00:00:00 Speaker 1: You're going on a western hunt, get ready physically mentally and find a team. Find the group of guys, girls, whatever that'll push you. Find some people that are you know, you can bounce some ideas off of. You don't have to be training in the exact same vicinity all the time, but every once in a while is great. And then if you can daily do a little check in, you know, we're all better together, stronger together. And so find a group of group of people that are going to push you physically out here the stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is In Pursuit, Ought to you by. 00:01:06 Speaker 2: In Pursuit, Episode two, Episode two. 00:01:10 Speaker 1: This episode two, this is actually for us, like what episode five or six, but this episode two is. 00:01:14 Speaker 2: It comes out. 00:01:15 Speaker 1: We're gonna do these little in between episodes, little tweeter episodes us talking about the guest a little bit, but also is just some expand on some things that we either learned from the guest or just I guess current events that are going on in house with us hunting right now. 00:01:35 Speaker 2: You know, it's it's. 00:01:38 Speaker 1: End of July, starting to get into some fitness, longer duration fitness, coming off your Angelo's literally leaving in two days for the crossfo Games to compete. 00:01:49 Speaker 2: Me and Bird are not, so you're not never have actually never have have you been to the Cross Games before? You're going? 00:01:57 Speaker 3: This your first time? 00:01:58 Speaker 2: First time? 00:01:59 Speaker 3: Or wow? 00:02:00 Speaker 1: All right, So we thought we do a little I thought I'd do a little intro of everybody. I mean, I was on the first episode. We did the episode with the handoff with Phelps, so I don't feel like I need to labor who I am. But Angelo give us a brief description of Angelo is a He's been with us since he was thirteen. You're now what I'll be twenty six tomorrow. I spoke at Angelo's middle school pe class, and then he hasn't left us alone ever since. Yep, so thirteen years, yep, thirteen years. 00:02:34 Speaker 3: Started just training, working out, I realized I wanted to compete, and realized very soon after that I wanted to coach more than I wanted to compete through mostly you and Darren. I guess just coach is a vague. 00:02:49 Speaker 2: Term, vague term mentor. 00:02:51 Speaker 3: Mentor leader. I wanted to lead all you people in a in a similar way that you guys did writing workouts. I really was in did in writing workouts, which was a good segue into my job. And yeah, I mean I really like crossing the brag. Is that a humble brag that I liked the right workouts? 00:03:12 Speaker 4: Did you say he was really good at it? 00:03:14 Speaker 3: Did I? 00:03:15 Speaker 2: I don't think so. Did you say did you say you was Yeah you did? 00:03:22 Speaker 3: Maybe cajun cajun taken? 00:03:26 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:03:27 Speaker 1: No? 00:03:27 Speaker 3: I yeah, right, I liked the write workouts And that's kind of I mean, so. 00:03:32 Speaker 2: Angela won the Games as a teen. 00:03:34 Speaker 1: Oh that two to three two time slice twice, so age group. There's a fourteen to fifteen and then a sixteen seventeen. You won in each you got second in each second. 00:03:44 Speaker 3: When I was fifteen, I won. When I was sixteen, I took a third. When I was seventeen, I won again, and then uh and then started competing. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: On Yeah, you took some time off there in the middle with a firefighter in town, or it was up until a couple of weeks ago. 00:04:00 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: Well I always joke that you did my life in reverse because I was a firefighter first. 00:04:04 Speaker 2: And then one of the games and then now you're on the team. 00:04:08 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:04:08 Speaker 2: And yeah, you guys training pretty hard. Yeah, you've you've done. 00:04:12 Speaker 3: Yeah since twenty two, been on the team since twenty two. You guys got fourth fourth last year? Yeah, fourth, last year? What did you get with Luke? 00:04:20 Speaker 2: Fifth? 00:04:21 Speaker 3: Fifth, fifth, seventh, fourth? Gotcha three top ten fishures? Pretty okay? 00:04:25 Speaker 2: Going for the top yep. So yep. 00:04:28 Speaker 1: So Angelo writes kind of the daily workouts for Mayhem Hunt. It's a collaborative ish effort, but Angelo kind of refines it all and make sure it's it's it's all packaged up and correct. 00:04:40 Speaker 3: Follows a theme I guess programs, you know. Yeah, yeah, first I mean yeah, like because you'll just do a workout and or like someone else will do a work on Scott to do a workout, and they'll send it to me and they'll say, hey, this is really good. Just find a way to fit this in. And then I just find ways to fit right. 00:04:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of look at it from different cycles or different times of the year from you know, programming standpoint, there's different phase is you got off season, you know early ish January through probably May, you're building strength and you know, doing different things. So there's some periodization, a little bit of science to it. But I mean, at its basis, it's CrossFit and it's highly our high intensity, it's functional movements, and we constantly vary it. But try to take out a ton of the high skill gymnastics because it's it's not super crucial that you're doing that. 00:05:29 Speaker 3: We're not training people for the crossway games and then for the mountains, for the mountains or the stand yeah, you know, and then yeah, like. 00:05:37 Speaker 2: Did I send you guys that article last year, Like, yeah, there was a record. 00:05:41 Speaker 4: High of didn't somebody die to. 00:05:43 Speaker 1: Several in Michigan? I think however many was like six or seven people died. 00:05:49 Speaker 3: Tech. 00:05:49 Speaker 2: So even Western hunter or Eastern hunters, you should be doing some fitness. 00:05:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I I do put a lot. I Actually it is more difficult. For sure. We don't have to get into it. We can talk about bird but about you talk, I can easily get into like some of the things that I do try to think about when I think about Eastern hunters. I don't think about only Western hunters, because that is only half of our country. I think about Eastern hunters as well. Bird myself, we do a lot more white tail. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: Hunting, so I did a lot lest year. 00:06:17 Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, no, you did, you did kidding, But like for for everyone that you, I feel like now, maybe it's not commonly known, maybe, but it is. More so you need fitness to Western hunt, and you need fitness to like if you're gonna go to Alaska like people, people hear that all the time, and you should know that if you think the opposite. 00:06:36 Speaker 2: You're wrong. 00:06:37 Speaker 3: Like there's just no other way around that. Eastern hunters there's a little bit less pressure on that, but there is still significant gains to being more fit. 00:06:46 Speaker 2: Fitter, you are easier. Everything is where you can suffer. The more, I. 00:06:50 Speaker 4: Mean, even the less you sweat. Yeah, get there if you're in better shape, walking. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: Does matter for me. 00:06:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you're sweaty guy. Uh you got that hyper hydrosis or whatever. 00:07:02 Speaker 2: It's I don't know that just staying there on. 00:07:04 Speaker 3: The rubber floor. Uh yeah, before I don't want to get to it in the weeds before we even talk about who. 00:07:13 Speaker 2: Bird. 00:07:15 Speaker 4: Well, I'm definitely like the fittest one here for sure. 00:07:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're the You're the everyday man's like connection to this hall for sure. 00:07:22 Speaker 2: People look it up. 00:07:24 Speaker 1: Well, they're like, well, I'm never gonna be a Crossway Games champion. I can never be you know, team champion, but I can be like that guy, I can be Bird. 00:07:31 Speaker 4: Yeah. So I'm definitely the most. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: Bird probably has the best squat in this group mobility wise, hangs out there. Yeah, mobility wise, you add five pounds though that squad Apparently the depth just goes away. 00:07:46 Speaker 3: I don't know what I understand it. 00:07:49 Speaker 4: It's okay. I'm also Angelo's coach. 00:07:51 Speaker 2: Angelo's coach, are you well? 00:07:53 Speaker 4: Not fitness wise, but I would say life coach life. 00:07:57 Speaker 3: That's the first time I'm hearing of it. 00:07:59 Speaker 1: You're his bass Yeah, my boss, no BERTI you've done We met in fourteen, around teen fourteen something like that. 00:08:07 Speaker 2: Did cross for it a lot? Or have done cross it a lot? Came up from Louisiana, what a year ago. 00:08:14 Speaker 4: To year year and a half. Yeah, And that's what I was gonna say. Even like with me hunting, there was a time period I did a hunted growing up with my stepdad, and then he kind of left and then I stopped hunting for a while. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: Sad story. 00:08:28 Speaker 4: Uh yeah, but probably when I was twenty nine to thirty, I worked at a church for twenty years. Some stuff happened, and then people started moving away, and I made a decision to stay, and I was like, if I'm gonna stay, I'm gonna take advantage of living here because other than like LSU, there's not much to do in Louisiana. So that's when I decided, Okay, I'm gonna start hunting a lot now because the outdoors is what Louisiana has. So just started hunting swamp deer and no, Turkey's where I lived, only North Louisiana. 00:09:02 Speaker 1: Okay, you got it really into Turkey, Huntey, I did. 00:09:06 Speaker 4: I did, but I still had to travel two or three hours from my house. But yeah, and then from there moved here a year and a half ago. So it is too we can talk about once you're talking about programming, like the first probably year I went Western hunting. First of all, where I'm from. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: This year was your first Western Uh. 00:09:26 Speaker 4: Where I'm from, Nobody even like dreams about going Western hunting. It's not like a thing. So even to be able to do that, it's super cool. It's just nobody thinks they can do it, so to do that's cool. But then training no year before last was my first training when we went to Sam's compared to last year, and just the difference of because before I went to Sam's, I just did every Day Hero. Compared to last year was like night and day. Different as far as the programming. 00:09:59 Speaker 1: Well, and what you're talking about is we used to have or we still have Angelo programs and Everyday Hero track. So it's similar ish to Hunt and it's like DNA per se, but it's it's a Hunt is way more specialized outdoors, where Everyday Hero still has some gymnastics, still has some of that stuff. It's more for military, police fire. I would say even police fire a little bit more, but military a ton. 00:10:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, And Hunt is really I think catered towards military as well. 00:10:26 Speaker 1: But and so you you did that, and and you were in Louisiana. You didn't have any altitude to work with, you didn't have any hills. You pushed the sled a lot. Yeah, I pushed the sled. 00:10:38 Speaker 4: I think it was funny, like we were in Leadville last week in the elevations ten thousand. The slab on my house because I built houses was thirteen feet thirteen feet. Yeah, wow, so it was a bit different. 00:10:54 Speaker 3: It's a little different. 00:10:55 Speaker 2: So yeah, I pushed the sled a lot. 00:10:57 Speaker 4: But even knowing stuff I know, compared to then, like I told Angela the other day, walking around Leadville and just up the hill, just the slow grind if you come from that, just like light pound on a sled and just push three hundred feet, you know, it would be super beneficial to walking up a hill. 00:11:19 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:11:19 Speaker 1: You know, every time we go to the mountains, I I as we're doing you know, climbing, going after something, walking back, I'm always thinking about, all right, what movement could we do or how could we add it? And there's just so much benefit to not only are you programming you know, based off of the science of it and thinking about it, but being out there and actually doing the activity makes you know, makes the job way better, makes the programming way better. So yeah, we talked a little bit about Kip and a couple of takeaways. One of the main things that I took away from that was the fact that they almost they of you guys before they head out there, and you know, if they're not physically or mentally prepared, they almost won't even take them yea. 00:12:06 Speaker 2: And so you know that's our goal with what we do. 00:12:11 Speaker 1: You know, we want to make sure guys, girls, whoever's going out there, there's no. 00:12:16 Speaker 2: Question, right you're not. 00:12:17 Speaker 1: That's not even something you're thinking about, is Hey, am I going to be able to make it out here? Am I going to be able. 00:12:25 Speaker 2: To hang physically? 00:12:27 Speaker 1: And then in what we do physically and the training that we do, it's hard, right, It's not easy. You know, people look at it like that's that's too hard, But there's something to be said about the mental side of what we do and suffering and enduring pain to the physical side of it, right yep. 00:12:45 Speaker 3: Yeah. And then like I try to program, I try to program relatively often either a partner workout or a one to one workout, which we like to do, or I'm going I do my set, you do your set. We just go back and forth each time. And I put this in the notes a lot that yeah, you could just rest the amount of time it took you, but having a partner to do it back and forth with way better, and like you talk about liking to hunt with a team and have I mean, obviously there's a there's probably especially Western Eastern. 00:13:16 Speaker 2: Hunting is a little bit tough to hunt with two people, sure, but Western. 00:13:19 Speaker 3: For sure, having like three or four guys that you trust and you do you like to hunt with, you trust their opinions helps a ton and just makes the day, like especially if the days start to like grind on or or if you're I mean, we've done the public land thing where those days grind on. 00:13:34 Speaker 1: So like Angela's only experience out west was not a great experience. 00:13:38 Speaker 3: Like you, you want people there that have good opinions and that you trust their opinion, that you want to listen to and and kind of bounce ideas off of. And then that there's nothing there's no better like bond you can make with like your friends than like when you're sharing that suffering and so like doing it in the gym and then you go out to hunt, like you just have way more trust any each other when you're doing that. 00:14:01 Speaker 1: I would say, even not even just partner workouts or team workouts, but just working out with people at the same time in the same proximity, doing the same workout because we're all at different levels, right, and there may be movements that you're better at. There may be movements that Bird is better at, and so. 00:14:18 Speaker 3: Like probably not, but there's movements that we might better at. And then there's all the movements in. 00:14:23 Speaker 2: That I don't know not anymore. 00:14:26 Speaker 1: But and so you know, there's just something to be said about you know, like me and Bird will do a workout and he might go a touch lighter, or we go a different height on a box or whatever that is. You know, it's we all know though that they're they're hurting just as bad as we are. And then you know, if you are hunting in a group, if you can train together in a group, that's incredible. 00:14:48 Speaker 2: Right, but you can still like virtually share stuff. 00:14:50 Speaker 1: So we've got to you know, a Mayhem hunting group that will share workouts every day or every other couple of days. It's at Taylor's awe or kind of trails off during the off season. But it's starting to fire back up. Actually have a pretty good one. You shit at me and Watkins did. I'll share that to the group. You know, a little taste of Maam hunt. But we did fifty burpie box get overs forty eight inches. You do a burpie, get up and over to the box however you want. And then we ran a mile it's like one point six five miles out here in the trail, and then fifty burpie box get overs. And at first we did like follow the leader, and so you'd go up and over, he'd go up and over, back and back. And then we didn't run together. We were gonna run together, and I kind of ran off and left him, and then we got back and I just started chipping away at the burpies and then he did his. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: But it was terrible. It's hot too, it's hot this time of year. 00:15:40 Speaker 3: I remember we did a workout very similar to that in mart with a ruck on we had misinterpreted to the workout. I don't know how it happened, but it was pretty basically the same workut that you're saying, but it was with the thirty pound ruck and it took fourever. It took forever, and like you're in like a slipping slide out there after as we're working out, we're doing, you know, freaking burpies on the rubber. It's one hundred degrees outside Oh my gosh. That was like two years ago. I remember, and I was like, this can't be right. This workouts way too. 00:16:11 Speaker 2: Way too hard. 00:16:15 Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say with Kip two for one, it's super for me. It's always interesting to talk to like super successful people and just get you know, how they think and all that. So that was impressive just to have him in. And then the biggest two takeaways from it is which I wish we would have dove in more when he was like rich people are soft. 00:16:43 Speaker 2: I wish I could have. 00:16:44 Speaker 4: Asked more questions about that. Didn't But then how I know, and he I honestly got kind of deep for a minute, but he was like he hasn't recently. He was in Alaska, like sat on a cliff and just looked out by himself and that was the first time he's ever felt successful in his life. That's crazy, Yeah, because if you think about everything he's done to that point, it's like, Okay, now you're actually not doing anything. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, now like yeah, from the world's eyes, they would say this guy's that is he is as successful and he's been successful, and like why is he just now feeling that? 00:17:22 Speaker 4: Yeah? But it is cool how like your life. I guess everything in your life adds up to a moment, so like all this stuff makes you who you are, you know, and now that he's there, so you can't discount goods and bads in your life for sure, because it makes you who you are today. But then just knowing it's like, Okay, this is what maybe this is what I grinded so hard. 00:17:48 Speaker 1: Well, this is you know, this is the what I worked for. But you you don't know that till you know that, right. 00:17:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, it's very interesting. I think the more you get worldly, the less it matters. It seems like like like I mean, I feel like we'll all do pretty well, but you like you start to yeah, they're just like it doesn't matter. You think, I go when I get that next thing or when I get there, like, oh that'd be cool. And then after, in my opinion, when I started to those things started to accumulate, it's like, oh, okay, it's never really gonna matter that much. 00:18:25 Speaker 1: I think it's perspective, right, And as you get more you realize how worthless those things are really, and that the the what you know it's truly worth it when you don't have those things. 00:18:35 Speaker 2: It's easy to say that, right. 00:18:37 Speaker 1: But once again, I think it's you know, to go back to where he was talking about rich people are soft, and that's why I think it's important. 00:18:47 Speaker 2: I mean, if you look. 00:18:48 Speaker 1: At you know, a high percentage of Americans, it's way easier here than it is, oh yeah everywhere else, you know, and there's obviously there's people hurting and all those things. 00:18:59 Speaker 3: But I think, I sorry, real quick to touch on it. I think if you make like thirty thousand dollars a year, you're in the top one percent of earners in the whole world. 00:19:06 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:19:07 Speaker 3: So yeah, and so in America has it pretty well. 00:19:09 Speaker 1: And so we talk about doing hard things and finding you know, challenges and physical challenges. So you know, I have not competed in three years at the CrossFit Games, but doing lead Bill the last two years was a challenge, right. It was something that I have to do going out West, having something to prepare for, and you know, the twenty four hour mountain bike, the twenty four hour row we do that bird didn't do last year. 00:19:35 Speaker 2: You know, you did have Little Fomo you said I. 00:19:38 Speaker 4: Would have done it. I would have done. 00:19:40 Speaker 2: That bike bike race. Not so much you're not there yet. 00:19:43 Speaker 4: I mean, I'm from Louisiana. It's all flat grown. Still, Viking is not a thing. 00:19:48 Speaker 2: It's easier when it's flatter. 00:19:50 Speaker 3: You guys are having shrimp boils and stuff. 00:19:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. 00:19:52 Speaker 4: I don't even know how I'm supposed to shift, Like what gear you're supposed to be. 00:19:58 Speaker 3: We can teach you figure it out quick. If you don't figure it out, you're walking a lot. 00:20:03 Speaker 4: I would rather probably just like a single speed. 00:20:07 Speaker 3: I know you would. You would maybe if you got good, you would. Man, I had a train of thought that I was gonna say. It's something that added on to that. No, I lost it. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: Doing hard things. 00:20:20 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And having physical goals is helps a lot too, because there's there everyone knows there's a correlation between like mental, mental and physical strain. So, like you're talking about, having those goals physically for you to do also helps you mentally. You're it's not just a grind into the unknown. You know, you're like, Okay, well in six weeks I'm gonna do this competition or in six months, I'm gonna do this by grace, And it keeps you, it keeps you accountable to your goals and that's the same. And now you can touch on like hunting with other people, Like you don't want to go out there and hunt with like three or four people, yeah, and be the weak link and like hold people up and like ruin opportunities. It's there's that little bit of pressure you put on yourself and peer pressure. Some peer pressure is good. We do a lot of peer pressure around here. 00:21:09 Speaker 2: Bullying well. 00:21:10 Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I look back at the years that I competed and as an individual, you're like, ah, if I don't get this, in which I you know, more often than not, I got whatever. I made a point to get whatever I was doing in. But on a team there was way more pressure. You don't want to be the person that everybody's looking at. You don't want to let the person next to you down. There's so many different things. And that's why I enjoyed teams so much better. That's why I always talk about hunting, you know, and hey, if you want to go out on a solo hunt, it's incredible more power to you. That's just not something I ever really care to do, not right now, at least, you know, who knows if I. 00:21:48 Speaker 2: Get to that point. 00:21:48 Speaker 1: But you know, we're always working in a team. We're always you know, most either there's one or two shooters in the camera or two, but I always look at the camera guys being part of the hunting group, you know. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: And so. 00:22:02 Speaker 1: Man, I just some of the most fun memories I've had on side of that hill, side of the mountain. 00:22:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, going after things. 00:22:08 Speaker 4: Well, the hardest thing you've ever done is the hardest thing you've ever done. Yeah, you know, so if you don't continually to push that line forward, then you'll just stay in the same spot. 00:22:17 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:22:18 Speaker 4: So I think like with hunting, whereever you're doing, like, if it's hard, that's because you haven't pushed yourself yet, you know. So if you continually push yourself, then these other things just become easy to you, right, Yeah. 00:22:32 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: Well, and with us doing you know, some of these meat Eater Friday posts, there's been a lot of talk on there and people getting upset at some of our methods, but we're talking to the ninety nine percent of hunters out there that don't have the time. You've got an hour, you don't have mountains that you can go climb and do whatever. And still I would argue that doing some of this other stuff, especially in the off season, gets the stronger you can be and more efficient you are, the better off you're gonna be. And if you can go from high heart rate you know, anaerobic work and settle back into aerobic work in some zone two, you're gonna be better off. So the more efficient and more times you can switch that on and off and doing some shooting at a high heart rate or shooting with your CNS fright a little bit, because when you get out there. 00:23:20 Speaker 2: You don't know what's gonna happen, yep. 00:23:22 Speaker 1: And so the idea is that we're switching up the stimulus as much as possible, so you have this large bandwidth of different stimulus in different moments, and so when you get out there, it's not like, oh, I've never experienced this before, and you're still gonna get to that point where you're like, I've never experienced this before. For sure, we're gonna try to prepare you for as many different stimuli as. 00:23:44 Speaker 4: Possible, and even upper body strength, like you can't tell me once you get some meat on your back. 00:23:49 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, your traps, your upper body, you fall. 00:23:51 Speaker 4: In line strength, yeah, all that stuff. Help even just like adjusting your pack for a minute, like if you're a bit stronger all that stuff. 00:24:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah. Like I talked about the pack a lot, like and then we talk about shooting, like I do a lot of workouts. I've programmed a lot of workouts where you're rocking and you're shooting, and you're rocking and you're shooting, and you spend a lot of time with that ruck on because you literally will be carrying a backpack four miles and then you'll have to shoot something. And it's a totally different feeling when you have when you have that weight on your traps and your shoulders and now you're asked to draw your bow back. It's a totally different feeling than when you go out here and you just do a little warm up and you start shooting and the bow feels easy, like and you have no adrenaline you and then you go out there and you get one shot. 00:24:38 Speaker 4: Uh, you got one opportunity. 00:24:39 Speaker 1: You. 00:24:42 Speaker 3: Get one shot, and your shoulders are exhausted. You probably have just hiked a ton. Most people don't just get out of the truck, no pack on and draw a bow back and you know, shoot a trophy elk. You're gonna be exhausted, so why would you after you have figured out how to shoot well, we emphas that you want to practice your technique, and I put that in there. There's days in times where you are just to practice, like just spend time practicing, but then other times you need to start to get sports specific. Is the way is the way I like to put it, because our sport is hunting. You want to be specific to what would and might happen when you're out there. You're not gonna be in a cool, calm environment where you're just you just hang out with your buddy shooting bows. There's time time for that, but then there's a time for a little bit add a little chaos in there. 00:25:30 Speaker 2: A little like the joker yep, yeah, you know. 00:25:33 Speaker 1: And another thing that I like to do every once in a while when it gets closer to this time of year is very limited warm up right into it. You know, like obviously within reason where you're not going to get injured, but you know, hop on a machine, get that heart rate up quick, and then try to sustain, you know, do some intervals. But that first round is a warm up because there's how many times have we gotten out there and you're kind of slow creeping. Then all of a sudden it's on yeah, right, and you're not you know, we have that happened to us last year. We were just kind of hanging out and then all of a sudden we had to go what probably a mile and a half two miles and it was up over. 00:26:07 Speaker 4: Down, and you didn't pick the best route. 00:26:08 Speaker 2: I wasn't me. 00:26:10 Speaker 4: Well, there was roads close and it might not me that and you were like and you were like, ah, we don't need that road, Let's just go up this hill. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: That was not me. 00:26:19 Speaker 1: I was not in charge of that map there, and so you know we had to grind for what twenty or thirty minutes? 00:26:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. 00:26:26 Speaker 4: Rough, high, hard. The other guy was hurting. 00:26:29 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:26:29 Speaker 1: Bird wasn't the one holding this back. Me and Scott were going and Bird was not holding us back. 00:26:33 Speaker 3: And I put a note on sometimes not all the time, I put notes in there saying keep the warm to a minimum when you start the first round and you just go into that shot cold. 00:26:46 Speaker 1: That you know, that depends on the movement, right, you know, like if you're not a huge range of motion, you know, whatever, the absolutely. 00:26:53 Speaker 3: Yeah, like row, like I'll put it. There'll be just be rowing or running and then you shoot and shoot with your boat at you know, twenty to forty yards whatever, and like, yeah, maybe you do want a warm shoulders up a little bit, but especially for eastern hunters, dude, it's middle of November. You're sitting in the stand for you know, four or five hours. 00:27:10 Speaker 2: Guys sitting in the cold plunge and then go shoot. 00:27:13 Speaker 3: I thought about that too. It's actually not a terrible idea. I used to do that every morning. Actually, of course, I used to do it every morning. I would get my cold plunge. That was my routine. I would get the cold punge and I would get out my cold This is during wintertime, I guess, because my plunge is inside cold punge, get right out and I would have my target just five feet away from me, and so I would just draw back and I would get all my anchor points and I would shoot. I would shoot feet yeah, like I mean across the maybe maybe ten or fifteen. But it wasn't I wasn't. I mean I would obviously have a perfect shot every time, but I was just focusing on like the on my mechanics. I was just focusing with where yeah, and being cold, and it's a little maybe it's a little too far in the weeds, But I don't think. 00:27:57 Speaker 2: Once again, I think you change up that stimulus as much as. 00:27:59 Speaker 4: Yeah, and even the as much as you can vary. Like I think it would be a good idea some mornings just to wake up when it's dark, whatever you normally eat and the woods eat it real quick and then just start going, you know, no no warm up, nothing, just yeah, whether it's stare masts or start pushing the sled whatever, just because it's different. Yeah, if you work out at three o'clock or four o'clock every day compared to just waking up and going straight up here. 00:28:26 Speaker 3: And this is the same thing that we think about, and I'm sure that he was thinking about. Like when you're going to the cross of games, you're like, well, what am I gonna I'm not gonna wake up and I'm gonna sit on my front porch and you have coffee, have. 00:28:36 Speaker 4: Coffee, even like y'all y'all switched your training days and your off days because I don't think. 00:28:42 Speaker 3: The games, yeah, well yes, and because Sam and I have to work full time, so Sunday's way easier. 00:28:47 Speaker 4: But yes, I'm glad you made that change for sure. 00:28:50 Speaker 3: For sure, when you're closer to the games, it's and it just it works out better. So it's just changing your routine to think about to prep yourself. And like I said, I use the words sportspecific because hunting is the sport that we're training for, and so we try to get more specific and more specific the closer we get. And and like you said, when you're out there, and even when I'm just thinking about it, like I'll just I try to set aside some time during the week where I can literally just brainstorm, all right, what can we come up with, Like what can I think of that will help these guys? What's gonna prepare them? And maybe that's coming up with our own movements. I didn't come up with the over under idea, but it just seemed to fit so well. I had seen it before and I was like, ah, that's a good movement. 00:29:32 Speaker 2: What it's legal. 00:29:36 Speaker 3: It's legal for the for anyone who doesn't really know what over under is. Uh, you have a set height usually thirty inches, will I use and you get over it however you want. You can like you have a poll up bar and you can use you can set the pull bar really low and get over it. Or I set it up on a box and you have two boxes with a pole, a room stick or something, get over it and then underneath it. So there's something also to be said about not just being able to do it, but also being able to do it smoothly, because when you're in the woods, you have to like you can't just like barel your way through it and step on everything everything and you know, russ all the leaves, breaking all the sticks. And that's why we do those lateral box step overs a lot too, with weight on. We carry sandbags, all that kind of stuff. Is we're not just doing it to do it. We want to actually focus on what we're doing, how we're doing it, because you need to be able to do it quietly and efficiently, because you might have to be you know, literally going up and over, especially like you just said, you rich may choose the worst route possible, or someone else may choose the worst rout possible. And sometimes the worst route possible is like maybe the only route and and yeah, you're gonna have to move smoothly and quickly through stuff like an athlete. When you're out there, you have to think about yourself as an athlete, like you're not just you can't just be you know, elm more food out there just wandering around. Yep, you have the coffee, Yep, you're I'll get it. 00:31:01 Speaker 1: Just keeping it off the table, Scott, you got anything? Scott's off the mic, No, I don't think so. 00:31:09 Speaker 3: Do you want me to more about programming? 00:31:11 Speaker 4: Orcotts a pretty yeah, maybe even what's coming up. 00:31:13 Speaker 1: Scott's a pretty experience Western hunter as well. We didn't I don't realize you had a headset on so Scott. Uh all, but what two hunts you've been on with me pretty much, so we've kind of grown up together and in hunting. And yeah, so Scott's usually part of the team. Scott trains probably harder than or just as hard as any one of us at the table to be ready for the mountains. And so at no point is Scott ever going to be the weak link, especially when it's time to go home. 00:31:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, you put him in go home, go home mode. 00:31:45 Speaker 2: You ain't keeping up with Scott. 00:31:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, to touch on some of the stuff that we have coming up in the programming, like I've added in most day or sorry, once a week, I've started to add in some more cardio very often. So Wednesdays we're using as like the weight vest. Wednesdays sometimes are with the ruck, but you'll have you can almost call it just like an added body weight Wednesday. That is just another idea of getting more sports specific, getting closer to hunting season, having an external load on your body for a long duration. Those workouts are usually our long days, will be working for twenty to thirty minutes or longer a lot of that time and having weight on our body. And I try to make those as sports specific as I possibly can. So if I want to look at Wednesday, here it was twenty five minutes of a four hundred meter run, twenty one push ups, and twelve strict pull ups, all wearing weight vest. So like some Mirph prep style work there. Yeah, running obviously, pounding on the legs is pretty much the basis of like hunt prep. Like that's where everyone starts. You're like, well, how do I start hunt prep? You're like, well, I'm just gonna start running, and then when that gets boring, come on to MAYM hunt and you will before you and varied a little bit more. It gets boring pretty quick. I can't run just every single day. Some people can. But and then my I'm like rich, my knee would would hate me. So yeah, wait, best Wednesdays. And then we have some extra sled work. Bird, when you said that, I had actually just started putting in extra sled work at least once maybe twice a week, sled work, sandbag work after the workout, so like long sled drags or long sled pushes and sandbag carries, because we're talking about that thinking of again, I'm thinking of that grind where you are pushing a sled for two hundred feet, maybe not crazy load, but you're pushing it for two hundred feet and then you grab a sandbag you have put on your shoulder and you're carrying that for two hundred feet. You're simulating getting up a mountain, getting to a position to make a shot, make the shot, and now you have to do the pack out, and so you put that weight on your shoulder and you're carrying it out. 00:33:54 Speaker 4: So what would you say, Obviously, like a sled is we would probably say you have to have a sled sleds Really you don't, would you just dounges there. 00:34:06 Speaker 2: And then what push a cooler or something? H? 00:34:09 Speaker 4: Push? 00:34:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, push something? You could push something like a cooler or a plate push. Yeah, there's a plate push h which you need a good the the problem with a plate push is having the right surface to push it on. Concrete is fun like a smoothed yeah, oh yeah, yeah for sure. 00:34:26 Speaker 1: Here at the barn versus the gym is yeah, infinitely different. 00:34:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh sled And then so that's a good point. So if you can't sled push, I I would say the one to one thing for a sled push would be a sled drag, because I believe you could. You could drag a sled on most like with a waist strap or with handles. You can drag it a whole lot easier that you can push it because of the angle that you're moving it at. You're picking up just a little bit and pulling it on a road or even I don't I don't advise this. You could do in your backyard. I guess you might tear up your backyard back but without a sled. Yeah, pushing a box, pushing a plate if you have the surface for it. Lunges work great, or even just going you We do run a lot in the programming because bike Yeah, yeah, their bike works. Bikeer works if you have even if you have a bike, like if you literally workout in your garage and the workout, let's just say it's push ups and sled push. Just for an example. You could do the push ups and then you can ride your bike half a mile come back. You're gonna get a very similar leg stimulus. That cyclical work of your legs where you're sled push is the same thing where it's just pounding and it's not as much pounding isn't the right word, but it's just a repetitive motion. You're gonna get that on a bike. You're gonna get that with You could even do a rock run because you're getting a little bit more weight on the quads and on the joints. Uh So, yeah, there's a I mean, there's a lot of options. And then let's see. 00:35:49 Speaker 4: If you're half hills, you just run up a hill you can hit. 00:35:51 Speaker 3: That's that's very that's very good. Yeah, if you have a hill in your backyard. 00:35:54 Speaker 2: I have a hill. 00:35:55 Speaker 3: My parents have a hill in their backyard and it's pretty bad. It's it's right now, like you we have a pull bar and the gym and all the equipment's right there. And I used to do hill runs all the time. And then we're adding in like air bike intervals, So like this workout today has some air bike, some GHG sit ups or just reguo situps, whatever you have, and then some front wreck lunges, so it's a lot of lower body and then afterwards, this is kind of an idea I took from him, is afterwards we don't want to accumulate so much volume on the GHD or the lunges because you can get incredibly sore really quickly with those. So then afterwards we'll do five more sets of just the bike, so you're getting more bike. And like I said, that cyclical movement of moving my legs back and forth kind of at a non stop motion is just I mean, it's what you're gonna be doing. You're gonna be walking for a long time, you're gonna be hiking, You're gonna have a lot of pressure on your legs for a long time, and the bike is really good for that and saving your joints while you're doing that. 00:36:56 Speaker 1: Agreed, Yep, So big things you're going on a Western hunt. Get ready physically mentally, and find find a team, Find a group of guys, girls, whatever that'll push you. Find some people that are you know, you can bounce some ideas off of. You don't have to be training in the exact same vicinity all the time, but every once in a while is great. And then if you can daily do a little check in, you know, we're we're all better together, stronger together. And so find a group of group of people that are gonna push you physically, yeah, mentally, yep, all those things. 00:37:34 Speaker 4: That's why I work out with you. 00:37:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, right, right, cool, Scott, you anything, Dad? All right? In pursued episode two, let us know what you want to hear in the comments 00:37:47 Speaker 1: Or uh for sure, let us know how we're wrong.