00:00:08 Speaker 1: This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You can't predict anything presented by first, like creating proven versatile hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for every hunt. First like go farther, stay longer, turn the machine on. Phil. Okay, I'd like to start right here. Uh, because this is interesting to me. No, I'm sure no one else is interesting this. But Chester just was packing a little dip. Not really, it was a tobacco substitute. No, oh, that's actual tobacco. Yeah, it's boiled. It's a Swedish So you're like back on the Anyways, you pulled one out and put it into a little storage unit on the lid, and Spencer was asking if you ever get those back out and do it reach you? Well, if you're ever in a real pinch, you might grab one. That's a good punt. Yeah, so have you. But have you personally pulled them back out and recycled? Probably you don't know who should I ask? I'm sure I have. I just feel like you'd know if you did that or not. Do you think it's probable that you've done that yeah, and a pinch Yeah, I definitely have Okay, okay, do you do you swallow your snuff? Spit? No, never gives you heartburn? Me heartburn. Um, I just came from the gym. You know. It was starting to like perplex me, as uh, the how do they decide what countries to name exercises off of? Because it's always like oh yeah, but no, because there's there's like this is this, like there's this collection of these like women have like this little chore list. They come in, they exercise together, and I don't know who does it, but someone comes in and on a white board writes out like a little chore list for him and on there is Bulgarian something like oh yeah, it's always like Turkey, Turkey, Bulgaria, Yeah, Romanian, like you could do like a Belarusian push up, I'm sure, but they never Why is it like why those countries does the US have anything? But if someone like a French get up, ye, I'd better go home and get my wife. I mean, like why it's we have this idea of like Eastern like this part of like Eastern Europe be like very good at exercise. Yeah, a lot of testosterone ever there. Yeah, yeah, a Bulgarian squat or whatever. It's like, oh, that's how they do in Bulgaria. This is the this is a special episode because this is this episode commemorates our season ten launch, Part A, Season ten as A, Part A and Part B. Five episodes are out now and then five episodes coming right up. But the five episodes are out now. And what we like to do is a little tradition traditions. You should play that Phil from around the roof if we played about thirteen times during the Christmas episode two years ago. It's a tradition to do episode trivia because well after we launched new episodes, we always get we always get flooded with um a lot of questions. So rather than just taking them in as they come, we've actually invited questions. But it was on that day of like national unity, when when social media went away for a day. That's what people are supposed to put the questions in, right, It was actually a couple of days before, on the day when America got a break from social media. H it was a couple of days. It's kind of why did you say something about how that was an issue. I'm only going by what you told me. Yeah, well, because I started reading them, but there were ninety six questions, so I was going to continue on the day that things shut out. Yeah, do we get any questions at least? My goodness, you get that dip in your ear. I'm teasing your Chester hard to track everything's going on. Uh, I was thinking of don't. So we're gonna answer a bunch of free like some facts f a q s, f a q s about season ten joined by Chester or you've sort of been introduced. Crin's here Phil. I like the T shirt? Phil? Yeah? Thanks? Did you buy that? No, not at all. It is immediate Field by Nature. Sure, he's got Immediate Field by Nature shirt. I love that. The designs you've got coming out on these T shirts over the last few months have been killer. They've been great. You know what. I don't know who's doing that work, but that hurts because I've had nothing to do with those. You know, you can you can give a little sometimes. I've handed over the reins on that because I realized that I have very personal tastes that don't necessarily reflect America in general. Rick Hutton from f HF YEP, I'm here again. Thanks, to having me step an old man checkered shirt. We used to be an old man. Like it's a new new man old man because it's because it's a fleece. It's weird. The patagon he's doing that. It's like a Bosman uniform. Yeah, which is a shame. Yeah, it's a dress up like you used to hunt a long time ago. Yeah, it's like doing funny one like non hunting. When non hunting companies to decided to do a nod towards that, they always go way back. They're like they go to an old looking camo. You go to like an old checkered thing. You know what I was in the story the other day in this chat, my ass um, I there's a there's this flannel. It's like old school flannel that I got like hand me down from several people. I think I got it from my dad eventually, but he got it from someone else. Um, and Rick has it now because I shrunk it in the washer. But um, I love that that same flannel. You shrunk it down to Rick size now. But I saw that same it's literally the same flannel made. I don't want to say the company, but I saw it in a story the other day for for a hundred dollars made you feel like you shouldn't have given it to Rick. No, I just I feel like I gotta. I just feel like at what point, like why is why is that something like that worth a hundred dollars? Definitely worth Yeah, And it's like I just really I really struggle with anything retro. Man, It's it's really cool. I like it. I would, I mean, yeah, it's just I could see the jealousy and when I wear it once in a while because he's like, damn, yeah, I used to wear it all the time and then it's shrunk and yeah, they're like harkening back to a simpler time. Yeah, let's get back to those prices too. You want to hark and factor a simple time. Oh Clay, what's up? Hey? Safe? Yeah man, I'm here. Clay's joining remotely getting all kinds of bears, all kinds of deers and stuff all the time. Uh, we'll get back to you. Oh, Spencer, how you doing? Spencer? Good? You didn't call him me in Clay's shirts? Okay, Well do you know what that is? It's weird hunt shirt. It's very nice shirt you can buy in our store is that right? And then you can buy a meatball shirt and that's that's your that's that's our company's kickball team. That's right, Chester plays, Phil plays? Would she uses the best? Well? I was just gonna say that shirt so exclusive. I was on the team and I don't have one, so good luck. I don't have one either. How'd you want up with the only guy with a meatballs that we had? Like, uh, like twenty of them came in, but then the roster you gotta expanded, Like what kind of fur hats that meatball wearing raccoon? Hm? Who made that? Who designed that shirt? Same dude making all of our meat Eater shirts? I think, do you think maybe you should sell those? You know, we had folks asking and YouTube comments where they could get one of these, oh speaking to t shirts Right now at our store at the meatator dot com you can go get our This is a commemorative shirt. This is a truly commemorative shirt. Decade long run of the meat Eater Show meteor TV show. So we have a customer, are very own Hunter Spencer, one of those guys that no tell him I always mixed that up. No, your Spencer, he's Hunter Spencer and your Spencer Comma Hunter. Yeah, we gotta get him on the show sometime. We should. Man, he's the best in the biz. Oh he's great. What tell you call my artist world's greatest artist? Except for like sits alongside sets, sits alongside sets fiance. I don't like to use sits alongside sets fiance as the world's greatest artist. Not only is he like wildly talented, but he gets it. Oh, like he gets the Brandy gets it. Well. He's at a point where not only did he get it, but he makes it leads it because I'm like, yeah, that's what it looks like. Uh, he made us a season ten logo custom season ten logo. We'll never make it again. We might make in the eleven, but I doubt it. Maybe. Also, you can get our new Fox in a box T shirt. Now. This was inspired by episode to A eight Visser and Bones. There's been a lot of build up to. It has to do with a long time feud we've been having with the German hunting dog community. Yeah, the very lawyered up German hunting dog community, where I have it on good authority that they that certain members of the German hunting dog community are into these arcane seeming practices of making their dogs duke it out with various critters to show who's tough. And and we've got a lot of pushback and blowback from people being like no, but we stuck to our guns, and and and covered. In one episode we covered um hunting dog test which is called fox in a Box where your dog dukes it out with a fox in a box so you can get an official fox in a Box T shirt. I sent one to Ronnie. I don't think he knows about it. Ronnie, Babe, God bless him, sits at the center of this controversy in a way that I don't want to get into. Another controversy is not a controversy. A little annoyed me last night. When you're listening, this is just a clarify something. When you're listening to the show, you'll hear ads that we read okay, like like I'll read an ad when we do those, we always we were able to approve our ads, but there's other ads to get inserted into the show, um that are read by other people, and that through things I'll would take like five hours to explain. We don't have a lot of you we we approved categories of ads, but don't have a lot of influence within those categories unless it's like in a very reactive sense. I was listening, like I discovered this on Uh, What's What's What's last? What's the episode just came out? Oh with Jordan Bud Yeah, what was called there's something about the rattlesnake bite. Hold on, I think snake Bite episode. I'm listening in the middle. There's a thing. There's an ad that's not objectionable. There's an ad about the importance of practicing good firearms safety in the home in regards to your kids, and if you have young kids in your house, Um, you need to keep your guns safe, to keep locked up, keep a safe household for young kids. But this particular ad was on there. I had it pulled right away. Was brought by Brady And that's like a I don't think they describe themselves this way, but a decidedly anti gun group that pushes for various gun bands and uh, like I said, the messaging is right, like keep a gun safe home, but I'd rather hear it from the nssf UM. And I do some work for the NSSF on behalf of their child safe program, but I didn't, I don't want and you you won't be hearing from those Fellers again. Though again you've got kids in the house. Man, you have to keep a type program and how you store your guns. The Auction House of Oddities is kicking ass. Oh, I was on there yesterday. I'm pressed tearing it a new one. It's it's yeah, I don't want to name names, but a naysayer, a naysayer came to me here. I think we need a jingle for this. We should have a jingle for when I'm right about something, the airing of grievances. It's just a festiest thing from Seinfeld. Yeah, there should be a jingle like yeah, like uh, you know, like a like a bell goes on. Whatever the hell when I wind up being right, I drink your milkshake. Ain't dreaking up? So one of the angel gets their wings. Yeah, so it's like, it's like, what the hell's that movie? I told the whole story. Ye bankrupt the production company and it was it was a critical and you know failure box office? Uh hit? What am I saying? The opposite of a hit? Sucked? At the box office. Uh, auction Ill was kicking ass. One of the naysayers came to me yesterday. Well, he didn't like prompt the conversation, but we were in conversation about something else in which he acknowledged having been a nay sayer. And I knew there were internal naysayers but no one would identify them, but he self identified as a naysayer and and admitted to being wrong. Very similar when I wounded that big lazy boy back there in the back. I still haven't admitted it though, So I want that big lazy way back in the corner there. Auction Ill is kicking ass. Uh. It's what like when people are listening to this right here? Now? Where are we still had? We're still in week We're still in phase Yeah, week one, they'll be like five days lifts. Okay, here's the deal, the skunk essence that we had. You can just enter to win the skunk essence and if you go on the auction house, the auction house execution, we're still working some kinks out. You wouldn't know that that skunk essence was extracted by none other than me and Chester and Seth were the hyper Dermott needle I bought at Murdock's. I got in trouble that day. Yeah, I've seen Chester fight with his wife at least and west of town on nine about his proclivity for like messing around out in the woods and waters. He he stays very rare. He's like, well, you know, this is why I live here, and this is my lifestyle. No, I mean, but it's you know, I was supposed to be home a couple of days ago. Communication. I need to get better at it sometimes. Oh yeah, thats like a good stretch of the I ninety corridor. I've said, listen to Chester explain his way out of what's that have to do with the skunk essence? Because we're coming back from getting the skunk essence with a with a cattle needle. The day's activities took longer than what Chet expected, especially getting that skunk oil out of it. Yeah, because you don't want to drive You want to get the skunks all taking care of where you're at. You don't want to take it. You don't want to drive him home and take care of him home. You're already getting enough trouble bringing them home anyway. So there's like some passion in the skunk at essence. Yeah, when you if you take a skunk and you I learned this from I learned how to extract it from. Uh probably the best, I feel the best for handling person on YouTube couldn't Creak out Doors. Yeah, that that's great, Stu, Yeah, Stue Miller. Stu Miller, Stu Miller Coon Creek Outdoors one like, very good explanation for himing anyways, he shows how to do it. But you can. Yeah, you just take them and syringe it out. Uh, filled the jar so you don't need Like people keep being like, oh, I don't have any money, How can I participate? You can go sign up to win the two ounce bottle of skunks stink. Did you hear about the Friday night controversy in our auction house? No Friday Night. Uh, there was a bid on Janice's first pheasant tail feather for thirty dollars. Oh no, that's cool. The person meant to bid three. Oh but that tail that that's ridiculus because the tail is very is way higher than I ever would have thought. But I didn't know it would go for thirty. Can we can we get that guy's Uh? Can we get him and roped into that you're you're missing here? He didn't mean to bid, but can we just off his card anyway? I have a feeling it would go to the next hyest bidder, which would be like five at that point. Currently it's sitting at eight hundreds. So how did the guy that accidentally put in thirty grand? How did he get his situation rectified? I texted ur I t guy and I said, can this possibly be right? And he said not a chance, and so he knocked it back down to what he assumed was a correct bid of three hundred, and then bidding has proceeded from there. Well, how do you know that he didn't mean that? No one called him because naturally, because you have to go up in like ten dollar increments. It was at two ninety, and then the guy meant to go to like three hundred, but instead he made it thirty thousand. Warr fields on him or on us? I think we may have left some money on the table. Clay had that dirty dealer Clay, he he would have locked it in. So, yeah, the auction house is doing great the first round. I don't know where we're gonna layd We're gonna land good. We're gonna land good in the first round. Um, and we got a lot more rounds coming up. And then the khotice is inspiring more things. So Doug during we we've been talking about having Doug during submit a bottle of buck Man juice. I was thinking he'd submit a whole mason jar of buck Man juice. But what he is gonna he still is promising to deliver on that. But what is gonna be on the auction? How says you get to spend You get to have a four hour tour of the Durn family farm in kazan Over, Wisconsin to talk conservation, conservation, land management, how to facilitate access on your property in a way that sort of jibes with with farm objectives, how to run a profitable farm and still prioritize conservation work. You gotta pay your own travel, But you spend four hours driving around with Duck. I could spend four years driving around with Duck. That's actually one of my favorite things do is drive around with Doug listening to him talk about his farm. He pays the gas. Dog's gonna pay the gas, or I'll pay Dog for the gas. And if you want, you can go home with the jar Buckman juice. You could even watch going out on a limb. If you so desired, you can watch Doug Emit. You can watch Doug Emit Buckman juice. It's like a drug test. A guy wrote in, Yeah, you'd be like, you'll know. A guy wrote in it should be called during hearing during her in and then you don't remember how dirt's cheo spit is also very attractive to dear. You know this, I don't think so. Yeah, dirt's cheo spit very attractive. Dear, wonder what happened if you mix the two? Well, that's what this guy's thinking. He says, you got to combine during urine and dirt squirt. How has that been tested? And into us where he suggests if he could go bind into a slurry a deer attract and slurry. How do they know it attracts deer? Dirt dirt squid because if he spits it out of a tree, deer come up and smell it more than when other people choose spit out of a tree. Like if you spat off the north side of a tree and he spat off the south side, you're gonna go to the south side. If Doug puts some buckman juice on the tree, they're probably gonna start there. It's true, man, I've seen it on the on the subject of skunk assence um, a lot of people been writing in about I didn't know it was such a thing to do skunk oil pranks. He put skunk assets on a paper plate and slid the plate under the driver's seat of his buddy's car, Hot Human, Michigan, September Day. The guy brought it to have a professionally detailed trying to figure out what was going on. Couldn't get rid of it. They couldn't sell the car are and in the end it was scrapped, ruined the car. Really that bad. You would not believe because people have told me that like antelope glands smell. I mean, I know, sunk versus antelope, and I'm like that it's great. When you get close to it, it's you like, can't breathe. Yeah, okay. It's almost like it can be used as like mace because like smelling it in there, I think it's fine. When you get it up in there, it's a different experience. It even smells way it's like a different smell when it's that close. When you're in it. It doesn't smell like it smells far off when you're real close to it. This other guy wrote in about something interesting. You know, I remember being in high school. Uh, this is kind of date date my ass for sure, because I graduated high school. But I remember being in high school and they made a rule that you couldn't bring guns to school anymore. And I remember going down to the principle and being like, well, that's not gonna work. We have our guns at school and be like, oh yeah, yeah, you know, if you're like hunting or whatever, that's fine. And so we'd like park in the high school parking lot with with guns in socks because you have to have if there's a case law. But a gun in a sock in the window and no problem. And this guy is talking about this is in the Morally stand Wood area, South Big Rapids, Michigan. And he said that they when his school tried to get rid of guns um or so I'm messing this up. They started bringing in a dog to sniff students vehicles for drugs, but kids that had shotgun shells and spent brass and stuff in their cars would get a pass because the dog, whatever dog they had, would smell that stuff too. So he said all the kids that did have weed started to also have guns so they could get a pass on their car. Oh that's true or not? He says, that's one way to get kids into hunting. I don't know, do you buy that, Phil, I don't know why that's such a specific thing. I don't know why he'd lie about it. It's all. It also just seems completely backwards to me. Yeah, yeah, I don't see right. Yeah, when I was in uh, when I was in high school, a junior in high school, my dad bought me a forty four Magnum Super Red Hawk stainless steel rugy with a nine inch barrel pistol with a two power scope on it. And I like the specificity and and I carried it to school every day and for Mr Mr just kept it in the truck, I mean, just you know, and uh, Mr Moser, I can I can say his name, because yeah, Mr Moser. He he was the principal at the school, and he heard about it, and he came to me and said, hey, Clay, I heard you got a new gun. And I said, yeah, it's in the truck, and he said, let's go see it. And he literally walked to the parking lot with me to look over the gun, like not to get me in trouble, because he thought it was cool. And then we just put it back in the truck and he was like, man, that's a great gun. End of story. Times have changed, Okay. One more high school story about dipping. Scott was saying it. When he was in high school, a bunch of students would spend half day at vocational school and he describes these ones as the Hicks and Hillbillies, and I like, he doesn't. It's like, you got your Hicks, you got your Hillbillies. And then it was me from his perspective. And they load up by a bus. They had a thirty minute uh ride down to Voke. They couldn't bring empty bottles of spitting because the bus driver would know what was going going on. But he said, it was an old bust and there's a lot of rips, so they would just spit into the rips of the bus seats. After a while, the bus started to smell like rot and chew, so they sum up a sting operation. He said, the bus driver just inexplicably, in the middle of the ride, stops the bus and runs back to catch everybody. Everybody tried to attempt to spit out there chew, but a lot of them got busted. All involved were suspended, made to clean the bus from top to bottom, and they had to buy new seat covers and install those seat covers. On top of that, his parents grounded him for a month. Moving on one of major correction. A major correction we covered very heavily. These boys in Michigan. They were trapping beavers and they were getting harassed. They're getting harassed. They're traveling beavers in the area where there's an h O A. And they do all their homework and they realized that by God, we have legal access, legal right to catch the beavers. And they go and make some sets and someone comes out and writes what they write no more something like that. Someone comes out and like throws a rock and they're like springs or trap or the rock, like drops a rock on their three thirty Connor bear and springs it and they wrote no more on the ice. So then these guys set up a trail camp and on the trail cam they get a little group of h o A people standing around staring at their beaver traps and they're thinking, ah, the culprits caught them red handed. Then we had them call in the show. And when they called into the show, they were talking about we know who did it. We got him on camera, like it's them against the h o A. They were like circles on the images to figure out who is who. Oh yeah, they're being like Joe Detective. Well they had the good the goodness to write in and explain they now have a major update. When when they put the trail cam up and got a bunch of people staring at their traps, guests, who was staring at their traps? It was the president of the h o A with a nuisance trapper showing them where the beavers were so that the nuisance trapper could come kill the beavers. What the trail cam did not pick up is the nuisance trapper being like, well, it looks like someone's already doing it for free, no need for me to get involved. Very different. This would be like if Joyce the dock owner was actually trying to lure in fish to improve fishing. So did they ever catch the person who wrote no more they do. It was a loan operator not associated with the h O A huh. That story really starts to make its own gravey, don't it. That does made it twice, It made two batches agreed. Oh, one more thing before we get into our questions, crint tell everybody bought your big time antelope punt. Oh okay. So I participated with a colleague at Meat Eater, Uh, Samantha Bates, and our friend ru Mapp, who has been on this here podcast, the founder and CEO of Outdoor Afro. And this is the first year that the Wyoming One Shot Antelope Contest hosted women participants and guides. So we participated in Lander Wyoming. It's my first antelope hunt and it was very I think I've calmed down from it, but for a solid you know, a week or so after the hunt, I was pretty uh buzzed. There. There's some interesting rules you have. I mean, it's a timed a timed hunt where you have you go out into the field with a competitor and their guide and you kind of hunt in the same general area and one person one gets the first hour um hopefully gets an antelope within that first hour. If they don't, they get the third hour and you take over for the second hour. And the point is for each hunter within a three person team to get an antelope in one shot with no manmade rests. Yeah. If God didn't put it there, then you can't. Yeah, so I made a fence post or anything. No, not a fence post meant to like, yeah, it kind of like an older definition of good marksmanship. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like a contemporary definition of good marksmanship. But like you'll, like shooting over your knee kind of stuff, making it count with one shot. You can use a no bipods, right, no bipods, no backpack. Your knee is arguably man made. But you can use your knee. You can use your knee, you can lie prone, you can rest your rifle on sage brush, a rock, part of a tree, um, although you can jiggle a rock around. Yeah, I should say that, I'm not. Actually no, I don't. That's a that's a good question. I don't know if you can. I think it's like you're just supposed to put your rifle down on. You can't build, you know, build something to or shift something to rest your rifle on. And yeah, so the point is to have each team member again antelope in one shot, which surprisingly so many teams don't get. Uh, there's there are a couple of teams where no one got one in one shot. There was only Yeah, there were a bunch of team teams where one or two people out of the three were successful, and there was one team out of over I don't know what do we have like twelve thirteen teams one team were each person was successful in getting an antelope with one shot, so that was the winning team. This kind of friendly competition. It's a very friendly like a bunch of money. Yeah, yeah, no, it was a very friendly competition. Yeah. So I had I went out with U to the same general area with my guide as another hunter and their guide and the other hunter had the first hour, and you're kind of supposed to roughly keep track of where they are because you're in the same zone. But they they kind of disappeared, and when my hour was about to start, we we couldn't find where they were. So my guide and I went off and we mainly saw doze and there was an initial opportunity that I think, you know, probably everyone in this room would have taken um, but because I was so nervous and couldn't steady myself. I didn't take this opportunity. We were probably about two hundred one fifty yards away from a group of antelope that in which there was one buck, and I don't think there could have been a better set up where we were able to get out of the truck and then crawl to hide behind a huge boulder upon which I could rest my rifle. But um, I was just really freaked out around you know, they're all moving slowly. There was only one buck. It was in a group of does. I didn't want to mess up and just couldn't. I probably had five seconds of an opportunity and I just couldn't take it. And then I was really upset for initially because I just thought, ah, like that's it. I blew it like there was no better set up than that, And we kind of drove to a different area of the unit. We saw a bunch of does and so no books, and then we finally my guide's grandson actually spotted a loan buck and we were kind of able to drive around this hill and try to crawl up from behind and and get him, and probably within about a hundred and fifty yards. After some crawling, we we were able to see him, and my guide noticed that he was walking a bit funny, and we had found out that the other hunter in the area had taken a shot at an antelope and tracked it for a while, but then it disappeared. They couldn't find him. So my guide was like, I think this is this is the critter. And then I just thought, like, my opportunity is almost up, like I gave up the first one. This is it. I think I need to just do it. I was so nervous, my heart was beating outside of my chest. Oh god, I can d of like having flashbacks. I could not control myself. I was probably tearing up shaking. Yeah, I'm having flashbacks. So I kind of did that, uh what do they call it? Military crawl? The guy was kind of moving slowly at I guess within one fifty and there was a flat top rock that was really perfect that I was able to get to and lying prone rest my rest my rifle on, and I was just remembering what a lot of people had told me before and during kind of an earlier day of shooting practice too, really not think too much, like if it's in your cross hairs, if you can see behind the shoulder, like where you need to take a shot, just breathe, relax, commit and do it. So he was walking very slowly and I got him in my cross hairs and I just told myself take this out, and I took the shot and he dropped, so, you know, and then I continued to be very jittery and nervous for some time. And oh yeah, and then yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't relax. And then I cried a lot, and you know, hugged my guide and he said some very Mickey said some very very kind words to me. And he was he was a pretty He was a beautiful creature, you know when you after you tag and you kind of bring him to there's like a wildlife and they're like students from a university. We had to drive the antelope when I was down there. When I was down there for it, I don't remember that. Remember. We just took it to a lot. We just took it to a dude I was hanging out with Locker caught it up next. Well, this one grad student identified this buck as being at least four years old because he was looking at the you know his teeth um. And he also had a very beautiful black stripe running down the center of his face and nose, which I guess if it is a younger animal, it's more brown. It's just not as defined. Again, the cheek patches are a little different. And then now I've got some antelope in my freezer. Did you feel that it was mortally wounded? Would have been mortally wounded like there? It was shot in the leg front front right? Do you feel that would have never it wouldn't made it through the winter or don't you know? I don't know because it was broadside. It's left side was broadside to me, and it was its right front leg that was injured. So when I shot, it fell to its right and when we approached it, it's from its kind of elbow joint down was like twisted around, and it had been walking prior to me shooting it, So I couldn't tell if when he fell, if the weight of his body plus the weakness from that previous injury twisted. Yeah, So you don't know if he was packing it weird or not? Uh? Do you guys see on Instagram that picture I put up with that? I don't know the people. We haven't talked to him, but it was just floating around on Facebook as these dudes and Oregon shot this bull elk. They had a mystery, like a very mysterious broadhead. Oh yeah, lodge in the roof it's mouth for a guy had hit it Boston. Its tooth out and the broadhead had lived for I don't know how long it was healed up, lodged in the roof of its mouth. I have a vertebrother with the broadhead built into it, like the bone is all ossified around the around the broadhead. But I lodged in there and I was like trying to figure out what kind of broadhead it was. And it's funny because I started sending it to I sent to Bill at iron Will Broadheads, and he can't identify it. Is it like really old? He's like, And then he sent it to He sent it to someone in like the Broadhead Collectors Association. Pat Durkin. Is funny because Spencer's laughed about this. Pat Durkins sent it to the two people he knows who are old broadhead collectors. Both of his broadhead collector friends nowhere can identify it. No one of these was like a type of broadhead one gas is this type of broadhead like used to be used by trad bow hunters. But it's not like this thing lived forever. I mean, you know at its oldest at six seven years old. So someone using some old ass hard to identify a broadhead. Have you looked at it? Have you looked at it? Yeah? If you go to my Instagram at Stephen Ronnell, you'll find this picture. Crazy. Maybe it's some Steve. I think they. I think they custom filed and sharpened the back edges that Broadhead's one theory. The other theory is that they got warned from being in its mouth. Oh I see, I'm gonna say. Maybe it's some like tread boll hunters. They like to make their own stuff. M yeah, maybe someone made it. Well, I feel like he needs spend a little more time shooting and making well. I don't know any number of things I need to get all saying you get in the comments section. And I had said in my in my caption, I had said, I have five or six questions I'd like to ask the individual who shot the arrow. People took that to me like a condemnation, like, oh, how could you be so bad. That's not my question. My question is what the hell is that broadhead? How did you get it? So it entered the side of its face into the roof of its mouth. Just various questions, not like you're a how are you about? You know? Not a kind of but man, people really jumped on whoever the dude is. No one knows who the dude is. He really got a realm and yeah got a good reaming. Okay? Uh? One guy, So I comment here, here's one question that came in on the show. Do you want to read the questions? That's what you want? I don't know, either get stupid or a good idea. I think you pack the question do you want to answer? And you read him yourself? That makes more sense. One guy said, how commented how? And in the first episode of our new season, we Hunt Antelope with Luke Combs, someone said, how I describe how antalope smell like fried do a corn chips? Luke Combs says that his dog smells like fried to a corn chips. Someone says, what's Luke smell like? I couldn't. I never got a good whiffle loop. I didn't get freed dough like Yeah, he smells like what most humans smell like. I would say, because I never like registered anything unusual. Our buddy Casey says, he smells like free to a corn chips if he doesn't shower for a little while. What was that? Right? In case he does say that his arm pits, he said, kind of like he said, he kind of likes the smell. My daughter, for whatever is my daughter wants to get a stick of deodorant real bad. And I have no idea why. And she said that she she says, if I don't wear a deodor I smell like old macaroni and cheese. That's probably because you probably have old macaroni and cheese on you. Probably I didn't register smell with Luke. Now, Uh, someone want to know how many beers I drank with Luke. Those boys drink a fair number of beers. But but rather to answer that question, I'll talk about what I was drinking. I was. So the ranch we are at, they have friends. This is the best ship on the planet. Man. The ranch we're at had friends who run four J b Q Sauces Marinus right for J barbecue sauces. It's like four J Ranch for J barbecue sauces. He gave me a jar. The guy who who owns the ranch gave me a jar to stuff called Bloody fifty five. I've which is bloody marry mix. Man, you take a swill beer, just a regular shitty beer, good beer, good beer when I think of its good beer, but swill yeah, Like I think shitty beer is good. Same and people like water. I'm like, I like water too. It's like if you drink beer and people get mad that the beer taste, they get mad about it. It's like, but why would I not just drink things that I like? And also why is it not making mad when I drink water? I agree? Man, but I drink water. People have such an opinion about it. But I think the weirdest, stupidest, Like, if you're drinking beer, it should If you're drinking a thing, it should taste like what it is. Its like I like swill beer, yeah, I don't. Like. I don't. I don't need that much flavor in my life. Like if you're gonna drink beer for four hours, I don't need every sit to and be like oh my god, you know I agree. It's like you don't sit and eat flag raw for four hours. He flog for a couple of minutes. When's the last time you four hours though slowly cleaning fish? I don't know. On that Luke comb shoot, I'll drink beer. I'll drink I'll drink like two cans of beer over the course of four hours. On Instagram, I don't need that much flavor in my life. Oh my yah, I needs the worst. On honests Instagram, you can see a video of Janice and Luke shotgunning of beer, which is extremely impressive. Great did you shotgun with him? I don't know how. Never have we used to do kickstands. We used to fill fish fish aquariums up with combat juice and then you'd get lowered into it. That used to be the thing you'd like to do. Do you tell a story about something floating in the combat? We're doing that one night when I was in this house. I used to living with somebody's of mine, and we were doing net where he filled a fish aquarium with combat juice, and you know, then you get like, don't you know, like they hold you up by your ankles in there. Uh. The next day, look at it's just like I remember it was like it goes seventy six cents of changes in the bottom of that from shaking out of people's pockets and in the surface of the water was just hair brutal. Oh but I'll say about these beers. So this bloody fifty five, here's what you do. You get yourself a swill beer. It annoys my brother because I'll pour the top off. He likes to drink the top off. So what, however, you go. If you're frugal, you drink the top off. If you're like me, you pour the top off and top it off with bloody fifty five. If you want to get real good, you get a turkey baster. Um. You know, I knew some people one time that that it was a couple too. It was a couple and they wanted to have it was it was a two women that wanted to have a baby. They were a couple and they um wanted one of their brothers to be the donor and did the whole thing with a turkey baster. Huh. Successfully, you get yourself a turkey baster. It's a different one, and you draw This is why did I I I fell so in love with this drink that I'm telling everybody about that. I bought a turkey baster for this purpose. You get yourself a turkey baster, suck the bloody fifty five out and then injected into your can. You're really good at sound effects. I think you need to make a whole Yeah, ejected into your can mess free m that's pretty impressive. I like to do two good glops, too good. That's the official glopsal right there. How many beers did I drinkle loop? Not many, but I sure enjoyed them because I had that jar that stuff, and that stuff is good expensive to order it, which my wife I talked up so much. My wife got me something for Christmas, but I had to pay shipping it. It's better to find. Oh, I mean, if you're gonna order, order a whole bunch because you don't want to be shipping around one jar that stuff. This this here question inspired a whole lot of topic coverage. Or or you can order some forest floor foods Bloody Mary makes too about that kind? There you go. Yeah, we talked about on this here podcast before. You never sent me anither Chester take it away. I got some in my house. I think there's some sitting upstairs right and I'll drink every drink, every last drop of that Chester. That's pretty similar to a meat chelada, right, that's it's like beer intimation, dude, um bud light chilada ice fishing. I haven't tried one. When it gets real cold out and it gets slushy and your ice fishing, but you got your warmed. You got like a lot of clothes and a fur hat on, so you're hot, but it's cold and your chiladas slushy, very tasty there, Yo, those days are coming. Oh, I think you can order some forest flour foods stuff off the meat Eater website coming to Oh, that's gonna happen. I think it's gonna happen. Yeah, how about some forest flour food stuff on the old auction house Chester? Is it really? It's gonna be one of a kind. I don't know how it's gotta come where. It's gotta come with you going to their house and singing and making him a drink. But yeah, that's a great auction, like an old fashions Here it goes again. Chester plays guitarshion from even More. Yeah, well you know what, speaking of Danielle Other Danielle, Danielle's dogs going up on the auction house. Very soon. We're gonna put up on the auction house that you bid on Chester's Family's pickles mixes. You've been on a forest floor food drink mix right, This isn't this isn't actually happen until it happens. But hear me out, Chester, you buy a forest floor foods food box, the old fashioned box. When you buy it, Chester comes to your house and makes you a drink and sings you a song. Chester, you don't have to put up with this anymore. Sto auction. It's gonna fill start writing the apologe Duran's gonna fill a Mason jar with Buckman juice while someone watches him do it. You can't go to their house and sing a song. I never said no, but I'm just trying to picture it, like how that was very weird interaction. I'm here, what do you guys double single? It sounds like you got planned out, dude. Someone asked on one of our episodes, we had a mountain We had a mountain go hunt episode and I whiffed a shot at a mountain goat that it was like around three yards away, and whipped a shot at it. Um, they're like, whatever happened? How did you miss that shot? I missed that shot? Of the whole bunch of reasons, I'll explain a couple of them. One, it's been a long day. I mean as much as that's an excuse, Um, climbing around had to have like spent a few hours climbing around with ampons in the snow. Everything was cold and wet. Finally get up on the mountain goat, it's bedded down. If you ever been in a situation where you're laying down in the snow waiting for something to stand up, and he's been hiking a lot, you just start getting cold, so that becomes the thing, and then you start thinking, man, I can't lay any longer because I'm gonna get so cold. I'm shaking so bad and shivering because now I'm all soaking wet laying the snow, and the early is going to my head. Is like if the mountain goat stands up, I'm gonna I don't know what's behind him, Like you're hunting very cliffy stuff. And in fact, uh, had he gone over that thing? Did you ever go up there? Yes? That was very uncomfortable. Had he gone up over Like had he fallen the other traction, it would have been very like a weird hard place to extract him from. So I was thinking, might have needed ropes. Yeah, he might have needed ropes and had to get dirt miss climbing gear, and I'll have to go fetch him, uh dicey. So in my head I'm thinking you got hit him, and you got hit him in the high shoulder, got him in the high shoulder, because when you hear people say like him with the high shoulder, it's like you'll you'll drop it quick. So I'm think I'm gonna hit in the high shoulder. But it's it's you know, November. What I hadn't been really plotting on, uh, because I just lost in sort of the heat of the moment. For one thing is that he's got eight nine inches at wool on top and shoulder. They're not nearly as big as you think they are. Like you stripped the hide off, it looks like a normal goat land there. Yeah, Like how many pounds of meat off this one creature? Just to get a sense of size or how much that's a great que I carried one the other day. Um, I carried all the meat from one the other day, and I did not feel that my backpack was that heavy. There was like a one trek and poll pack out. Um, I don't know what the hell is it? What is in one? I don't know. Very low yield though, Yeah, they're all they got a huge gut. They're eating all that low quality forage. They got like an enormous digestive track, huge gut. Not a lot of meat. They don't run. Small backstraps I remember for that, small bags, not very wide. Yeah, there's not like a girl. They're they're not. You get to hide off him in your eyes, like wow, there can't be forty pounds. And I don't know. Is there forty pounds of bones? Meat? And the mountain goat? Maybe a big one that's more. I don't you know. I can, I can find out, but I don't know. Off top of my head. I could do some bath and figure it out. I carried like bone. I carried one out, bone in, and I don't think my backpack it's got any more. There's no way my backpack weighed more than eighty pounds, and I had the whole thing on the bone, including rib slab in my backpack, and I think my backpack weighed eighty pounds. It's like antelope size. So anyways, I'm thinking about high shoulder. I was not accounting for um. I was not accounting for all that wool. I was also off in how I clicked. I was off in my hold, and I was also off in my zero. I was high on my zero. So each of these things contributed a little bit. And I took off a hunk of wool which hangs on the wall of the podcast studio. If you look carefully at the hunk of wolve that that bullet took off that mountain goat, you'll see that there's a teensiest little bit of like like leather kind of attached to it. So we made a little dirt myth made me a little plaque where there's the wool that I knocked off, and that's called the miss. And then above that is a picture of the mountain goat, and that's called the hit. But I took that hunk of wool off his back. It's like it's too flattened cotton balls. Should put a picture of that on your Instagram or something, Steve, when this episode drops or something like that. I don't know it would be great idea. That's the best idea. Thanks guys. And the in the back of the thing. He oh, he burnt in lessons learned. Yeah, Dirt myth got into making picture frames. What a thoughtful dude. He made a beautiful picture frame for me that hangs right when you're right when he come into my house, one of his picture frames is hanging there. It's got moss and ship on it or like, uh, it's beautiful. He's a crafty little feller spell checker though he needs a spell checker. He made lessons possessive. Listen. I don't think Dirt puts a whole lot of From what I know about Dirt, I don't think that there would ever tell you that that's his specialty. I don't think he specializes in spelling. Does not specialized in spelling. Why wave a white flag when you're anilal hunting That's an old trick. That's an old trick. My older brother, I have a I have an older half brother. He was in his late seventies, oddly then the net surprising seventy years old. He was um. He was a hunting guy for a long time in Colorado. He was the first guy I ever talking about waving something white at him, and he was a hunting guy a million years ago. He would uh, he'd carry a white white flag. You know, animal got a big white side on him. Yeah, like an animals reddish brown, but he's got a huge white flank. It ain't for hiding. It's for finding each other, you know, when the sun shine out of that thing like they live in. They live spread out a big, huge flat country. They're ridiculously fast for any predator that it's out there as an adult, just like hiding is not on their sort of they're not worried about hiding. They don't when they bed down. They bed down in very obvious places. Like antelope don't do anything to hide. The more pressure they're under, the more they want to lay up high where they can see everything that's going on, and they don't do anything to conceal themselves. I think that big white side is just a way the antelope keep track of antelope, and one with a buck and some other ones too. If you just take something in a white thing and wave it and then hide it so it sees the white but never gets to really get a read on the white nine out of I don't know, maybe not nine out of ten times. Eight out of ten times that thing is gonna close distance on you. They just they you like if you if he doesn't know you're there, or he's like, what is that thing over there? And you wait to hold a game bag up and let a game bag blow on the wind and then put it down. He's gonna start walking in your direction. Caribou if you if you sorry, what's that with cariboo? If if you see care, they're gonna pass you buy and they're not gonna get close to you and you're hidden, stand up and walk around from it, then lay back down. They I mean they drop everything. Yeah, you get a hunch over, walk around him, and then lay back down. And usually they're gonna start because like it's either a grizzly, a cariboo, or a wolf. It's a If it's a grizzly a wolf, I'll just see that and turn away. If it's carribou, I want to go hang out. You're like exploiting their gregaris, very similar to putting decoys out for a ductor go ahead and stuff. Um Our dog is like similarly colored to antelope brown and white, and we've had at antelope see the dog and like come running in to see, like to get closer, just because I'm assuming, Just because I'm assuming, just because it looked like from a distance, she looks like a little antelope in a way. Uh. They you know, during during the rut, they decoy very effectively too. But I've used that game bag trick all the time, and I keep a game bag always handy. Antalope putting Clay take on this question about respecting to kill man? Have you looked at this one? How prepared to you? You know? I did? I did see it. I'm probably a six and a half. Yes, this feller writes in I don't know. Maybe I'm assuming a fella, I don't know. He says, I was explaining to my wife about respecting to kill an animal after it's harvested, and she was down for it and understood. But then she happened to be watching the rack who to the episode with Clay and Janice, and she grew livid when y'all showed mingus the hide in the tree, asking how the heck does that respecting the animal's life? I didn't have an answer for I got an insight, just like Clay will take it out. But I'll explain real quick. Uh, Janice is training a dog. He's training mingus as a hunting dog, a tracking dog. He wants to be able run raccoons. Wants to be able to run lines. So in order to help the dog make the association between to connect all the dots of what was happening, Janice, Uh, shook the raccoons hide by the tree. Got the dog excited about the raccoon, excited about the tree, just to help the dog connect all the dots, like, oh, raccoons in the tree. They got the raccoon. Now we get the smell that and play with it. Um. So, Eric Clay, how how is if you use it for dog training, does that inherently make it disrespectful? No? I would. I would have to say that, you know, to me, the holistic experience of using that animal. You know, we we took the meat from that animal, We harvested the hide from that animal, which we we we tanned, and and that is in the auction house of oddities right now. Yeah, it's in there. Yeah. Yeah, that's awesome. So I mean, I just I personally wouldn't have viewed that as disrespectful at all. I mean, if you're if you're looking at the macro picture of the massive explosion of an unnatural populations of raccoons in the country. The best thing that you can do for living raccoons is train raccoon dogs to go out and harvest the over abundance of raccoons. So it's like this circle of life thing. You know what claims referred to there is raccoon prices are at historic lows, and you have a incredible number of raw coons on the landscape right now, um, which can be detrimental to a lot of other species. Great for raccoons potentially until they get the until they get infectious diseases that spread through them. That's right now. You know, I just didn't. I would have never viewed that as being disrespectful to the animal. I mean, we didn't let the dog wool on it or anything. You know. No, if you had a leather throw toy and train your dog with that, um, would that be disrespectful to that cow? No one would ever bring that up. If you threw an old shoe, an old leather shoe for a dog, You're like, get a boy, Get a boy. Is that bad? It's made of leather. Yeah, yeah, put that in her pipe and smoke it. They the dogs, the dog toy aisle at the pet stores just loaded with pig's ears and cow hooves. And oh, that's a good question, all sorts of stuff. Is that disrespectful? I don't think it's big. No one cares about respecting fire animals. No, I mean no, cause can farmers do consumers don't? Clay. Here's a nother one for you. Did Mingus do well behind the scenes? And how is Mingus training going? Mingus is Yanni's dog. Yanni got a pound puppy. He went down to the pound and got like a hound dog. Yeah, you know what. I so prior to this hunt, Janice had talked about bringing Mingus, and I actually discouraged him a little bit from it, just because I did not thinking, you know, three nights of hunting that the dog would catch on at all. And and so I was. I guess I didn't discourage him. I just I didn't try to say, hey, this is gonna be really good for this dog. And incomplete honesty, I was pretty shocked at how quickly that that dog was was tree and raccoons And what you wouldn't have seen is that Yanna stayed two extra nights after the shoot and we went out in Mingus absolutely struck and tread on a coon. I mean just not all by himself. My dogs were there too, but you know, so the dog did fantastic. He he really had the ability to catch on quick to to tree an unseen game, which that's the trick with raccoon and with the big game hounds. A lot of times they're seeing the animal in a tree because just a larger animal like a mountain lion or a bear is sometimes visible, their scent is really strong. A raccoon hound has to be a little more nuanced because he's totally tree and off of scent. And man, Mangus really did awesome. And what was also kind of stunk Steve is that, you know, we really struggled. I mean in the raccoon hunting was not where I figured we would have trouble. Dude. We were in a cold snap that made national news. Oh yeah, there were woodpeckers laying all over in the woods. That throws the death. It was we're wandering around the woods were dead birds, but they looked perfect, like perfect dead birds laying there that had froze the death. Yeah. Well, the other two nights that that we hunted, we just the coon hunting was great, you know after after the shoot. Yeah, finally warmed up. Yeah, it warmed up a little bit. Another question for you, Clay. So, on the episode with Clay and I are hunting white tails and Texas, I bust Clay's ratlin anilers, which I'll point out or in the auction houite of bodities right now. M h the very ratlin andlers. And he wants to know if Clay's ratlin anlers were ready to snap or were you giving it an extra bit of juice? Mm hmm. Okay, So I am a strong man. Let me I can know my own strength. Okay. There's a little bit of history of those antlers. One of the antlers was a five point side of a buck that my dad acquired at a like a like a bow shoot uh door prize event. It's a beautiful probably a hundred and forty inch side, and I saw it off the brow time. The left antler was a sure enough Ozark mountain shed that I picked up in two thousand five on and I'll tell you the property it was on the kick Line property, and so it had been land there since two thousand five. I mean, I mean it had not been landing. It had been you know, off the off the deer's head since then, and it had no indication of fracture or breakage. And on the first set of our hunt, yeah you broke it, man, wasn't there some squirrels chewing on that? There was a touch of squirrel chewing, but it was not on the G one, which is what Steve broke. I can't remember two. It was a G two. I'm sorry. Did we go looking for the broken chunk? I feel like I remember looking for but I can't hear if we found it. Yeah, you know what. I carried it. I carried it around the whole hunt and I can't find it now. You sweet and you picked it up in the episode. Yeah, good eye said, I got another one for you. Clay, all right, you're getting a lot of action in everybody. Someone wants to know what this is. Also in the auction House of Bodities, what was Clay's shotgun revolver making model? That thing looks so cool. That's what that thing's got going for it is it looks cool. That's right. A lot of comments. Yeah, thanks it that was a rossy circuit judge. And it's a four ten. It's Revolve the Revolver four ten. Uh. That also shoots forty five caliber bullets. And you know what, I I want to get a modified choke for it. It truly would be a great squirrel gun. And I used it and I enjoyed. I really enjoyed carrying it. I need a modified tighter choke. That was the only thing. It shoots a pretty uh, pretty pretty loose pattern. But yeah, man, I love it. I really enjoyed carrying that gun for squirrel hunting, but need a tighter choke. You can learn more about that gun on our website. Steve wrote an article we pulled the Shawn September called the Guns and Meat Eat Your Seats and Tanny talks about six of the guns used in the five Episodes's good Spencers, Hey on the On the episode, we called it the peacemaker though, yeah, were we calling it in an error? Well, we just dubbed it that. It was a nickname. It was. It was just kind of a nickname. Oh I missed one I was going to bring up. Would I have thought of the Mountain goat hunt as a success. Had I killed a nanny, I would have kept that at it and just got I know, I wouldn't have done that. I mean I had in my head to find a billy and I was gonna find it. I was gonna find a billy if I had had to go and not get one out of gone and not got one. But would you like have felt badly No, if you would have gotten in nanny. No. But I just had in my head when I was gonna do it, and I wasn't gonna change what I was gonna do. But that's my career advice to I think they're more framing. And if you misidentified and walked up and why did they say that? That's why I took that. Oh, had we misidentified, no, I would not. It would have been like No, I wouldn't have Uh. I would have been disappointed in our ability to like make that. It's a very hard thing to do. I'm anything but an expert, but I would have been. Yeah, I would have been. It would have been a complicated one for me. I would have been disappointed. Steve, let me ask you this when you walked up to it, what was the percentage chance in your mind that it was ability. I mean, were you like hundred so were a while And it even had like the piss stained hump. It just had all the trimans, had all the trimans. And at that point we had looked at we had just been able to look at a lot of goats. And the other thing is we're able to This is when it gets helpful is when you have a mixed herd. Because by that by by that point they were starting to get ready for the rut, and so billies were moving in with the nannies. So not only when it's tricky is when you're looking at all nannies are you're looking at all billies. But when you got him lined up, it becomes like when you have a bunch to compare, you can It becomes very easy when you have stuff to compare it to. And like I said, he had like the rubbed flank. He was pissy colored, he was more yellow than everyone else. You could compare the horn structure with everyone else. Do you remember when we spotted that group, I was down below, I'm like, oh, there's a billy. There's actually two billies, and they remember and then you guys were like looked at him. You're like, oh, that's cool. Chester kind of wrote it off that group. Yeah, and then Seth about twenty five minutes later, looks in that group. It's like, oh, there's a billy. You guys are good work. Seth. Oh, Phil, you know that song we're gonna make about me being right? Yeah? Do you want to do that? I'll do it for a chance to play with Chesters. It's gonna sound a lot better, a lot more details. I drink your milkshake, ain't drinking up. Chests just trying to get in on the He's trying to get it in on the on the post glory. No, I really don't care, but I thought it was pretty funny. I appreciate that. That's kind of thing to burn my ass. Man. I still be walking around with that too, Chester, I still be walking around it. Everyone smile. Chet looks at me weird. I'm like, what do you say? It's just pissed. There's a good saying. Um, vengeance is a dish best served cold. Oh there you go, Chet, Oh on the top, here's the hell of a segway on the top of the horns. Remember I was saying, how you can see that you could compare to billies and the nanny's horns when they're all standing there together. Someone said they never thought about this until we brought it up on the episode Prong horn are the only animal that shed their horns annually. And he's got him to wonder, and is the material instructure of horns? How's that different than antlers? Well, yeah, so horns are made out of here. Here's a very like under give it. You probably know a lot about the spencer. I gonna give a very sort of like superficial understanding. Horns are made are crat nous. They're made out there. They're made out of the substance that your hair and fingernails are made out of. Yet, I was recently cutting some antlers from my wife to make jewelry out of cut and when you're running the same across the saw, it smells like when you're at the dentist. Antler smells bad. Antler smells like burnt hair when you cut. Yeah, it smells like like when when you're getting when you're like, that's what it smells like, antler or horn antler cutting antler smells like burnt hair. Yeah, And he used to cut a lot of antler. But you're not even talking about what I'm talking about. And you were talking about antlers. First, I thought, okay, all right, listen, because I'm trusting that you probably know a lot about this, because it seems like the kind of thing you know. Maybe not, I don't know, you don't know anything about it. I'm just saying a way to generally begin to understand, like a very superficial way to understand the difference between horn and antler material. Horn is hair like, it's cratinus. It's made out of the in fact, the antelopes. When you're looking at the new growth on an antelope, it's almost like you can look and see the hair turning into horn. Like. It starts out as a hair like fiber that turns to horn. And is it hollow ish ish you it has a bone core when you So it's getting a little bit complicated. Let me talk about horn stuff in general for men. Okay, what do you guys say? You say when you pop them off their hollow? It's yes, but they're formed around. Let me just set the table. I'm gonna talking about horned ship in general, big horns, Okay, doll sheet bison prong horn. Yeah, mountain goats they have what are you taking a big in him? No reason, I'm doing great. That is a hair like structure that sits over a bone core. When you take a big horn. If you find an old big horn deadhead, a lot of times the horn will have rotted away and what is left is a bone core. So that thing's skull, it's skull has these big gass blades that come out of it and go up and fill the base of the horn. Right, yes, antelope American prong horn to be like more, more, more cracked, more contemporary American prong horn. First off, they don't have any kinfolk. They're the only member of their genus. There endemic to North America, so they're found nowhere else, no other At the end of the at the plis to scene Holocene transition, all their cousins vanished from the face of the earth. They're the only member of their genus. They are one of a kind. They have a horn that sheds annually. When that horn comes off, underneath it is the new horn already growing, and it's a slick, little gross, little growth under there looks like madded hair. And then it comes into its own as a horn. If you kill an antelope and you just go clean it, like let's say you take an antelope and you beatle, clean it or boil it, and you don't take that horn off, you are in for a treat. Because some time will go by, and this happens to people all the time. Some time will go by and all of a sudden something doesn't smell right, and then all of a sudden, your whole house doesn't smell right because you need to get that horn off and clean out all that funcation that exists between the bone core and the horn. To get sheep off, like when we clean doll sheep, you'll put it in in a contractor bag. You put the whole damn head into contractor bag and pour some water in there, and tie it up and leave it out in the sun, and then get yourself piece of plywood, and once you've got it good and rotten, you take it out and throw it at the plywood to But to pot the horns off stinks like holy hell, some of the worst stanch you ever experienced. But it has that same like Harry condom look just nasty look, because he's not building a new one. He's not building a new one under there, because the sheep has his horns for his entire life. Okay, so the problem horns are the only ones that have that weird because they're shed because they're growing, that new one grows underneath, and it's like when your little kid. You don't have any kids, but either way, if you do, your teeth to fall out and there'll be a new one waiting there in line. That's how their horns are, Like the new ones waiting there in line and kind of like shoves the old one off. Yeah. I remember looking at that for the first time. I was pretty gross. It's like a it's like a tight skin around there. When you boil it, you to like score it ye, and then you can once it's boiled, you and like peel it all. It's like a little condom over the bone core. And they do have like a hollow cavity in them. Korean Um in college, I shot like a year and a year ago. There's expense, we know, and love. I shot like a year and a half old antelope, which would have made for like a really really unimpressive European mount. So I pulled it's horns off and it made a shot glass with one of them. Because it held exactly an ounce of liquid in it. You still got it, no abuse it. It's a good auction house, it's right. And I imagine as you get like a two and a half year old, three and a half yeld four and a half year old, you're probably getting too like a big shot glass volume at that point. If you listen to this podcast, you know that um age doesn't lead to big antelope. For a long time, the world record antelope out of New Mexico was three years old. Yeah, but there's certainly that's six. They go downhill, there's gotta be difference between like a one and a half and a four and a half year absolutely, yeah, but they but they top out. They can top out at three. But that's the same with like a white tailed deer. They'll they'll peek at like six and a half, seven and a half and then started going downhill. Well, these go these go downhill way earlier. I don't even know we're arguing about it. Antler antler is an understanding horns and Antler's Antler's bone like very similar to bone, the structure very similar to bone. That's why for a long time. You know, like certain things become like certain things you say, become fashionable, and it would be that some years ago it became a thing where you call pronghorn goats and also in the whole damn world calls them goats goats. I just had a guy said I got a goat tag for some unit. I'm like, I don't really had a mountain goats net unit. He's like, oh no, I mean I was so confused at one shot. For a hot second, I was calling it a goat, and I'm like, what it became very hip to call him goats, and for a while ago it became very hip to call antler bone a lot of bone. Look at all that bone. Tom Spencer, h yeah, here's one for your steth. You didn't even get to the question part of why, Like we talked about antelope horns for ten minutes. What's the question because guy asked you about just like, oh no, teerless rock, sure of horns different from antlers. I was like, I hallucinated that, like the dick you did. I was thinking during the episode you had talked to him. You're like, yeah, now sometimes you find these things just laying around. I was like No, you don't. You don't find those on the prairie. I've never wanted to find one. On the episode, I know, and that's what I'm saying. I was very impressed. I don't think the last long. No, I don't think so either. That's why I was very impressed. They're like, yeah, Luke, you can find these things just laying around and then shed horns. I wonder if, like the coyotes and whatnot, come and chew them up, because they're similar to like sheep and water buffalo horn sheds that are dog dog choose such a thing. Yeah, they don't last like an antler, Like the structure is not that strong. They rode away quick. But I found a bunch of them. I bet I'll find one this weekend hunting with my kids. That's cool. I've I've never found one. You don't look at the ground very much. Being a rockhount, I think, yeah, but you're too fixed on rock. You do notice horn. You gotta look from something looks like wood. Here's what's easier, bow hunting or flintlock hunting? Um? Well, Rick and chime in almost I want to hear from both you. That's that's so if you were to approach both the same way. Like bow hunting, you'd sit in the tree stand right or on the ground, but in in a in one spot if you're bow hunting white tails. Yeah. So if I was to take my bow hunting set up and add a flintlock to it and not a bow, I would say bow hunting because I know my bow is going to go off even if it's raining. What about a traditional bow? Why wouldn't I go off in the rains? No? No, I'm saying like I'm saying like there's a difference between a traditional bow and a compound Like I know what you mean. I would say a muzzler is easier and you can be more accurate with a muzzleloader, a flint lock muzzleloader than a trad bow. I think it's like effective range versus um. But I think if I'm sitting in a tree stand and if I have flintlock or a bow, I feel like the bow is going to be more reliable, you know, on average? Yeah, that makes sense, and and you know, easier to to get a shot off just see, like you said, you know what's gonna go. But yeah, but if I'm running around doing drives and stuff. I think the flint locks just an easier thing to deal with. Corect I would agree on that, Yeah, I think, although I'm curious, like if we hunted in a much drier climate, would we have a little bit different you know, you know that that's a factor humidity, and obviously we saw that on that hunt. But I think, like say I said, the type of hunting kind of comes into it. But yeah, i'd say accuracy, range of the weapon, and it's pretty awesome with the muzzleloader versus a bow, but then the is it going to go off, especially in any kind of damp or more human climate. So I don't know really what you say is harder or easier. It's kind of situation dictates, it depends. It's the answer, that's your answer, the official answer. Yeah. Guy wrote in why don't you use blood tracking dogs to trail wounded animals when you hunt in your episodes? Just mad availability. I don't know if we had, but I can't think of any situations where I don't really know. I can't think of any situations where wouldn't legality also coming because some states are still think around board there is a question legality, Uh, we use a blood tracking dog in between shoots last fall and a deer hunt, remember on Michigan, I do, yeah, And the other day I had a friend um their day, I had a friend hit a box and he felt like he got it. He felt like he got it good, but it wasn't bleeding good. But he's still just by looking at the arrow, he felt like that has to be a dead deer. But he couldn't find because he went into a cornfield, a thick corn field, and there's not enough blood. And so he's like, they just looked and looked to look um. And he asked me, abou knew anybody had a tracking dog? And we're trying to get hold of Yan because Yan he's kind of more tied into that. But I called a friend of mine has got lion hounds, and he said, they're not blood trailing dogs per se, But my god, do they find dead and dyeing stuff like they can't help themselves. So I said, well, how do you know when they find he? So I'll put GPS collars on him and turn them loose and if there's something dead out there, they're gonna know about it. And so he goes out there with my friend and my friend goes around the other side of the cornfield in case this thing comes busting out. He said he hadn't even gotten finished walking around the cornfield and phone rings just they're like, they just are on it. So he sees all the dogs, you know, they come together and quit move and he's like, there's something holding their attention to it's the deer. That's cool. Yeah, is that's basically like a bloodhound. Oh, he's good at spotting blood. I used to be. My eyes went bad. Blood track has got hard. I like blood track as good as spoting blood got a little little blood spotters. Here's one for you, Clay on the mule based episode, So we need an episode of hunting squirrels off mules. Do the cinematographers that's a generous term. Do the cinematographers we call camera dudes, but that's I'm joking. Do the cinematographers and crew have to hoop it the whole time? Or do they also get mules? This is a real point of contention. Yeah, yeah, we don't get mucles. I've been on shoot from they have mules. It's hard. It's hard to be up and down. It's hard to shoot off for mule. It's hard on when we did that hunt in Wyoming, that horseback hunt Wyoming, that that kind of stuff is just hard on equipment because horses or mules are always running you into brush and stuff you can't kind of you can't control it. But no, we usually don't for long pushes. Everybody will have a horse. Yeah, but it's hard to do your work on the horse. Yeah, and people almost get where they rather was run. Yeah, because it's hard to fill them right. And I mean we may we may not be sitting on mules or horses, but we we do offload some of our gear onto the horses that make us a little lighter, more fleet of foot for getting around. Yeah. I know I said that was for you, Clay, but it want I'm not being for you. I guess Clay's part of it is it's Clay's fault for not having mules. For everyone, you need to get more mules, Clay Man, Hey post Covid. It's it's a hard market, hard market for mules. Everybody thinks they're mule skinner all of a sud Well, I just you just there. They doubled or tripled in price. Have you ever thought about breeding mules clay like not mules because you can't, but like trying to make mules. You know, if I had a bigger place, I probably would try to have some mayor horses and raise a mule. But but you just need a lot of ground, you know, I need a lot of ground. Hey, they can't talking about cameraman walking though, you know they did a lot of walking on our squirrel hunting and on other mule hunts we've done, Steve, I mean, you know, I remember that first day when the first day we shot for the squirrel hunt. Um Tyler's whatever kind of device he was using to track check himself, you know, he he felt like we went eleven miles that afternoon. So that's that's a lot of walking for the camera dudes. And we did more than that the next few days. No, A good way to think about camera guys. Imagine yourself out hunting birds with a dog. You walk a mile, the dog walks five miles or more. All this zagging around, Yeah, camera guys get some miles on that. That sho was tough because we would then go coon hunting that night. Yeah, I was pretty happy with the canon that I got to drive around in you're feeling good in there. Yeah, how do I find traveling on mule back? I quite I quite enjoy it, man, I like it. Um. Yeah, I don't know that. I'm not like a sophisticated enough of a horseman a muleman to have like strong opinions about mules versus horses. But I can say that I have no desire to travel fast on horseback, like I have no interest in galloping, so I don't need an animal capable of galloping. This is not my thing to gallop around, to gallop through the mountains. We would we wouldntess you come off from mule a couple of times on that on that episode. Oh yeah, I fall off those things. But I'm like a cat man. I was, I gotta. I wasn't gonna bring it up unless somebody brought it up. I was. I was impressed with you, Steve, uh that you weren't afraid of the mules. And and and I have seen the three guys that I've put on mules in this year, your honest being one, you've been one, and then uh my buddy Dave Gardner, and I'll I'll tell on him, have had the same have actually getting on the mule with heavy packs have fallen over the top of them and landed on the ground. Um, and uh, it's yeah, they're they're tricky, man, They're tricky sometimes just to get your balance. And then you got pulled off by a wall of briars. One time was my fault, Yeah, no, it really what You just got raked off and the mule just went through. But no, the second time, your mule was trying to hop onto a road, Yeah, and it like jumped the ditch and kind of sent you flying slipped on the ice. Yeah. Hey, Michael Ranger wouldn't have been able to hang on for that. Hey, Michael, Michael Lanier, who's a veteran horse and mule rider, bit the dirt and I've never seen him by there. Hey, that was treacherous conditions for riding mules. Man. Yeah, I had I think three crashes. I got drug off by briars. The horse fell on the ice and I just stepped off because it was laying on the ground, and then I got kind of like thrown off, I guess. Yeah. And then Michael Lanier, his big mule, was trying to sidestep of frozen What what happened is weird walking down these old roads that were covered in snow, but they were big mud holes underneath the snow. But look, it looked like just like perfect flat dirt road. And then the mules got on it and they were standing on sheets of ice, so they started getting super spooky. And anyway, Lanier's mule sidestepped what he thought was a mud hole and then jumped and Michael just came sailing off and landed on his back. Yeah, I was treacherous, man, it really was. You know, it's funny. The other day we were hunt mountain goats, one of our colleagues at a mountain goat tag. We're all hunting mountain goats and we're going down this trail and there was a tree falling over in the trail and you can see where guys have been in there hunting on horseback. And you could see on the the on the trail head side of this tree that they had gotten into a terrible ruckus with their livestock about jumping that tree. Because the ground the size of this studio were in the ground was just ripped up hoof prints toward a hell where you can say that no, they could not get those things to jump that tree, and in there is a uh sig magazine full of nine millimeter shells and it perfect fit for Garrett's pistol. Oh nice. Yeah, so some guy got into a big blow up, lost this pistol, lost the magazine on this. So if you're looking for your magazine, one guy said, for High Mountain Goat episode, on average, how long are you sitting in glass anywhere? From like a real glass and sash could be at a minimum, like a legitimate glass and session could be at a minute, thirty minutes, or it could be eight hours. We're on cous here, we'll sometimes spend the whole day sunrise and sunset. Yeah, and just one or two spots just watching. Well. Yeah, it was tricky too because there was snow. If there's no snow, it's yeah, that changes things. You can cover some more ground quicker, Yeah, because with your glass one because mountain goats are white, so if there's no snow, you can burn through a lot of ground. But when there's snow, you gotta slow down. You're more looking for their tracks. You wind up looking for tracks in the snow. Then you follow the tracks until you find the tracks, stop and then looking there's something standing there. It's very hard to find them in the snow. They're a little different. They're a little different colored than the snow. They're a little more pissy colored, but hard to find. The snow changes everything. Hunting doll sheep in the snow is tricky. You gotta look. Did a lot of looking for tracks on then you look for tracks and follow the tracks and try to see what's going on. All right, So Craney got one last question. Yeah, um, I wanted to know what other states have a muzzleloaders season and then, uh, you know that whole the whole deer drive situation seemed very complicated, with a lot of room for things to go wrong. So just kind of curious about the thought behind, you know, planning that and going into it. Who wants to start? I know Montana this year has a it's not like a flint locks season to say, but it's a like a primitive muzzleloaders, like a late primitive muzzloader season, which you can use flint locks, match locks, percussion, percussion cap. If someone's out there with the matchlock, I give him all the You can use a regular old Joe blow muzzleloader. Well, no like the like the like cap like a percussion not no modern inline style. What does percussion style mean? Um? So, how in the episode he saw there was flint striking a frizen and it starts that powder there is almost like a primer. Think of it as like a cap that's like a primer in a center fire cartridge. You slip that on a nipple that is essentially a tube that goes down into where the main charges and there's a the hammer is cupped and when it hits, it strikes that cap with a lot of force and does the same chemical reaction spits an ignition down through that tube. Yeah, it's more reliable. So yeah, that was like the progression. You had flintlocks and then technology you had a percussion stuff. Got it? Yeah? So but most states, to answer your question, creant have a muzzle inter season. But it's just that Pennsylvania is unique and they're the only one that by law flintlock is the newest technology you can use. It has to be a flintlock ignition. It cannot be percussion, which they changed it, and they were pioneers to like they got going on before, So I think they change it now that can use a percussion stuff, or in the early season you can use a percussion there's there's like an early October where you can use something in lines and stuff. But to your second part of the question, deer drives are there's a lot that goes into its culturally, it's it's pretty neat and it's an aspect of hunting that's not talked about a lot um. There's definitely pros and cons, but there's a whole I mean, that's like an hour long subject to talk about how to move deer across the landscape, especially with the number of the big factors like number of people, what's the weather like. We had very crunchy snow which affected us. And I do want to point out one thing from the episode that I feel like, depending if you don't if you're watching, you understand when you were trying to make sure all those deer didn't go down It's like, we know deer go downhill a lot and drives, but there's a private property boundary there that we cannot hunt on the other side. So you're also in the East Midwest, you're trying to manipulate deer around. Maybe we're topographically contour wise. They want to follow the contour or go down or any think, but you cannot because they're going to go into private So now you're trying to force a situation that isn't kind of natural. So that's like a whole other aspect of like a good crew that knows how to do a drive. Um. Yeah, and that in that drive when all those deer were going down, we're just low on people. We would have more people we could have, should we explain, like what a deer drive is like for people that don't know, Do they know what we're kind of talking about right now? Take it away? Yeah, go for it. So in a deer drive, rather than like people traditionally just sit and wait for deer to come to them, that just be like regular old hunting typically. Um, a deer drive, you'll have people trying to push deer towards another group of people who are sitting there waiting on the other side of the woods or a marsh or thick cover. Everybody packs big dip. Everybody, everybody packs big dip. It's usually after you just watch the packers beat the vikings. And in the Midwestern States, Uh, it's a huge part of their culture. I mean, I feel like people are getting away from the deer drives now but um as much as they used to do them. But anyways, you're trying to push deer from their betting area. Two guys that are sitting and waiting or what pushers and watchers or drivers and sitters. You can call them sal Dakota. We call them walkers and blockers come up. Pushers and what do you guys call them something stupid chasers and I call them drivers, drivers and posters. I do them posters because you're staying the post. So anyways, let's say you have a forty acre woods and you'll probably designe who's gonna go sit and who's gonna push however you want to do that, draw cards or whatnot. But the sitters will go on one side and they'll find little spots to sit out and usually once they're set, the pushers we'll go to the other side, and then they'll start walking towards the other guys um and between somewhere in between there. Hopefully they chase up some deer and they push them over to the sitters, um and you try and shoot them. It's most effective when you've been doing the same push we called it doing a push. You're driving deer, but you do a push. Uh, when you have a push that you do generationally because you know, because it could be like you could have a certain you could have a farmer chunk of woods whatever, and it's it seems I don't if that's true, but it feels like you could take every deer off it and put all new deer on it and give those deer a year and they're gonna leave that patch of woods, are going to sneak out the backs drive the same area and be like, here's what's gonna happen. If the winds the right direction, they're gonna go up that rich or they're gonna come right along here, or they're gonna go just left to that maple. And like and if you do it once a year and don't overdo it, but you save that drive and do that drive once a year, it gets to where you have great precision and how it's gonna play out. And then you're then you're like, oh, who gets who's gonna go on that seth You go up to that spot And I was like, no, no, Rick, you go up to that spot and that gentleman that first drive where Steve had a little mishap with the set trigger that I put you up high because behind you was a shale slide and the deer generally go up and they go above that shale slide because they don't like to go across it. Yeah, so like you learn how they're gonna do it. We had two main drives growing up, and we just knew. The first year I killed was on that drive when I was thirteen, um, and I shouted for me to fill because they go up the ridge. I could see the just all I cauld see is like for me to fills, like the white throat patch sticking up above the edge of the thing. That sounds fun, great time. I feel like they're football analogies or like children's games analogies like it. It gets pretty serious because very fun. I've been with Cruise where you you get to the gas station more than they pick teams, and you're on like B team all day. It doesn't matter if B team's posting, you're posting. If your drive B team is driving, you're driving. And there's a guy who gets appointed a captain, and like if there's a bunch of arguments about what drive to do next, doesn't matter. The captain, like he makes the final decision about what you're doing, so we can get it's pretty. It's an awesome culture. Maybe you're driving. I'll tell you this. Deer driving is very blue collar. Yeah. Maybe meetaters shouldn't be playing kickball. We should started deer drive team. Yeah you can't in this Uh, in some states you can't dear drive. You can't, but you can't do it deer driving the state. If you look at how the legs are written, you can't do it. Dear drive, but do you drive? Is right? It's very blue collar. It's very scrappy. Yeah. Yeah, it's not like uh, you know, it's not like you know, sitting around you don't do a deer drive, then go have like, uh you know, a glass of red wine. Deer drives and drink bushlights. Yeah, you don't, like, oh, bourbon up and tune cup and smoke a cigar. It's like not deer drive it. You might pack dip put a little bloody merrymakes into a swill beer. Yeah, you can smoke a swish around the deer drive, no problem. And if you want more on Flintlock. On October, this guy we published an article written by Jordan Sillers called a Brief History of flintlock Hunting in America where he takes you from the nineteenth century to why not the eighteenth century? Well, because the technology sort of started in the sixteenth century, but the golden days were the nineteenth century, so that's where hen't even throw to the eighteenth century. It's it's brief, but it basically starts in the ninete that's a good article. How to read it? 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This time, I'm thinking, uh, it will take another six pack to win, so I'm gonna need to bring your a game now. We can't wait to run this because I got I'm gonna run my own and you're gonna play good. We have some housekeeping from last time. In the last episode, I asked what the term el dente refers to, and the answer was the duneness of pasta or rice. Sam Nichols and Bradley Shreking Gost reached out and said that it can also apply to grits. This was made famous by the movie My Cousin Vinny, when Vinnie asks Mr Tipton about his breakfast play the clip force Phil, Oh, I'm sorry. You testified earlier that the boys went into the store and you had just begun to make breakfast. You were just ready to eat and you heard a gunshot. That's right, I'm sorry. So obviously it takes you five minutes to make breakfast, right, right, so you knew that. Do you remember what you had? Eggs and grits? Eggs and grits. I like grits too. How do you cook your grits? You like regular creamy or out dente, just regular. I guess regular, instant grits. Oh self respect and suddenly uses instant grids. I think proud of my grids. So thank you Sam and Bradley for that info. If you said grits when I asked that question, you also would have been correct. Also, I asked what the name of the legendary fish was interrupt your quirt. Yeah, people were pissed about that question because I didn't feel it was like appropriate. You were piste about that question. Other people were pissed. Okay, alright, I saw the email you sent me. The email people complaining about how I had nothing to do with nothing one person, so you and one person. Also I asked what the name of the legendary fish was that Max and John tried to catch and grumpy your old man Chester confidently as Walter, which was incorrect. The correct answer was catfish hunter. I had. I had about twenty people reach out and said Chester was thinking of Jane Fonda's nineteen eighty one movie on Golden Pond, were Billy and Norman grow obsessed with trying to catch Walter the trout. Well, handy, Jane, So maybe that'll make you feel better. And finally, I challenged our listeners on the last episode to figure out who the four representatives were that voted against the Endangered Species Act of nineteen seventy three. Eli Favreau reached out to the Library of Congress and got us that answer. It was Robin Beard of Tennessee, hr Gross of Iowa, Earl Land Greeby of Indiana, and Robert Price of Texas. Thank you, Eli. Those also like names from a long time ago, so it sounds like nineteen he used to be running around now, all right, And that brings us to meet Eater Trivia play the music, Phil, Look, I need to know what I stay in to win everything. I'm saying, just tend to win everything. Well done, Got Spencer is good? I feel like Spencers get posched away by a real game show, Jeopardy real quick. Before we start the game, claydie, have something to write on I do? Oh, You're ready? Awesome. Clay is the only guy on the planet that's so honest that I trust him to play remotely. Yeah, me too, I would never trust myself to play remotely. Do Google searching? Okay, alright, first question and like the last time, the last two times we played This one is going to be multiple choice. The topic is public lands. What state has the southernmost glacier in America? Utah, Wyoming, California or Colorado. Which state has the southernmost glacier in America? Utah, Wyoming, California or Colorado. I feel like I got this one wrong. Dad, damn it. Hold on, Clay, don't be showing your answers yet. Damn what you got Cuddy. I have my glasses on so I can only see a full stuff. I'm holding back to the right time here. I will prompt you into show your answers. Does everybody have an answer? I'm not happy to reveal your answers. I am seeing one person got it right Chester. The correct answer is California. All states? Why why is that a public lands question? Because it's on public lands? All four states mansions have glaciers, but the southernmost in the USA is the lily Put Glacier in California. It is about twelve acres in size and lies on the shaded north facing vertical cliff of Mount Stewart in the Sierra Nevadas. It actually grew five percent in the nineteen seventies to nineteen nineties, but has been shrinking ever since. I knew I should have put that down. What elevation is it that I don't know? It's one of those like, oh, I didn't know that questions, Well done Chester, the second it's Chester, Chester. Did you guess or did you actually know? Guest? It was educated. That's right, he knew the Sierra Nevadas were high and cold. So question to the topic is cooking. If a recipe calls for s p G, what doesn't want you to use? Here's an example in the chef's notes. It may tell you to generously apply SPG to a deer steak before grilling, or to a fish filet before battering s p G. The example, again is in the chef's notes. It may tell you to generously apply this to a deer steak before grilling, or to a fish filet before battering. A lot of people right now in their answers fast Chester, do you have an answer? No? Everyone reveal your answers anyway we have. Steve says, salt pepper and garlic. Karin says salt pepper and grease. Clay says salt, pepper and garlicper have an answer. Creative answer by Rick is salt, pepper ground and then pepper ground Seth couldn't come up with the g He said, salt pepper question mark the correct answer. The correct answer is salt, pepper and granulated garlic or garlic powder. Dude, come on correct correct, My goodness. So we had Steve get it correct, we had Clay get it correct, and that it very very proud of that right answer. This acronym is especially common and divisive in the barbecuing world, where it's a popular rub for Ribi's filam and yon, brisket, tenderloin, chicken breast, chicken wings, pork chops, and more. Some swear by a ratio of one part salt, two parts pepper, and one part garlic, while others think the correct ratio is one part of each and the third camp swears by four parts salt, two parts pepper, and one part garlic. Now, if you want to make this easy on yourself, our friends, it's by stylogy. Actually sell an SPG rub that they say is their most versus Hoyle Bland. You can find good job SPG guys. Guys can get a call from a real game show. Do you have a contract with us later. Why don't we start again the handshake agreement With the third question, the topic is waterfowl. Now. This next question comes to us via Samuel Saucier. If you have a question that you think is right for Mediator Trivia, you can send it to Trivia as a mediator dot com. Listen to this, keep thinking, I'm like at a different thing. The question I'm at like some show couldn't be this podcast. The question, again via Samuel, is what was the most harvested duck in America? In? What was the most harvested duck in America in? I think this might be one of those questions I don't know. Again, if you have a great question, like Samuel, send it to trivia at the meat eater dot com most harvested duck? Does everyone have an answer? I'm going out on a limb reveal your answers. Steve says, coot, Chester says green heads, Karin says Mallard, Clay says mallard, Phil says Mallard, uh Rick says Mallard, and Seth's is green wing teal The correct answer is Mallard green I mean green head. I will give it to you this stad you can't green heads. That's what people call them males. This I will give it to you. This status from the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service there were two point nine million mallards killed in followed by the green wing teal at one point two million. Not a stupid answer, get all at one million, wood ducks at nine hundred thousand, and blue wing teal at eight hundred thousands. Why I put coop down because you're allowed to get like that's kind of a stupid answer. But here's the thing. Here's the thing in a lot of trivia people focus on like, like I said, it's a type of question that inspires the response. You're like, oh, I didn't know that. Of course it's mallard's. But I put down coots thinking it was like a surprise question. I get it. Last time I was doing the same thing. I put green wing teal because like, the Southern States are pounding teal for months before the our seasons come in close. Was a thoughtful answer, though. Thanks against Samuel for the question. The fourth question, the topic is fishing. Legendary angler Bill Dance is famous for wearing the same origin white cap with an upper case T on it. For the last fifty years? What does the T stand for? Legendary angler Bill Dance. You've probably seen his bloopers. Maybe you've seen him bass fishing. You've probably seen his show. I think it was like Bill dan Saltwater Adventures. Dude's been around forever. Is famous for wearing the same orange in white cap with an uppercase T on it for the last fifty years. What does that T stand for? Does everyone have an answer? Reveal your answers. We have Steve saying titillating. We have Chester saying Texas Football Team, Karin saying nothing. We have Clay saying Tennessee, Phil saying tight lines, Rick saying University of Tennessee, and seth saying Tennessee State College. The correct answer is the University of Tennessee. Yeah, I mean that that was given when I said Tennessee, University of Tennessee. That's right. I will give it to you. Bill helped the college recruit a high profile football player who was a big fan of fishing in the nineteen sixties. As a thanks, Tennessee's coach set Bill a few hats. Bill then war one during a big tournament later that year which he won from that point forward, it be came his lucky charm and part of his identity. Now there were some context clues. They're like the origin white. Is there even a Tennessee State College? Now? I don't think, I mean maybe, but I feel like you made that up. You should just left it. Tennis, I knew, Yeah, I knew going into its gonna be question question five. After this question we will get a score update from Phil. The topic is gear. Some of the most popular binocular sizes among hunters are eight by forty two, ten by forty two, and twelve by fifties. In optics lingo, what does the first number represent? Eight by forty two, ten by forty twos, and twelve by fifties? What does the first number represent? Give me there? I feel like I had to help out the room after last time. Last time, it's kind of about blood bath. So does everybody have an answer? Chester, you're still writing. You will reveal your answers in three two one. We have Steve saying magnification. Chester, you're saying how far you can see? Coren saying magnification, Clay saying I can't read his handwriting. I think I got it all I had magnification. Power crasted out and wrote diameter of lens. We have Phil saying thickness of glass in millimeters, We have Rick saying magnification, and we have Seth saying magnification. The correct answer is magnification. So does how far you can because the second number refers to the objective lens size or aperture, which is measured in millimeters. The bigger the number, the wider the lenses, and brighter the image. Phil hit us with a score update, I gotta, I gotta update. This won't give me a second, So Steve out at, Karine got it, Rick got it. Everyone but Clay and Chester correct. We don't. We don't use a lot of botos in Arkansas. You're gonna say just the eight for them boys, all right? Stephen Ronella has two points, Chester the divest has one, Karin the producer has two. He's got to oh, I didn't had his last one. I'm gonna edit this south to making sound smart Californian greenheads. Chester has two, Karin has to, Rick Hutton has three, Seth has one, Clay has three, and I have one, putting Clay and Rick tied for first. Alright, what if no one counts so many coots get killed. I would be confident that they do because they have a bag limit for them, and when you take your survey they ask you that one. We're halfway through the trivia. The sixth question is public lands. Steve an't gonna like this one either. I already know because it's like dubiously tied to pulpit lands. Yes. In the year two thousand, the International Hydrographic Bureau voted to add a fifth ocean? What is this ocean's name? In the year two thousand, the International Hydrographic Bureau voted to add a fifth ocean? What is the ocean's name? And I would be very curious if you're listening to this and you got kids in like elementary school or middle school, if they have an updated textbook, like if it has this in there or not. I would love to know the answer, um, because I'm very curious what is the fifth ocean's name? The room looks very stumped. What year did you say? Again? The year two thousand? Because say where it is? I will not accept that answer. This is the least confident the room is looked. Yet, does everyone who is going to create an answer have an answer. Yes, yeah, Karan is still writing. I will have you reveal your answers. Now we have Steve saying antarctic. We have Chester with nothing, we have Karin saying nothing. We have Clay saying southern, we have Phil saying Antarctic, we have mix saying great legs and Seth with no answer. The correct answer is southern or Antarctic. So most of the room came through. Listen. That happens to be my favorite live under public lands. I'm gonna agree with Steve that you threw me off with public lands. Yeah, yeah, public waters. You have something for the folks who aren't hardcore hunters and nangagography. And now did you say it could be accepted as the Antarctic ocean? Correct? I'm just trying to tell him my my lead here. Yeah. Now, the i h O asked this question to a survey of its sixty eight member nations. Only twenty eight nations responded, all of which voted in favor of adding a fifth ocean, except for Argentina. Now this is where it gets messy. And why South Pacific and North Pacific and stuff like that. Now, this is why, this is where it gets messy. And why. Twenty one years later, the I h O is still in limbo of officially recognizing a fifth ocean. Eighteen votes were cast to call it the Southern Ocean, while ten votes were cast to call it the Antarctic Ocean. Even more controversial, the nations couldn't decide on if it should start at the sixtieth parallel south, fiftieth parallel south, or thirty fifth parallel south regardless, Organizations like Miriam Webster, the c i A World Factbook, Encyclopedia Britannica, and National Geographic Society all now recognize a fifth ocean as the Southern Ocean or Antarctic Ocean. You hate it? No, I like the great phenomenal question. Stupid category. All right, the seventh question, he's cooking, What is the unit of measurement that indicates how spicy a pepper is? What is the unit of measurement that indicates how spicy a pepper is? No? Multiple choice? No, no, no, no. Like when you look at the menu, how many peppers they have lined up next to you? It's not a buffalo wild wings, but you do see this term thrown around in grocery stores. Mm hmm. Everyone have an answer. No, I'm not gonna reveal your answers. We have Steve saying, uh, what is your caps can the caps can scale. We have Chester saying Skillville. We have Karin without an answer, cat change a measurement. We have Phil saying Scoville. We have uh, we have Rick saying tears, and then Clay and Seth do not have an answer. The correct answer is Scoville heat unit. Well done the folks who got it right. This scale is named after its creator, American pharmacist Wilburg Scoville, who invented scale in nineteen twelve. For reference, a bell pepper is zero, a jalopeno is five thousand, half an arrow is two hundred thousand, and a Carolina reaper is two million. God, he needs to do like you know when when remember when you used to go to Mexico and things costs like eighty thousand pasos and then it does acts a bunch of zeros off, so also knows like eight pay cells. Then you did you know keep between one and ten it's like thousand. I knew that. Yeah, I screwed that up. Question A. The topic is conservation. There are nine species of sturgeon native to North America named two of them. Nine species of sturgeon native to North America. I need you to name two of them. I originally had it as three, but I think this room we're gonna go with two, so we get some folks getting some right answers. Steve had a confident answer. I'm seeing a lot of eracing. Karin is googling something I already gave up on this question. Rick is also be racing. I'm not raising my answer. You just are you just going from bonus points. Go for bonus point, Steve, see how many you think you can get. I'm not going to give you a little bonus points. Does everybody have an answer? Who's going to make an answer? Go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying white, lake, palid, and shovel nose. We have chess Are saying palaid white, and then we have Phil and Korean without answers, Clay without an answer. We have Rick saying northern and white, and then we have Seth saying shovel nose and white. The nine species are Atlantic golf, short nose, lake, shovel nose, pallid, Alabama green, and white. So most everyone who answered, did get it. I don't think Rick got no, I did not. Seth Chester and Steve all got that one correct. Although many of these species are considered threatened or endangered at state and federal levels, the rarest of the nine is the Alabama sturgeon. They are so rare, in fact, that one hasn't been caught since two thousand seven. The only way biologists even know that they exist is through the environmental DNA tracking. This is where water samples are taken and scanned for a targeted DNA sequence. In a study on the Alabama River, seven team of one hundred samples taken tested positive for Alabama sturgeon DNA, giving biologists proof that there at least a few still around. Wow, that's unbelievable. They did it similar in they only had like three of fifty. No kid, Yeah, and they're picking up I guess like the slime. Really interesting, man, So that they just scrubbed a bunch of stuff from the endangered species acting extinct. They finally took the ivory build the ivory build woodpecker, even though reports still come in every year first claiming its affiliated or however you want pilot, give us a score update Phil, we have two questions left. It's a barn burner. We have Steve, Chester and Clay tied up in first place with four, Rick and myself have three, and Seth and Curin have two. Al Right, the ninth question the topic is upland this next question comes to us. Be a Jeff Prender guest. If you have a question you think is right for media to trivia, Senate to trivia at the mediator dot com. Um. There are four states where you can legally hunt the state bird. Name one of them. Now, I need to put a qualifier on this. Some states have a state bird and a state game bird. I will not accept your answer if it's a state where you can hunt the state game bird. Here's an example. Massachusetts state bird is the black capped chickene, which you cannot hunt. But they have also designated a state game bird, which is the Eastern turkey. That is not what I'm looking for. I'm looking for a state where you can hunt the state bird, and there are four of them. There's only four states, only four states. Jeff sent this in and I fact checked him. This is a phenomenal question. Great question. I don't think I don't know that I have right, I have low confidence. It's one of those ones. It's one of those questions that you feel like you should know, and so it's painful to not know. All right, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying South Dakota, Chester saying South Dakota, Krin saying Virginia, Clay saying South Dakota, Phil saying South Dakota, Rick saying Pennsylvania. And he puts a whole bunch of state there. I thought, and we have list four of them, and we have set Pennsylvania. The four states are, which this room did very well, Alaska, California, Pennsylvania, and South Dakota, South Dakota. The Alaska state bird is the willow ptarmigan. The California state bird is the California quail, The Pennsylvania state bird is the rought grouse, and the South Dakota state bird is the ring necked pheasant. Little little advice for you there. If I was doing this okay, I would have a way to build in that you get bonus points for having more of them on there, Like when I had that ship about sturgeons, or I had a bunch of extras. But what if you have those wrong, then it take it away just named all fifty states. That's a good question. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no no, no, I don't I don't know what to do if you got it wrong? To you throw you're throwing down hard. Yeah, you're throwing down hard. If you put them down and you're wrong, wrong, you're wrong wrong. But if but but if you, if you do it, it should be good on you. But yeah, you can't back out. You can't keeping this simple? All right? Do we do? We have a chance for a time. What's the score again? All right? So everyone got that except Carenzo, Steve, Seth, and Clay. No, sorry, Steve, Steve, Chester and Clay are tied for first with five and Rick and I have alright on this last question, and I need everyone to pay very close attention. Every detail matters in this question. Are we ready? Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for while I on the autumn equinox their boat bag if a train going this way on the autumn equal nights Chester, which I think they might have been Walleye Fish in September. All right, the question again, Pay attention, pay attention. You might It might even be helpful. To write stuff down while we're going through this. This is very much like the train traveling. I was hunting on the autumn equinox. What I liked about is when they got shooting hours, shooting hours like sunrise sunset. You guys were fishing with Luke Combs on the but we did walleye fish with Luke Combs the day after. All right, Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for while I on the autumn equinox. Their boat is headed directly towards the setting sun. Chester gets mad at Seth because Seth keeps crossing Chester's line, So Chester exclaims, damn it, Seth, cast your line out the starboard side to the boat. To what direction should Seth cast? All right? Like north southeast west direction cardinal direction. Correct. Chester and Seth are pitching jigs for while I on the autumn equinox. Their boat is headed directly towards the setting sun. Chester gets mad at Seth because Seth keeps crossing Chester's line. So Chester exclaims, damn it, Seth cast your line out the starboard side of the boat to what direction should Seth cast? Autumn equinox, they're heading directly towards the setting sun. They couldn't be pointed straighter at the setting sun. And Chester gets mad and he tells Seth out the starboard side to what direction should Seth cast? Does everybody have an answer? I wrong? Go ahead and reveal your wrong. Steve says north. Chester says south, Karin says north, Clay said is north, Phil says north, Rick says south, and Seth says north. The correct answer is north. There are only two days a year where the sun actually sets exactly due west, the spring equinocks and fall equinox. The front of the boat is the bow or forward. The right side of the boat is starboard, the back of the boat is a stern, and the left side of the boat is the port. The easy way that I was taught to remember this while working for the U. S. Fish and Wildlife Service is that port has four letters and leftest four letters. Oh I was just that? Was I like that one spencer than you. People might have a pain in the ask so they can't make a little scratcherowski. That's right. So I'm gonna need to pull up a tiebreaker, right, Yeah, you need a tiebreaker. Yeah. Show down of the centry against Stephen Clay. Yeah, alright, do you already have a tiebreaker written up? I do. As a reminder, the first time we played, we went into a tiebreaker. The tiebreaker question will be numerical, So whoever is closest or right on the nuts, if you got it, will be declared the winner and get to choose where the hundred dollars is donated. You can all play along, but the only answers that matter are from Steve and Clay. Are you ready? And Clay, remember isn't being supervised right now? Entire research library at his fingertips hands. He's got his kids. They're like working their on computers. They've got encyclopedias out and stuff. That's right, So here we go for all the marbles. What is the average salary of a game? Warden in oh? Y'all can play along, but Clay and Steve are the only ones who are going for the win, So this is gonna be the closest closest to the correct answer will be declared the winner. A getting the question what was the average salary? That's going to change your answers pre cod pre coviden, what was the average sald There's not like going closest. These are not prices right rules prices right is so pretentious, going no, I don't, I don't, I don't know. It doesn't matter what. Yeah, I see Clay, do you in math? He's like figuring out. He's like, well, here's what they make an arkans typing stuff. Now he's explaining to the kids, Clay, do you have an answer? Okay, go ahead and reveal your answers. We have Steve saying forty thou and we have Clay saying what do you have? I'll tell you the other answers in the room. We have Chester saying forty thousand, Rick saying and saying forty three thousand. You guys are all like in the ballpark, the correct answers. Kids, A right man, the the ie. Look what I wrote, scratched it the l you know what, Okay, I'll tell you how I got that answer. I remember one time I was interviewing uh Arkansas game and Phish biologists and my dad always told me not to work for the government because you wouldn't make very much money, like literally, because I wanted to be a game warden at one time, and he was like, nah, you probably only make forty thousand. I referenced that to a gaming Phish employee who looked at me and said, well, we don't we make a little more than that, And so yep, he stayed with the west average game Morden salaries North Carolina, which is forty thousand. Stay with you. Stay with the highest average game mordan salary is Illinois at eight thousand. To go work in Illinois. What a discrepancy man, because nobody wants to live in Illinois. Sorry, I think I said the average it's fifty eight, doesn't change, doesn't change who the money goes to. Yeah, who are you going to? Hey, I'd like to give it to the Western Bear Foundation. Yeah, my friend Joe con Dallas out in uht in, Wyoming, Western Bear Foundation. Good guys, well done, Clay. Yeah again, you need to go enter for this gameaway that starts on October eighteenth, to come play with the crew. Also gonna win a bunch of swag. And then if you have a question you think is good, right into trivia at the Meat Eater dot com. And while you're in there, uh sniffing around and entering to win a chance to come play trivia with us and make a couple of bids on the old auction house of Oodities and the money will go into supporting our land Access Initiative where we do projects to increase and enhance you're hunting and fishing opportunities. Bye Clary

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