00:00:00 Speaker 1: Find something that you really like with fitness, and then just like do that every day. 00:00:04 Speaker 2: Like if it's it's. 00:00:05 Speaker 1: Gonna be impossible for you to keep up with you behave if you're like, oh I hate running, well, dude, guess what, You're not gonna be running much like because you just won't keep at it. Yeah, So I think like just finding something you like and then setting up your life around that, Like and I'm not saying like that the gym has to become your entire life, but I am saying, like, dude, everything like make sure it supports that, like make sure your wife knows. Hey, even if we're on vacation, I'm gonna go find somewhere I'm gonna work out, Like that's just it. I'm gonna get whatever your metric is, Like, I'm gonna get that in today. It's like I'm gonna hit a one hour workout. I think that's your best, like doing a good CrossFit thing like for one hour. That's like your best just generalized fitness, like get it out of the way, and then your food's gonna support that. Everything's gonna support that. So I think those two things. Just find something you love, sticking with it. And then setting up your life to support that thing out here. 00:00:55 Speaker 2: The stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back, Huntry. This is in Pursuit brought to you by Mount Knobs in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. All Right, Nate Illingsworth in the house, Nate, you've give us the timeline of when you like kind of started down the journey of you know, putting out there your kind of story of weight loss and then also using you know, I guess Ultras was kind of the start yep Ultra. You're like full hybrid athlete. Yeah, oh so you're like. 00:01:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a guy that just I get after it pretty much every day more than most people. Hybrid athletes eat crazy hi Vo. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: Two max not very strong. Like, what's your vio too? Have you ever had tested? Have you tested yet? Oh? According to right, Yeah, okay, was it say fifty one on there or something forty eight? Never mind. 00:02:11 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, never mind what it is? Forty seven used to be forty five last. 00:02:16 Speaker 2: Week, but it's gone up garment. Yeah, Garman, So I've done the true via of two Max. 00:02:21 Speaker 1: Okay, where you're on the treadmill at the mask miserable. I bet four times in a year. Wow, I said I'd never do it again. 00:02:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. It's not fun. 00:02:29 Speaker 1: I should go get an actual one. Once my garment hits like sixty five, I'll go get it going. 00:02:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So you kind of like one day you were like, man, I'm tired of this. I want to lose a bunch of weight. Yeah, and get fit. And so what what I've you know, I've I've told you this before, but I mean what I think is cool is like you've done it without any real help and you've just kind of like, all right, I'm gonna do use fitness and I'm gonna do that. Did it was hunting? What kind of started that journey? Is that? What would happen? Like you were like, oh, I got I'm gonna start and try to lose some weight. No, like that wouldn't make sense. 00:03:04 Speaker 1: But I was living in Texas and I lived like next to a Bucki's and I was driving two and a half hours to work every day, so I literally would stop at this BUCkies and get like two oatmelk cream pies and like a monster. And then I started drinking like the sugar monsters. It's just like a downhill path. 00:03:21 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:03:21 Speaker 1: So I got super fat, like I was like three hundred pounds. But I was watching just tons of YouTube and I started watching like people bowhunt elk and I was like, dang, dude, I did like I did some hunting growing up, Like I'm gonna try this bow hunting thing. 00:03:33 Speaker 2: So I got online. 00:03:35 Speaker 1: I was like state with most elk and easiest tags to get, and it was Colorado. So I was like, dang, this is sick, Like this gonna be easy. So I just like bought all the stuff. And I remember thinking like maybe I should do some cardio in prep for this hunt, and then did not, Like I was thinking like hop on the stairstepper. 00:03:53 Speaker 2: Absolutely did not do that. 00:03:54 Speaker 1: So I just went up to Colorado where we hunted just outside of like I don't know how to pronounce the city. 00:04:02 Speaker 2: Named ray Ray. We were in Gunnison when we did our OTC stuff. We were in Gunnisson. I don't. Okay, honestly, I'm not. 00:04:09 Speaker 1: Super I think Ohra is like bottom left of Colorado. So yeah, we went up there, just got absolutely destroyed, and I was like, dang, I really really liked that, but I should like maybe start losing weight because the thing like people don't realize, like you get up to three hundred pounds, you're like, well three hundred pounds, like that's that sucks. But it's like you're on this trajectory like this, cause it's like you don't stop, like you don't just change your lifestyle, and then like all of a sudden plateau, like it just keeps getting worse. And then so I kind of had just realized where I was like, oh, I'm gonna need to like completely change everything to reverse this trajectory that I'm on, and like both of my parents are overweight, Like I've been like fat pretty much my whole life. I've never hit like a spot where I wasn't. So yeah, it was just like a big wake up moment for me. And so I started, uh, honestly like I'm on hunting in September and then didn't do anything about it until December. 00:04:56 Speaker 2: Nice. Yeah, I just can't get start. Waited a second. 00:04:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I had that realization was like, well, we do have a Hawaii trip though, I'm not gonna not eat in Hawaii right now, dude, if you put like Max all in front of me, come on, yeah, absolutely gone, you know. 00:05:11 Speaker 2: So Yeah. 00:05:12 Speaker 1: So then like December, I did like Dan Stayton does the Chub Challenge every year, So I use that kind of like a catalyst to get me going. And then that was twenty twenty two. So going into twenty twenty three, I signed up for a half marathon, did the half marathon thing, and then lost a bunch. 00:05:29 Speaker 2: Of weight that year. 00:05:30 Speaker 1: And then we went through like a big transition in twenty twenty three. We moved from Texas to Idaho. I like started new business that completely flopped, which was awesome, bought a house like just like did like a bunch of change. And then so I remember in twenty twenty four, it was like January twenty twenty four, I met this dude to church and he was like, Hey, me and a bunch of my buddies are thinking about doing an ultra do you want to do this with us? I was like, dude, there's just no way like like I'm two hundred and sixty pounds, Like I'm not doing an ultra, but like I've always wanted to in the back of my mind. And then uh, I think my wife was like, yeah, I don't know if you could do that, and I was like, okay. 00:06:10 Speaker 2: I'll show you. Yes, I like had to so sitting off screen, so yeah, she's just went over there. 00:06:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, so I had like, yeah, I had no choice, but so I did that. The first Ultra was in March, and it was like so painful, like it sucks so bad. And I was two hundred sixty pounds though, because like when you're training for those things, you cannot lose weight. It's it's just impossible. You're hungry all the time. You're running a lot, so you're trying to fuel your runs. And so I did that and then I was like dang. I was like I couldn't believe I did that. But after that, I was like, Okay, I really just need to like lose more weight. So lost more weight, did another Ultra in July of last year, and then yeah, I've just been chipping away at. 00:06:47 Speaker 2: It since then. What are you down to? 00:06:49 Speaker 1: Two? Probably two twenty three right now? Because when I left my house was like two twenty four. 00:06:55 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So you've done a running as was kind of the catalyst, I guess, or the kind of kickstarter, and then you've started adding in what some would call hybrid you know, like doing some bodybuilding and stuff, and then you slowly made the like dark side jump to CrossFit slash you know, functional fitness, high intensity stuff. Yep. I remember. 00:07:15 Speaker 1: So I was working up. I was working out with Dan State in last summer and we did this workout was three rounds of twenty five cows on the assault bike, twenty five front squads with ninety five pounds, and every time you put down the bar you had to do ten burpy box jumpovers. 00:07:31 Speaker 2: And don't put the bar now. 00:07:32 Speaker 1: I well, I tried to do the front squad with ninety five and couldn't, so I had to do just the bar and still put it down. Yeah, And I remember like I was, I was in like round like one point two and Dan was like done, and I was like, holy crap, like that dude moved so well. His cardio is really good, Like there's gotta be something there. So that's like that was like my wake up call where I'm like, oh, I maybe should start doing this cross the thing. But then also the more I thought about it, is like training like a bodybuilder, Like, dude, I'm not ever. 00:07:59 Speaker 2: Sat on stage. Yeah right, it just feels like there's a waste of my time. Right. Yeah. But I think, you know, that's kind of the beauty of CrossFit, I think is they've we've taken what works in every kind of facet of fitness and combined it into one. Right. You know, of course it creates a lot of hate and whatever, but you know, I think it's one of the most efficient ways to train just general general fitness. Obviously, if you're trying to run, you should specialize in run, but you can use CrossFit or you know, functional fitness to kind of supplement that. Yeah, and I think you've done a good job blending that. 00:08:37 Speaker 3: As you're say, each year your fitness progressed, did you also hunt during those years? 00:08:43 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yep? 00:08:44 Speaker 3: What would you say, so basically if you started running, then you started more hybrid, and now if you're doing more CrossFit, Like, what would be the difference training those styles compared to the woods each year? 00:08:56 Speaker 1: I think so obviously, like you need like capacity to hunt but I think like for the average person, like if you have all data to work out, like yeah, dude, like throw in some long runs, like do a lot of zone too, like get your body ready to handle like the volume of hunting, especially if you're not good at hunting, because like Dudere's days, we're all cover seventeen miles and not see a single freaking thing. Then they're like then there, It's like, yeah, you got to like be able to do that though, and wake up tomorrow and do the same thing, so you have the capacity. But if you're like an average dude who doesn't have the time to do that and you've got like an hour a day, I think crossfits like basically the only thing you can do because you can you're still working out at high intensity and being able to like push that you're developing like a greater capacity to be able to handle everything. I mean, that's like the whole point of CrossFit, right, So I don't know, I think like there's a lot of and it's just all legs and lungs in the mountains, Like you got to be able to get your heart rate up and then recover, and then your legs have to be able to handle that volume. 00:09:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think that's a great way to put it. And I think yeah, once, you know, depending on time of the year, we'll we'll structure some stuff. But like you know, off season, we want to get people as strong as we can because yeah, as season gets closer, we are going to start adding in some of those longer time domains or just different longer intervals, and then yeah, you've got to be able to like, if you have the the baseline of hey, I can walk with you know, twenty thirty pounds, you know, ten miles a day, it's really not that hard. Now add in some ascent and some steep climb, then you get the leg burn. But usually you know, you're doing that for fifteen twenty minutes, yeap, hanging out for a little bit, and then you may go fifteen twenty minutes and doing the same things. So to me, what is that That's exactly what we train in some type of CrossFit. You know, like we did a couple three sets of a probably a six minute interval, you'd rest for four minutes and then you know you can you can create some really good fitness and really good capacity in that. So all right, So walk us through kind of the hunting journey. You know we talk the fitness now along with that, you've gone elk a lot yep, yeah, us, Yeah, I've. 00:11:05 Speaker 1: Done a lot of hunting, killed not a lot of animals. So yeah, I like I feel I would say I'm getting better every year, but I'm not. It's pretty much like it's pretty much not have you gone all di y though? 00:11:20 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: I mean if someone like wanted to reach out and like say, hey, man, like come to my. 00:11:26 Speaker 2: Place, we can make that happen. I'll do that. 00:11:28 Speaker 1: Dude, I don't have any I know, I'm not a prideful guy. I don't have a huge ego. Like no, yeah, so you're one that archery all kind of was in Colorado, saw some elk on private land that was it uh not like and it wasn't like woods private land. 00:11:45 Speaker 2: It was like I drove by an aagfield. I was like, there's a spot there they are. 00:11:49 Speaker 1: So year two I hunted in Oregon and we got on some elk. My buddy like was like, hey, dude, I've been having some some success over here. We got on some milk, had a ball come into like eighty yards. I can only see like neck up. And then last year I hunted in Idaho did not see anything. Was pretty frustrated, and then I was like, wait, maybe I'm hunting the wrong areas. So I was like, it was like September sixteenth, and I'm watching videos about like how to find elk. 00:12:19 Speaker 2: Like then I was like watching this video. 00:12:22 Speaker 1: That go Hunt did about eat scouting, and I was like, oh, oh okay, maybe I'm gonna start searching for some of these areas. And I was like looking on my map for like cheap stuff that was like and then flattened at top with water in the middle. 00:12:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:12:33 Speaker 1: And then I started hunting those areas and seem way more sign and then I saw a calf, so I was like, dang, I gotta be clothed, but did not seal the deal. We got on a bowl the last day. I have this buddy Brandon Dude. It's crazy. This guy is like the elk whisper of finding elk. Never killed one, really, oh no, but he was like every year he's around elk. 00:12:52 Speaker 2: It was so funny. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: He was like, we hunted this spot and he's like, man, this spot sucks. I'm gonna go find something somewhere else I'll text you for anything. Shoots a deer and then text me. He's like, do there's elk everywhere? So we went in there and there was it was it was sick. We got on this bowl. But then we just like couldn't get him to come out, like he never saw him. And then on the way back to the truck saw him. So we're gonna go back in there that night, but then the four Service closed it down. That was like the last day. 00:13:16 Speaker 2: So I would say this year, though, I'm feeling really good, real positive. Yeah, I'm gonna change up some stuff though. I hunt. So everything I've. 00:13:24 Speaker 1: Hunted has been like like really thick stuff where it's like you're not glassing at all. 00:13:31 Speaker 2: So I'm not gonna do that anymore. I'm gonna go hunt open. 00:13:33 Speaker 1: Country where I can glass, I can kind of see some stuff, and then I'm hoping that that will Like that's gotta work, dude. 00:13:41 Speaker 2: All no man, with what we learned last year, going with Noah calling, really, you know, it's such a game changer, especially that time of season in September. Man, that's all he does is he just goes around and calls, goes around and calls. If he doesn't hear anything like googles yep. And once once you get something fired up, yeah, then you'll start to play that game of like we did. Just he did a ton of calf call, a ton of raking, and those were the two main things that really called. You know, the bull that I killed, That's what we did. He did a bugle a little bit of him, but the main thing to get him a kind of calf call and rake. But but the locating bugle was it was eye opening for me to where, you know, we've never really done that. I never really trusted myself doing it. Yeah, but now I see the like there's a huge like why wouldn't you you know, like if they're going to be that vocal. I mean we must have like probably four or five different bowls that we interacted with and then tried to make plays on just off of bugles. Yeah, I should probably put more effort into calling. 00:14:49 Speaker 1: I'm pretty middle of the road, like I'm not bad, ye, but I probably should put more effort in but things that make sense, like I just haven't. 00:14:56 Speaker 2: Done that yet. Yeah. No, I mean I'm the same way. I'm more of the like two st I burned. I want to try and figure it out and screwed up my way, which we just got super lucky that first year or that first year that year that we finally killed. Maybe it took me four trips to do that. So but I that's one thing that I took away from last season was calling and then also just knowing kind of path right you know where like you're saying, like e scouting or like even just when you see a bowl and you see him moving and he's not coming to you, how can you try to cut them off? Obviously with wind and that type of thing, but like using natural features like a saddle or whatever is also huge. 00:15:32 Speaker 4: Plus all that stuff. Joel said, Oh yeah, Joels. 00:15:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, Joel Turner, Yeah, when that podcast comes out. Yeah, like he what are you calling fifty three bowls two years ago in like thirty eight last year? That's crazy? People just have him come call in animals for him? Is he like for hire or what? I know? Right? Yes? Okay? What's his price? Okay? Is uh? 00:15:53 Speaker 1: I think I could take out like a home equity loan or something like line of credit. You have to have home equity built up before you take that. 00:16:00 Speaker 4: I believe. 00:16:01 Speaker 2: So that's that's necessary that it is a part of it. So what what's on the horizon fitness wise? What do you got that you're you said you another Ultra you want to do? 00:16:10 Speaker 5: Yeah? 00:16:10 Speaker 2: Six hour mountain bike race coming up? 00:16:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, six hours tomorrow or day after tomorrow. Yeah, Friday, I rode a bike the other day I broke out. I got this bike that I used to use on my mission. I broke it out the other day and wrote it for thirty minutes. So I feel like I'm pretty prepared for six hour Rais's good, it should be good. Saddle time basically zero good, So that'll be good. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:16:34 Speaker 1: So I was gonna run an Ultra this summer, but I have an achilles tendonitis thing, which is. 00:16:38 Speaker 2: Like a real issue. It's like not Madison stuff. 00:16:42 Speaker 1: I I haven't seen a doctor about it, but it is real. It's not a fake. 00:16:45 Speaker 2: No Achilles tenn and nights. It's not fun. So I ran an Ultra in April. 00:16:50 Speaker 1: I did a high Rocks in March, and I wasn't really running that much going into that, and then I did an Ultra like a month after that high Rocks, and I think because I didn't do much running going into both of those. It kind of blew up my achilles. So I've been dealing with that since. So I'm like still running, but my volume is just way lower. So there's just no way I could do another ultra and not like rupture and achilles. Right, So I've got a CrossFit comp in August that I'm gonna do. 00:17:18 Speaker 2: Is that one Spokane, Washington individual or that an individual? One individual? Ring? 00:17:23 Speaker 1: An individual r X no scaled, yeah, super scaled, Nah, yeah you got the skills. No, No, there's like because it's that one's weird because like I was looking at the divisions and it's like our X is like thirty five or scaled is like thirty five pound dumbbells. 00:17:41 Speaker 2: Push ups like it's like easy, it's like very It's like there's no middle. 00:17:46 Speaker 1: And then it goes from that to like you need to be able to handstand walk thirty feet And I'm. 00:17:49 Speaker 2: Like, bro, what we'll work on that. We got three days, four days, we can help you. 00:17:54 Speaker 1: I've never tried to get on my hands because I'm worried about it dislocating. 00:17:57 Speaker 2: My shoulder even on like a handstand push up. 00:17:59 Speaker 1: You ever tried, No, I've never done one of those I've never tried. 00:18:02 Speaker 2: We're gonna get you on that. 00:18:03 Speaker 1: So yeah, that and then in October I'm doing another CrossFit comp. That one's a partner, and then I'm doing high Rocks in November and then high Rocks in December. 00:18:15 Speaker 2: Oh, you're full in the high Rocks, eh. I just think it's gonna be easy. You had fun. Yeah. Hunting wise, what's. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: Hunting we've got? Let's see, I drew a deer tag in Idaho. I can't figure out if it's a good one or not, though I keep getting like mixed information from people. Some people be like that tag sucks and other people are like, dude, that's great tag. So I don't know if I should be excited for that one or not. Its excited if you're hunting. 00:18:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. So deer tag. 00:18:41 Speaker 1: That opens August fifteenth, so it's pretty early o wow. And then I'm elk hunting in Idaho, elk hunting in Colorado. And then my wife just started shooting a bow better than you heard. She I wouldn't say that, but she's like, can the student really ever get better than the mast? 00:19:00 Speaker 2: That's the question. I don't know. 00:19:04 Speaker 1: We'll see, right, So she doesn't think that she'll be ready, but I think we're gonna get her her first archery, especially like a dough. It's like so easy to go out and get on the deer. Last year, Yeah, she killed a really nice buck. Yeah it was bigger than anything I've ever killed. But that again is like who found the deer, her cousin, not me. 00:19:24 Speaker 2: That was cool. That was really fun to get her first. 00:19:26 Speaker 1: But yeah, so yeah, so she'll shoot a deer and then she might all hunt. I don't know it would be with the rifle if she does. Yeah, yeah along the way too. I'd like to kill a bear. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: I've never shot one of those. 00:19:36 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take a gun with me while I'm archerie hunting this year, and then if I see bar, I'm just gonna shoot it. I didn't have a gun last year. I had a barrow like one hundred and fifty. It was just standing there. Yep, I could have easily shot. Is that legal? I called fishing Game and I asked them, if you. 00:19:50 Speaker 2: Can, I don't want to. We don't want any part of any illegal activity. No. 00:19:54 Speaker 1: Last year, because I had that app and I called fishing Game and I was like Hey, can I carry a rifle while I'm bow hunting four bears? And said, yeah, you might get stopped. You don't have to explain it and have all the tags and everything on you. 00:20:04 Speaker 2: But you can do that. You can do that all right here because here there's a a fall turkey season. You can kill with archery or shotgun. But you can't carry a shotgun and be hunting. You can't carry both because you get you to deer slash turkey. 00:20:21 Speaker 1: So that makes sense. Yeah, at least if that's a fishing game. 00:20:23 Speaker 2: Dude told me, so you should recorded him. I should have that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to. You don't want any run ins with him. That's not fun. All right. So you got the Achilles thing? What other kind of rope, Like, I guess things that you've kind of come up against while you're training and like started the fitness, you know, because everybody's worried of like, oh across if it's dangerous. You know, it sounds like your injury is more from overuse of running than it is from crossfits. So like, well, any you have any other nagging things anything that you've kind of. 00:20:58 Speaker 1: No I have, like I have yet to be injured from CrossFit knock on wood, but like, I don't know, I've never felt better. So so the big thing like last year I did a bunch of running and then like bodybuilding type lifting, my mobility sucked. My squat was horrible, like like beyond horrible, like so bad. That is like atrocious, like I wouldn't even call it a squat. But now it's like way better. Yeah, and I feel so much better. That's the thing is like I'm that's That's one thing I love about CrossFit is like you walk in the door and there's all this stuff that people are doing that you can't do. 00:21:36 Speaker 2: So like right now, I'm like working really hard to try to get a muscle up rope climbs. Yeah, rope climbs. You got a bar muscle the other day, right, No one finally saw your video. I'm so close. 00:21:45 Speaker 1: But like it's just fun because it's like the yeah, like pursuing a bar muscle up. Do you ever have to do this? 00:21:51 Speaker 2: No? 00:21:52 Speaker 1: But the fitness you gain from being able to do a bar muscle up is like amazing compared to like, oh I can do two twenty five on bad you know what I mean? Same thing with like snatch, Like do you really need to snatch? 00:22:04 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:22:04 Speaker 1: You could argue like well it's good to put your shoulder in that or whatever, but like the fitness you gain from being able to snatch your body weight is like, I don't know, I think that that's like the true, the. 00:22:14 Speaker 2: Trueblity and mobility all that stuff. Yeah, heck you yeah, you know that's something we battle all the time. It's like, oh, it's dangerous, you shouldn't be doing that, blah blah blah. And then you know it is hard at times of you know, adding skills in where you know, if we're trying, like that's where a good coach or you know, somebody you work out with helps with that of scaling to keep the intensity. So like we did a workout earlier where you and j Web did biker. I was on the echo bike. We all dumbell snatched, you did a rope climb. You know, you were working on the skill wall fatigued, which is you know, a good way to do that. But then in one of the rounds you're like, I'm gonna do toast of bar to keep some intensity there. So you know that's that's kind of the beauty of it where you know, I think a lot of people I guess get intimidated one because it depends on the gym that you go to. Are they you know, do they have good coaches? Can they do those things? Make those things on the fly, because yeah, you don't need to be walking in the door. Like if this was your first crossior workout, I wouldn't have had you even touch the rope, right. We might like after we get done, show you kind of some technique stuff, but we want you to get a similar workout to what we were doing in there. 00:23:23 Speaker 1: And so that's the thing that I love about CrossFit too, is like, yeah, you walk in the door and like everyone's at a different spot. And even like I mean in a typical CrossFit class, there's gonna be like up on the board level one, two, three, four or whatever. And let's say like level like the bottom levels like a twenty pound dumbbell for like a Dumbell snatch or something, and the top one a fifty Well if like Dumbell snatches, something that I can easily do, like I don't have to only do what's prescribed, Like I can like mix things in and like kind of do it whatever I can to still get the same stimulus out of the workout, and then everyone in the class is basically doing the same thing, just at their own individual level. 00:23:58 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I think you know, obviously I'm a bit biased, but I think it's one of the best ways for general population. Obviously. You know, we had Zach Seeler, who's a defensive tackle for the Dolphins, and we did a workout the other day and man, he's just so big and strong. He doesn't need to be doing, like we know, the demands of his sports. So he's like, you know, I'm doing you know, five to six second bursts every thirty or forty five seconds, because you know that's what's gonna happen. And so, you know, being out on the in the woods or in the mountains, I think, you know a lot of grunt work, those types of things. Like off season, you know, we might add in some of those skills, but you know, when it comes down to August, September, October, we're gonna kind of rain in the skills and just do a bunch of grunt work, sand bag stuff, getting your body up and over. Like that workout you guys did last night. Yeah, it was thee hundred carry ten sandbag clean or ten burpy box get over ten sand bag clean ten? 00:24:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then fifteen burpyat box jumps. Oh okay, three times your rest. 00:25:00 Speaker 2: A little bit different than the one we did, but yeah, So, I mean, I think moving your body through space, being able to carry external load, it's huge, you know, like there's this Oh, you just need to do endurance to be ready for the mountains. No, why not get as strong as you can without infecting your inert obviously, like if you're getting so big and strong that it's affecting your mobility, it's too much muscle to carry around. But I don't think you can really ever get too strong if you have some baseline. 00:25:27 Speaker 3: Of like that's what I was gonna say earlier. The stronger you are, the easier it is. Stronger you are, the easier it is. You can train with a twenty thirty pound pack. However, if I can train with a seventy pound pack and it gets easy than a twenty thirty pounds, nothing exactly. 00:25:41 Speaker 1: Well, And there's like a certain like point of like I don't know, there's like a certain give and take right, like like a strong man like you put a strong man on a mountain, maybe he's probably not gonna do walks in them the lungs to go very exactly. 00:25:51 Speaker 2: They don't do that type of training. 00:25:52 Speaker 1: Crossfits like great, yeah, because it's like dude, like if you can the heavier your back squad is versus just like going out and running all the time. Also not going to be that worried going over deadfall. 00:26:03 Speaker 2: Like dude. 00:26:03 Speaker 1: If if you want to find like an injury prone sport, look at running. 00:26:06 Speaker 2: Dude. 00:26:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, how many runners do you know that are in their fifties that are not injured broken? 00:26:10 Speaker 2: None? No, I don't think there's anyone. 00:26:13 Speaker 1: And then like they start, you get the knee braces, like you get everything, which I'm not saying running is not good. Obviously running is good, like it's a I think it's like a foundational human movement. 00:26:21 Speaker 2: Everyone should run. 00:26:22 Speaker 1: But like people throw a ton of shade a CrossFit for getting it hurt and it's like, dude, like. 00:26:27 Speaker 2: Everything onto the highest. I mean, but then also you start looking at you know, if you do anything at a competitive level, that's where injury creeps in. You know, I'm talking to you about my knee. It's trash but I also competed for fifteen years and made my living off that, so it's a little bit different, you know. Like that's what I always tell people that CrossFit is safe, Competing in CrossFit is probably not the safest. Yep. Well it's different too. It's like like the workouts that you're writing in here, you'll never do that in a gym. 00:26:50 Speaker 1: No, But like people look at the games and they're like, oh, that's what CrossFit is. 00:26:55 Speaker 2: Like, dude, go to a class. 00:26:56 Speaker 1: It is never going to be like that, right, Like we were talking yesterday, we're doing burpie getovers and those are never even in a class because you're like, how are you gonna do that? Or like sometimes you'll go to a gym and I'll stack two boxes with a rubber band. 00:27:09 Speaker 2: It's like that's the stuff getting a bad look. Yep. So how what's your what's your weight loss at right now? 00:27:18 Speaker 1: So I'm basically eighty pounds like I was. I was probably a little north of three hundred when I started, and then now I'm like. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: Two competition going on. You're trying to get to two hundred before Cam's guy gets a two hundred opposite, right, Me and my buddy James. 00:27:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's a one ninety two. But the thing is, James and I both struggle with depression pretty bad, and it affects us differently. Like for me, I will go slam a six pack of Crumble cookies in like thirty seconds and like just not care. James switches his diet and like energy drinks and nicotine and so he's just like. 00:27:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. 00:27:51 Speaker 3: So in that you talked about obstacles and like injuries, what about in your journey. I'm sure people listening, for one, head be super hard to start, right, so you're three hundred pounds, just to get started is hard, and I'm sure in those years of also there were things that happened where you like, I'm quitting this, you know what I mean, like the pitfalls there. So even if you could talk about, for one, how'd you do it, you know, to even get started, and then just along the way, it's just different things that happened to you that you're like, dude, I mightna give up. I'm gonna slam this these Crumble cookies. But then you started back again, you know what I mean. 00:28:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, honestly, like two weeks ago or like a month ago or something. I went through this like depressing spell where I was like, like I gain into like probably ten pounds because I was just like I was working out still a bunch, but I was just eating like crap because that's like I don't know, it's like funny, like when you get depressed, you're like, first your first like turn two is like, okay, how can I like self sabotage myself so bad that I just like bury all the progress I've made. So I was just eating pretty bad. That's my biggest thing, is like and I thought if someone posted this the other day and it totally changed, I was like, oh, that's yeah, that's right. Like for a normal person like yeah, you can eat a cookie or like you can go do whatever, like and you just yeah whatever. 00:29:10 Speaker 2: But like for me, it's like I was like a food addict. 00:29:14 Speaker 1: So it's like you wouldn't take like an alcoholic out and be like, hey, dude, just have one beer. But that's like what it's like if you're like a dude who's super fat and then you just like, oh, I'll eat like a few gummy worms and then the bag's gone, and then they're like, oh, I'm gonna go back to the gas station and grab like an oatmeal cream pie. Like that's that's kind of like how it's it's a little bit different. So all I found myself like a couple of times, like I'll go on like a two week bender where it's like whoa dude, what are you doing? And then it's like you have to completely pump the brakes and reset everything. I think the biggest thing for me with all that, though, has been my wife like so like so supportive of everything, but like to the like beyond supportive, like to the point where like as soon as I started losing weight, I was like, Hey, this is like. 00:29:54 Speaker 2: How I'm gonna do it. 00:29:54 Speaker 1: I'm gonna track macros and she was like, Okay, I don't know what that is, but I'm gonna learn about it. And then she like deeped out in macros like she knows more than me now and she's like okay, and then like show meal plan for me on the week. Like I don't cook. She cooks everything. And it's not like hey, what do you want to eat? She'll literally she'll be like what macros do you want for dinner this week? And then she just like makes the food that I need. Like, so like having someone like that like yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I mean nutrition is a huge nutrition support. 00:30:22 Speaker 2: You know. My my problem is I like I'm the opposite. It's like I have a problem. No, no, the fittest guy in the world, not anymore, but like, uh, you know you're talking about the you know you. It's like fitness is that for me? So I like if I don't work out as these guys, it's like bird of'm Mike, when's the last time you worked out? He's like it's been two or three days? You know, my back he goes on regulars. Okay, he's good, back back to good. But like I can't imagine taking more than two days off, Like that's my Like that's you know I don't drink. Yeah, and so I think that's in the last couple of years. I'm like, oh yeah, I definitely have a problem, you know, Like I have an addictive personality hunting is that for me too? Like like if I get into something, like I obsess over it and so yeah, it's it. You don't think about it from my perspective of like that's the same thing of you know, you've got to have that fix or whatever it is, and so nutrition is such a huge part of that. So yeah, speak to like, yeah, was nutrition kind of the first thing that you're like, all right, I'll try to do this to kind of dial back or was it all fitness or were you like both at the same time, because I think a lot of people think, oh I can just some people. I'll throw myself into the camp. I can outwork a poor diet, right, genetically I can do that. Yeah, right, you know, I notice you know where weight sits a little bit different depending as the older I get, like depending on how poorly I eat, and so I'll really exact same as when you're like twenty. It is kind of like that's genetics, right, you know. But if you also look at like a bunch of my cousins and my family, it's very similar. Like it's just what it is. And so but speak let's speak to that of like, hey, this is what I do, because I think there's people out there, definitely people out there that are listening are like, yeah, it's hard to relate with me, Like you're saying, like fittest on Earth that was their title. I want when anybody ask I won the Crossway Games as an individual, and then I won a couple of times on the team, so like like six times on team, So it's hard to relate, I guess. So, like what I think is so cool is people can relate to like, hey, you were three hundred pounds and you you you took those steps and you're like, man, I'm gonna change right, and there are ebbs and flows in that whole journey. And so yeah, so you were talking about macros, like you know, for people who don't know, you've got four grams of four grams of protein, or in a gram of protein you have four calories. In a gram of fat you have nine, and then carbs are four six where it depends on who you talked about four and so you counted those based on your body weight and and have moved forward with that like just counting. 00:33:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to play around with it like like everyone's like I don't know, I get people ask me all the time, like what's the formula? 00:33:07 Speaker 2: How do you figure that out? 00:33:08 Speaker 1: And I mean it's different for everybody, Like, but yeah, I think you you find a base. Like, so what I tell everybody when you're starting, just like don't care about your macros like just go and track every single thing you eat for a week. Do it for a week, and then you know, like, Okay, I eat an average of twenty seven hundred calories a day, and then you can kind of look at what you're eating. You need to hit at least a gram per pound a body weight of protein. But honestly, I've been playing around with eating like way more than that. Like I've been a way to whatever. And it's only lean mass, right, Like you don't need if you weighree hundred pounds, you don't need to eat three hundred grams of protein. Like, get your lean mask scanned if you have one hundred and eighty five pounds of lean mass, like you only really need about one hundred and eighty five grams of protein. I've been eating more than that. I'm feeling a little bit better. I'm recovering a little bit better. So I think everybody's a little bit Yeah. 00:33:54 Speaker 2: Everybody's there. That's the hard part is everybody's just gut is different. Their nutrition's a little bit different. Yep, yeah, I think you know what scan did you do? Do you remember? 00:34:04 Speaker 1: I just didn't embody. I haven't done a dex. I have a dex that when I get back, I'm pretty curious to see that. 00:34:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:34:09 Speaker 1: But when you're I mean, when you're when you're that fat, like it doesn't really matter, Like you know, you get. 00:34:13 Speaker 2: Something super I guess from you can look in a mirror. Yeah, body fat percentish, Yeah, so have you, but you've played around with moving those numbers to see what it does on the scale. Yeah. 00:34:25 Speaker 1: And for me, like I go lower carb just because, like I mean, you gotta think carbs are energy. You have an excess of fat on your body, which is also energy. So if you eat lower carb and lower fat, your body's gonna need to pull that energy from somewhere. So just you don't have to overthink it. Like everyone's like, oh, what about the carnivore diet, what about this? 00:34:42 Speaker 2: What about this? If you work out hard enough, the carnivore die should like not even be an option for it. Yeah, that's you know. We talked to Brian call was he does the carnivore Yeah. He said he can usually only do about three CrossFit workouts a week and then the other ones have to be kind of long slow yep, because he just can't do it, you know, because you can't recover from it. Yeah, So for reference mine when I was competing, and I stick to kind of close ish to this, but I eyeball it. I'm not like super strict, usually about one hundred grams of fat, two hundred grams of protein, and then my carbs is We're all kind of like depending on you know, Leadville. The last couple of years, I was like four or five hundred grams of carbs. Yeah, and then now I'm like probably three hundred dish. But you know, I that's kind of the my operating and my problem was or is that I'll get too busy and not eat, and so like these guys get mad at times because I'll just forget to eat if I'm busy, I don't think about it right, and then I'll just pound a ton of food at night, which is not healthy either. 00:35:37 Speaker 4: So you eat way more now than. 00:35:38 Speaker 2: What Yeah, I'm I try. I try to like be deliberate about eating because what I noticed, if I don't eat, that's why my body gets so run down. You know, I start getting hurt or I don't sleep well. Sure to share there. 00:35:56 Speaker 3: I was actually thinking when you were talking, even like people who are trying to lose weight, and I can. It matters like the culture you're in, so like me, I'm from Louisiana. Culture there is driven by food, so like if you're doing something with people, you're like eating good, Like people are coming to the party figuring out who can outcook each other, right, and it's like the worst food possible. And now moving here, it's funny because even last night, like we worked out and then I wasn't gonna go. We actually went to dinner after, but at first I wasn't and I called my wife Micah, and she was like, are you going to dinner with him? 00:36:34 Speaker 4: I was like no. 00:36:35 Speaker 3: She's like, that's super weird because where we're from that's what you do. And I was like, well, but now we did work out together, so the culture, the culture is completely different, you know what I mean. And even living here, there's not a ton of restaurants compared to Louisiana either, so like I would rather just eat at home. So like my diet now, like I pretty much eat now percent probably a processed foods. So I've tried to cut all that out. Yeah, especially because I'm so old. 00:37:04 Speaker 2: We're getting old and you're having weird like skin issues. 00:37:06 Speaker 4: And blood pressure, blood pressure, high blood pressure. Blood pressures actually went down there. 00:37:13 Speaker 3: So with that though, like it's eat that stuff is easier here than back home, So I couldn't imagine like even somebody like you, like that's tough for somebody to do from Louisiana, you. 00:37:23 Speaker 1: Know what I mean, Like we lived in Texas, Like same thing there, dude, Like no one cooked, like everybody just eats out every night. 00:37:28 Speaker 2: But I think you just like and you can still do that. You just gotta be smart about it. 00:37:31 Speaker 1: Like and I don't know, I didn't do this last night, eight probably like four baskets rolls last night. But like if like if you're gonna go to Texas Roadhouse, like just like order different like don't order a Ribbi, order a cirtline, like order chicken, you know what I mean? Like just if you if you make like some smart super Texas Roadhouse, don't order chicken. Though I did that the other day. Yeah. 00:37:51 Speaker 2: The thing is like. 00:37:53 Speaker 4: We really just went to see the mural there. 00:37:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, rich running on the mural Texas Roadhouse. 00:37:58 Speaker 2: That's awesome. 00:38:00 Speaker 4: I wish that's when you know you've made it. 00:38:02 Speaker 2: You know, my town kids. 00:38:03 Speaker 1: I think it's awesome, but oh, I think it's awesome. The town I grew up in, no Texas roadhouse, Like it's small. It kind of like it sucks a little bit, but I could never make it on a mural of Texas roadhouse because there's not even a roadhouse to get on in my own town. 00:38:16 Speaker 2: So don't sell yourself short. Maybe they'll build one they want, But. 00:38:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think like and and that that's that is one thing that is like frustrating when you go down this Journey's like you'll go to something and people be like, dude, eat some cake and you're like, no, I don't want to eat. 00:38:30 Speaker 2: And then you're like a weird guy. 00:38:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, like eat the cake and you're like, dude, I don't want and then you're like you have to do this thing. 00:38:35 Speaker 2: Oh should I eat the cake? Like should not? 00:38:37 Speaker 1: So it's like that sucks, But like that's just one of the things you got to know that you're going to be in for. And there's there's definitely a room for that too. Like it's a little bit different. I think some people approach like extended weight loss, like it's like a cut for a bodybuilding show and it's like dude, that's it's different because those guys like you got sixteen week cycle and then you're done and then you go back to whatever you hit, like a bulk or eating forty five hundred calories a day. It's a lot different where you've got one hundred pounds to lose and it's gonna take you a year, year and a half, two years to do that. Like, it's it's just a different mindset. So you have to have some room for that other. 00:39:06 Speaker 3: So you said, like the one practical way you order different? Yeah, is there other things you've done along the way, just super practical. 00:39:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like our house, Like we don't have crap in the house because if we do all eat it. Like we wanted to get some s'mores the other night because we we're just craving smores. And then I like tank the whole bag of marshmallows. My wife was like, where are those go? And I was like, I don't even like marshmallows, dude, but I do. 00:39:29 Speaker 2: Now you eat them all, they're gone. Yeah, exactly. 00:39:33 Speaker 1: So we just like don't we don't buy chips, Like, we don't buy like crap like all of our food. 00:39:37 Speaker 2: Crackers, Uh, we do see video that crackers. 00:39:43 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Katie freaking will buy crackers. Hillary will do the same thing with food and she'll be like so frustrated. Yeah, she'll be like that's mine. Yeah, and you're like, dude, how am I? It's like, well you can't eat some? And they're like, okay, I did I eat some? Then I ate some more and then I finished it off like just it's costco By two boxes. 00:40:02 Speaker 2: Last year exactly. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: So we're pretty like, I don't know, we're pretty cautious, even though the crackers that ate the whole box of we're simple mills, looten free, no seed oil, no seed oil, no seed oils. 00:40:14 Speaker 2: Oh man dead Kennedy approved, or yeah, Bob Kennedy approved. 00:40:19 Speaker 1: The reason I sprayed my yard with round up, So he didn't. 00:40:22 Speaker 2: He made up for it. He made up for it, balanced it out. 00:40:24 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, I just think like what you have, like a lot of our food is like we have to make it. Like we were like a really meat heavy household, Like you just have like a lot of meat. So like if you have if you do want to snack, like you opened the Frisoners like chicken that's made just eat stuff like. 00:40:38 Speaker 2: That that's awesome. Yeah, I mean that's the. 00:40:43 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:40:44 Speaker 3: Uh talking about scaring people away from CrossFit. 00:40:47 Speaker 2: So you do go to a CrossFit gym? 00:40:50 Speaker 4: Super nice and clean? 00:40:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, that probably best gym in the country, dude. Yeah, super nice and clean. Ever you've seen the videos. It's clean. 00:40:56 Speaker 1: You could eat off the dude's floor, Like I'm not kidding you, Like I've been to some gyms where you do lunge it then your knees are black. 00:41:01 Speaker 2: This guy's Jim Arns like that clean dude. 00:41:04 Speaker 3: But you're saying how some people may be turned off from that style of workout. You guys actually did a Mayhem Hunt workout a few weeks ago. Yep, how would you say that differed from even a class perspective than just a typical traditional dude? 00:41:18 Speaker 2: That was awesome. So I have a buddy that came. 00:41:21 Speaker 1: He has like worse achilles tendonitis than me, and his he like tours patell attendon like recently, like really recently. He's still in rehab for it. And he did the same workout I did. Like it was is awesome because and you can scale everything, like right, I was using one hundred pounds sandbag. He was using a fifty sometimes and then would just switch out to like just doing bodyweight. Yeah, but it was like, but it was awesome. And then he came up to me after him was like, dude, I loved that. Like I pushed myself so hard, like way harder than I've been pushing myself in my gym. So it was really cool to see, like, oh he can be broken. Sorry, I got really distracted, so that broke this thing. 00:42:01 Speaker 2: Where were you? 00:42:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, so jim My buddy. Yeah, but it was just awesome because he was able to do that. But even that, like, yeah, it was a little bit different because we just it was a sandbag and a box and that gave us like just an awesome stimulus, which, like with Mayhem hunt is cool because you can Mayhem Hunts like a super easy program to follow because everyone can do it right. There's nothing that's going to show up that you're intimidated by that you can't do. 00:42:25 Speaker 2: The skills are pretty low. 00:42:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, even if you want to talk about just like the different how it it is different than even like what we do with it. 00:42:33 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, No, I think everybody sees when they see the Mayhem Hunts stuff, they think, oh, it's just CrossFit, and yes there's some principles in there, but a lot of the skill is removed, a lot of it's mostly just grunt worky, a lot of push ups, a lot of pull ups, body weight stuff, but then external awkward loads, a lot of dumbbell stuff, a lot of sandbag stuff getting up and over. You know, we've tried to prioritize either the intensity or even muscle endurance if you're doing some of the upper body stuff. But it's you know, Angela has done a really good job. Obviously there's a ruck that we did, a ruck progression, so that that's good. You know, it's really just we've taken CrossFit, but we kind of know the demands of what we're trying to get into. So there isn't a ton of snatching. There isn't a ton of you you'll see a barbell clean and stuff in there, but you're not gonna see muscle ups a ton. You're not gonna see anything that's really gonna slow you down from a skill perspective. It mays slow you down from a fitness perspective. So Angelo has done a really good job that you know, I think, you know, people would say well, why are you doing the upper body stuff? But I think the upper body stuff is just as important to protect yourself from falls. If you are carrying a bow or drawing a bow or carrying a rifle, those types of things will only be helped by being stronger and being fitter. You're just gonna not work out, right. Everybody wants to look good with their shirt off, right, Well, not on that. It's like what you do, like freaking squats every right, I can't. 00:44:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and there was probably last year I because of my shoulder, I stopped doing. 00:44:07 Speaker 1: I did less always have injury or Yeah, I'm forty four, so wow, I didn't know what people that old still like we're around, dude, Yeah they are. 00:44:16 Speaker 3: But as far as like snatches even maybe overhead squads, I stopped doing those things for a little while, and I could tell my shoulder mobility, mobility. 00:44:26 Speaker 2: Goes away way worse. Yeah, it goes away. 00:44:28 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm a pretty flexible person. 00:44:30 Speaker 2: You are even best air squad on the planet. 00:44:32 Speaker 3: And even my shoulders I could get used to get back pretty good. 00:44:35 Speaker 4: But when I stopped using those movements. 00:44:38 Speaker 2: I mean even me doing the mountain biking stuff. The last two years, like my front rack went to trash, my squad went bad because I just wasn't doing a ton of that because I was so focused on just you know, getting in one hundred miles or being ready for one hundred mile race. So I mean there's just give and take to a lot of it. And if you know, the big thing is mobility, stability within that mobility, and then we want to create strength within all those So uh, you know, I think Angelo does a good job with that programming it. I mean it is at times, you know, he'll take stuff that we've done and change it up a little bit. Like you might see a version of what we did this morning. I mean it's a pretty good hunt workout. Yeah, based on what we we did this morning, both of those workouts, all three of them if you count the clean. Yeah, so we did a lot of PI artists clean this morning. Yeah. 00:45:18 Speaker 1: I did prre McLean two thirty five pretty close, getting too forty five. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: I think he'll yeah to snatch last night, tried to did not. Yeah you didn't have a coach there though, did you. No, Bird sucked to coach. 00:45:31 Speaker 4: I just let him go, Yeah, just go bird. 00:45:34 Speaker 2: Uh yeah, Bird, you don't really have a coaching background, so I came here to get better. So far it's all I have done. 00:45:41 Speaker 4: I mean, I did my snatches and then just let him do you. 00:45:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, no like critique, No try to help, would you guys? Snatch one? H one? Nice? 00:45:49 Speaker 4: I just didn't want full. 00:45:50 Speaker 2: Or power power yeah power, no full for me for you. Yeah. I didn't have my only shoes. Holy Ali, he says all the shoes, and I was like the Olympics or the shoes. Yeah. Ever realized it sounded like an idiot for the last couple of months. No, it's probably fifty to fifty split. People say all you're only okay. Yeah. I don't think there's like. 00:46:11 Speaker 1: A I think if there's someone that should be like a governing force on what you. 00:46:14 Speaker 2: Can say, it might be you. M just don't say box okay, say box, don't say wad okay ever yeah, or wads? Yeah, don't ever say that. 00:46:25 Speaker 1: There's a guy online and he always posts wads and it grosses me out. 00:46:31 Speaker 2: I hate a rapp No, no, I hate mom. 00:46:35 Speaker 1: You actually told me like maybe two hours ago to start doing moms. So did I just do that? There was some inconsistency. There can I ask you a question. Yeah, you Frasier Prime who. 00:46:49 Speaker 2: I don't know, if we'll never know the world. 00:46:51 Speaker 4: There's a AI stimulation about it. 00:46:54 Speaker 3: I thought, is ever somebody somebody put together like the stats. 00:46:58 Speaker 2: Who won praisers a better runner than me and his. 00:47:03 Speaker 4: Frasier won some of them, but he didn't win all of them. 00:47:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it was different. We were just different times, different athletes. You know, specialization and stuff came in about the time that he kind of took off, you know, like Henshaw came in and I started working with Hinshaw when I was on a team. So I think, you know, if I had had that background earlier of like having help with running, it was like my achilles o pun intended. You know, like swimming was really bad for me for a while, and I got a swim coach and got really a lot better at that, and so you know, it's just tough, you know, like it's just different, different times. Who knows. But Matt's a great competitor and obviously you know one five times, so he has more individual titles than me. So numbers don't lie. Numbers don't lie. 00:47:50 Speaker 4: True championships, championships, Jordan and Lebron. 00:47:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I get it, Scott, what do you got anything, producer, Scott. 00:48:02 Speaker 5: I wanted to hear from Nate on how he went from being, as he said, fat to becoming a fitness influencer. Oh yeah, So, like where does the journey start with? Like creating common? 00:48:13 Speaker 4: What makes you? When do I get the where's the line? 00:48:16 Speaker 2: That you are? One? Yeah? 00:48:17 Speaker 5: And you start actually getting followers, probably because if you're just posting videos and no one's ever watching them. 00:48:24 Speaker 2: You're just the number? 00:48:25 Speaker 4: What's the number? 00:48:26 Speaker 2: Yeah? Are you like, are you like what number do I have to hit? I think you're there. I think you're there. But no, are you a like memes or comedy or are you like influential? No, like you have a nit niche a niche? 00:48:41 Speaker 1: No, I pretty much I would not say I'm influential. 00:48:43 Speaker 2: MM, so you're I mean two hundred eighty eight or one hundred and eighty eight thousands pretty influential? No, I don't thin, because like it. 00:48:52 Speaker 1: To be influentially you have to be like inspirational, I think, or like have like some sort of authority on something, which I don't. I think graduate college should finish some time. I think uh so, yeah, So what happened was I had posted some videos. 00:49:06 Speaker 2: A while back that sucked. 00:49:08 Speaker 1: And it would be like me running with like a doors song and I was like, so sick, dude, or like me shooting my bow like you can't even see the target or anything, like the video is not clear, and I'd be like, dude, it's so sick. 00:49:22 Speaker 2: And then my wife was. 00:49:22 Speaker 1: Always like, dude, videos are not good, Like why do you post this? Like maybe make like put more effort into effort. 00:49:29 Speaker 4: And I was like this was just out the random. 00:49:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, well I was living in Austin and like or outside of. 00:49:36 Speaker 4: Just your phone, your family followed you. 00:49:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had seven hundred followers. Well it's people I met, you know, you meet people along the way follow like follow, bro, you pick up some friends along the way that drop the follow. 00:49:52 Speaker 2: So anyway, yeah, I'm like. 00:49:53 Speaker 1: Posting some stuff that just sucks and then uh I uh which anyway, So I'm. 00:50:00 Speaker 2: Running this ultra marathon, my first one I. 00:50:02 Speaker 1: Did, and I like pull out my phone and I was just pissed off because there was this like eight mile uphill stretch and it was in Moai, Utah. The sun is just beating down on us. It's hot, and I. 00:50:14 Speaker 2: Pull out my phone and I. 00:50:15 Speaker 1: Was like, if you're fat, skip the half marathon, skip the road marathon, just go straight to the ultra. I'm eating waffles, I'm walking like other people are walking. 00:50:25 Speaker 2: Everybody walked, and that video like did well. 00:50:27 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so if I'm just myself, like I've never taken anything in life seriously, and so I was like, maybe I should just be myself on here, and then I did and my wife was like, I've been telling you to do this. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: Like from the beginning. Yeah, And I was like, dang, it's sick, Katie. Yeah. The reason you're here, the reason I'm here, do. 00:50:45 Speaker 3: You think too, just like the humor side of it probably helped you along the way, you know what I mean, Like to lose weight just to like play light of some things that may be like super heavy. 00:50:56 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think so, like super heavy in the sense fat. Sorry, yeah, I think, like I don't know. You kind of have to laugh at it because it's like, dude, you lose eighty pounds, like you'd think that you'd be stoked about that. But then I look in the mirror and I'm like, holy grab dude, how do you lose eighty pounds and you're still fat? Like you have to like laugh about some stuff because if you don't, you'll just like drive your car off a bridge or something like or like, yeah, I mean you like, I've tried so hard to like work out and then you come work out with other people and you're like, oh my gosh, dude, I'm gonna quit. Like, no, you have to have a sense of humor. 00:51:32 Speaker 2: I'm trying to go back to some of your early stuff to see that the ones that suck, Nah, yeah, they are really bad. No, man, I think I think it says a lot to like eighty pounds is a big deal, you know, and to do it kind of you know, just by doing fitness and telling people it's real. You know, Like it's hard for me at times to like, you know, tell people because they're like, yeah, right, Like that's what you do for your job. It's what you're doing done for the last fifteen or two years, and you know, I obviously it can inspire some but what your story does is like people can relate to that man, and you know, like the ebbs and flows of it and like it's awesome. Yeah, it's cool. 00:52:12 Speaker 1: Like I'll get like messages people are like like yeah, they say the exact thing, like dude, like I'm right there, like I was this, now I'm this. I'm still trying, and it's like, yeah, I don't know, it's kind of cool. Like I was never trying to be like inspirational or like inspire people like I'm not. 00:52:26 Speaker 2: But I think that's what's cool about it, right, you know, Like some people think, oh, I'm gonna go out and do this, and like I that doesn't you know, like doesn't do anything for me. But I think, you know, just setting out and being you and and like being real about it and also having some humor with it, because that's what's needed. I think nowadays, like we know we were talking kind of. 00:52:43 Speaker 1: Did everyone takes themselves just so seriously, and especially in the hunting world, it's like, dude, it's every state. Dude, Like you have crossits the exact same. 00:52:51 Speaker 2: So you have. And now that I've done CrossFit hunting and mountain biking, ninety percent of the community is awesome. And then ten turds and they're the loudest ones. 00:53:03 Speaker 1: Yep, you know, And that's the thing is, like I think everyone can relate to that, like and that's what I found, like fitness hunt, You're right, like that's the that's the majority. 00:53:10 Speaker 2: But it's like a few people that are the visible people. 00:53:13 Speaker 1: It's like, dude, that's not how like real people just like I don't know for a hunting especially did I start hunting when I was a kid because it was fun and that's what my dad did and we had fun. Every time was fun. And now it's like got to be this thing where like every like oh, what what's the new bow this year? 00:53:28 Speaker 2: You kill? Yeah? Yeah, where are you out hunting? How many ELK tags? You? Guy? 00:53:31 Speaker 1: It's like, dude, get one, Like if you're a normal dude, get one, get one. 00:53:34 Speaker 2: Go on a trip. Yeah, go find a guide, Like oh it's too easy with a guide. So learn if you ever want to go di y like learn, Why would you not learn from people that do it on the regular, you know. 00:53:47 Speaker 1: Like I'm I'll have two ELK tags this year, but like I'm trying to get paid to hunt, Like that's like my goal is like I want to make money from hunting. 00:53:54 Speaker 2: So yeah, I'm not more than right, Yeah. 00:53:57 Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to do. But if I was like, well, like when I was a normal like not trying to get paid to hunt. Dude, I have one ELK tag, that was it, one Elk tag and that was awesome. I never filled that one, but I got to. 00:54:09 Speaker 2: Go out around in the woods, you know. 00:54:12 Speaker 3: And then if just normal people say, if they live out east, why not go with a guy? Yeah, I mean that's impossible to go d I y you know what I mean? Were you only realistically you may only have four or five hunting days because you only have a certain amount of time to take off work travel. 00:54:31 Speaker 4: You have travel days. So if you have four days, I mean. 00:54:35 Speaker 1: You found the ones that in the beginning, you found the one that, please don't I'm going to listen to them and watch them after. I really hope you don't actually do this one right here is good? Which one the red top? 00:54:45 Speaker 2: Right? That one's good of that one, We're done. That's a good one. Dude. 00:54:49 Speaker 1: I was out last year and I heard this elk and I was like, ship, that's close, and I like started going over to this elk and I got close and I was like, dude, it's like this is awesome, and I'm like a I'm about to shoot this thing. And I come around and it's this old hunter and he's like I sit there start talking to him and he was like, yeah, I'm from from back back in Michigan and come out here every year, every year, same unit, twenty years. And I was like, really, man, that is awesome. You've been coming here for twenty years. I mean, elk of you killed? And he gets so serious and he goes, not. 00:55:26 Speaker 2: One, Oh brother, why did you go to a different unit? 00:55:31 Speaker 4: Like he could have got some points by now. 00:55:35 Speaker 1: I know, And I'm like dude, and he was like, yeah, this year's actually pretty expensive eyear for me because my truck blew up on the way out here. But wasn't gonna let that stop me. A bought a new pickup, came still game and I was like, dude, twenty years of the same unit. You have shot a single elk and that unit sucks though, Like it's not a great unit, dude, Like I bought that tag, shouldn't. 00:55:57 Speaker 2: Have Like twenty years. I thought we were gonna give it up. After what Forest got. We went to Gunnison. We go gun us in three years and then we went to Route and I had to we had to change it up yea. So I was like, if we don't change up at least what it looks like, because I mean we did see some milk and we were in some a couple of different times. But dude, I was mentally, I'm like, I can't walk these hills in these these same mountains and not you know, be in them and did that like. 00:56:26 Speaker 1: Last year that was like my nail in the coffin. Dude, like three years of like thick stuff, Like I was like, okay, I'm out, Like, yep, I hate this. I hate that, like things aren't vocal because everyone's calling to them. 00:56:40 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:56:40 Speaker 1: Everyone is like on side by sides, ripping up the roads and I can't see anything. 00:56:44 Speaker 2: I'm done. Well, man, you just learned so much from people that have done it, so why would you like, yeah, we've learned a good amount from guides, but going with Noah and Joe last year, man, that was like eye opening and game changing of learning that. So yeah, yeah, it's just like why would you not to learn from somebody else? You know, I'm not too proud to do it. You know, we had a buddy that old old Duds, you know, Odds Jeff Dodds and we went with him the first couple of years and we learned some from him. But man, it's just like going by yourself cold turkey. I can't imagine. 00:57:16 Speaker 1: Well, it's like, dude, I like I consume a lot of content of like people because I'm like really trying to learn, and like I think one as far as like hunting influencers go, I think like one of the best is Dan Stayton, like as far as like like that dude, like drop him off in the woods. He's gonna kill elk, Like he always hunts public land, but he doesn't hunt anything that's freaking like North Idaho like timber, like dense timber hunts open country. And that's like, so you's gotta start looking at like, Okay, how are people having success like style being behind glass? Like that's super underrated. Yeah, Like and I never spent any time behind glass and never kill anything. So that's my big thing this year for deer and elk because I'm just gonna spend as much time as I can beside behind glass and like really try to find stuff and then figure out how to play it. 00:57:58 Speaker 3: Cool else No, I mean not a question, but I think it's cool when you you do get your first ball, like, you'll probably look back and say, there's no way I could have done this six years ago. 00:58:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean six years. 00:58:12 Speaker 4: No, it'll be however many years. 00:58:14 Speaker 2: It's only because I'm doing it this year. 00:58:17 Speaker 4: No, No, like when like you first start, like when you were three hundred pounds. 00:58:20 Speaker 1: No, I know that's what I'm saying, Like, it won't be six years six years of be like two years now. 00:58:26 Speaker 2: Okay, so let's do it this year. Four years yeah. No, yeah, that's what took us. Yeah, like me, not us, because I think Scott joined later, right, you joined technically two years after Yeah, yeah, joined the fight. 00:58:39 Speaker 5: What's the maybe there's not one. But what's the end goal for you for like a weight or like, how do you decide? Okay, I'm here to maintain. Now I'm done, I'm done losing weight. 00:58:49 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get dexas scanned at two hundred pounds and see what my body composition looks like and then go from there. I think, like I haven't been two hundred pounds since like maybe third or fourth grade or something, so that just felt like a good thing. 00:59:03 Speaker 2: To shoot for, and then I'm not's not a joke. I was pretty fat when I was a kid, but. 00:59:09 Speaker 4: I think fourth grade I was still one hundred pounds. 00:59:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's I think. Actually, I'm pretty sure fourth grade. I have a memory. I don't remember when this happened. I have remember you of being a little kid and being one twenty eight and talking to the other kids and be like, how much do you weigh? 00:59:21 Speaker 2: And then they tell me and I was like, whoa dude. 00:59:24 Speaker 1: That's like the first time I realized, like this is pretty bad, but I didn't do anything about it. But no, that's like that's kind of the goal. Two hundred pounds. Get the DEXA scan, see how much fat I've got five. 00:59:37 Speaker 2: Five ten, five eleven. Yeah, I'm five nine. Yeah, so I'm about one night you're five nine, maybe I am six. What choose you gonna Yeah, we got the b BO zone were the same. Yeah, man, I think you know, just to talk about, you know, if if somebody's starting that journey, what what you're give them to two or three things to think about or like, yeah, I think the thing. 01:00:06 Speaker 1: The biggest thing for me is like I don't know, I have pretty bad ADHD and so like I think, like the ADHD is like you only like doing things that you like to do, so that for weight loss can be like a superpower. Like whereas like, dude, like I would love I'll go to the gym every day. I love going to the gym. But like my yard, like if you look at my page, might have the worst backyard ever. So like either like really like find something that you really like with fitness and then just like do that every day. Like if it's it's gonna be impossible for you to keep up with you behave if you're like, oh I hate running, well, dude, guess what, You're not gonna be running much like because you just won't keep at it. Yeah, So I think like just finding something you like and then setting up your life around that. Like and I'm not saying like that the gym has to become your entire life, but I am saying, like, dude, everything like make sure it supports that, like make sure your wife knows. Hey, even if I'm on vacation, I'm gonna go find somewhere I'm gonna work out, like that's just it. I'm gonna get whatever your metric is, Like I'm gonna get that in today. If it's like I'm gonna hit a one hour workout. I think that's your best, Like doing a good CrossFit thing, like for one hour, that's like your best just generalized fitness, like get it out of the way, and then your food's gonna support that. Everything's gonna support that. So I think those two things. Just find something you love, sticking with it, and then setting up your life to support that thing. 01:01:21 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, man, I think just getting started. It's funny you say, the a wife that supports that, Like I competed and made my living, yeah, doing CrossFit. When we'd go on vacation, she's like, really, you have to work out. I'm like, yes, I do. And then now she's like when I'm either high strung or whatever on vacation, she's like, hey, just go work out for a little bit. And I'm like, finally, you know so that's awesome. Yeah, I think you've got to have that support system. You can't do it by yourself. Now. No anything else to ask him, nothing, Scott Nate. Appreciate you coming on me. Yeah, thank you gys for having me out kill something. 01:01:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's about time. I'm gonna grab probably after this podcast. 01:02:00 Speaker 2: You're bow. I saw a bunch of buffalo out there, so take one. Smoking one of it's left handed. I'm gonna figure it out, all right. Ends are set. It's a three pin slider. A cat pin is your wherever. The the arrows, those aren't bad. I can walk straight up on one or the freaking yeah Highland cow for sure. You could probably call Ricky's name and he come running. You can put one in him. Ricky's last year. Probably wouldn't be invited back, but I'd be fine with it. My wife not so much. Okay, Yeah, thank you guys for having me out. Okay, dude, look a couple more days. Sweet peace