. I want to talk more about where that's not true because this is all hypothetical in Colorado because it hasn't happened yet. But it's very interesting because it couldn't. I'll get to that in a minute. It could happen, and this is why that's cool that they did that in Montana. So when when a when a buffalo leaves Yellstone National Park and crosses the invisible to them invisible border and enters the state, we go, what you just stop being wildlife there, buddy, and they can shoot you, round you up, load you up, send you to slaughter whatever the hell they want. They don't have to honor it as wildlife, but they always point to south to people. If a grizzly bear, a wolf, a wolverine, a big horn sheep, a mountain go elk, a mule deer, a white tailed deer, a black bear, that could go on all day, any of those things crosses that boundary and walks into Montana, that's some bitches wildlife. If he's a buffalo. He's not he's livestock, which means they they're preventing them from ever getting onto public land as wildlife because they don't. 01:20:55 Speaker 2: They don't. They don't. 01:20:56 Speaker 7: They can't legally be wildlife and private land as wildlie. 01:21:00 Speaker 2: Yeah and private land. 01:21:01 Speaker 6: And there's management levers that they want to be able to pull. 01:21:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, they used to shoot them. 01:21:06 Speaker 1: They used to just flat out like they used to flat out Department of Livestock would sit there and flat out shoot them roll and then public pressure led them to be that. Now they have hunts for the tribes, they have public draw hunts, but still they are not allowed to just come and hang. 01:21:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's a line in the sand where like if they get past all the hunters, you know, they get killed by whatever Department of Livestock. 01:21:32 Speaker 1: So Colorado, say what you want about them down in Colorado for bringing wolves in. 01:21:40 Speaker 2: And not letting them walk in. 01:21:41 Speaker 1: If I was Colorado, if I was the Emperor of Colorado, I would have not done the I would have not done the reintroduction, and ould have waited till they walked in on their own four feet, which was happening anyways, So. 01:21:53 Speaker 2: Anyways, out of waited on this. I don't know. 01:21:56 Speaker 1: No one's talking about a reintroduction effort. Maybe they will, but the groundwork is set now. And why they're getting at this is over in Utah. There's a book Cliff's Herd. Utah has that like the Henry Mountains, Utah has a couple of free ranging wild herds of buffalo and these book cliff ones are a genetic had said, even get into that they're genetically peer, which that whole conversation, in my mind is a lot of bs, meaning people that don't like the animals will delegitimize certain herds of them by saying that they're like not genetically peer. 01:22:33 Speaker 6: They have cattled some remnin. 01:22:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, like like some if you take a blood sample from for instance, if you go to the north rim of the Grand Canyon in Arizona on Grand Canyon National Park where there's buffalo that run wild, and the park service down there doesn't like them. Generally speaking, they tolerate them kind of. They would say, oh, the problem is they're not genetically peer. But if you took one hundred Americans and said and showed them one of those animals and said, hey, what is that? 01:23:08 Speaker 5: Listen? 01:23:10 Speaker 2: One hundred but go, that's a bison. They just are, but deep. 01:23:16 Speaker 1: In their history is like a little bit of cattle introgression, and so people use that cattle introgression bs to like delegitimize certain populations. Yeah, well it's not really a bison, so it's like, let's get rid of them. 01:23:34 Speaker 6: So with this situation, the books Cliffs ones occasionally. 01:23:38 Speaker 1: Do walk across into Colorado, so they're set in the groundwork that as those book Cliffs ones drift into Colorado, it's up to fishing. It's up to Colorado Fishing parks to determine what happens to it. Parks and wildlife parks and wildlife can go no, cool, they're cool, they're cool. Don't mess them as wildlife. If you want to hunt them, you're gonna have to draw tag, right, you can't just shoot them as arrant livestock. 01:24:04 Speaker 6: And it would allow them to manage CPW to manage them if they did, like a herd established himself eventually. 01:24:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is very much a step in the right direction. 01:24:14 Speaker 5: Yeah, in my mind. 01:24:17 Speaker 1: And and just to show you not even biases, I'm like open about this all the time. I am of the opinion, like categorically of the opinion that we could be. 01:24:30 Speaker 2: We could have a lot more buffalo bison. 01:24:35 Speaker 1: I don't care what you want to call them. We could have a lot more buffalo on the landscape for people to see, for people to hunt. It's like, it's just time to get this going, and this is a step in the right direction. I would love to see this. This I would love to see in my own state. I would love to see them Montana. The same attitude. If it walks in, if it's a wild an animal and it walks in on its own four feet, it's a wild animal. 01:25:08 Speaker 2: Cut the tape, Phil, We're not moving. 01:25:11 Speaker 6: On another one. 01:25:14 Speaker 2: Man. 01:25:14 Speaker 1: I want to get into this Michigan thing, but it's like a long time thing to talk about. 01:25:18 Speaker 5: Let's go. We gotta bite him at the bottom. 01:25:22 Speaker 7: Though, yeap sweepstakes, which I didn't know about. I might even apply for this by five tickets. 01:25:30 Speaker 2: Oh you know what I wanted to talk about. 01:25:32 Speaker 7: He's sweet go to Steve's but couldn't eat dinner bench. 01:25:39 Speaker 2: At the office. We should have put this up front. I yes, yes, you know what, Phil, Let's put it up front. 01:25:48 Speaker 7: If you win, you're not allowed to go to Steve's house and say that to him. 01:25:53 Speaker 1: From now until December twenty ninth for running to sweep Steaks. 01:25:59 Speaker 2: This should have really been up top. 01:26:00 Speaker 3: You know what I'm gonna you're you're gonna say this thing. I'm going to copy and paste it right up front and then reason why. 01:26:06 Speaker 2: Okay, And then when you're sitting here listening out holder. 01:26:09 Speaker 3: People will get to the end and hear you say, Hey, Phil, and you've already. 01:26:11 Speaker 2: Heard me say this. 01:26:13 Speaker 1: Duh, I already said it. We're running to sweep steaks from now until December twenty ninth. 01:26:22 Speaker 2: This is a hell of a sweep Steaks deal. What you get, you get a trip to Bozeman. 01:26:29 Speaker 1: So we cover round trip airfare for for you and three friends or family members, so a total of four people. We cover your airfare, your lodging, and your car. You stay two nights in town. I cook dinner. We'll do it here at our at our at our headquarters kitchen, and I'll get some of the guys to help out some of the I'll just put out all company for helpers. We will cook you a mini course meal. I will serve it to you personally. We will give you a one thousand dollar gift card to our retail store on Main Street. You know, don't even to throw this out there, and we'll arrange for you to go down there privately if you'd like, you can go down there after hours with Alec. 01:27:11 Speaker 6: Do they get to pick when they come out or do you. 01:27:14 Speaker 2: Have like you know what I mean, Alex Zimmers. 01:27:18 Speaker 6: Do they get or is it a specific time? 01:27:22 Speaker 2: No? 01:27:22 Speaker 1: No, We'll pick a time that works for them. We'll pick a mutually agreeable time. You and three of your friends, three family members, whatever, We pay your airfare, you come out. 01:27:32 Speaker 2: You gotta come from America, you do. Canadians cannot do this. 01:27:37 Speaker 1: Listen, raffle and sweep steaks laws Byzantine. 01:27:43 Speaker 2: You gotta be in America, jump Montana. Never mind. 01:27:51 Speaker 1: The new driver's license deal cracks me up. If like, if you get a new driver's license, if you're like American, you get an eagle on your driver's license. 01:28:01 Speaker 7: So now the new driver's license will qualify for the for the proper I D for flying. 01:28:09 Speaker 8: Do you mean a naturalized citizen? 01:28:11 Speaker 2: I believe American. 01:28:12 Speaker 1: I believe they just passed the state law that if you're like a citizen. 01:28:16 Speaker 2: You get an eagle too. 01:28:18 Speaker 1: Oh I see, No, we already have real ID, They just kept postponing because of the pandemic. I've been real ID for a while anyhow. Now I'm getting my new one with an American eagle. 01:28:27 Speaker 2: On it, which I'm gonna. 01:28:30 Speaker 1: Keep out of my wallet to show people proudly just y'ah come from America. Okay, I'm getting to the rules. Why did someone scratch the rules out? 01:28:43 Speaker 7: Fine? 01:28:43 Speaker 2: Go for the rules. 01:28:44 Speaker 7: I scratched them. 01:28:45 Speaker 8: I thought it would be like a little too. 01:28:48 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know those aren't the rules. You already went over all that good. 01:28:54 Speaker 2: Scratch. 01:28:55 Speaker 7: How do you enter, Steve? How? 01:28:56 Speaker 5: How is one eligible for such a giveaway? 01:28:58 Speaker 1: Did I say round trip? Yeah, airfare, lodging, rental car, dinner cooked here by me, one thousand dollars gift card one k Alex Zimmer I'm volunteering him, will give you private access to the store. 01:29:16 Speaker 2: The worst actor in the company. 01:29:20 Speaker 6: That means, you know he'll be telling you the truth. 01:29:22 Speaker 5: But one of the finest dogs that is this company has. 01:29:25 Speaker 1: Probably the I haven't told him. This probably the worst actor we've ever hired. 01:29:33 Speaker 6: He won't try and sell you something you don't need. 01:29:34 Speaker 1: No, you can trust this guy because me and Randall tried to get him to act. 01:29:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's straight as an arrow. 01:29:43 Speaker 1: There's no concerns. Yeah, if he tells you something, it's the truth. You should try to give him couple. 01:29:50 Speaker 2: Of pointers film. I try to give him some tips. 01:29:53 Speaker 7: I'll try. 01:29:53 Speaker 3: You know, for how often you talked to me about me doing plays. I've never once been asked to act in any sort of skit or any sort of commercial done at this company. 01:30:00 Speaker 7: Are you kidding me? 01:30:03 Speaker 2: You've done acting? 01:30:04 Speaker 7: I have not. I did. 01:30:06 Speaker 5: I did the Christmas videos, but that was a shocking. Phil, I've cast you in two plays on Radio Live. 01:30:14 Speaker 2: Give me two roles. 01:30:15 Speaker 7: I greatly appreciate it. 01:30:18 Speaker 8: Instagram social skips, Phil. 01:30:20 Speaker 3: I'm working on them from Russ three times now. 01:30:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're filming one tomorrow. We didn't cast filling it. 01:30:26 Speaker 7: We might be filming to tomorrow. I'll get make sure it fills in. On the second one. 01:30:31 Speaker 1: I got cast. Randall's cast, and Brandon got cast. She's missus Claus. 01:30:40 Speaker 2: So I got it. 01:30:42 Speaker 1: Someone's thinking, well, they're not just gonna call me up and give it to me, and you're right. 01:30:51 Speaker 2: You gotta go online. This is grossly oversimplified. Unless simple, that's what I got. Listen, go to first Light. 01:31:03 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you the rules because I think there's a way to enter, Like there's a way to enter free, and there's a way to boost your entries, right, but. 01:31:15 Speaker 5: We have to tell them how to enter. 01:31:18 Speaker 2: Go to first light dot com so you'll see something about sweepstakes. I believe. 01:31:22 Speaker 1: I believe there's a way to enter free, which you have to do in sweepstakes law. And then for every hundred bucks you spend at first Light, you get five entries. 01:31:35 Speaker 2: So does a rub. There's a rub you can. Like everything in life, the affluent will be favored. 01:31:45 Speaker 7: I can't help it. 01:31:46 Speaker 2: I can't help it. They tend to spend more money. I don't know. I'm not making it up, don't you agree? 01:31:55 Speaker 7: Yeah, ending on a hard truth. Well, I'm sorry you had to hear that twice. 01:32:03 Speaker 1: I guess maybe you clean it up, make it sound more optimistic on the first one. 01:32:07 Speaker 7: Yeah, sure, yea. 01:32:09 Speaker 5: A hundred bucks gets you five entries, that's pretty good. 01:32:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, anybody can afford that. 01:32:14 Speaker 5: Twenty bucks a ticket, plus you're spending that money on something you wanted to buy anyway. 01:32:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, Rand wanted to come to Baman he'd just fly himself out here. 01:32:22 Speaker 6: Random blows ten times out every year at the Sportsman's Expo looking for tags. 01:32:28 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, this might be one of the higher odds entries you'll get in this tag season, the strong season. 01:32:33 Speaker 7: We have lots of quarter zips for probably right at one hundred bucks, a little bit under one hundred bucks, maybe a little bit over one hundred bucks. Quarter zips are the thing this holiday season for men. So if you're looking for quarter zips, go to First Light. 01:32:46 Speaker 2: My kids told me the opposite. They've hit peak quarter zip. 01:32:51 Speaker 1: They told me, because people they think it's people trying to look They think it's people trying to look studious. 01:33:00 Speaker 2: That's their take on it. I can see that they're thinking. 01:33:05 Speaker 1: Of like a sweater, Yeah, like a formal sweater, not like a not like Marino bass layer quarter zip. 01:33:14 Speaker 7: No, but I could see a kiln quarter zip being dressed down for a drink at the bar, or being dressed up for a job interview. 01:33:23 Speaker 2: Sure, okay, so that's what you gotta do. 01:33:26 Speaker 7: A little collar underneath that thing like. 01:33:28 Speaker 1: Big old dinner, big old dinner, shop and spree with Alex the Alex the actor as what we call him. 01:33:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:33:35 Speaker 1: Uh, first light dot com. Check it out while you're there to pick up a f up old truck's calendar. We're getting out of the calendar business. This is your last chance ever to get a calendar. I swear I will never make another calendar. 01:33:50 Speaker 7: Will you let me want if I could. 01:33:54 Speaker 1: I'm walking away from calendars. Why it's too fickle of a business. Who'd have thought the print calendar would fade out? 01:34:06 Speaker 2: We tried to run that way while we could. People like it or not are moving away from PreK. 01:34:14 Speaker 5: The only takeaway I got from last year's calendar was that we didn't make enough of them. Is that the expo. I probably people come up to me the Hunt Expo wondering if we had extra calendars there, and I took I took him off the walls of people around the office and sent them to these people because I. 01:34:31 Speaker 1: Think fed up old Shiitters was like as good as you could do, as. 01:34:38 Speaker 2: Good as you could do. 01:34:40 Speaker 5: It's like Rocky four. 01:34:42 Speaker 2: It was like. 01:34:44 Speaker 7: Clay's mom. 01:34:45 Speaker 1: Clay's mom would have two reasons to wash his mouth out. It was so if you said the name. 01:34:50 Speaker 2: Of that calendar, we just need to get more around old trucks. I wanted to do old Fisherman. F up old Fisherman. I'm done. I'm out of the business. 01:34:59 Speaker 6: I was looking forward to be in that calendar. 01:35:01 Speaker 2: Out of the business. 01:35:03 Speaker 1: You mark my words if you want a calendar. And this is not a sales ploy, but I'll point out if you were to want one of our calendars now we're never sucker. Yeah, I'm not saying it because of salesmanship. Done done done, don't the business. It's a fickle business. People are moving away. Me and Brody's wagon wheel went business went tits up too. 01:35:23 Speaker 6: Yep, land speculation business that didn't work out. 01:35:29 Speaker 1: Check we had a little check business, print checks, our mailbox business is slowing down. 01:35:36 Speaker 2: Oil lamps, we're. 01:35:39 Speaker 1: Sitting on gallons of whale oil. Yeah, and now the print calendar thing's slowing down. But we're pretty optimistic about our VHS. 01:35:50 Speaker 5: Uh. 01:35:52 Speaker 2: We're investing heavily in VHS technology. 01:35:55 Speaker 5: Coal furnaces. 01:35:58 Speaker 1: Oh, you know the farm that had the field that had the goose missing its bill? I noticed he heats a coal, big old bucket of coal. He had a big metal tub next to his stove full of coal. I feel like he must have his own coal scene. I won't be surprised these guy's own coal scene. That was cool to see. 01:36:19 Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't know where you. 01:36:22 Speaker 2: Said that guy was. Yeah, we drove off. 01:36:25 Speaker 1: Do you know what that guy was heating with? And they're so young they saw they didn't know what they were looking at. I said that big tub, like with the rocks. 01:36:34 Speaker 2: I was like, that's that dude's coal. Man, dude's with coal. That's cool right right in the living room, big bucket. 01:36:41 Speaker 6: I just wondered if that would work in one of those titanium um. 01:36:45 Speaker 2: Seek stoves camp stove. 01:36:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, a couple of those in there. 01:36:49 Speaker 7: Why not? 01:36:50 Speaker 1: All right, I peel, you can probably turn it off anytime now, man, this is all 01:36:59 Speaker 5: For own amusement.