00:00:14 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the gear Talk. J're in here, I've got Yannie with me, and uh, dude, what's been happening lately? Hound hunting That's where I'm at. Oh yeah, a little bit skiing, but mostly hound hunting, which, if you haven't been following along, that basically consists of me driving around both of my truck and snowmobile and hiking around in snowy conditions and looking for but not finding any lion or Bobcat tracks. That's what happens nine out of ten times I go out. So I feel like I'm coming up on another track because I feel like I'm I'm again looking at like a two week maybe three week dry stretch. That's not quite true. I've found a couple of time tracks in the last two weeks, but both times I feel like I've been at least a day maybe too late. And you know, if you find that track in the dark in the morning and you have all day, maybe you could cut loose on it and end up somewhere with the cat. But a lot of times I'm you know, I have until like noon one, and so I feel like I need to find something that looks like it's from the night the day before. Gotcha, I have yet to be on a cat hunt. Maybe soon. Oh well, you're gonna have to drive over to the old Montana or sometime you can come drive around, drive around with me, look for tracks, give it a rip. Yeah. Sweet. So we are going to we're gonna talk about my bear hunting gear list for early June that is coming up, and we're gonna do it a little different. Instead of us both having our gearless and going back and forth and what we're gonna take with us, we're just going to go through mine and I hope you don't like tear it apart, but you're gonna challenge challenge some of the things a little bit. Yeah, I just want to. I think, yeah, we kind of chow us to do this format because we can just concentrate on Jordan's list and I can just ask you questions of like, oh, why did you choose that? Because maybe because honestly, our gear lists probably aren't going to be that different. Yeah, But I think it's when I see a gear list, if I see one just printed somewhere, I often have questions about it and want to ask that person like, oh, why did you choose that? Instead of that, because I've always heard that you want to carry this when you're bear hunting, you know. So yeah, yeah, we'll give it. We'll give it a shot and see how it goes. Maybe next year we could post our gear list, or we could even do it this year for other hunts, and then folks could ask questions about those gear lists and we could answer that in an upcoming episode. Good idea, lots of We've had quite a few requests actually for just a printed gear list to give people. So yeah, it's a good idea, and I've got him. Man. I've been making gearless now for probably dang near two decades. I was making gearless when I was a guide. I would send to clients you're a guide outfit or you know they some people have still not gotten the memo about how you really shouldn't bring cotton on a western hunt. Yeah. Do you go a full Excel spreadsheet with like graphs and stuff? Uh graphs, No, but I mean I go Excel spreadsheet for sure, and um yeah, I'd like to make it look all pretty and have you know, some some weights in there. I published one a couple of years ago on the Meat Eater. I think if you type in like Yannie's Colorado sheep Hunt, it would come up um and uh. I published that one and we did a little article around it, and that was on an Excel spreadsheet. Cool cool cool Um. This one I'm looking at now. Jordan did not send me an Excel spreadsh just in a word doc ormat yep it is. I've gone the Xcel route before. I just trying to be speedy on this one. I guess I don't know sure. The key is I think like dating them and then keeping them around so that you can reference them and you know, look back and think about things that have changed. And I don't know if I mentioned this, but I've been saying it lately about these gear lists. A lot of them are so similar. Like this list, you could change a couple of things probably and take it and go, you know, archery, l cunning. Oh yeah, change your weapon and probably wouldn't have some orange whatever, you know what I mean, you'd be really close. But I feel like these the lists that I have going now are these like smaller lists that don't they have like ten or less items that are very specific, right, Like I don't need an know that I'm taking a tent and I'm taking a sleeping bag, right, That's just that's just like it's always going to come with me. But like speaking of a bear hunt, I realized that there's a lot of downtime in that having a book on a bear hunt, I feel like more than any other hunt. Maybe a moose hunt would be similar, but like a book, I feel like it's crucial on a bear hunt. I did not put a book in here. You're gonna hunt harder than me. Oh, I don't know about that, all right. So the first thing on the on Jordan's twenty twenty three bear hunting gear lists for early June. When I saw it, I was like, my first question was in my head was, Okay, is this for day hunting? Are you backpacking? And then tell me, obviously you don't know whether conditions are going to be, like, but what sort of weather conditions are you expecting going into this hunt? Yeah, so we uh were expecting I would expect anyways, Uh, lows and like the low thirties, high twenties is what I'm thinking. Um, in like the mornings and then highs of fifty typically, but man early June in the mountains, it could snow easy. Um, we could have fifty is not to me, that's not warm. No, that's not that warm. Especially you get you get a breeze, going get kind of some overcast like misty air type stuff like, oh yeah, and that's the timy year for it. You know that spring like everything is just like wet, even if it's not raining, it's just like seems to be kind of wet. Yeah. It never seems like you go on a dry spring bear hunt. No, I don't think you do. Um. So, yeah, we're gonna this is gonna be Uh, we're gonna be staying in a cabin, which is gonna be kind of nice. Um, we got a group of people, so we've got it. Uh, we did a cabin this year instead of trying to do like a wall tent or a backpack hunt. Some you know, some of the reason this is gonna be this is an Idaho hunt, like a central Ish Idaho hunt. It's gonna be a new area for me as far as bear hunting goes. And I feel like I'm I'm gonna want to travel more, like put more miles on the vehicle and also my boots as far as like in the mornings, I want to be more mobile. I haven't bear hunted like a ton, but I have shot one and I've filmed a few, and all the outfitters we've ever gone with, they're like, yeah, typically bear hunting is a little slow in the mornings, picks up in the afternoons. And so I was going to use that morning time to almost do like a little bit of scouting, glass a long ways away and just cover some area and then figure out where I want to go sit for the afternoon, and then probably hike in, get on a good ridge where I can glass a lot and uh see you a long ways and just sit there and glass and wait for wait for them to come out, and then make a move. Yeah, what time do you like to be set up by h like for your for your sit. That's gonna go all the way until dark, like one, yeah, one, two right in there. That's been my I'm no, I'm no Joe bear hunter, but that's been my experience too. Um, some places it's like very like to the extreme where you're like, don't even go out and until just be in position for the last sixty minutes of the day, and all of sudden there's just bears everywhere. Um, but in the mountains, I mean, do you still have a chance of catching them midday and catching them in the morning. Um, but yeah, it's sure seems like that lasts two three hours. Is that's when you really want to be paying attention and pouring the coals to it. Yeah. We've even I filmed a couple hunts where the guides don't even get you up until you know, you don't even go out till ten o'clock in the morning. You just like kind of leisually get up, having nice breakfast and then start going out and glassen and then being one spot sitting where you think there's like the best spot for a bear to come out for. Yeah, that lasts little bit so that it never It's like it's not like it's gonna hurt you being out all day and looking except that, you know, especially if you're if you're coming into June. You're going in June, right, Yep, you're within a couple three weeks of the summer solstice. I mean you're looking at some of the long ass days and on those kind of hunts, if you're pounding it and hiking an hour before daylight and then hiking an hour after daylight. Man, you are that's a long day in a short night, and you can just get worn out. So it's that thing where you have to balance, you know, and be trained up for it, but have to balance like, Okay, how worn out do I want to be, you know, by how much effort I'm putting out and balance that with like being on top of your game for prime time, you know, for those last three hours of the day. Because if you've just gone hard for three days really for no you know, well I don't want to say for no reason, but again, you've worn yourself out, and then all of a sudden you're not like giving it one hundred and ten percent on the third day from you know, five pm till eight pm, you might be missing out. Yeah, So let's start with the optics you have on your list. Sig Zulu nine eleven by forty five's you're gonna have the stuffed in the FHF fob Buyo Harness, which is super nice, super comfy. If you haven't checked that out, check it out. You got the sig Oscar eight eighty millimeter spotting scope. You're gonna have that on top of a h Slick six twenty four tripod with the outdoorsman's pan head. Of course you got the Outdoorsman's bino adapter for your tripod, and um, the all in digi sculping set up for doing something digi sculping. Talk me through, Like, I think we're on the same page with you know, obviously tripod mounted optics for finding h critters, But what um is your Do you use the sculpe more for finding the bears or more for judging bears? More for judging bears? For me, they are hard things to judge if you want to shoot a nice one, and uh, I think being able to zoom in tight and get a good look at their head and some of their bodily features. Um, it's worth carrying the scope for me. And honestly it's just hard for me to leave a spotting scope behind. I just like being able to uh, you know, even deer or elk or whatever else you've seen out there, just being able to look at him. Um, I like doing that. But yeah, moly, mostly scary carrying the scope to h to judge them, and then I mean even some you know, sometimes at long distances, it's nice just having the scope to to glass around and pick out some things in a discent hillside. Yea, yeah, you know some people do it. Jason Phelps does that a whole bunch man, And I just I've tried it, and I just like closing that one eye like that and just looking through that single scope. I can't do it for more than ten minutes and I start to get a headache from squinting. Maybe I just needed tough enough and do it some more. But I don't know. UM question I have for you, how do you tell me what pack you're using and then tell me for all of this optics stuff, drypods, you know, uh, spot sculps. How are you carrying all that stuff on that on that pack or in that pack? I guess. Yeah. So I I've started to like test out a lot of backpacks, which has been really fun. So I got a couple of, like far as I can choose from. I've been running the new XOK four frame a little bit with some of their new bags, which has been nice. And then the Stone Glacier Crux frame has been super nice as well, like just fits my body really good. So I like to have packs like for many one of those companies, the bag size is going to be around five thousand cubic inchest for me. It's like that's even like backpack status for a lot of people as far as how big that is. But it's like we'll get down to the clothing list, but a lot of that stuff is like kind of bulky, and just being able to carry everything inside the bag is nice. So optics wise, like I am my spotting scope inside the bag for the most part, and then I think my tripod's pretty hardy, so I just keep that strapped to the outside. One thing I wanted to bring up that I do if I'm like walking down a ridge, like you know, stopping and glassing a lot, or I think I want to look through my scope really quick, I'll leave my spotting scope on my tripod, like hooked up on my tripod head, and then I'll strap it to the back of my pack. So the tripod is like laying horizontal along the lid, and then it's all like hooked up, ready to rock. I just need to un clip it real quick, spread the legs out, and then yeah, I got my scope. So that's uh. It's something that I definitely messed around with a lot and usually won't like I'll have like especially in that in those exo packs. I like that one vertical zipper on the outside that I'll put my spotter in and then I'll have my tripod one of those just along the sides. It just seems like more often than not where your look at game is fleeting, and not because he might have even spooked it, but just because you know, you spot him and the herd just happens to be going over the ridge, or it happens it's like late morning and they happen to be going into the timber, and literally seconds count because if you get that thing out real quick and you put it on that bear as he's walking into the timber and you're like, holy shit, that looked like a big bore, your decision is made for the day. You're like, we're camping right here. Or you might move a little bit to get a better advantage or get within range or whatever, but like you got a plan where if you're fumbling around and you don't do it and you just looked at him through handheld you know, tens you're like, yeah, I don't know, was it good? Maybe, And then you know you're kind of indecisive and you don't know. So I feel like having like a super solid you know, a system for getting to your spot or quickly is important. All right, So anything else you want to add about your optics setup, I don't think so, um that all in digit scoping case, we get questions about digit scoping like all the time, and uh, that's a new product. I think it hit the market last year. And man as far as speediness to get your phone on your scope and like not have to mess with the alignment, there's not another one I found that is quicker than that thing. No, agree, I used, But for a long time I used a before there was even such a thing as digiscope cases on iPhones, I had a h like a point and shoot camera that had a we would I would go and buy UH compatible filters for like UM for a different sized lens and filters that you could screw together, and we would knock out the glass and you would take one side of it and basically glue it to a like a PBC pipe fitting that would fit over your the eyepiece of your spotting scope. And then you'd take the other threaded piece and glue that as centered as you could to a point and shoot camera and then that way you could basically screw the your little connector piece to the camera and then pop it onto the spotting sculle um. A bunch of us used to do that down in Arizona before it came out, but then since then I went to phone Scope, and then last year at least this is when I got them. I got a mag view, use that on the caribou hunt that we did, and then shortly after it got the all in. Its spelled oll i in, but they pronounced it all in M and one hundred percent by far, you are telling the truth that all in. It just snaps on there. It uses the magnet just like the mag view, but it's like perfectly centered every single time. I don't know exactly how they did that, how they work those magnets to make it, but it is. There's no more like, oh, I'm kind of off left to right, or I'm kind of off up and down. I've got a vignette in the upper right hand corner. You just put it on there, and it is money. It is like I'm I'll just got like once you try it, you will never go back. You'll never go back. No, Yeah, And that's why I wanted. That's why I wanted to talk about it, because it's certainly like it's really worth the worth a shot. And uh yeah, I just think back to how many times I've thrown my phone or been messing with my phone, like trying to get on a deer or something, and h gosh, just been like, not only do you miss you know you're messing around with like trying to to center that thing to make sure you get footage of him. Not only do you miss that, but you miss other times you could just been looking at him with your eyes and getting a better feel for what they are. So yeah, just again, seconds matter, man, Just like being ready with your spotting scope. This is another time when seconds are crucial and it's so good to get. My buddy Jay Scott always says this, like, don't worry about getting pictures because you don't know how it's going to be facing what angle you're getting, Like, just run a video, get your hands off of it so that it's not shaky, and you can always you know, move around through the video and stop it and pause it and take screenshots. But get as much video as you can because you're probably gonna get different angles, you know, if it's a buck, hopefully you get to see you know, one side and then the rear view and the front view. But you have videos where it's at with that. Man. Yeah, all right, water bottle. You had the Yetti Yonder water bottle here and uh, I'm like, what's wrong with analogene, Jordan Man. Part of it is the Yonder bottle is new and I had to try it. But uh, one thing I like about it as far as like I always run Analogene pocket on my pack. They're like fit to the size of a you know, regular analogene bottle. Sometimes with one hand, they're like a pain to get in and out and that YETI is like ever so slightly uh not as big around, and it's a little bit taller than a normal nalogene, so much easier to get out of in and out of there. And I still don't think it's like um like loose sloppy, like's like it's going to fall out. Um. But uh yeah, that's one thing I like. Another thing I like is with a nalgene. Uh, it's like you know, the wide mouth. Sometimes it's not hard to drink out of um, but it's it'd be hard to drink out sometimes, like just the wide mouth being able to drink out of. It can be you can just get water on you whatever. I used to get a thing called a cap cap from human gear. It's called a cap cap. It's basically a cap that's the size of like in the wide mouth nalogene screws on, and then on that cap there's another smaller cap with like just a smaller hole to drink out of, So just a little easier to drink out of. The YETI like already has that built in. So once you figure the price, the I think the YETI is like ten bucks over what a normal nalogene is. But once you get a normal nalogene and then you buy that cap cap lid, you're basically the same price. Their cap is supposed to be leakproof. I haven't had any issues with that so far. I've have had troubles with my nalogenes leaking before out of the lid. But as far is like the the materials from what I could find, it's they're using basically the same stuff. It's like a BPA free plastic, but you're also carrying a hydro pack three leader water cell. Yeah, the the Eddie is only a leader. So if I'm gonna go, you know, up for the day, I'd like to carry more than the leader of water with me. So that hydro pack basically it's just a small little water bladder like in there. It's only three leaders. It just rolls up to basically nothing. If you're not using it, and then you get to a stream or something, you can fill it up, fill the fill your water bottle from that and then stare a pin it and roll So you didn't carry a staupen too, just in case you gotta refill out of the creek. Yeah, yeah, I think that's a I think that's a good idea. You don't know what kind of situation you're going to get yourself in in the afternoon. Okay, you got on your list a NW, which I'm guessing is Northwest retention. Yeah, West retention chess holder with a sig P three sixty five XL and nine millimeter. Yeah. Uh, why you are you? Are you hunting grizz country? Why are you carrying a pistol? Not hunting grizz country? Man? A lot of it is like for one, sometimes a lot of the time I'll have my cross folded up on my pack. Um, if I'm walking in and uh, oftentimes you just get away from your rifle somehow. You know you're up like glass in for all afternoon. You walk over the hill to like go glass another little area or whatever. You don't take your rifle with you, which like seems ridiculous as I talk about it. So there's that and then a lot of time times like I'm hunting by myself and it's more of a comfort thing I think for me than than maybe so much as like a predator deal. But man, you never know. You see videos of those mountain lions chasing people with the old Instagram. It seems to be a mountain lion creeping down on somebody just about once a week. Yeah. Yeah, if I was in Grazs Country, i'd carried ten mil um like we did when we were in Alaska. Yea all right rifle. You're going six six hour cross and six five creed more And yeah, I own that rifle too. I haven't killed an animal with it yet, I'm packing it around. Um, I like I like carrying it. Yeah. Um, but you feel like six five creed more is all you need for a black bear. I feel like it is. You know, like I think black bears the other black brother that I've killed a shout with a seven mag The vitals on a bear sit back a little bit further than like a deer and elk, so I don't feel like I'm gonna really have to hug the shoulder and or like want to try to punch through the shoulder. I just want to get lungs, so in that area of the body, I feel like it's pretty soft. You know. There's like a lot of game and fish websites and such like their minimums. What they recommend is like a thousand foot pounds energy for a bear at the target, and I'm good with that basically out to five hundred yards. I think at four hundred yards, I'm like thirteen hundred foot pounds. So, um, I feel like if I can keep four hundred and in get a good broadside shot that I don't have any troubles. I won't have any troubles with that. And a good bullet. That Accubond is good bullet and has been a good bullet for me. I've killed a few deer with it, and um, yeah, I feel pretty confident about it. Yeah, I love that one hundred and forty grain Nausler accubond in the six five. I used to pack two hundred grain accubons into a three hundred Winchester shortmag and that was my elk killing gun for quite a few years. And uh yeah, I always had great luck with the accubon. Yeah. Well, how do you feel on that creed More? Yeah, you know, um, I know there's talk out there that people are saying it's not enough gun for certain critters, and you know it's a little bit puny. Um. You know again, you got to know the you got. You have to have your expectations set properly. You gotta know your limitations. Like you just said, like you know, how many footpounds you have at four hundred yards, sounds like you're gonna, you know, kill him is dead there. You know that bullet as anything else. So yeah, I think it's plenty. I think I've only shot deer sized well with the six five creed More. Yes, but I've shot three giant cow elk with a six five fifty five swee, which is even a little bit slower than the six five creed More. But same bullets, you know, same same weight and bullets and have had amazing results, Like two hundred fifty yards giant cow elk takes three steps, tips over and is dead. So yeah, I think I think you'll be good. Depends, like I said, it's expectations. Man, do you want to you know, is it gonna knock that bear off its feet? Probably not? If you're looking for that, Yeah, you probably need to go to three hundred. Um, you know, just just you know, hit him with some more weight. But I think that. Man, I sure like shooting these a little bit lighter calibers because they're just easier to shoot. I can, especially now run in a side islandser I can stay in my sculpe and watch that bullet hit. So I'm gonna be way better and way faster on a follow up shot if needed. Um. Yeah, like it? Yeah, all right, you're you're topping it with a sig whiskey six three to eighteen scope. Um, any any particular reason you picked that one? Man? It's I used it on my sheep hunt last or two years ago, and I've used it like a bit since. And man, it's just like it's a it's a compact scope, it's twenty three ounces, it has like it hasn't exposed turret, which I like. Um. I like being able to dial and has a more compact turret, doesn't stick up as much as some some other ones. UM, So that's one reason I like it too. And it just has performed really well for me. Seems to be durable. Um, the dialing is pretty positive. So yeah, so I about that one. I think the three to eighteen I really like that that range of power for a scope, like three power, you can really turn it down, like really widen your field of view up and just if you're in tight on something or if you just need to find something like just trying to acquire some backing out, being able to back that far out is nice. And then the eighteen is a sweet spot too. I think like that eighteen to twenty power right in there has been a sweet spot for me. I grew up on three to nine's and I just think you bump up that power a bit to like a fifteen or twenty, you can just be so much more precise on your shot with a higher power and you don't always have to use all the power too. So that's something I like about. Oh No, and like we learned maybe we haven't talked about this than anybody yet. But in the past talking to the optics guys. You know, it's like anything at max you know, power on a scope. It's just like redlining your car, right, Can it do that? Yes? Is it going to perform optimum? No? So if you have an eighteen or twenty top end, then at twelve and fifteen you've got this amazing you know, clear quality, you know, clear picture. Everything's great. We're on three to nine. Once you you know, jam it all the way to nine, you're sort of at the the upper end of its capabilities and you're starting to lose you know, focus, light gathering capabilities. It's just not performing, you know, at its optimum. So yeah, there's a reason right there to you know, even though you might never dial to twenty, it's good to have that upper end there so that at fifteen you know you've got you've got an amazing uh picture, Yeah you're looking. Yeah it short action precision two roundholder. I've seen this thing on your rifles. Six the side of your rifle. You stick two rounds in there, and um, I want you to explain why you why you run that more like a just in case I need two rounds. Like, if you lose a magazine or something, you can single feed those two. Um, I can't. I can't imagine where. Yeah, if you have a five round magazine, I can't imagine where I need more than five for anything. But um, a couple of times, Kyle Hunting, I have like not refilled my mag and I've had two and like shot a couple of times and got another shot and been like oh shit and been able to pull around out of that and just single feed it. Um it's I don't know, it's probably a little overkill. Um it kind of looks cool on the side of that thing, but uh, I don't know. Well, I mean, here's a question, how many how many when you go on this day hunt for bears? How many cartridges are you carrying? Total? I would probably just have a five round bag, five plus the two though, yeah, and nothing in your pack? No, Yeah, So you're going in seven And I think that like most of us, I think usually fall in that seven to ten range of you know, how many you're packing around with you? And yeah, it's like, where are you gonna put those two rounds? You could put them in your pocket, but I hate having two or three rounds jingle jangling around in my pocket. Yeah. Um, it's annoying, it's noisy, it's making noise. You're not being stealth, uh so Yeah, having a little slick spot like that. Um. Like, I've had those stock packs in the past that have the it's like a pocket, but on the inside your pocket it's got the little AMMO sleeves and uh I like that set up too, and kind of for the same reason. You know all your ammos there. If you do run through your five rounds in your mag, then you know you can refill right there. You don't have to all of a sudden go, oh my gosh, where where did I put those into my pack? What pocket are they in? Yeah, don't use them very often, but when you need them, you're really gonna need them. Type of a deal. Yeah. You also had on your list FHF gun case strapped to the back of the pickup seats. Have you run that back there yet? Yeah, dude, I like a lot. Yeah, I've got the really short one. I remember how long that one is. But it's the short one and it fits the cross perfect as long as you don't have like a can on it or something. Yeah, it's just something you really don't think about. I'm used to just you know, like a like a cheap, cheap gun case. But if just the amount of things you can do with that fh one is um pretty nice. Having it on the back of your seats, gets it off the floor. People can sit in the back seats. You don't have to worry about it so much. Um. Yeah, it's been nice. Yeah, that was my question because I haven't set up mine yet in the back of the truck. But is there still enough room where you could sit in the backseat and that thing's not going to be up in your grill? Yeah, if you were super tall, I think that like your knees could hit it. Um, but I I wouldn't. Um suppose it depends how big your backseat is too. Um yeah, but yeah it's a good good product for sure, all right. Clothes Yeah, pretty standard for Meum, the Wick hoodie, the Wick boot top bottoms to match it, and then core get Foundry pants. Pretty standard, the Origin hoodie, the Catalyst jacket. One thing about the Catalyst jacket. A lot of some people, for like back country scenarios, don't believe in soft shells for some reason. Um, But in that early, Like we were talking about, you don't really know what you're gonna get weather. A lot of times it's just kind of like jury cold, might be windy. Having that catalyst jacket over the top of a fleece when you're like walking around on ridges, it can just be super comfortable. I just really like that setup. Then I'm gonna be taking a jacket. I'm just gonna we got told that we could tease it out a little bit. There's a new jacket that's basically combining a puffy jacket with a rain jacket that's gonna be coming out and I think that is like a perfect jacket for this kind of situation where you're gonna be glassing a lot, sitting, you're gonna be on a ridge. For sure, want to have a puffy jacket with you more than like you're probably gonna need a rain jacket. And with that, with that setup, just having like a rain jacket doesn't matter if it's this one or just a rain jacket in general, it's your it's windproof also, so even if it's not raining it's super windy, I like throwing a rain jacket on. And so when you take this combo puffy rain gear. You're not taking rain gear and or a rain jacket, and you're not taking any other puffy for insulation. Your insulation at that point just gonna be that jacket. And then you're yeah, origin hoodie. Really it's gonna be it yea, and what else what else you got on there? I think if the un I'm gonna bring the lunka padre pants, the puffy pants. That's something that is kind of like a floating thing in my pack that I could just leave in the vehicle. If it's tends to be like warmer in the afternoon, Um, I could leave out for sure, Almond rain pants. Man. Again, like, even if it's not going to rain a lot of times it's just wet wherever you're sitting, being able to throw rain pants on and keep dry is like huge keeps the wind cut off. You M that's great. Usually take a couple pairs of gloves with me catalysts gloves and then the heavier alpine gloves. UM, I like that combo or just having those two with me. Um furnace beanie just regular ball cap. And then for boots, those Crispy Bristol pro boots that they have two hundred grams of insulation in them, and that's a pretty sweet spot for me. So it's kind of my clothing layout. And just like you're saying before, you could take this thing and go LK hunting with it, like, there's not much that would change in that, right, Yeah, I think the only yeah, the only thing that, yeah, it might change. I don't know if I was going backpacking, I don't know if i'd be any lighter or heavier. I gotta look at my list, but yeah, I think you can go a little bit heavier on a day hunt, right because you know you're you know, going in, coming out, and it's not like you gonna have to carry that stuff for days on end. Yeah. I think maybe for like a backpack hunt, I might for multiple nights of backpack hunting, I might not take a catalyst jacket. Um. That's pretty much it I think for me. All right. Uh, some smaller items in reach Mini two for sure, Statellite communications emergencies, your Petzel active core head lamp or golly trek and polls tarp yep. Yeah, nine ounces nine by five Um, that I think is a great call man on a bear hunt, Like the conditions we've been describing it so nice to have a little tarp set up a little you know, you get yourself a nice glassing location, and then if you have that tarp, it's like, no matter what blows in, you're in there staying comfy. And even if you have rain gear, it's like even the best rain gear after a while it starts to wed out. It's you know, it's better to keep all that gear dry. Um and and yeah, it's like always much better to spend into weather out of storm under a tarp that weighs, you know, just over a half a pound versus just standing there under a tree, you know, taking it on your rain jacket. Yeah, yeah, for sure. I love that thing to just simply block wind like it can just do wonders. I usually bring a coffee kit with me for the days i've been. Last year I bought MSR Pocket Rocket Deluxe and uh I got a Tokes five fifty milliter cup. The total weight of both those things is like six ounces, and that's unreal, oh man. I went from a system that probably weighed maybe twelve to that, and it just seems like a world of difference, and so definitely not scared to take to carry that with me. Yeah. I also like I threw on my list a little ten ounce mug like the Yeddy ones. One one reason I like though, is because like that little Tokes five fifty meal cup. It like the thing it's not paper thin, but it's like really thin, and it gets cold like instantly. So if you don't just want to feel like you have to chug your your coffee or tea or whatever, um, having somewhat of an insulated cup, it's been really nice. And I would say that's like more of a thing that I would bring if I was hunting with other people. Um, but definitely an insulated cup of some kind over those little stainless ones, Like they just get cold so fast. Yeah, it's kind of I'm guessing I don't know, I've never seen a Tokes cup, but I'm guessing it's it's probably a titanium yeah, yeah, yeah, they also make a stainless one. I don't remember which one I have, but yeah, they're so thin that. The other problem with him is too is like when the stuff is hot in there, that the titanium or whatever it is, stainless steel. Um, they're like super conductors and so you get your hot coffee and then you put your lips to that to that cup and just burns you. You know, it's wicked. Yeah. So yeah, I don't feel like there's like the perfect solution yet to that, because the only time I like skip carrying a little insulated mug, and I still just use like an old school ARII plastic one if it's gonna be warm enough where I'm like, you know what, I'm not really that interested in drinking hot stuff. The only reason I have the pot and the stove is to for really for cooking dinners, you know, for just rehydrating meals, um. You know. Then I'll then I'll skip it, you know, and if I want, I can drink some lukewarm water, you know, if if I want to make that into tea or whatever. But yeah, otherwise, if you're gonna sit around and enjoy a hot drink, you might as well just bring that little insulated cup with Yeah. Yeah, it does make it a little nicer climate. Air sitting pad. Gotta have one of those, because you're just gonna be sitting there pound in the glass. Yeah, yeah, I gotta have it. Usually I use just like I think most people use, like those thermores little like phone pads. But I got this little climate. It's like just a blow up little air pad like seat, man, so nice. It cannot be that durable, but I've had it for three seasons now, using it kind of on and off, and it's been good for me. Man. I had a therm arrest one of those, and it just never seemed to quite hold air air as well as I wanted to. Maybe they've prob I'm sure they've got made it better because this thing's old. There's things at least ten fifteen years old. So nothing against therm Arrest. They make great products, but um, I just feel like putting that much pressure on the air, you know, it could be the difference just in our size. You know, I'm putting a lot more pressure being a two hundred pound person than you are. But you who um all right? Our Galli game bag set, the Montana Knife Company, Stone goat knife, and an outdoor edge everyday Carrie knife. Always good to have two knives well back up, I think so yeah, And having like that having a fixed blade and then having a replaceable blade is kind of nice. And that replaceable blade that EDC one, I just like that is just the knife that I carry my pocket knife for the back country. So mum, then you got a first aid kit and um some other little essentials like fire starter, tenacious tape for fixing gear, three standard stuff. I would say, yeah, turnique, Yeah, stuff you just got to have with you at all times. Yeah. What do you carry all that stuff in? Now? Do you have like a is it just a like a synergy bag from FHFF or do you have one of those organizer deals? It is just a synergy a little synergy bag. Yeah, I U. I take that back. I had it in a Synergy bag and then I started carrying it one thing. Some stuff like that is like I have a lot of stuff in the little synergy bags and then they all look the same to every to anybody else is trying to get my pack. So yea, if some ever happened and somebody else was trying to find my first aid kid, they'd be rummaging through some stuff. And actually Leah brought it up. She's like, something ever happened to you, I'd be like rummaging through all this stuff trying to figure out where the hell your first aid kid is. Um, so I just got a little sea the summit, like one of those tiny little rolltop dry bags. I got a red one and I wrote first Aid on it in marker. There you go. So that's where that stuff lives now. But now you know, if you ever run into Jordan, she's down in the back country, red red package in her backpack has first aid gear And yeah, yeah it does all right, total packway, extra clothing and binoculars and pistol in there, no rifle, no water in there. And yet twenty four pounds. I feel like that's pretty good, man, especially considering all the optics that you're that you're packing in there. That's the heavy stuff, man. Yeah, twenty four pounds. You add add three liters of water in there, you're about thirty. So I don't know, but I look back through that list and I don't know what I would take out, you know, even my coffee. It's like you're gonna save ten ounces with a if you have a fuel canister. You know. I don't know if there's some things I could skim down on, but I feel pretty good about it. A couple thoughts on that one ounces add up to pounds, pounds add up to pain. But again being on day hunt you know, you can have the ability to adjust every evening, maybe even mid today if you happen to be back at the truck mid day. It happened. And it's like I always tell everybody, and I do it myself. It's like the first hunt of the year if it's been a while, I'm a little bit heavy. And after that first day out and you're back at camp, like you very quickly start going through there and be like, oh, you know what, I didn't make coffee today. It's the weather. It's not supposed to change the next two days. Like leaving the coffee back, you know, or you know what, never took that soft shell out of the pack, had plenty with me, with the other layers I had, you know, it's gone, and all of a sudden, like it just seems like every hunt I go on. As the hunt progresses, you're just like, okay, I can I think I'll just do with one knife, you know, yeah, And like, because you know, it really does. When you take a couple things here and there drop them out, all of a sudden, you went from twenty four pounds down to twenty you know, maybe even under, and it makes a difference. And against that fine balance. I think between having the stuff to keep you comfortable and keep you out there, but not carrying so much that you're also wearing yourself out that could cause you to be tired and make it harder to stay out there. All good points. Anything you'd add to the whole list is this how far I have I've gotten with my bear hunt gear list? And again it's that special little list I was talking about where it's it's not all of the hunting stuff that Jordan just talked about, but these are specifically like just small. They don't have to be small, I guess, but just specific items that I feel like I would really gain an advantage by having these with me on a bear home. Okay, Number one already talked about it as a book, but I wrote down reading materials upload to phone. It's like these days it's very easy to upload a book to a phone, so or you can probably even you know, download your favorite magazine so you don't have to be carrying the weight of an extra book. You've got reading material in there. I have sunflower seeds on there. And when Jordan had a list of snacks, I just I just breezed over it. Yeah, but some of our seeds are it's not even I mean, sure you're getting some salt out of it. Maybe there's a few calories too, but it's one of those things should be right there. I should have chewing gum on there too. But I feel like on these bear hunts, long days and there's combs of time where everybody's gonna fight a little bit of boredom, and you can bust out a bag of sunflower seeds and all of a sudden, everybody's you know, spitting shells around and getting some salt in and a nice way to pass. Even if it's just you know, twenty thirty minutes, it gets you closer to the magic hour umbrella. You know, I don't know if I would go umbrella and tart probably, but it's a thought. These days, you can get some incredibly light umbrellas. And again even with ice rang gear. Man, if you're like really gonna experience a heavy deluge, like pop that thing up and you can keep you know, it's like it's basically like just having a little mini tarp ball sun boom, just you know, in a second, popped up keeping your gear dry. You know, a lot of times we have cameras and stuff with us. You can pop that up and still be working with something and getting it tucked away. Um and uh so yeah, umbrella could be cool. And then a predator call, um, you know, the dying jack rabbit whatever you want to call it. Uh, you know, it's just that kind of standard predator call. If you have a bear that you know goes into timber on you, you're within range and and you're thinking, man, be sure nice, I can maybe get him back out, like a predator call, can get that bear to stick his nose back out of the timber and give you another opportunity for a shot. Man, I didn't think about that. Yeah, good one. Now I'm not blowing on one of those things in grizz country. Yeah, but if I know there's not a grizz, or at least I think there's not a grizz within you know, fifty hundred miles. Uh. I like I like rocking the predator call. Wait that rounds me out? Nice list. I hope you hope, you hope you get a Have you killed a bear before? Killed one bear? One bear? I yet to get one. Did you? You went with Clay a couple of years ago? Yeah, yeah, play put me on a nice one and I did not make a good shot. He was going to disappear in the canyon bottom and you know, I took a strong quarter in two shot and I think I just missed him a little bit, right, I mean he's still you can watch there's a video of it. You can watch Clay and I go bear hunting and you can see I hit him. But I think I pretty much like shot through his um front left leg um, but I don't think I entered, you know, the body cavity, kind of like he definitely felt it. He picks up his leg, runs off, but zero to no blood. You know, we've we did everything we could. But anyways, um and then yeah, I spent I spent a solid five six days hunting last year or two for a bear. Saw a bunch of bears. I think we saw like nine bears, but just not the one, um, you know, not just not a mature bore. So cool. Yeah, I'm excited to go this spring too. I'm going out with Corey Calkins. He's uh. I like hunting with these X hunting guides, especially when you get to hunt in the state they used to guide in because they usually have a couple of spots and a couple of tricks up there. Yeah I never hurt. Yeah, Yeah, I'm excited to get after it. Give a hell of a new area. Sweet sweet. All right, well, um, for you guys listening at home, remember to participate in the gear Talk podcast by you can email to gear Talk at the meteor dot com. You can to the episodes page which is at the meteor dot com going to podcasts, find gear Talk, find this particular episode or whatever episode you want to comment on. You can listen to the episodes there as well. But there's a comment thread there and Jordan I are on there answering questions, um, just being part of the conversation and getting getting ideas for for farther for new episodes. So um, please if you can participate, and obviously you can dm us on the old Instagram two. 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