00:00:08 Speaker 1: What's up. 00:00:09 Speaker 2: You're off in God's Country with Reed and Dan also noticed the Brother's Hunt, where we take a weekly drive to the intersection of country music and the great outdoors, two things that go together like Tammy Wynett and George Joan. 00:00:22 Speaker 3: Or Venison Chili and Friday Night Football. Brought to you by Meat Eater and My Heart Podcasts, Bro New. 00:00:29 Speaker 2: Studio, New Digsking it here, Man, it felt good. A lot of animals just just like you know, going, hey, man, keep going. 00:00:37 Speaker 4: You're doing great down there? 00:00:39 Speaker 1: Is that what they're saying? 00:00:40 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:00:40 Speaker 3: To me, it's just a straight up encouragement. 00:00:43 Speaker 1: This thing just sets it off for me. 00:00:45 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm good to see it. 00:00:46 Speaker 1: It's so cool. 00:00:47 Speaker 3: Funny fact all of that stuff was in my dad's backyard and we put it together an hour, no doubt shot. Ernest was on today Bro. So much fun that dude's awesome. Man came in looking like looking like the mayor. 00:01:00 Speaker 4: I hope he runs. 00:01:01 Speaker 2: I did too, Man, Ernest, you got mine, that'd be that'd be super cool. We tell a lot of funny stories. Uh Me and ernestkill way back that he didn't even know about. Dan and ernestkill way Back he's a nash villain, you know, lived here his whole life, and uh doing some great things in country music man kind of kind of kind of widening the trail. I would say, you're also doing some great things for Nashville. He talks about his benefit for the food Bank and uh, just an all around great guy, great podcast, well spoken. 00:01:30 Speaker 1: Yeah you enjoy it. 00:01:31 Speaker 2: Go follow us on the Gram, Go follow us on Facebook, Go follow us on YouTube. Is there anything else? Is there anything else on TikTok? Follow us on because we're always on there, dude. We love to love it. The Brotherren's Hunt. If it looks a little different, if the scene looks a little different. 00:01:58 Speaker 1: It's because it's totally it's totally different. 00:02:01 Speaker 2: This is the inaugural episode in this uh, in this building. It kind of feels I was telling Dan, it kind of feels like the first Like the first episode we were like how many and thirty five thirty six in now over and this is Yeah, this feels like a startover. This feels like the first episode we ever did. Yeah, it's awesome. And by the way, that's Reid's wife. I don't know if yeah, I don't know if we cleared that up. But maybe we should put that like on the liner notes when we're because we do this over. 00:02:27 Speaker 3: Here's some weird interactions there. That's what's going on there. 00:02:29 Speaker 4: Okay, there's something going on here. We have a couple of kids together, you know, and we're brothers. Yeah, I didn't know that, and I'm just kidding. 00:02:38 Speaker 2: We got related to Jason. There's there's no better person to Uh. He already knows the history of this building. He came in screaming it when he was walking up the stairs. Yeah, Jones, this is Jones. Is Jones and Tammy Wine up building. 00:02:49 Speaker 4: Huh. This is the Jones's history here, some history here. Yeah, dude, when I was walking up the stair, was like, no way. I wrote here years ago and I thought it was so cool, Like George Jones looked out this window. Yeah, these floors have not been updated since. Have not pacing them smoking cigarettes and checking out side for cops. 00:03:08 Speaker 1: We've got uh, we've got some dead animals on. 00:03:11 Speaker 2: The wall now, thank God man and all this stuff. We also have a two time a c M Award nominee, two time c M a Triple Play Award winner, which means you've written three number one songs in a calendar year twice twice, yeah, two times. 00:03:30 Speaker 1: Uh man. 00:03:31 Speaker 2: Some of the songs cowgirls, I had some help you prove one of my hometown, big big plan, son of a center. We got big earnest on the cow or not. 00:03:42 Speaker 4: I'm old. Our old place had col Maybe. 00:03:45 Speaker 3: Today we should be the brothers hunt. 00:03:52 Speaker 4: Slipping. That's great. 00:03:53 Speaker 2: I was thinking maybe you should have told us before we started, so we started real quick. 00:03:58 Speaker 4: I hate cowgirls. 00:03:59 Speaker 3: I hate them cross Due me too. And the reason is because my child. 00:04:06 Speaker 4: We can't stopped. I mean it is literally, it's worse. 00:04:11 Speaker 3: It's worse than like candy before bedtime due. If we get in the vehicle, Hey, Daddy to play Towers Daddy, I'm like, yes. 00:04:22 Speaker 1: That dudeas like one saying it like that. 00:04:29 Speaker 3: It's both of my kids, That's what I'm saying. I think I think Liza like heard it, and my four year old and loved it. And my two year old was in the car all the time, and so now he knows that it's Tower Girls. It's so crazy to me, man, because I'm like, hey, you know, my buddy wrote this song, like daddy, come on dad, he did, Like I know the guy. 00:04:53 Speaker 4: Kids, I wrote all right, me and your dad go way back, me and your uncle here further allegedly. Yeah, you know we weren't. We weren't writing that song for the kids. But I love love it. I love it, dude. People people have said that before the kids, they're kids like cowgirls. My son Ryman is obsessed with Why Dallas. He sings white. He has this little ukulele and he'll just sit there and strum it Why Dallas, and he's he knows every word. 00:05:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I love there's some swing on that record. 00:05:27 Speaker 4: Dude, we'll get not my podcast, bro, this is the first you are by far, and we need probably need to keep a stash you. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: You were by far the best dressed artist SLASH guests that we have had bills. It looks like you're trying to, like, uh, you know, project a little something, like you might be running for something or something. 00:05:48 Speaker 4: I'm not only running boys, I'm gonna win the spot for mayor of Nashville, Tennessee. And the cool thing about the mayor of Nashville, Tennessee, I'm the mayor of whatever city I wind up in, you know, it's just my home base is Nashville. So that's what we're doing. We're legalizing country music. We're on the campaign trail. Uh and by god, if I can't do it, no one can. 00:06:10 Speaker 5: Really. 00:06:11 Speaker 4: That's a proper twenty twenty whatever. Yeah, twenty twenty till whatever I died, dictator dude. 00:06:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sitting in there from it's been sitting there all right. 00:06:23 Speaker 4: We got a lot of stuff to get to. But first, what. 00:06:27 Speaker 3: Man, just tell us what it is. 00:06:29 Speaker 4: What you're mad is it? In lost kids? 00:06:32 Speaker 5: Mind? 00:06:32 Speaker 4: Being your boss? 00:06:33 Speaker 1: Man, all your names, Ken, just tell us what you mad. 00:06:39 Speaker 3: You see what I'm mad at that? 00:06:40 Speaker 4: I love that, I know. 00:06:42 Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I'm mad at is uh. 00:06:45 Speaker 4: Not being able to put your guitar. We're gonna have to work that out. 00:06:51 Speaker 3: I'd say what I'm mad at is that yesterday I did nothing to hurt my knee. 00:06:57 Speaker 4: Nothing. 00:06:58 Speaker 3: I'm talking about regular old forty now, regular old. 00:07:03 Speaker 4: Day kids down. 00:07:05 Speaker 3: I think what happened was we're in this We have a tiny, little ranch style tiny and so we've moved my two year old into my four year old's room just for a little while. We're gonna build. But anyway, so while they're in we're in there, we just had. I got a three week old too. Oh my god, three week old little boy. 00:07:23 Speaker 4: Oh you're in the trenchous sun. Been there. 00:07:26 Speaker 3: They don't get you want my coffee? 00:07:27 Speaker 6: Too? 00:07:27 Speaker 5: Good? 00:07:28 Speaker 3: I'm good right now. I'm a little little shot, but it's all good. Uh. 00:07:33 Speaker 4: So what I do is. 00:07:35 Speaker 3: I go in there, we say our prayers, we do the thing, and then they fall asleep, and I kind of creep off the bed and then I slip into my room, right so I think, but it's a little it's like a little bed, so my legs kind of hang up. So I think my leg was like just kind of hanging getting old ship. I know, I know, I think I fell as I woke up and I was like, I heard my old man, my leg is I heard my today? 00:08:01 Speaker 4: Yeah? Sleep, And so I got. 00:08:03 Speaker 3: Up and then this morning, dude, I couldn't even hardly get up downstairs. Man, I'm mad at what happens to joints at the age of forty. 00:08:15 Speaker 4: You should have seen what happened to the joint I just smoked in. 00:08:17 Speaker 2: They're getting they both are getting smelled. 00:08:24 Speaker 4: Right at those joints. 00:08:28 Speaker 1: Beautiful dude. 00:08:30 Speaker 2: Man, I don't I honestly don't don't say you're not mad enough. I mean I probably am, but I've forgotten mad at anything. 00:08:36 Speaker 1: I forgot. 00:08:36 Speaker 4: It's a privileged man, ladies, And it's about to get hot again. I know we've already used that one. 00:08:43 Speaker 3: Talked about eighteen things you were mad at on the drive end today? 00:08:46 Speaker 4: Tell me one the heat. 00:08:48 Speaker 1: I don't talk about that. 00:08:49 Speaker 3: I got something that we can't talk about. 00:08:55 Speaker 4: It sounds like traffic. N Yeah, heat and traffic. 00:08:58 Speaker 1: That's what I'm mad at. You mad anything? 00:09:02 Speaker 3: Arn, You don't have to be. 00:09:03 Speaker 4: You can be glad. I'm mad at a couple of things. 00:09:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, or don't. 00:09:08 Speaker 4: This is a fat thing, belt buckles cutting into the gut? Mad at that? Wasn't mad at that when I was standing up walking in here? 00:09:15 Speaker 5: Sure? 00:09:15 Speaker 4: Mad at it? Now you're just sitting down and that helps. It helps. I'm big on taking the belt off while driving. Same. 00:09:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'll tell you this. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: See this guy, what are you about to do? Oh? Those are great? 00:09:30 Speaker 3: This is this is the big belt for me elastic. But the husky belt spans still keeps them up. 00:09:37 Speaker 4: It's a belt that shrugs. It's like, whatever you want to do to you, man, you want to go here for you just adding an elastic band to totally. 00:09:48 Speaker 3: In a like slightly more dressed up way than wearing sweat. 00:09:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, guys under two hundred don't wear those belts. Don't And you're in the golf Pro shop, You're like, this is nice, this is nice, this is nice. Doing this thing stretches. There's no there's no like dotted line for how how big it can be. It's just braided. So it's like, you can fit this as long as it's fit around your waist. We got a spot whatever, we got it, one size. 00:10:18 Speaker 3: We got it. 00:10:19 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, it's the opposites people that refuse to get on a Zimpit can still wear. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: A belt, Yeah, sure, exactly. Hey listen, sorry that belt bump is cutting you. But it looks good on you. 00:10:28 Speaker 4: That's good, thank you, and looks for everything. I feel like something else was upsetting me. Oh, pedestrians, pedestrians in twelve South, we'll say twelve. I don't even go to Broadway much. I'm sure it's brutal down there, but just like on a Saturday, obviously you got crosswalks. That's one thing. Cars should be mindful of crosswalks. But like people are just texting with their cowboy hats and boots on six six of you know, six tourists just mindlessly deciding I'm going to take a left and across the street. Here. 00:11:05 Speaker 1: It's like ducklings, dude, they like follow me. 00:11:07 Speaker 3: I feel like society is kind of mind less at this point. 00:11:10 Speaker 4: Well, it's because they're all, yeah, yeah, here, a lot of that going, and then whatever happens out here is just the extra. 00:11:19 Speaker 3: In the same vein we played a h we played Chiefs down there on Broadway. I was sick a couple of weeks ago. 00:11:25 Speaker 1: That room, by the way, the I. 00:11:27 Speaker 4: Haven't even been in there, and it looked all the videos. 00:11:29 Speaker 1: It's like the third and floor. 00:11:30 Speaker 2: It's like a small rendition of the Rhymen with them stained glass and everything. 00:11:34 Speaker 1: Dude, it's so sick. 00:11:35 Speaker 3: We're gonna do it to you. It's just go do it with us. 00:11:37 Speaker 1: It's fun. Killer. 00:11:38 Speaker 4: I would love that. 00:11:39 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you, man, the most interesting part of that thing to me is that it's kind of like this, except out there is uh Broadway, right in that Broadway. You look at them, dude. I was just standing at the window, just looking out the window like it is downtown is insane, dude. Have you done it in a while? 00:11:59 Speaker 4: I haven't been. Uh. 00:12:01 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, after after you say downtown, everywhere around here no harvest. 00:12:07 Speaker 4: Last time I went out downtown is after the second Harvest thing at the Rhyman I did and we went to Uh we went to Luke's and yeah, it's nuts, dude. I get claustrophobic, Like I trust me, I'd love to pack a room out, but I want to be on the stage. I get overwhelmed and shoulder and dude, speaking of looking out on Broadway, this is crazy. So when we did the Rhyman for my headline show in November, UH, one of the Paul Franklin, we were cutting over here at Oceanway during the day and he was like, hey, tonight when you go, if you get over there today, ask somebody about the upstairs upstairs. Have you heard about the upstairs upstairs? How many people have? So I get there, I like, upstairs upstairs, Yeah, upstairs upstairs, this is yeah, yeah, right, God, we'll be right back. So what had happened was I get there and I asked this dude about the upstairs upstairs and he was like, yeah, we got times, like three in the afternoon. He was like, come on. So it's me and Chandler and Dallas David Center together and we go on this little scavenger hunt. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: We go. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: Dallas had never heard of it. Chandler was with me when Paul said it, but no, Dallas hadn't heard of it. And so we go take the elevator to the third floor. We go through like a service room, and then take a ladder. Pop open. So it's the attic of the rhymen. It's all infrastructure and you can see through the little lightholes down ninety feet to the stage. You're walking around, there's old boards from the original structure laying around. All the brick on the inside is original brick from the structure. And then I go over to the Broadway side. I'm in the I'm in the I'm in the roof of the Ryemen. I pop up in this little hatch of the roof. Yeah, and I'm looking down on Broadway. I obviously smoke a joint and I'm just like, I mean, I I'm a country music history like. I love that we're in George Jones Building. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: I love It's the reason we got this room is because you were coming perfect. 00:14:22 Speaker 4: I love it, and I'll expect that kind of treatment from But so I'm I'm like geeking out, nerding out about this stuff up here, like touching the wall and being like, oh my god, like the what these bricks have heard, you know, like all the way from the sermons to you know, iconic moments and music. Well, next to the little hatch where I was looking out, there's a hole in the wall. And in that hole we're like three or four loose bricks. 00:14:55 Speaker 3: Don't tell me you did it? 00:14:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, we each got a brick from the rhymen and it's covered in to it from when it caught fire. So it's a jet black brick. I got it in my office and it's in i mean otherwise mint condition, other than covered in suet, and it's been sitting there and the. 00:15:10 Speaker 3: Wall sneak it or like, hey, can I get this brick? 00:15:14 Speaker 4: I just told the dude. I was like, we're gonna take these bricks. We didn't take him out. You try to stop me if he was like, I don't even know if he's still working. He was like probably twenty one years old. I don't know if he ever, but uh, I told the rhym And Staff that months later, I was doing something there. I was like, you know, you know, I got a brick in his mother right, But dude, I mean, if you hold it, your hand is just completely black. But I'll give it to my son one day. And I don't know how many people have that, Like I've always wanted like a pew or something or it's. 00:15:45 Speaker 2: Even kind of cool, alert though, because like nobody else, nobody has a brick. Nobody probably they probably some pews out there from ten Penny. 00:15:53 Speaker 4: His grandmother, Donna Hilly, obviously Queen of Music, Row got gifted a bunch of cool stuff throughout her and I grew up with Mitchell, so like I was always at their house. The hang was always at his grandmother's and uh, she had a pew from the original Rebuild. 00:16:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty cool that the kid happens to be named after it as well. 00:16:16 Speaker 4: Totally ironic. I didn't even put two together, like, oh my god, you. 00:16:21 Speaker 3: Grabbed that b and you were like, I got to name my kid. 00:16:23 Speaker 4: I renamed it at two years old. Hey, actually. 00:16:29 Speaker 2: Black bricky Okay, Uh yeah, speaking speaking of Tenpenny. Uh, you guys kind of like we're in like I try to do a little duo. 00:16:39 Speaker 4: Right. We teetered with the idea Keith and Mitchell. Dude, nobody wanted to sing. 00:16:44 Speaker 1: Back up I wrote with y'all for that record. 00:16:46 Speaker 4: Man, Oh my god, which song did we write? 00:16:49 Speaker 2: I have no clue. In the basement, in the basement at at at his grandmother's house, probably, so we had the studio that is. 00:16:57 Speaker 4: The that is where I spent most of my high school nights. And that pew we sat on. Oh yeah, that pew in the room. And there was a big flag above que which we can't show, but it was. It was the flag flag there. It was the flag from the original Gone with the Wind that was gifted to Donna Hilly, signed by the whole cast and the President in the United States of America. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:17:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like in a frame. President. Yeah, how did he get on there? She had, dude, like she was friends with uh George Bush? 00:17:30 Speaker 3: Like, oh she had he said that. Mitchell said that, Yeah. 00:17:33 Speaker 4: Donna Hillett had all kinds of friends. But that's cool. 00:17:36 Speaker 1: That would have been that was there. 00:17:37 Speaker 2: That was what year that It would have been twenty thirteen, thirteen four, so a little bit like ten eleven years ago. Yeah, we had we had Mitchell on the podcast, and so me and Mitchell took a songwriting class together. That's where we met an MTSU and we wrote. We wrote some songs. I was living on a house. 00:17:53 Speaker 1: Boat and Percy Preece remember that. We wrote some. 00:17:55 Speaker 2: Songs and then he was like, hey, man, I'm trying to do this duo thing with my buddy. 00:18:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, come right and write some tunes with us. 00:18:01 Speaker 4: So the Warren Brothers who I'm writing with after this is who? So the donna Mitchell's grandmother signed the Warren Brothers to their first pub deal back in the day. If you don't know the Warren Brothers, if you're listening, they've written tons of legendary hits, Red Solo, Cup, you know. And they're hilarious most Yeah, they're hilarious. So when I was getting ready to sign my first pub deal, Sony ATV was the only one I even knew existed by proximity of the house always having Sony ATV stuff in it, and knowing that Mitchell's grandmother was the was the president or whatever? 00:18:39 Speaker 3: Was his mom working there at the time too? 00:18:41 Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, she was working doing the same doing the same thing, keeping books and stuff, and so I took the meet Warren Brothers took me in for a meeting with Sony ATV and then w Warner Chapel and I went Sony ATV just because it was all in the family. But I was like, I can't do this pub deal at Sony ATV without Mitchell, you know, like and Mitchell is never the type to use his grandmother's name or clout to get anywhere. But yeah, so it was it happened, bang bang, Warren brothers want to bring it. I was like, let's do this, and then just me and Mitchell were just tag teaming all of our rights together, like we the Warren Brothers do that, and we just kind of you got me, you got Mitchell, you got Mitchell, you got me, and you know, it just so happened, and a lot of our demos turned out both of us singing. There was never any there's no structure or plan ever to us being a duo. It was just we wrote probably one hundred and fifty songs together. And you know, like when I started making music fourth fifth grade. I met raf Tenpenny in fifth grade and Mitchell was in the eighth grade. So his freshman year he turned sixteen, and he'd be driving us around. Everything he was listening to is what we were listening to. So like my early music, DNA from under Oath to John mayor Craig David, that's all. Mitchell would say the same three and we did it. We covered a Craig David song with a seven days. I didn't have to watch. I know I'm gonna do Craig David as Mitchell, which is the way I knew it. Mitchell tenpenny. 00:20:17 Speaker 1: Everybody h. 00:20:22 Speaker 6: On my way to see my friends did a couple of blues away from me. I don't home through the subway, must have been about a quarter. Passed in front of bank, stood up beautiful honey with the beautiful body. 00:20:40 Speaker 4: She used me for the time. I see the course of the name said number band. You know why she said? Did she declined? 00:20:48 Speaker 3: No? 00:20:48 Speaker 4: Did is she mine? I don't think so? Uh wasn't she dance? 00:20:56 Speaker 5: It was twenty four? 00:20:58 Speaker 4: When did he see she? 00:21:00 Speaker 5: He couldn't wait, huh to let me up? Day? 00:21:05 Speaker 4: She says she wanted to fronde foul Son. And then we stopped at the Bottle of Moe for Monday took a full at chan on Tuesday. 00:21:16 Speaker 7: We were making love by Wednesday, on Thursday, Friday, Saturday, on. 00:21:22 Speaker 4: Sunday, I left it. But yo, But so all of that is that's a pressed do you do in press? Like didn't he I can do? I can do. I tried singing like Mitchell before, I tried singing like anybody else, and I was That's what I was saying, like the I didn't you know, I wouldn't show my music to nobody that besides whoever came over to the grandmother's house, and that was what was the pro tools session. And so a lot of times whatever I left on pro tools as from seventh grade the senior year, was knowing that Mitchell would be the next one to hear it. So I was always trying to impress Mitchell being the older kid, uh early like I would I would say pre puberty, but I hit puberty in like third grade, so for other kids my age hit puberty. I was trying to impress Mitchell and now shaving, Yeah, I was shaving, dude. I was shaving, dude. 00:22:21 Speaker 1: You're a nash villain. You've you've been here your whole life. If you were actually voted in maybe have Nashville, Tennessee. All right, what would be the what would you change about your city? 00:22:32 Speaker 4: Uh? Okay, So I would start with locals get free parking. Like when I say local, I mean like you have a if you were born in Nashville, Tennessee. You it's a sticker. It's just like Florida has your fast past. If you've lived here for fifteen years pro rated, you know, five years. I think I think you should be rewarded for living in this city and staying put and going downtown and parking in parking lotch you grew up parking in Now you got to pay twenty five bucks is not a reward. I understand you gotta make money, but there's enough tourism here and everything. I think you should reward you should. That's part of you know, why we don't go down to Broadway is because it's like to go pay forty bucks to go spend four hundred. 00:23:10 Speaker 3: Brother, That's exactly what I was thinking. I didn't figure we'd have anybody at the show we played because I'm like, these jokers gotta pay seventy dollars to get in, to even get to the door, and then there's people throwing up everywhere. 00:23:21 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the thing that got I should pay you seventy dollars if you go down town to Yeah, you should get paid seventy dollars. 00:23:27 Speaker 4: To go down that's a good run. Yeah, this is great ticket scary. 00:23:36 Speaker 3: So my point is that it's tough for me to see anybody wanting to spend forty to seventy bucks basically two park to get into a place. The thing that blew my mind is it was midsummer when we played. There are literal end Look, man, I don't think I'm like old Dad yet, Dude, I don't. 00:23:54 Speaker 4: Feel old Dad, right. 00:23:55 Speaker 3: But I literally saw okay, yeah, maybe. 00:23:59 Speaker 4: Some okay guys three tears of a c l and hearing a Natali What happened? Guys walking like Forest Gump for the rest of thetairs. Dude, it's no strap anyway. 00:24:18 Speaker 3: This girl trying to get in the in the thing because the windows right over the door, and she literally literally all she had on was like a skirt that's shorter than my shorts and a red bikini top with a leather jacket. Like that's it, dude, A literal bathing suit top, short, leather jacket. 00:24:38 Speaker 4: You know, I'm jealous. I'm jealous of the options girls get to it. Like, imagine if it wasn't drag, but a guy off our statue could just pull up in a skirt and a little crop. This is the least I could wear. You don't like it, don't look. There's a tire world so far of you and me just wowed up dressing slutty at a country show. 00:25:03 Speaker 3: I don't even know what that well, I'll tell you what it looks like. What her boyfriend or whoever was with it with her at all, which was a white T shirt that looked like a veloscal raptor had just ripped across the chest and his knit was just. 00:25:18 Speaker 4: He shops at Buckle. It was like. 00:25:23 Speaker 3: That's still around for that guy. Yeah, which is crazy. 00:25:27 Speaker 4: It's in the Green Hills mall. 00:25:28 Speaker 3: I mean, but hadn't been there in a while either. 00:25:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's too close. Yeah I lived in four Hills, but I mean it's still the closer mall than going to Cool Springs. So you bought a place though. Yeah, it's like a city farm. It's like five and a half acres. It's not a city farm. On the west side of Franklin. Yeah, I love. It's got a creek, it's got a barn. The lady's got seven goats, I think nine chickens. We got two dogs, three cats. We got three cats. We kind of have four cats, but I never see Harry. We have a barn cat who just eats his food and dips. I've seen him once. Uh. Two are indoor. Their main coons, which are super fire. I didn't know they existed. I've never been a cat guy. That's like the leg main like the place. And then coon like the dog. Yes, really yeah, the dog. 00:26:22 Speaker 3: You like a raccoon coon? 00:26:24 Speaker 1: Oh, coonhound? I got it. 00:26:25 Speaker 4: I got and I said, gets in your trash dolls. So a main coon. And they get up to like thirty five pounds. They're big cats. I'm not not a cat I tell you what I've I'm not a cat guy. I would have always said that until these cats. And Delaney was never Delanny was always allergic to cats. And then one of her friends like had one that needed a home or whatever, and that's her spot, and we fell in love with the cat. And what I like about a cat is that it doesn't go bonkers when somebody knocks on our door or comes inside. If anything, You're like, the cat's nowhere to be seen, you know what I mean? Whereas I have two Australian shepherds that just lose their mind for twelve minutes at the top of their lungs anytime anything happens that isn't me. 00:27:26 Speaker 3: So yes, same cat, guy, I need a picture of a man coon jumps. I gotta see what we're talking about. 00:27:31 Speaker 4: Their fire looking big, fluffy like that's it. 00:27:36 Speaker 2: Oh that's bobcattish, Yeah, kind of kind of looking. Oh that's links sure, man, I might be scared of that thing, so you know your. 00:27:45 Speaker 4: Kid, No, they're they're the sweetest. They're just cuddle bugs. 00:27:49 Speaker 3: That looks terrifying, Yeah. 00:27:50 Speaker 4: They're not. That one looks more terrifying than ours. 00:27:53 Speaker 3: That one look terrif thirty five pounds is a big cat, though, Dude, that's bigger than most bobcats. Honestly, I mean I've never killed or never shot a wildcat that was over fifteen pounds pound forty pounds bobcat. 00:28:04 Speaker 4: Dude, Well that's what I'm saying that. Well, see if they if they I know that they can get up to that big right now, they're both like ten fifteen pounds, but there neither of them are a year old. 00:28:13 Speaker 3: They don't go outside at all. 00:28:15 Speaker 4: Uh No, they stay inside. So you you about that farm loft, you feed goats, chickens. 00:28:20 Speaker 1: Do you do the whole thing? 00:28:20 Speaker 4: Leanney and Ryman do the farm chores every morning they go, they take their walk chicken cooke awesome, water worms food, get the eggs well like you like they got dried up inch worms. 00:28:33 Speaker 3: You feed the worms wait, Ryman, would you know, take handfuls and scatter them in there and then they'll go across water and hay for the goats. 00:28:46 Speaker 4: Yeah. Ryman he's three three and a half and does the farm tree. He knows the farm chores. 00:28:52 Speaker 3: That's all pretty awesome for him. 00:28:54 Speaker 4: These guys a little dump truck. He'll put stuff in the back right it like, and I'll follow him around in the cowsak cool. It's kind of sick. 00:29:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's pretty great. 00:29:03 Speaker 3: My wife wants all that stuff so bad, but I'm just like, I have no time. I have no time to mess with us. 00:29:07 Speaker 4: That's what it is. If she does it, it's gonna it does take time. But that's that's what Delandy does. She is literally a farmer. So you're like, you can have this stuff. But she's got a eighty by forty garden with like all kinds of half of its uh veget like vegetables and stuff in the other half is like wildflowers. 00:29:24 Speaker 3: And that's so what do you what are you eating now? 00:29:27 Speaker 4: That garden peppers? Uh? What else? We use the basil all the time. Born messed up this year too hot, too hot, real drops still really corn corn wasn't good. We had a deer get into some of stuff. I mean she had a bunch of cabbages and cannle lope and stuff like that. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: Guys can help you with those deer if you get a little they start getting your gardenl too much. 00:29:49 Speaker 4: Guys, I would love that. Can we just put like a bear trap back there? No, I can not put a bear trap back there. You put a deer trap. But yeah, there's still a stand in one of my trees there. But I don't think it'd have to be bo Yeah for sure. 00:30:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's what I was saying. 00:30:06 Speaker 3: Okay, you know there's actually a company, I can't remember what it's called, like Bowbros. Or something, and you can literally hire them to come hunt, which but you don't even have to hire us doing it. You don't even have to hire us business. And we'll give we'll we'll give you half the mate off of that, dude ook for you. 00:30:23 Speaker 4: I'd love that. Dude. You know what is the most nostalgic thing I think about it? Anytime it starts being fall. I smell it, I taste, I see it. It was a Friday night football game at David Lipscomb. It was brisk, it was probably fifty degrees. There's a there's a fire pit going so like natural wood BURNI you can smell it. Marching band is coming down the hill, okay, teams are walking the field doing kicking field goals all that. And then Mark Muscolo was making he had venison chili and he was making venison sliders on Hawaiian rolls and we were eating that, getting ready to do. The sun is down, dude. 00:31:07 Speaker 3: That's a good day. Oh that's a good afternoon. 00:31:10 Speaker 4: I got in so much trouble before Friday night football game. Uh calling one of four five the zone. They were one of four to five. The zone was at they do like you know, every Friday night, they pick a different school and they were at Lipskin and we were playing Stratford, and uh, we were supposed to beat Stratford. 00:31:27 Speaker 6: You know. 00:31:28 Speaker 4: And I was like, A I think I was a freshman or sophomore. I think it was a sophomore his tenpenny senior year. Yeah, so anyways, I was not going to be playing. And I called one of four to five the zone while like you know, we did. We came down, had our team meeting break for three hours. We got to be back in the field. During that break, I like probably went around smoked a joint with a couple of the older kids, and uh, for the game, I wasn't playing diet hand warmers a dip like I was chilling. I was gonna have a good time. Chili is waiting. I forgot listening to Mike Jones, right, So I called one of four five the zone and I was like, hey, I don't know why, dude, this is the stupidest thing ever. I was like, yo, it's like this is so's amos, David Lipscomb. I'd like to shout out like Michael Sazio and like three or four of the upper classmen. I was like, we're about to kick some Strapford. But and dude, I didn't even didn't even That's how little I thought back in the day. You think I don't think before I speak. Now, this was so impulsive, not to not considering that the speakers for the live show. We're down at the field, like all the coaching staff, both teams, everybody that's going to the game listening to Wonderful. Like one of the players called Keith Smith calling talking before a game and so we getting there, Wait, is that dear chili chili on the smells like we Coach Mac at halftime was like, Kiefer, we were beating the crap out and he's Likefer, and don't think the whole coaching staff didn't hear you call talking a bunch of bull crap. What kind of idiot are He was like, He's like, you're kicking off this ass and you're kicking extra points. And boy, when I tell you that they let come through, I was kicking extra points and they just let him have it. I got three blocked in my face. Dude. Oh, I don't know what made me think of that chill made but yeah, rest in peace, Coach Mac, Rest in peace. David Lipstrom High School. 00:33:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, does everybody have a coach Max, I mean I had a coach man, so everybody had. 00:33:39 Speaker 1: Dan's got some mean dear chili. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if. 00:33:42 Speaker 3: You want to make your own dear chili, I can. I got tons of venison, you know I would love him? Serious? Yeah we uh I cooked them yesterday. 00:33:50 Speaker 4: Actually football dude, football on back porch, fire deer chill were almost there. The morning started to like it. 00:33:58 Speaker 2: I feel like we've got these next like like week from hell, like some of the hottest temperatures of the summer coming, and then it gets in, rain season comes and then we got we're there. 00:34:06 Speaker 4: Football duds already changed. It's been such a dry summer. Yeah, leaves are starting to look like fall. 00:34:12 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're falling, all right. 00:34:13 Speaker 1: We sound like a bunch of old dads. 00:34:14 Speaker 4: We are what are alright? So not an oldest you just let's go back to you. Are you thirty two? Are we the same? What? I just kidding? Have an ingrown hair on my stomach. That's why I wore pants. 00:34:34 Speaker 1: I got them all over my legs. 00:34:35 Speaker 4: Yeahs socks. So you you started, you started. 00:34:42 Speaker 2: Your journey with with Sony and Mitchell doing that whole thing. You kind of went went off the country. 00:34:48 Speaker 1: Music path a little bit. Yes, where what what? 00:34:52 Speaker 2: What in your brain took you to the place where you referred your to yourself as. 00:34:57 Speaker 4: Snow Oh well, that would be uh a combination of things. One being as I was saying the stuff I was just listening to all growing up, rap was in the mix always, and I was always able to freestyle rap like I freestyle the songs I write today, I'm just not there's melody that I. 00:35:15 Speaker 3: Know I'm doing that. When we wrote Tennessee Queen, I remember you getting I remember you just like saying rappy things through the day. Yeah, And I couldn't tell if you were joking because we had written yeah yeah, And I was like, And then as it would when like as the day progressed, I was like, oh, this is like a strategic tactic of his to get words to rhyme with things and maybe even pull something that's out of the movements. 00:35:40 Speaker 4: And dude, I thought it was. I thought it was great. Thank you. But that's accidentally my process and so like, and it all came from just lunch table freestyle rapping and frying up kids on my summer baseball team in the day. Yet and so that was. You know, I was always obviously writing country songs, signed to be a country singer. But the song that got me my pub deal was me and an acoustic guitar rapping a song called blacked Out, and I just sat down for Tom Luther and played that. He was like, I don't know what this is, but you'll figure it out. 00:36:10 Speaker 3: He's my point. 00:36:11 Speaker 4: Now, Tom is amazing. Yeah, so he was like, I don't know what we're gonna do with this, but come on, yeah, come on. So you know what, there was a time where I would have considered that a detour that wasted time, but I think every moment I spent pursuing rap. Actually, i'll tell you what came from it, me wanting to be a rapper or even right hook right rap hooks for other artists. That time between like twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen took me to LA where I made a lot of cool relationships. I got to Fgo, brought me in to write with DJ Mustard, which ended up just be me and it was just me rap. Brian and Tyler just sat back while I just rapped on DJ Mustard tracks, you know, and the song was nothing ever happened but like I was getting getting those rooms. 00:37:00 Speaker 5: Yeah. 00:37:00 Speaker 4: Yeah. And where it all changed was I was at on my second pub deal, which was UMG with Big Loud. I was at the UMG studios in LA and I got set up to write with Charlie Hansome and we were making a rap. So in fact, I was like, if you hear that song is called it was called used to, And in my mind I knew that Charlie had worked a bunch of posts, like in the go Flex era of posts. So I was like freestyling post Malone twenty seventeen post Malone type stuff over Charlie Hansen beat, so it sounded like post stuff and the vocal chain was all set up for that, and we hit it off just on some bro shit. And I guess he had met Seth England prior in Atlanta at an FGL show with Nelly, and so they had planned on writing in Nashville, and I was like, Yo, you got to come to Nashville. So he it all lined up to where he was supposed to write with FGL on like a Wednesday. He gets in town on a Sunday and on Monday, I was like, Yo, you need to meet Morgan Wallen. Morgan hadn't had anything yet, he had the way I talked. He had just dropped the way I do too. But so me and Charlie had starting point too. 00:38:13 Speaker 1: It felt like that was. 00:38:14 Speaker 4: On a Monday night we wrote if I Know Me, No Way? Yeah, the first time we got me and Morgan had known each other obviously, but the first time we got in with Charlie wrote to find know Me, And then a few weeks later or maybe a few months later, we wrote more than my Hometown. Uh, and we're off to the raisin and me and Charlie have done heartless and now he brought me back around for all this post stuff. So had I not been pursuing rap, every everything would be different. 00:38:40 Speaker 3: Wow. Wow, that's Beautiful's cool. Yeah, just to know that, like what you said, they're really in this business and and we try to let people know that they're they're they're not really any wrong turns because it's so crazy and there's so many different avenues. 00:38:56 Speaker 2: To music you don't have to spot them. Man, absolutely, more than feels like. 00:39:01 Speaker 4: And I think that Charlie is a very instrumental part in that being the case. Right now, just like the way he's been able to sonically blend real rap production with real country music, you know, as opposed like obviously there it had been done. It's not like he was the first one to put eight awaits in a country song, but it's the first time we got a rat producer making country. 00:39:25 Speaker 1: Song, right. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: I mean, like FG Yale brought in the and it worked. 00:39:31 Speaker 4: Obviously, obviously we're a decade kicked the door. 00:39:33 Speaker 2: Down, but then it almost it feels like Charlie and Morgan and Big Loud and y'all cats Man kind of took it to that, like authentic rap beat under country lifestyle lyrics. 00:39:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, and a lot of the a lot of the melodies and stuff like when we were doing they like wasted on You You Prove Heartless again, Like those those melodies and moments are all pulling from my hip hop bag in R and B back like Craig David, a lot of my early stuff. It's like I have to force myself to put less words in a song because of this that I listened to. It has so many words in it, and that's been the fun puzzle is Like obviously now I'm you know, way beyond knee deep in country music. And the traditional sound, and I've always loved it, but now I'm just obsessed. Isn't the word? I am obsessed? But it's like my mission. I feel like I've never I never felt purpose with any version of where I was at creatively. I just was creating, But like I feel purpose in where I'm at now as an artist in continuing carrying a torch of guys like George Jones, Whalon Merle, Keith Whitley, Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson. That spirit will die if nobody else keeps it alive. And Jamie Johnson talks about that too. It's like I responsible ability as Stewart's uh, if we're going to be country music singers, who's going to fill their shoes. I don't have a voice like Jamie Johnson or George Jones, but I have I believe I have the storytelling ability and the uh, the ear to go ahead, No, go ahead. 00:41:20 Speaker 3: My bad doctors, please please interrupt me. 00:41:22 Speaker 4: But I feel like it is my responsibility to make country music for what I'm gonna put my voice on. Obviously, I have cowgirls and my background tracks for me to I can make whatever I want and you can look back over the last ten years. I'm not switching up if I were to make a rap song today, But I'm not switching up if I were to go sing Eastop loving or today tonight. You know, it's like and there's a lot of artists like that right now. And I think it's a beautiful thing across John's why the door is open for posts to come in here so flawlessly. He did it the right way. 00:41:57 Speaker 3: But I'll tell you, I think you don't cut yourself. Don't cut yourself too short because. 00:42:01 Speaker 4: You you have a A. 00:42:07 Speaker 3: It's not weird, but it's out of pocket ability to make all of those things feel authentic, if that makes sense. Like, and I think it's because it genuinely is it. So you're you're kind of got this jack of all trade things going because I remember when we wrote, I was like, dude, this is an R and B cat, Like, I know everybody thinks he's like rapper or old country, you know style, but this is an R and B cat, Like he's got some feel on love R and B. 00:42:33 Speaker 4: I know you do, and and I mean, I. 00:42:36 Speaker 3: Just think it's it's a It's a beautiful thing to look at when you look at your progression because it's it hasn't like nothing really elevated over anything else. It just all kind of came up together, you know what I mean, all the sounds, and I mean all you got to do. 00:42:49 Speaker 1: Is listen to Nashville, Tennessee and you get. 00:42:52 Speaker 4: Just it is a wide variety. 00:42:53 Speaker 2: But but the cool thing about it is like you didn't do half of it shuffle and then half of it four eight away, Like you just you put a list of however many songs on there and and you don't know what you're gonna get next. And that's the cool thing about it. And and like Dan said, it's like nothing fills out of pocket in there, like like it just feels like different creative moments. 00:43:18 Speaker 4: And it's all ran through, uh with I call it the Opry filter, where it's like, okay, it's just it's all the band. So even songs that maybe the demo had eight to eight so on. 00:43:28 Speaker 3: Oh, there's some serious licks. I mean, like guitar stuff going on. It's serious. I don't know who that was, but. 00:43:34 Speaker 4: Dude, I mean we had everything. We had Brent Mason and Brian Sutton, Paul Franklin, Garry Franklin, Jimmy Lee Slows and Jerry row fell Man. We did. We had a blast, and uh that's that's the the way that album is congruent is because of them, and any song on that album we can go take it. I can tell the Opry Band we're gonna play that and it's gonna sound like the record, and I think, I think that's I love that, I love I love I love the Opry Band. Dude. When the Opry Band gives me a nod after we run through our little song before I go out there, they're like, that's that's all I care about. They showed they signed up to be in the Opery Band to play country songs. So that's anytime I played the Grand Operay and I've I've told people this before I'm playing country song. I'm not gonna play cowgirls at the Opry. 00:44:20 Speaker 3: I'll tell my kids till they don't come. 00:44:22 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:44:23 Speaker 8: Yeah, hey you know that guy. Yeah, I forget about stupid ass at Grand Ole Opry. Dude, Okay, we're gonna we're gonna keep Jones nice and still in his grave. 00:44:34 Speaker 4: Yeah. But there's a time and place for calgars, and there's a time and place for fiddle and steel and it's the grand Ole Opry for sure. Yeah. 00:44:42 Speaker 2: Uh, this was a few months ago. I've written in with with him a few times now. But I went to Big Loud and and uh, I walked in and was right with Thomas Archer and this artist and and I kept on looking at him. And we were in Cadillac. Is that what you call your You're part of there? And I kept on looking at him. I was like, oh, how I know him? 00:45:02 Speaker 1: But I know him? And uh. 00:45:04 Speaker 2: And we were like probably thirty minutes an hour, and I was like, dude, I've seen you before. 00:45:08 Speaker 9: Me. 00:45:08 Speaker 2: I was like, where have I seen you before? He was like TikTok And I was like, what do you What do you mean TikTok? I was like you you were singing? He was like yeah. He's like, you know the video of the guy that the little guy slapping the big guy's belly. He's like and then it rolled up and I'm singing with my belly he slapped. I was like, that's. 00:45:30 Speaker 4: What got his ass? 00:45:31 Speaker 5: Sign? Bro? 00:45:31 Speaker 3: I said? 00:45:32 Speaker 2: I said, I said how. I was like, what tell me what happened from the video? 00:45:36 Speaker 4: Goes? 00:45:37 Speaker 6: Dude? 00:45:37 Speaker 2: I was, he said, I just got a d M from from Ernest and uh it said, It said, dude, you low key cole bro he. 00:45:45 Speaker 4: Said, next thing, I know, I'm writing songs that I heard him singing. I was like, his voice is beautiful? 00:45:49 Speaker 1: Though, How fun has that been? How fun has that been for you too? 00:45:52 Speaker 2: I mean, like because you've you've kind of you've kind of gone through the whole musical spectrum. But now to to have a place where you're getting to to go fond talent and artists and writers. And I've written with Reese and and and Cody and and those cats over there, man, and it feels like y'all are having fun. 00:46:09 Speaker 4: But like, how how has that been for you? 00:46:12 Speaker 1: To kind of create that environment over there? 00:46:14 Speaker 4: That's probably one of my favorite things I'm doing right now. Like, uh, I see that as like my my sunset plan of like I want to empower talented people. And you know, like like so many people have done for me on my way up, Like and everybody can say the same, like there's always these people in your life that where everything changes, and like, yeah, and I think that it took chances. It took took chances on it. I'm the luckiest guy on earth too. To be where I'm at, to be in the position where I'm at, I've I've pretty much grown up in Big Loud, and to now be in partnership with them with it's Deville Records and Cadillac Publishing, and you sign Chandler Walters Record Deal, Reese Ford Record Deal, Cody Loaden Record Deal. We got a nice little roster. And and I know and I instill into them that writing songs is most important because none of this exists without songs. So take your time writing songs, get cuts, stack of catalog, be selfless early on, and then also go out and play shows. And this is a development play, which a lot of labels don't do that now, like I'm we're going to develop them. It's and they're in Chandler's twenty one. These guys are young one, he's twenty. He's the oldest twenty one year old you've ever Mett. He's doing great. He's an old soul. And you know he likes writing with Roger and Dean. I mean who doesn't, But like he, he doesn't want to write what's new right now? Like he sent me three songs that sound like they were written in nineteen eighty two, and I was like, hell, yes, you know, I love that. And he's doing his Walter's Western Wednesday and booking shows all over town. He's grinding and off to it, and I just get to sit back like, yeah out brother, sure, and I'm there in any way they need me. But I think another thing that they're going to be learning, Guys, if we haven't talked about this already, is nobody's gonna do any like. I can't do any of it for you. You know I can. I can put you in the room, I can give you the deal and you have all My connections are yours. But you got to go out and grind it. And it's like having been on the front end of that as an artist gives me such a I loved my perspective from this side of the table as a suit. Yeah, getting to coach yeah through experience, yep. 00:48:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, grind it and find it. 00:48:43 Speaker 4: Dude, got to grind it because here's the thing. 00:48:45 Speaker 3: There's it's like you were saying, there's there's no and and and I'm doing the same thing you're doing on a smaller scale, like signing some riders, and and I say the same thing. I'm like, look, man, I can. I can help you in certain areas, but like old you have to you have to be the guy behind the steering wheel, you know what I mean. I can send you the map quest or what you know what I mean, totally tell you how to get there a little bit, but you got to drive. Man. Yes, And I see so many unless I guess there should be a lesson to people who are coming to town. 00:49:16 Speaker 4: That's what happened to us. 00:49:18 Speaker 3: We had a I mean, Jonathan Singleton was one of a catalysts for us to even get into this town and understand what the business actually is, right and he and he said the same thing to us. He's like, hey, man, I mean. 00:49:31 Speaker 2: I can open doors, but you got to go in the run. You gotta kick him down, and you gotta kick him down, and dude, that takes years and years and years and years. And I had a guy recently that was that was just kind of like, man, I don't know if I can, if I have the strength to do this. And I said, if you're already asking yourself that question, you're already out out. You're already out, dude, because it takes everything you have, or at least it. 00:49:54 Speaker 4: Did for us. I mean I've failed, by all means at least twenty times between signing my first pub down now you have to I mean so many. I should quit, I should give up this, you know, like those moments and then not quitting because you know the classic mem or inspirational poster of the guy digging and gold there's guys. And that's also because it's like, but there might be something. 00:50:25 Speaker 3: But you know what though, once you once you overcome that, can't tell you oh, yeah, because you did it. You you are living on like and I say that we and rechalking. 00:50:38 Speaker 1: You kind of know the formula to what gets you there. 00:50:40 Speaker 4: Well at least what got you there. 00:50:42 Speaker 3: So you're kind of going, I'm putting the shoes and socks on my kid's feet from something that came out of my brain. 00:50:48 Speaker 4: Man. 00:50:49 Speaker 3: And when you when that happens and you realize, oh man, this works and people like this and there's a market for this and this is an actual product, that's when it's just like, can't nobody tell you nothing, dude, because you made it. 00:51:01 Speaker 4: You do it. This is taking nothing turning it into something, and it might give you everything, yes, but it could take everything, right, Yeah, don't you be writing a song upstairs upstairs. 00:51:16 Speaker 3: Sure that's strong, that's strong man. 00:51:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, so what would be let's. 00:51:20 Speaker 3: Because we talked about this too, if because this sounds different now right, like yeah, I mean you came up with we all had, like I said, different catalyst cornerstone dues to help us get through here. But to a guy that doesn't have anything, right, to a guy that doesn't have any connections, what do you say to that guy who busses in with a pocket full of songs and goes, man, I want to write country songs for a living. 00:51:44 Speaker 4: How do you tell what? What advice do you have for that guy? I think you know engulfing yourself in midtown and going, like I'm not saying, go to bars to get hammered. Go hang out at the bars, get to meet people, don't be don't don't overstep like, don't don't. There's a fine line between wearing somebody out and then yeah, be cool, chill, relax because you're gonna if you just show up and stay around. And if you really, if you really got the sauce. It the sauce is the sauce you don't you know, there's no amount. 00:52:18 Speaker 3: Of you either got it. 00:52:20 Speaker 4: You either got it you don't. If you got it, if you're doing these things, I believe if you engulf yourself in the scene, you make a few friends that you're writing songs with, meet people, don't make an ass of yourself, and yeah. 00:52:33 Speaker 3: You know, don't drink too much. 00:52:34 Speaker 4: Don't drink too much, seriously, because don't don't drink too much. And this town can chew up and spit you out if you do, because then you're that guy. But but if you if you're the worst writer in the room, that's a great thing for the first little while, if you can just sit there and learn and kind of see and realize that you don't know everything. And then I'm still talking to myself. There's there's rooms I'm in whereas where I'm just like, hey, guy, you know, I'm gonna get out of the way here, I think. But but write a thousand songs. Don't don't say I've got I've got twenty songs. I got to hit here. It's like, write one hundred songs, right, just keep writing because you're gonna get better. I listened to songs I wrote three years ago, four years ago where I'm like, well that wasn't that good, but it was. I couldn't wait to get it. Songs that didn't get released that I was like, we got to put this out, And now I'm like, oh, thank god, I never put that out. 00:53:27 Speaker 3: Man. 00:53:27 Speaker 4: That just goes to show. I mean, I'm thirty two and there's kids moving in here, twenty three, twenty four years old, and they feel like they're racing times. Like, bro, take it easy. You got time if you can, if you can understand, you got to pay the bills. But you know, and I would also say, be weary now if you want to be a musician. Broadway is a good place to get in a band, because me and my guys we'll go sit at Roberts I've and try to pluck players for the road. 00:53:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, but. 00:53:56 Speaker 4: Be be weary of wanting to be a singer and getting stuck singing on Broadway. 00:54:01 Speaker 3: You can just stuck down there, Yeah, muddy down there. Yeah. 00:54:04 Speaker 4: But writers around listening room, get in some rounds, meet some people in rounds, go to rounds, listen to what people are singing. That's what we did, bro, we were we grinded out the tippler. Uh what was on Commodore? What was the one over on next to McDougal's by Vanderbilt tapas. 00:54:23 Speaker 2: Happened, still, yeah, that's right behind Sam's. Remember Sam used to be there gas. 00:54:32 Speaker 4: Still I don't that one might still be there. I know they got one on eighth now and it's still gas that honey hot. 00:54:39 Speaker 1: Right now, let's talk about your hiatus. You took? 00:54:52 Speaker 4: What take? 00:54:56 Speaker 3: Is that? 00:54:56 Speaker 4: What? 00:55:01 Speaker 2: We're both dads, so we understand the we're not we're not touring dads, but we're we're dads in this industry. 00:55:07 Speaker 1: And no kind of the tolls, Uh it takes on you. 00:55:10 Speaker 3: What uh? 00:55:11 Speaker 2: What was your mindset kind of taking some time off to spend with some family. 00:55:15 Speaker 4: It was just you know, really Rhyman getting to the age where we FaceTime when I'm on the road and stuff. And it went from like him being too and not really understanding that I'm going to actively asking like why are you going? Why are you not here? He knows them on the road, He know you singing songs, are you with Uncle Morgan? All these things? But it's like it just continuously was like be home, stay home, don't leave, and he got he like associates me putting my boots on if I put my boots on, He's like, are you leaving? And you know, like that's sucks, so so so. And the routing for that month was kind of insane, like it wasn't nothing crazy. Sorry if I pissed you off by not being there, But I don't regret it because we got to spend a month at home. I haven't spent a month in our new house since we moved in, since we moved in. Really, No, it's always been three or three or four years ago. No, it's been a little over a year. But still even you know, even winter break we went, we went on a vacation, but it was with a two year old. It wasn't real. It wasn't real vacation. This time got to be home. So what'd you do? 00:56:23 Speaker 3: You just said I'm out for a month, and then you had stuff booked. I had shows bo I didn't know that. Yeah, I thought you were just like, hey, I'm taking No. 00:56:30 Speaker 4: I think it was like a I think it was like eleven shows I had to cancel. 00:56:34 Speaker 1: That's the thing, though, that it was that important to you. 00:56:36 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't regret it at all because I got to have a summer a July with my three year old, like, we go because you are. 00:56:43 Speaker 2: Never you would never get that time back. You'll never get that time back, man, And and and I got to. 00:56:48 Speaker 4: Go play a county fair again. I can do that, of course, man. 00:56:50 Speaker 2: And as much as you want to play for your fans and your fans want to see dude, you got to do what's right for you. 00:56:55 Speaker 1: Yes, you got to be selfish. 00:56:57 Speaker 4: And by the way, this time, my fans were I didn't see one. The only I saw two negative comments, and they're hilarious and they're and I know that they probably are roommates or like their best friends. Dude, one of them, one of them was like damn it. One of them was like, don't be a h what did he say? It was like it was such a brain rot comment. But because I know the dude was like probably nineteen or eighteen, like I will say, he called me a jackpot or something I've never something I've never been called and he's like, come on, bro, like, don't be that uh. And then like thirteen minutes later, an almost identical comment from like this similar profile picture. I was like, y'all know they're definitely playing Xbox right now. Let's come on only two mildly, they weren't. I wasn't even mad at him. The rest everybody else was super understanding. I mean, if you have kids, you definitely understand. If you don't have kids, uh, you can still understand. I mean, dude, I haven't since co since we came back from COVID, I have not not been touring. Like I've had a little break here and there, but I've also had a newborn. And this was like the first real breath of air I've gotten to take in like four years. 00:58:15 Speaker 3: So I went with Loot last year. I went on the road. I did a year with him. And I always say this when when we start talking about touring and stuff, everybody thinks that you guys make bajillions of dollars. And I'm not saying that you do or you don't. But what I am saying is whatever you do get paid for that ain't enough. No, it ain't enough because you were missing moments of life in order to give the fans. And look, yes, there are people putting shingles on roofs and all that, I get it. I'm not saying that, but there is something nice about being able to turn it off at four o'clock and be present and be home, you know what I mean. And when you're road dogging like that, you never turn it off because the second you get home, you got two days. 00:58:59 Speaker 4: Before your back out. 00:59:00 Speaker 3: And you gotta you gotta, you gotta right, you gotta mow the yard, you gotta wash your clothes. I mean, there is no time for nothing, dude. And I really, I genuinely I think the reason that that that touring artists make, you know, always pulling in twenty million this year or whatever. Well, dude, how much is your life worth? You know, it's it's a it's a sacrifice, man. You all make a sacrifice. 00:59:21 Speaker 4: For sure, And and you know those there's very few guys making twenty million. Sorry, no, I know, I mean it definitely ain't me sure, And but I know it does cost a couple of million to tour. And so if you got to make a couple of million to make a dollar, that's what nobody sees. Yeah, So like I got seventeen people to pay two buses. Thank God literally, thank God for writing songs and that that I have that, yeah, and and it takes the pressure off it. I'm okay if I if I need to take a month. I really love my fans. I think I have awesome fans who some have been there since I was snow and some are just starting now and then, and they're great. But the songwriting has given me the ability to say no to something absolutely so that I can be home the little bit I can be sure. You know, how do you feel coming off that month ready to get on the road. Yeah, it's been it's been awesome. 01:00:23 Speaker 1: Fresh. 01:00:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like I had a real summer. I definitely haven't had a summer break in forever. So like we went to Florida, classic vacation donuts, riding a bike, all the stuff I was wearing on clouds and khaki. 01:00:39 Speaker 2: Shorts, father the whitest dad on her father mother. 01:00:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, I started wearing polo shirts. I don't know what it is. 01:00:50 Speaker 2: I ask uh, I don't know who I asked this last but but it's a guy who's chasing the artist career and and and it's kind of caught it. But has also written hit songs and written a lot of them like yourself, Like what is it in you that drives you? Because you don't have to you don't have to go play shows, you don't have to be an artist. 01:01:09 Speaker 1: You can. You could stay at home and and and write songs for Morgan and you. 01:01:13 Speaker 4: Sound like my wife probably probably. 01:01:17 Speaker 2: What what what is it in you that makes you have to go do that? 01:01:22 Speaker 4: It's always been there. I just I love entertaining. I love singing songs. That there's some songs that I write that I already know they're not mine. Uh, and those are the ones that end up getting cut. But songs that I cut, it's like I want, I want my voice on songs that are you know, I'm proud of. Maybe I'm a narcissist or maybe every artist does this, but like when I'm making a record, all I listen to is what I'm making, and then once I put the record out, I don't listen to it unless I'm playing it on stage. But like, I listen to myself, and that's how I learned. And I I'm an honest critic of myself. But I know when something's good and no it's some is not, and I can build off that. And yeah, I just I think that I was, like I was saying, I think I have a responsibility to make a statement in the name of country music and our forefathers and to be an example to kids that are five and six years old now that will be thirty and oh he kept it real, and I think, yeah, I can't. I can't necessarily do that as just a songwriter. I can write those songs, but I think being the guy that can stand on stage and sing it and preach is that that's awesome. 01:02:36 Speaker 2: You've raised a bunch of money with your invitational for Second Harvest Food Bank. Explain that to us a little bit and where your heart is and that that project. 01:02:46 Speaker 4: Man, Second Harvest has been awesome to me. Craig Wiseman traditionally has done the Stars for Second Harvest show at the Ryman. I think what thirteen or fourteen years of it. And he took me to breakfast a year ago and I was like, I don't know what. I thought, He's gonna hand me the keys a big laugh. Dang didn't happen. Yeah, no, it didn't happen, but he but it was super cool because it was the last thing I expected. He asked me to take over his uh Stars for Second Harvest show and association with Second Harvest and carry that torch and in doing so and having that relationship with them. I was just thinking of other ways we can, you know, raise money, and who doesn't love a golf scramble and we do? Yeah, I know. Well now it's brother y'all should sponsor brotherrens hunt, sponsor a hole golf out of a shotging or something. We shooted a turkey maybe, Oh that's cool. We could have a turkey kill. Not even a hunt, just a turkey kill. Turkey slaughter has like twenty five turkeys in it. You kill it, you get a zero on the hole. Oh yeah, dude, we'll talk more about But it's great. I mean, look, I've gotten to meet and get to know some pretty cool people. So it's cool to like make that ask to have people come and be a part of it. And uh, and it's for a good cause. I've been blessed beyond belief and to be able to give back to Tennessee in that way. It's like the food bank itself is already stacked with food. They're never they're never going to run out of food. But the money we raise is going in to the trucks, so they're immediately immediately gassing the tanks and taking food everywhere. And and it's it's great. I mean, I think it's the largest food bank there is, the JP Morgan of food Banks, JP Moore Chase Bank Regions. Everything's Morgan with you. 01:04:52 Speaker 3: Hey, let's do the uh, let's do the things the uh what. 01:04:57 Speaker 2: Were o timers not plugged in? I've been looking at it, but it's wor we've been in that. 01:05:04 Speaker 1: Uh, let's do uh we I can't even remember. Do we do this one first? 01:05:09 Speaker 2: Or we do they the one that got it away or the graver? 01:05:13 Speaker 4: It's the one got away if I close, but do it again. 01:05:20 Speaker 6: It's the one that got away there. 01:05:25 Speaker 3: That's John Mayer ten penny. 01:05:27 Speaker 1: Do you remember the what is? 01:05:28 Speaker 3: What are we doing? What's the segment are we doing. 01:05:30 Speaker 1: When they got away? Let's just do that one. 01:05:35 Speaker 4: I'm sure that was a thing you had to say. It's the part of show for the one all of our songs kind of sound. 01:05:51 Speaker 3: One got away? 01:05:52 Speaker 1: Uh? It could be a deer fish. 01:05:55 Speaker 3: An hour already, man, I don't know how long it's been, but I'm fine. 01:05:59 Speaker 4: Okay, Warren brothers can wait on me. 01:06:01 Speaker 3: They can. 01:06:02 Speaker 1: That's right. 01:06:02 Speaker 2: She got the Israel Brothers right now, that's right. And you know what, tell the Warrens We're coming. Reese can figure it out and write a song without me his blood. 01:06:10 Speaker 4: Let me come and hear it. 01:06:12 Speaker 2: Let me come her way to spill Reese. By the way, I didn't know whether to call him Rise or always call him Rise dude. 01:06:20 Speaker 4: How about fun fact, Delaney's mom named him, My wife's mother named Reese. What They go way back? Because Rob Royer, Delaney's dad, and Rivers used to work together back in the nineties. Rob wrote Grundy, Delaney's dad wrote sold action with I went down to the Grundy County Action. I saw something that I just had. 01:06:44 Speaker 7: My mind told me I should proceed with cush. 01:06:51 Speaker 4: And I said, he wants you to give me a sign. I do anything to get mine own mind. I have never seen anyone that's so fine, man, I gotta have it. 01:07:02 Speaker 7: She's one of the kind. I'm going going twice. I'm sold to the lady in the second rule. She's an age, she's a nice I don't know. She's got ruby red lisbond hair, blue hat, my heart good. 01:07:16 Speaker 4: Yeah. So Robin Rivers used to work together back in the day, and they Delaney and uh Rivers daughters the same age. They went to school together. And when Reese was born, I guess her mom is around and they were picking names, and she's like, Reece, I love Rivers. 01:07:31 Speaker 3: MANA Rivers is the best. 01:07:33 Speaker 4: He's just got this white he's like John. He's like he's like if John dunn't worth. 01:07:41 Speaker 2: He's got this white deer, the flannel, long sleipe bubby walking down He'll be walking down Division carrying a guitar, wearing a cowboy hat on his way, with his shirt halfway on, but looks so fine cut dip in dude. 01:07:55 Speaker 3: If I was like a fifty year old woman, I'd be. 01:07:58 Speaker 4: Like, Rivers are out of the day. 01:08:01 Speaker 3: Swag on he does. 01:08:04 Speaker 4: It could be a song, buck. I'll tell you what my high the truck I had in high school. I was going to say a song which would be holy Water. Jason al Dean cut it. It was Craig Wiseman's first Jason al Dean cut. I wish I'd kept that song, but it's Jason now Dean cut. Not complain with that, Not mad at that? I am mad my ninety eight f one fifty maroon. I sold it to a friend named Ormond, who I don't know where he is. On the face of the earth, and I definitely don't know where that truck is. And god, dude, I know that I know that thing is just munted. I wrecked it kind of and his beat how what model was? It was a ninety eight single cab F one fifty maroon. It had one bedrail on it because one got stolen. Who steals a bedrail? That's a hard thing to take off of a truck, Not with a screw, not with a I don't know. 01:08:57 Speaker 3: I mean Nolan's will oh, never mind the understand. 01:09:01 Speaker 4: Who steals a bedrail? 01:09:03 Speaker 1: Somebody? 01:09:03 Speaker 4: You want to go on to the next question fast. 01:09:08 Speaker 1: We need to move on. 01:09:11 Speaker 4: Huge truck. 01:09:12 Speaker 1: That's a good one. 01:09:13 Speaker 4: My truck. I miss it, ol Red. 01:09:17 Speaker 1: All Red, No, we just did that favorite song, greatest slash. 01:09:22 Speaker 2: Favorite could be a country song, could be a rap song, could be whatever. 01:09:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the explanation on this is that it doesn't have to be the greatest song of all time. It's like, it's what's that cornerstone of my Yeah. 01:09:39 Speaker 4: It'd be like I'd say, it's either that's the way love goes or Angel flying too close to the ground. 01:09:44 Speaker 1: Here, you play it first course one. 01:09:47 Speaker 5: If you had nod had fallen, I would not have found you. 01:09:56 Speaker 4: Angel flying to close to the ground. I patched up your broken wings, hung around a while m hm, trying to keep your spirits up, and you'll fever it down. 01:10:28 Speaker 5: I knew someday. 01:10:33 Speaker 9: You'd fly away. Flow is the greatest tealer. 01:10:46 Speaker 4: To be found. So leave me if you need to. 01:11:00 Speaker 5: I will still remember Angel flying too close. 01:11:10 Speaker 4: To the ground. Come on, that's killer. 01:11:22 Speaker 1: You smashed that way. 01:11:24 Speaker 4: I could have played that man. That was fun. I told you that he's cool. I like this podcast. We all need a third ever. 01:11:31 Speaker 3: Just just come on any time. 01:11:33 Speaker 4: What's up with your part? Are you ever going to bring it back? Think? I just did? Actually you just brought horse back? Brother the brother? Yeah, just being brother. Hey, can we take you hunting sometime? Please? I would love you. I've only done a Rivers Rotherford pheasant hunt. 01:11:49 Speaker 2: Oh no, please come home with take me. I would love so much fun. Take me, take me, take me so. 01:11:55 Speaker 3: Mueah man, And I mean I think you would actually you know, I'd love it. You would love it and you would. 01:12:00 Speaker 9: Uh. 01:12:01 Speaker 4: We went out in bald in Ar fifteen. 01:12:03 Speaker 5: I'm just kidding. 01:12:04 Speaker 3: Shot we did, Yeah, we did with a banana clip and just a single shot, just a single shot. Remember keeping it clean. 01:12:16 Speaker 4: Hey, I would love to go hunting. Please go with us. 01:12:18 Speaker 3: That'd be fun. 01:12:18 Speaker 4: Heyn. 01:12:19 Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging out with us. 01:12:19 Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for being the first in the in the new studio, bro, the new, the new swags. 01:12:24 Speaker 4: Dude, I don't need your rocking sare Hey. 01:12:28 Speaker 3: Let me tell you this. The town loves you. We love you Country music. Thank you for doing what you do and for making the music that you make, and we appreciate you. 01:12:37 Speaker 4: Man. 01:12:37 Speaker 3: Thank you for being a good guy. 01:12:38 Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you for hurn us everybody, thanks for having hanging out God's Country. 01:12:42 Speaker 4: See you next time, all right,

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