00:00:02 Speaker 1: So fo sixty bucks for a more um. As Brian put it in a follow up text, that you gotta rub like a baseball glow. You gotta put that over the fish and you're gonna just keep palm on him. Untillas, including one big as red snapper on what, from what I could tell, looks to be a dropper loop rig baited with green glow in the dark, bushy figurines. Anybody can put stupid music to fly tying videos, and anybody can do that. Good morning, degenerate anglers, Welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast, located closest to the food court entrance, right between Aero Pastel and the piercing pagoda. I'm Joe Surmeli, Miles Nulti, uh and uh. I think we're about to drop our second Kevin Smith movie reference in less than ten episodes, which which really tells you all you need to know about this show, you dumb bastard. It's not a schooner, it's a sailboat. Square stupid a man. I can almost smell the c K one wafting from the Macy's. 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You know, we kicked this off with a mall rats reference. Kudos to us, and you got me thinking about all the time that I wasted wandering around malls and trying to hit on girls and getting kicked out for skateboarding, and uh, it dawns on me that I've never seen a mall with a tackle shop in it. You're right, I just I'll just add you got kicked out for skateboarding. I got kicked out once for stealing giant Easter eggs from the Easter Bunny quadrant I was in through Easter, so I was like, nobody will care, but that's pretty good. I Oddly enough, I also got kicked out of several more than one mall for not wearing shoes. It's true story. Anyway, Oh my god, that's good. You're right though. You know, the mall was supposed to be the place to find everything you wanted in one convenient location, right, But thinking back on it, man, none the thirteen malls within a half hour of me growing up had one. But dude, I will tell you what though, oddly right, I once ended up in a mall in Brazil, in the city of Manaus, right in the heart of the Amazon, and it had one of the most badass tackle shops in them all. No, no, I've been there, like I know exactly I know the mall that you that was. I went to Manow's one time because I was also on lucky enough to get taken on a trip there, and I went to that mall. It was like, it's gotta be the same. It's the one with all the guys with machine guns out in front of every entrance, right, yeah, and there was that there was a tackle shop in there, and and I of course I went to it and they had like some of the weirdest lures, like I've never seen those lures anywhere else before or since. I dropped a few hundred bucks like it was nothing. And I actually I still have a bunch from today. I still fished them today. But were so cool that a few a few that are kind of like not I don't know, they're just like basically it's a spook, but because it has a different shape and I brought it in Brazil, it's cooler than all the other spooks I have. You know, it's probably that more productive. But I do throw them with caution because I just can't replace them. We're not neither one of us are going back to the mall in Manouse anytime soon. But dude, I gotta ask you. I had no idea you'd been there. Um, did you happen to stop by the store in that mall that sold nothing but Michael Jackson memorabili Uh it was a long time. I'm sure I passed by it. I did not go in there. I remember seeing like the black light posters with Michael and like glitter or whatever. Yeah, and I think I think his monkey had a few posters. I remember seeing it, but I did not go in. Yeah, did I ran in. I went in twice. I went in twice, and I ended up. I went with the Moonwalker pillow shams and the Bubbles, the chimp bath salts, you know, well bubbles Bubbles that was the name. I couldn't remember. Oh well, yeah, I'm sure that was money will Spend. It was, so, you know, getting to the actual things we're supposed to talk about here. We don't actually have a tackle shop report for you guys this week, but we do have a fly shop report that comes to us from Joe's home estate. That's right, And you know it's early October. Dry fly ashtion is winding down quickly around here as those temps start to drop. But for anyone in North Jersey, Eastern p A where the Cats Skills of New York. There are a few hatch options still kicking around, and we thought who better to fill you in than Sammy Jennardo from Gennardo and Son's fly Shop, a New Jersey staple right next door to Scachetti and Son's Plumbing and Demartali and Son's Florist up there in Franklin Lakes. Hey, everybody how is doing? This? Is Sammy Jennado from Jennado and Son's fly Shop and Franklin Lakes, New Jersey. I'm here with the fishing report. Latzi is apparently headed up to the cat Skills this weekend. The fish that day. That's a good move. Streams of New Jersey ain't doing ship Ken Lockwood, Gorge, fill it in. It's dead. So you've been asking me about the hatches up there, This is what I know. Right now, you're gonna see some blue wing olives. Now, my buddy Richie was over in the dream Catchers, Whichie from Newark. He was fishing the dream Catches and he said he saw a big twenty eating size b w woh, sipping it just under the surface. Now, the important thing he is to remember that if you're gonna be fishing to fish just under the surface, you're not gonna see to eat. You may see a little dimple on the water, but could be a fly, might not. So you got to use the JETI mind tricks to figure out if that fish just ate you fly, slowly lift the rod and see what happened. The other option is that yell eat that at the fish. Now, if yell eat that, the percentage that the fish eat your fly is gonna be a little bit higher than if you don't. Ice and Nikki is you're gonna see a few of those in the riffs. Now you're just gonna blind cast the big ice saw. Now a fly for that is tied by my buddy Jerry Tombrowski from Weehawkins. It's called Jerry's rattler. Now it's got a big rapper hackle bro. I mean, this thing floats like a cork and you're gonna put that over the fish and you're gonna just keep pummel on him until he eats it. Other than that, you got flying ants. Now aways that here one day to gone the next. My only prediction for you is if you get a dab of rain, little bit of humidity in the air, just to touch a wind. You might see him on the water. You see him on the water, they're gonna be eighteens to twenty fours with fish ken in more on the four than the eighteens. I am small, just a rapid thread, little puff of white c DC like the trout hunter, your golden nymphant. You gotta get it deep, real deep. You want like ten split shot on that thing. Make sure you strike indicators rigged and rocked and ready, and that's when you see that thing drops. Give him the left, bro, give them the lead. All right, That's what I got for you. I hope you get into twenties. If you run into any cor trouble whatsoever, I want you to stop by. See my guy Troy West Main Auto in Hancock. Bang up, job, have a good weekend. Giving them the lead. Totally. I can totally relate to that. Man. I am. I'm the weirdo here out west who doesn't hate nymphing. I actually it's kind of fun. I'm good with it. I kind of do. But I mean, if you grew up on the East Coast and you were a trout fisherman, you had to learn how to nymph right, like hatches and rising fish were a luxury, Like it's not Montana, you know, like where a stimmy just magically calls him up three Not true? None of that true. Yes, I think it is. And if you weren't catching trout here, you didn't change the fly, right, you just added more lead. That's how we did it and and continue to do so. Yeah, yeah, no, and I will you have bought into the hype that all the Montana outfitters and guides want you to believe that it's Drive Life three sixty five. It's not true. Don't believe them. But since we're on the subject of dredging something, I also am quite good at let's dig up some dirt and transition from that completely bogus fly shop to a very real one in Minnesota. I'm gonna check in with its very real proprietor and former guide who's got yet another story that will make you question how humanity has survived as long as we have. This is Smooth Moves. Why joining us today on Smooth Moves? I am very happy to have my dear friend, Mr Robert Hawkins. Robert, how are you good? Good? How are you guys? I'm pretty welcome, man, We're good. And uh, you own what might be my favorite fly shop on the planet, Bob Mitchell's fly Shop in St. Paul, Minnesota. And uh, in case anybody hears any weird background noise, you're doing this store an open store, our wars. So there are people shopping for leaders and tippets and things in the background, occasionally maybe some midges. That's that's what a high quality, classy program we are. We actually take people away from their real jobs so that they can help us out with ours. Yeah, they are just jamming their pockets full of midges while you're in the back office recording with us right now. So just write us a bill. We'll take care of it. But before the fly shop ownership thing happened for you, you spent a lot of time guiding in Montana and in Alaska. Did that for a lot of years. Um, so what what what is our smooth move from you today? Where did this happen? What's going down? Hit us with it? So we were getting out of the plane in the morning. We've got up popping the plane, flew to the river and one of our you know, our clients at our lodger always very extremely well off and always have the best gear. And this is in Alaska. I take it in Alaska. We just landed at the top of Gibraltar Lake and we're going to flow up the rafts and float down for the day and end up in Lake Gillyan. But so, you know, we park on the beach and the plane kind of sits there and hangs out and waits for everybody to get their rafts blown up. And the clients are kind of assembling their rods. And this one particular client, you know, he had he'd gotten all four flyer ups, you know, he and his wife's they each had to they you know, they brought backups, right, so they had two each just in case they broke one during the day. And uh the plane is backed into the beach, you know, it's not running or anything, and the client has all four rods in his hand and he he does this like I'm pretending to cast movement, like you know, he does like this back cast sort of movement, and all four rods clipped the tailing edge of the airplane wing and all all four rods just went and uh, so he broke all four of his rods in and one fell swoop. That's amazing. Yeah, I'll mean honestly, like I've seen two rods broken in the course of a day before, maybe three, but four in one false cast, yeah, and one just silly false cast. And he was one of those like kind of angry clients, you know, he just always erngye. And I actually ended up having them in my wrath that day, and he was It was also him and his wife and they're like the bickery back and forth couple and so all all it was like one of my worst days on the river with us two and he he also that day. He's the guy that will say, hey, Mr Guide, can you pour me a glass of wine? Please? You don't have a name, no, no, I'm just missed Mr Guide. You. It was just a brutal day, That's how it started. So what did he have to do use like the stuff that you guys had his backup or which we always we always bring a couple of routes to just in case. And but you know it that ruined his day instantly. No matter what we've you know, we could have caught two fish that day. His day was ruined instantly at the at the beginning, and I think we did have a great day that day, but he it was just all day, Well you did this, And isn't it fun to be right in the middle of a marital squabble like all day on the river. Just it just makes you feel good about humanity. It's tough guiding married couples sometimes. That right there, my friend, is why you always fill out the warranty card. I'd love to read some of the emails fly odd companies get trying to cover smooth moves like that. You know, I want to cast the CDC emerger in an open field and your rod broken five places, it must be incredible to read something. They don't read those emails like that's why they have the unconditional warranty, so they don't have to read the emails, right because they're like they know, they know, just like we do. That rods get broken in in car doors or when your dog steps on him, like that's how it happens. Yep. That I think is why the unconditioned and a warranty thing started, was just to cut down on paperwork, truly. But let's switch over from the river to the ocean for this week's installment of fin Clips, where we teach you everything you need to know about a fish you probably never thought you wanted to know about in the first place. This week, Joe is going to clue us all into a species that makes European taste buds frolic with the light and American anglers pout in winey self pity. Squalis acantheus was once the most abundant shark species on planet Earth. And for those of you not fluent in Latin genuses, that's the spiny dogfish. Now, if you wet a line for any kind of bottom fish from oh Greenland to Miami, strong chance that you've encountered a spiny. And there's also a strong chance you're rolling your eyes right now wondering why I'm devoting any time to spur dogs when I could be using this time to give you tips for catching more fluke, flounder, snowy group or sea bass, porgies, or a shipload of other things you're usually trying to catch while you're catching spiney dog fish. Well as rage against the machine once said, no your enemy, because while you Boston boys and hatteras heivers might hate spiney's, they are gold elsewhere in the world. Aside from pretty much the entire Eastern seaboards, spineys ply inshore and offshore waters all across Northern Europe, the southern tips of Africa and South America, and even southern Australia. Though knowing my luck, even if I was on a dream trip to Fiji, I'd still managed to catch one right state side. The average doggy measures anywhere from twelve to thirty inches. Those specimens pushing sixty inches have been recorded In England, where spiney dog fish are arguably the most popular as a food fish, they're labeled as huss in fish and chip shops. Historically, the Brits sold them as rock salmon until Big Band or Parliament or whoever eventually came along and said no, stop, that it's just too misleading. The French, on the other hand, could care less and still sell them as small salmon. The Italian stallions call them con bianco, which, according to my translator Google just means white can, and the German seemed to think it sells better as zippolling or sea eel instead of the more appropriate sea shark. But here in the States, eating spiny dogfish just can't seem to catch on among the masses. Tons of spineys are hauled up by trawlers throughout the Atlantic every year in search of more popular species, and those doggies are generally discarded as bycatch, even though organizations like the Cape Cod Commercial Fisherman's Alliance has sponsored initiatives to get sustainably caught doggies in cape Cod restaurants and fish markets. Now, according to my inside source at Wikipedia, the UK based International Union for Conservation of Nature as well as Greenpeace have added the spiney dog fish to their seafood red lists and claim global stocks have decreased significantly, even as much as around Europe because euro McDonald's can't sell those McRock salmon and mix seel sandwich is fast enough. Funny thing is those in the know, me being one of them, will confirm that if I gave you a piece of dog fish disguised in a crispy panco breading, you'd guess it was any number of more popular firm white meat salty bottom fish. But to be fair, the times I've had it, someone else caught it and cooked it for me, and every single time I enjoyed it with a little tartar sauce, I said to myself, these are really good. I should start keeping some of these. That attitude changes quickly, though, when you're burning boat fuel with a brain locked on stripers, freezing your nuts off in the winter for cod or dreaming of doramat fluke, and every diamond, jade, clam strip and gulp teaser gets wolfed by a spiny the second you drop it down, and it almost makes it pretty hard to believe that the spiny dog fish are in any kind of trouble. And when you move ten times and can't get away from them, you just hate them so much that you can't lower yourself to filling that sexy yetti coffin box with the scourge of the sea, let alone post a picture of you holding one with a smile on Instagram, especially when you consider that spiny dog fish get their name for to incredibly hard thick needle points spines on their backs, both just forward of their two dorsal fins, and they're there for a reason, and that reason is to ruin your day. A dog fish will writhe and twist and swing its tail around and arch its back to make every effort to stick you good while you're trying to unhook one. Those spines are sharp enough to go through clothing gloves. I've even seen them go through PVC rain here. Bonus, those spines inject you with a mild venom that, while non toxic, j seems to make a wounded kin to getting stabbed with a splintering wooden kebab skiw wher hurt a lot more. When you are forced to unhook a doggie every thirty seconds all day, Suddenly you no longer want to eat one you just wanted off the goddamn boat. Well. I don't know about everyone else, but I just got hungry for spiny dog fish, tater tots, and ranch dressing, which here in Montana we call montanamandas or sometimes hockey sauce because you know the honkeys they love it, but fight that craving. Don't pause now to swing into the drive through at euro McDonald's, because we are about to pump your guts full of fish news. Fish news that escalated quickly. So this is fish news where we uh tell you all the fun, interesting fish and fish and related things you need to know happening recently out there in the world. Reminder, this is a competition, Miles, and I do not know what stories the other guys bringing to the table, and as always are mighty audio engineer Phil at the end will declare a victor, and I'm coming off a win, and I'm happy about that because I was losing confidence in myself there for a little while. Don't get too comfortable in that chair, That's all I'm saying. You better call fives on that if you're getting Not only did I win, he managed to work in a Celine Dion and Sarah McLaughlin reference in his announcement of that win. Because he's fantastic. He's the real talent here. But it always benefits to be the leadoff man that is me this week. And I'm excited, Okay, I'm very excited. I love both of my stories, largely because both of them are kind of gonna go off the rails a bit. I'm gonna come from left field and it feels good. And we're allowed to do this because we make the rules. Okay. We decide not only what is news, but which news stories are the most important ist that you need to hear um And this first one, I'm just gonna get right to it. Just just warm my heart. I love it. So from the Cape Cod Times headline, obsessed Jaws fan replicates Chief Brodie's ride. I didn't even have to read anything more about the story to know that this man is my hero. Okay. So from the story, Gabe de Saverio calls himself a Jaw's nut. He's into anyone or anything that has any connection to the Killers Shark blockbuster movie Jaws. The obsession has infiltrated all facets of his life, just like it has mine. We are we are connected. Here, it says De s Varios vacations have been Jaws themed, his business and conservation efforts revolve around sharks, and his daughter's middle name is Ellen, after the Jaws character Police Chief Martin Brodie's wife. And he's quoted here saying, I'm pretty sure I can scientifically prove that it's the greatest movie ever made. Gabe, I will help fund that research. I will chip in so we can finally settle what us Jaws freaks really know is already the truth. So a little background gave is the owner of the Spicy Shark Hot Sauce Company. Okay, And the story goes on and says part of His Jaws fandom includes a fifteen year search for a nineteen seventy five Chevy Blazer like the one Chief Brodie drove in the movie, and while business last during COVID nineteen, the Portsmouth residents scoured the internet saw one for auction, maybe in his price range. So he asked his wife Jill what she thought, and here's the quote from Gabe. She said, you work eight days a week, You've never bought yourself a toy, and you've been talking about this since our third date. She's she's a keeper, Gabe, my man, good on you. Um So, Gabe finally found his new blazer in North Carolina, and after we got at home, he enlisted to help us some friends to cut off the hard top, paint the roll bar black, repaint the truck to perfectly match Brodie's. And let me tell you it's spot on and I love this right. He ordered Vanity Amity license plates and had custom Amity Police Department stickers from the Hampton sticker cabana adhered to the side. And this is what Gabe says. There are two or three other replica Jaws blazers out there, but they don't have the right lettering. He said, you gotta have the exact font. Damn right, you gotta have the exact font I was. I was skeptical of this guy until right now. If he is like, if he is a funk geek, I can hang out with him. Wait wait, wait. The blazer is named Martin, of course, after Chief Martin Brody, but Gabe is quoted in the piece of saying you can call him Marty well good. He also considers the Jaws replica blazer a part of his family. He says, I have a daughter. This is my son, So listen. I reached out to Gabe and asked for more photos of Marty and you can see those on my Instagram page that's at Joe dot Smellie thirty eight. And the next time I'm on the Cape, you will see photos of me driving this blazer. Okay, assuming it's not a stick shift. So Gabe, bravo, bravo. Oh man, that that is the most Joe Surmeli fish news story that I had ever heard in my life. And that's fine if it, if it, if it earns me a loss, I don't care, because that had I had, I couldn't not you. You couldn't leave that one on the table. You had to take that. I couldn't agree. It's so bad. It's so perfect. I mean, it is absolutely perfect. The truck is amazing. I think you might have found like a long lost brother that your parents didn't tell you about. Like you guys were separated at birth, and and now you're going to come back together. That's just a heartwarming, heartwarming tail for anyone. Everyone loves a story of families reunited. I've I've done all the things I've done, the stupid Martha's Vineyard tour, like where all the things happened. I remember when Jaws the Revenge, which was terrible, came out. My parents took me to a Universal's like traveling museum thing where they had all these props and they had the shark from Jaws four, and I saw nothing else in the entire exhibit. We just stayed it with the shark. And so my dad was like, all right, come on, we gonna go at dinner. We want to look at the Indiana Jones stuff. I was like, no, just the shark. No, I'm here for the sharks. Well, it's always been somewhat ironic to me that the Jaws thing is is centered on the East coast of North America because a while there are white sharks there, that's not really the part of the world that's known for white sharks. I'll give you that you're in the California coast is known more for white sharks. But if you really want to talk about white sharks, you think about Australia. I mean like that that's where people really really think about them. And you know, it just so happens that this first story I'm coming with it comes from Australia, strangely enough, and we know for a fact, as of last week we have at least one listener in Australia, so we're basically talking to him. Hopefully he's listening now lost him. He hasn't been eaten by a great white all right, So quick question, Joe, as a father of young kids, have you ever heard of Bush's. I've heard of many things, but not that, or if I have heard of it, I just like blocked it out of my brain. I'm like, I don't know what they're saying. I don't know what that is, but I don't think so you've seen them. I hadn't heard of either, but you've seen them there, there's just kind of squished down little plastic figurines in the shape of popular cartoon characters, all right, and apparently they're like the new Beanie babies in that they are completely useless crap that people have been duped into collecting. And just like with other kids collectibles, you know, for example, say POGs, the common ones are totally worthless. The rare ones are crazy valuable. Someone supposedly paid fifteen grand for one of these lumps of molded plastic on eBay. Alright, so I believe it though. I mean, it's just it's yeah, it's it's worth that right now this very minute. So good on you out there that are anymore. I may or may not know personally, you know, I don't want to get too far off here, but in researching this story, I found a headline that actually said, so she's the new bitcoin anyway, So she's are a point of contention in Australia, where the store chain Woolworths just ran a second annual promotion giving them away to any customer who spends thirty bucks. Last year, this giveaway lead to grown ass people rioting, fighting and threatening each other over lifeless children's toys so remember. Yeah. And while while some Australians clearly love the little buggers, others are pissed. One woman wrote on the Woolworths Facebook page, quote they're terrible for the environment. They often end up in landfill or is litter. Another customer wrote, quote very saddened and disappointed to hear that Walworts are bringing back the plastic pushes that cause so much destruction to our already struggling environment. And the issue, of course, is that these little plastic figurines may be beloved and valuable now, but they, like all their cute collectible predecessors, will soon be an afterthought, just fleeting cultural refuse, destined for landfills, where they will slowly break down and turn into more microplastic, choking rivers, lakes and oceans. They'll be right there with all the l O L dolls that my kid has, same thing, same premise thing. But there's a brain side here. One industrious angler down Under has actually found a viable use for these detestable wads of petroleum distillate. Mark Pace of Queensland is using USh. He's as snapper lures nice marks. That it's great, dude, You gotta check this out. Mark posted uh photos and video of himself on Facebook reefing in snapper of various types and sizes, including one big as red snapper on what, from what I could tell, looks to be a dropper loop rig baited with green glow in the dark bushy figurines. In the video on his post, we see Mark lifting a fish over the gunnal, turning to the camera and saying paces post just says, quote, anyone have any glow in the dark sheets? They don't want? Happy to pay a dollar each? And I'm guessing Mark didn't really think this through, like as a social media move, because if his goal was to get people to sell him their glow in the dark she's for cheap, then he probably shouldn't have led on that their dynamite snapper lures. I mean, good luck getting anyone to give them away to you, now, dude, Like that was not the way to go about it. You should have just been like, hey, anybody have any isshes just just wondering, so why why while you're talking? I just did a quick search because I didn't know what these were. But now I look at him, I'm like, oh, yes, they do. I stepped on five of them yesterday. Um, this is wonderful that he's turned this into the lure. But for people wondering, like, well, does it have some natural innate like fishy baity looking something to it? No, Like, it's just so hard. It's it's just a little molded piece of plastic in the shape of a figure. That's it, like more on the bushes than the other people on the Like, is there like is there a real secret here or is it pure gimmick or what? I don't know? Like what I've again, there's not a whole lot of information there. It doesn't seem like he's trying to blow it up. He just put up this post being like, hey, I'm looking for some oshes found a use for him. Anybody want to give me their glow in the dark gushes, I'm I'm working on the snapper. But for their part, Woolworths is not excited about their trashy toys being put to good use. Finally, UH spokesper and for the company told Yahoo News quote, while we don't encourage the use of bushies for fishing bait, they can be used in many other ways, from storytelling, taking care of them as special collector's items or popping them on the back of pencils, And right now I'm just calling bs on all of that ephemeral plastic toys, especially these fake collectible ones, are one of the foulest offshoots of consumer culture. So good on Mark for finding some kind of actual use for this disgusting flots um. But he probably should have kept it to himself. That's all I'm gonna say. Something I'm taking away from this and I'd have to do some research to find out the same thing. Um, I'm just blown away by this being Woolworths, which makes me wonder is that the same Woolworths that used to be all over the US and has now gone where they're still huge in Australia. Really? Yeah, okay, all right, okay, that's one thing. Um. Also I mean that, yeah, like you're gonna get mad about this, like people if people over here got mad about people using ridiculous toys and ship to catch fish, that would be somebody ranting and raven every day of the week. McDonald's Disney. Like there was just something that popped up, some nemo toy on YouTube. Yeah, dude's catching peacock bass with that, but I mean, I don't know. I think it's pretty frugal. You also mentioned POGs. I was like, since we started this podcast, I was like, who's going to be the first one to work in POGs? And it was you. That's so good on that, And now I'm thinking, like I still got on them slammers somewhere that. On the other hand, you could probably drill a nice hole through each end, right, throw a little split ring on there. Those would also make a great lore, because I think POGs are too old for the new YouTube generation to be making poglures because they don't know what that is. So I called it and uh, we're gonna we're gonna have to make some pog lures. Uh Do my kids have the similar ushy things laying all over the place there, There's not been one yet that I'm like, Man, that would make a tremendous lure. So that's why I'm giving Mark credit. Like a lot of these things are obvious, right, like, oh yeah, this swimming cool. Nothing about this looks fishy, but apparently he's doing well on it. So that's why I was impressed. I was like, this does not fit. I like this, here's what drives me crazy. And and you have you have a son who's younger, so you might never have to deal with this. But see, I have a daughter who is five. So for all the dads of daughters out there, like a lot of this stuff, and I don't know if she's the same thing. The whole fun for the kids is like the um unwrapping, like l O l's come in a ball and like you don't know which one you're gonna get, and it's like a big surprise egg and like that is what you're paying for. And then she doesn't do ship with them after she opens them. They just lay around gambling for five year olds exactly. So I'm just gonna I'm gonna have to like start if I dude, I could take a two dozen of them and she wouldn't even know. We'll go from from repurposing toys and frugal lores um to to this story. Great segue here, and this one's was a little outside of the box. This is somewhere we haven't gone at least in terms of source yet. So I got this as a hot tip off from a friend of mine, Brian Schmidt. Do you happen to know Brian Schmidt. You know who he is, Schmidty. I mean, dude, I'm gonna be honest with you. Maybe I don't know. Okay, So so Brian for years he was the guy in charge of fly development for Umpqua, and now he struck out on his own and he started Brian Schmidt Bates and you should check out his stuff. Yeah I knew, I know this dude. Yeah. He makes amazing baits. Yeah. Oh yeah, the Schmitter bug and all that stuff. That's all him, right, amazing dude. So um now now he's just Brian Schmidt Bates and he makes all kinds of cool swim baits and and rats and Jason Spinner baits awesome stuff. Anyway, Uh, just last week he sent me a text and it said, did you watch today's What's New at tackle Warehouse video? Apparently tackle Warehouse does a news video every week of like new products, and I know you Bass guys especially no tackle Warehouse huge online retailer. So he says did you see that video and then follows it with, um, wow. All I can say is it puts the lotion in the basket. So I'm like, al right, right, So I watched and one thing new last week was the Manifold De Naro swim bait. Now it's jointed right, and it's it's this is kind of like a new uh lower release news piece, but it's just it's just gonna go. Hey wire. Here thirteen and a half inches long and covered in leather. Now that leather has what I'd call sort of a snake skin texture, but all around the edge it's hand stitched right like the buffalo bill skin suit. Hence Brian's nod to lotion in the basket. Okay, so so here's some of the description of this new Manifold De Niro swim bait. Developed by the owner of Manifold Leather, who has over thirty four years of experience in the fine leather industry in Japan. The Manifold De Niro glide bait boasts superior craftsman ship and was created for targeting monster your size bass. It features a hand car of polyethylene body, which provides the foundation and allows the bait to swim with a perfectly balanced, wide S shaped gliding blah blah blah, because that's the description of every glide bait. Every glide bait is a wide S shape. Okay, nothing this is nothing new, okay, so you haven't hooked us there. On the outside, the Manifold Naro Glidebate is covered in hand stitched onent horse hide leather. That's horse leather, horse leather that does not get colder than traditional abs plastic, which ensures the bait has the same body temperature and texture as a living bait fish for a more natural presentation, and says as the leather progresses, the surface foil also becomes weathered and becomes more like a wounded or weak bait fish. And there are two disclaimers. Uh they're one is the Manifold Naro Glidebate moves properly once the leather has absorbed water, and be sure to read the instructions included in each box for proper operating and storing procedures. So this company, Manifold, as I understand it, is best known for fine leather goods, but also kind of dabbles in lures because the same video also showcased the herdbait from them with no leather work. Okay, but I don't know. I'm super curious about these instructions and I can't find the specifics. But the dude in the video noted that you need to let it soak for a bit to let the leather absorb water, because if it doesn't absorb the right amount of water, it can affect the buoyancy and action. And they're like and like, who first? Who has time for that? That's why I cast lure. Who it's time to think that much? Okay, And then he says the instructions feature specific storage tips so you don't ruin the leather. Now here's the thing, and I sent you a photo of this. In my opinion right now, it's hideous. It's it's not at all part of the swim bait deal is like you're like, oh my god, that looks like a real brown trap. Whatever. It's it's not at all aesthetically pleasing, and in fact, I find it very bizarre looking. And clearly you're buying the proposed benefits of the leather because to me, the like it's the action doesn't sound an different any other glide bait. Right. So here's the kicker, though, take a whack at the price. Go ahead, take a whack at the price. Got to be at least a lure four hundred and sixty dollars. What four sixty dollars, right, and that's just for the There's another model that has some weird fancy metal face attachment that's five and twelve dollars. Okay, it's got like it's got like a lector mask. I actually think it's like to create. You can hang leeds off it and like different times. But it looks freaking elector mask. So four d and sixty bucks for a lure. Um, as Brian put it in a follow up text, that you gotta rub like a baseball glove. I mean, listen, did I have the utmost respect for the dedicated swim bait colt? Right? I'm fascinated by the method I which I would. I wish I had more dedication to to fish that way. I love it. I love it. But like swim bait dudes, this is a joke, right, Like is who who is buying this? That's the buying this lure. And here's the thing those as you already pointed out, there there are those very very expensive swim baits and they look a certain way, they look photo realistic, they have that incredible movement to them. Blah blah blah. This thing kind of looks like a high school arts and crafts project that someone's selling on Etsy. It's I mean, you can see all the stitching. It's not poorly done, but it's it's not super impressive. Yeah, it's not poorly done, but you wouldn't know it's like fine leather work. By no, it's it's I I take it manifolds like Coach. So if like Coach made a lure and this was it, you, you certainly wouldn't pick up on that level of craftsmanship just by looking and with all lords. Dude, come on, man, we buy the ship with our eyes, you know, and I know, and how many lawyers are sold because of their shelf appeal. And if you put this next to a T Spro swim bait, guess which one I'm buying? Even if no question. So, I mean, here's the other thing that I thought of, here's the other piece that I thought. I was really surprised to hear you say it was leather because I haven't to know, just because I know weird ship like this that people tan fish skin. You can actually take fishkin when you can tan it, and yeah, absolutely so why wouldn't you use that on this product? Why wouldn't you use actual fishkin. If you're gonna go to this hand stitching, hand tanned level of craftsmanship, why not use fishkin. That's that's where I'm a little bit lost. And maybe maybe fishkin doesn't hold up as well, maybe it doesn't work. There are probably things I don't know, but that was the first thing that I thought of, And I feel like there's things I don't know because there's it's so new that even even tackle warehouse like there's not that much info about it. And I tried to just google up the lore, and I mean, you get linked to all these Japanese leather making sites. I couldn't find like a direct link. But I I even partially understand, you know, the desire for these hard to get Japanese swim baits and things. I see the same thing in the striper world. There's certain hand turned wooden lures that people just go nuts for. It doesn't really matter if they're fishing them or not. But I mean, at some point this just goes beyond fish ability, Like you're paying five bucks for a lure allure that requires as much care and attention as a fine leather couch, Like why would you do that? It's supposed to be thrown around in a lake, like in weeds and mud and ship you know, and I've seen some wacky stuff and swim baits. This is next level and what I would love to hear maybe we can get away in later, like from our friend Oliver and I like a big bass catching swim bait chucking Amigo to weigh in and be like, yeah, I don't get it either, or dude, maybe we're idiot's and it's like, no, here's why. This is the next level. Yeah, And on that durability thing, man, Like, the thing that I'm currently interested in with swin babies is throwing them from muskie And I'm just imagining what happens when a muskie hits a leather lure, and I don't think it's pretty, especially one that I spent four some odd dollars on. But I'm gonna I'm gonna stick with that and and move into our our final segment, which is a muskie story and you'll also detect. I'm a little proud of myself this week because I definitely stuck with a theme that you're going to detect, all right, and and I hope it comes through pretty clear. So Greg Leonard sounds like my kind of guy. He's a land conservation officer from Augusta, Wisconsin who also happens to be a hardcore musky addict. He calls the Chipwa Fluage his home waters, and I have fished that flowage and it's it's an incredible place, a special, special place. Despite the fact that Greg spends as much free time as possible musky fishing, and it has been doing so for decades, he seems to suffer a similar fate or perhaps curse that that you and I do Joe, when it comes to big muskie, because he just he can't seem to crack a really big fish. He's he's stuck at which, for the record, is a very big musky, but not the fish that musky junkies COVID. You know they all want the fifty. Right For the record, I will say, if I caught a forty five on fly, I'd be like, and I'm done, don't have to do. I'd be fine with that for me. But last August Greg did a good deed for the musky gods that I hope will pay dividends for him this fall. I hope, I hope what he did like pays his car before and he gets his fifty. Greg was fishing mid afternoon one day late August when he hooked a midsized muskie you know, nothing special, fought it to the boat, put it in the net. Hook pop free wants fish in the net, and he's he's just about to release it when he noticed something odd, a mud stained diving ring encircling the fishes midsection. Now, for those of you who don't know what a diving ring is, I don't know what that is. Yeah, I'm about to explain it. They're they're they're small hoops, like a few inches in diameter, usually used for swimming lessons and lifeguard training. So diving rings are specially weighted so that when you throw them in the water they sink, but then they sit upright on the bottom, got so that divers can swim down and easily grab them. Because they're because they're training tools. They're also made of like really heavy duty plastic so that they can withstand years of use and pools. Alright, so Greg catches this muskie and it has a diving ring stuck around its midsection. And the thing's been there a while because the fish has has like started to grow around the ring, and the ring is cutting pretty deep into the fish's body. Yeah, Greg tries to pull the ring off like you would, but like, I mean, it is really literally the fish is growing around it. It's it's not going anywhere. So here's where his story gets weird to me. Then he used a bolt cutter, and even the bolt cutter couldn't cut through the thing. But I mean, quick side note, man who carries a bolt cutter on their fishing boat, I do not every fisherman in New Jersey, but really maybe I don't know. I'm just like, why why actually takes up a lot of room on your boat? You know, you know, I will say not to get off on that, but I do know people who carry bolt cutters. More so, ink is like they need to cut the lock on their spare tire, like their trailer tire pops or something, and they can't find the key, you know, stuff like that. And and maybe like maybe they were side cutters and the story got it wrong. I'm not sure, but I'm picturing like a full on bolt cutter, and and and maybe it was misreported, I'm not sure. But anyway, if it was a bowl cutter, whatever it was, I'm glad that Greg had one, because even though he couldn't cut completely through that ring, he did cut it enough that he could relieve the pressure on it and he was able to slide it off the fish and then set the fish free. Okay, And being a natural resource manager by trade, he showed the ring and the photos to one of his colleagues, a fisheries manager named Max Walter, and they came up with a theory about this. Their theory. Here's here's how their theory goes, someone lost the diving ring in the lake and it just set their upright sitting on the bottom for god knows how long. Yeah, and and that muskie is in the area chasing bait, and the bait tries to you, is that ring to like get away from predator? Trying to get that right? Get stuck? And they estimate that that fish carried that ring around for two years before Greg caught it and cut it loose. You know what. It is amazing, But there are similar stories out there. One that always sticks with me is I remember these these pictures floating around of a striper that had metal arms from an umbrella trolling rag coming out of its stomach, I mean poking through its stomach. So we tend to coddle fish as we should, I mean, be careful with releasing everything. But then every once in a while you see one of these stories and it kind of makes you go, you know, they're a lot more resilient than you think they are. They're tough. Yeah, I mean, it's it's it's an anecdote, right, this is it's a cool, feel good story. But I got a hand here because Greg had a final note, right, and and he was explaining why he's now publicly sharing this story. And he says, plastic toys have no place in our lakes, and I agree with them, but I'd take it a step further and say that they have no place in our bodies of water, unless, of course, you're using them as a fishing lure and you're bringing back out. I want to I want to qualify that, But I, like everyone else, I have tons of useless plastic crap at my house, so I'm not getting all high and mighty on this, but I do try and minimize the amount of plastic that I purchase. And it's really hard, especially when you know you have kids and they come home from every birthday party with a bag of useless plastic crap, but try to be mindful about what we buy. And moreover, I am definitely that guy who will pull the boat over to pick up trash, especially plastic, and I hope all of you out there listening will consider doing the same. I'm not saying like that's going to solve the microplastics problem or like I'm saving the world or you will either, but but it's something we can all do. And I think that this theme of if you're gonna throw plastics in the water, make sure it's tethered due a line to catch a fish. Otherwise just don't do it. That That's where I'm leaving for today with Fish News. I think that's a great place. That was a great message, That was a great end. Okay, I'm with you on all that. It gives Phil a lot to debate because we've had, Man, we've had quite a gamut of stories this week. So we're gonna find out from Phil who clenched this one um and then uh, talking about being mindful, being you know, being mindful of what you buy, We're gonna go right to sale bin right after we hear from Phil for a deal that boy. You just can't miss Joe, give yourself more credit. You let off strong with that Jaws story. But I'm giving the wind to Miles an Olte. Miles, I appreciated your theme of throwing useless, harmful plastic trash into the water, but I have got to go. I'm gonna go try to bring in some ducks with a Peter bankman. Funko, Pop. You know she's mate, No, she's indeed. Why did you put the hand to pay? You don't know what I'm getting? Man, You didn't have to be so hurtful with me so angry. We have been getting a steady stream of sail Bin submissions from you guys, and we appreciate that deeply. And I gotta say congratulations to listener Tony Cordero, because you, my friend, scored honors as our first ever sail Bin item from the fan base with an absolute gem posted on Facebook marketplace in Cowa Chan Valley, British Columbia. All right, so up for grabs this week is a sixteen foot win A Boto with horsepower, mercury two stroke and trailer now. The official description reads half trailer, half house boat, horsepower Merk two stroke. If you're looking for a project parentheses needs work and a good time and a good time, this is for you fIF dred dollars or best offer. And I can barely even describe this. It's so outlandish. Do my best here. So someone took like a nineties, sixties or seventies model Winnebago, and we're talking about the smaller kind you pull behind your truck. Not hold up, I think. I hate to cut you off here, but it's not actually a Winnebago. Okay, it's like a knockout. I don't know what kind of trailer it is. It's just a cheap seventies pulled behind trailer. But to call it stream, he's not. It's not an airstream. No, But yeah, I don't know what it is. You can't even see what it is. He clearly makes it. The photos don't tell you the make or model. But this thing is not. This is some kind of knockoff brand. I can tell you that much, right now, fair enough, because there was no brand jumping out at me. So I I don't know trailers, so I just went with Winnebago. But not okay, but what what they did here? Uh? They added a back deck, and then I guess somehow sealed up the bottom and turned it into a homemade house boat. But here's here's the thing. It's still trailer able, right, So in other words, it's not like they chopped the bottom off the knockoff winnie and then glued that into a boat hole. Like the tires and wheel wells and attached trailer tongue are all still fully intact. All of it's there, So the exception of the back deck and the and the outboard, you'd never know it was a boat, right. And I suppose someone could could run with this concept and do this really really well if they wanted to, if that was their calling in life. But this does not appear to have been done really really well. I mean, I I don't know, dude. I would not go out on the water on this vessel. I wouldn't go more than off shore on this vessel. I can tell you that right now. It's it's I think you have to like, if you're looking at this, if you were looking at it from the front end, you would have no idea that it was anything. Just a crappy old trailer. That's that's what it looks like, and then you flip it around to the back and there's the strange open deck on the back, which you know, Okay, that's a little weird on a trailer, but maybe like maybe like the party outside, that's cool. But then there's a Mercury outboard hanging off the trand like there's a transom that's been reinforced and the Mercury outboard. I feel like this is so close to brilliance, right I do, because someone's like, man, you know what, I would love to have my trailer that I could just put on the water, like I love dragging around, I love doing, but I want a boat to Why can't it be both? And my hat is off to the ingenuity there, but I am not sold on the engineering. That's that's where I'm not sold on this one, right right, and again it just looks like a box trailer, like there was no attempt at like a v hall or it would just be like a floating box on the water. But there are shots of it adrift, okay, with like a bunch of hippie kids on the roof. It looks like a spring brea, yeah, raising hard sighters in the air. Um. But as you pointed out a few observations I had in the photos that sucker is very very close to shore, Like they're not in the middle of Puget Sound in that some bitch like it's right near the ramp or or whatever. Um. But now if you if you look at the interior shots of the cabin, though, yeah, there's some water damage in there, right. Have you grown up in a house with a basement that floods? I know moldy buckling wood paneling when I see it, and there was water in that cabin. Having slept in old seventies trailers more than once that had leaky roofs, and like had had leaky roofs for a long time, that's what this looks like. Everything's peeling off the walls. There's definitely black mold hiding just under the surface of everything. And there's nothing that has changed about this interior since it came off of the assemb blue line in two Yeah, down to the floral print yep on the booth, and I see, I feel like we're thinking differently about this, Like I almost feel like this was a joke, like a gimmick. Somebody slapped us together and they dropped it on the water just to prove it floats and take a few funny photos. But you couldn't call it a serious sound craft. No, but Tony didn't make a good point in his email. He said, how could you possibly get a b u I if you're at home, it's a no. That is a sound although I think that this has probably been settled case law when it comes to house boats. But I don't know. I haven't dug into that one. Yeah, and fun follow up fact, Okay, I I recently re click the link and don't you know it's sold. Somebody slapped down THEO and is now the proud owner of the win a Boto. I would honestly buy that person a six pack for their inaugural maiden voyage. If that person is listening, please reach out to us because we'd love to know how progress is coming. We want to know anyway, Tony, thank you for sending the win a boato our way, and to the rest of you, please keep the sale bin submissions coming. Uh see some fishing related nonsense for sale online where you live. Fire those links to bent at the meat eater dot com. Sadly, though, it is creeping in on that time of year when we're all forced to win arize our winter botos. But if your glasses have full person it's it's not all bad. You know, win arizing the winter botos let's a pain in the guest. Uh. And this this episode, in a way, is kind of like a changing of the season. We started out with dry flies, and we know the hatches are dwindling. But if you're a streamer junkie, and lord knows there are too many of you out there these days, listen up because we've got a tackle hack from our buddy and streamer guru, Brian Wise of fly Fishing the Ozarks that we promise will up your game when you finally put the October catus away and break out the sex dungeons and uh. Side note those are actual fly names, so please don't flood me with hate mail. I didn't make that up. I'm getting hats coming from inside the city like the flood. Today, we've got a tackle hack from a extremely good friend of mine. Most of you probably know him, Brian Wise of fly Fishing the Ozarks, the streamer o g who. As as far as I'm concerned, you've you've popularized streamer fishing in this country. Agree or disagree to totally disagree. No, Kelly, Kelly Gallup might have tied him first, but you made him cool. Okay, No, anybody can. Anybody can put stupid music to fly tying videos, and anybody can do that. So you don't actually like the scrill x music what you're saying, not at all. No, I kind of hated well. Aside from tying them beautifully, you are also a guide in uh Missouri. I've been doing that for a long time and uh kind of by default, whether you want to be or not, you are the streamer dude, which means that we need a juicy streamer fishing tip from you for all the meat chuckers out there, and god, they're almost too many of these days, aren't there. But I was gonna say, I was gonna say, if you really are the guy the popularized streamer fishing, I kind of want to kick you in the nuts because ago ten years ago, like it was just me and a couple of the dudes doing it, and now it's every bro with a flat brim and a drift boat ahead of me being like, bro, you're ripping meat or what? So if if it was you, Bryan and I'm not saying it was Joe Is, but if it was you, we may not be friends. They got an eight weight in one hand in a Brian Wise video going in the other on their smart on their cell phone race. But you know, uh, as we've learned from you and many others, streamer fishing is certainly not mindless. There is craft and a lot of technique to it. So what do you got for us, man? What's something that you've learned is critical in the game? Right? So you know a lot of times when you when people think streamer fishing, and your mind immediately goes to big flies and sinking lines. I mean, that's just kind of the way it goes. So several years ago, sinking lines equaled like level leaders, you know, everybody was just everybody would just say, like, I need a three ft section of sixteen pound tests. And this is where I disagree. This is where this is where I kind of disagree. You do I do? I totally do? All right? All right, I feel like I have to sell you, Miles. Do I have to sell you on this? I don't know about selling, but I'm very curious to hear your your rationale and explore again. I'm sure you're probably right. I just want to understand it better because I'm probably doubt it. Um So, what we see so many times is we'll have an eat within two or three seconds tops of the fly landing right on the bank. Okay, So so you can you can lay a fly on the bank and before you have a clue what's going on, you already see a brown in the water shaking its head and it's on. It's there. Um So, what we need is a fly to turnover all the way we need to fly to straighten out. We need everything. I mean, in a perfect world, man, you can make a hundred foot cast and that last four or five ft turns over beautifully. But it doesn't always do that with a big fly and level line. So when you put like a fifteen to twenty section of of thirty to forty five pounds, mono, I'm still kind of a bunno guy, but um mono, on the end of that sinking line, what you have is just a little bit of extra taper for lack of better word, to help turn over that fly. So so you don't run into those those those times where you have a little bit of pile that ended up happening right at the end of the cast um on a level line, and you're watching that brown's headshake and you can't come tight. So that's my thing. So it's an insurance policy really for those those ones. And it's just about basically staying a straight on that fly from the second it hits down exactly miles. How wrong do you feel right now? I mean, are we comparing it to like a normal everyday conversation with my wife wrong, or like I've really really screwed something up and in like all my life choice is wrong. I'm gonna say it's more on the normal every day side. My takeaway on this is that there's very little margin for error when you're talking about like that one fish that you want to get, and when you're throwing big flies, you're really after that one fish. And so what I hear you saying, Brian is do everything you possibly can to maximize your ability to come tight to that and that this even it might it might only get you a couple of extra inches, but those inches might be the difference between being successful and not being successful. I think that's a valid point, and we can and we can all use a few extra inches at all times every chance I get yes, we are about at a time here on bent, which brings us to the end of the line. The segment that leaves you with a better sense of what to cast this weekend based on historical data and generally are worthless instincts. So this week Miles is going to bring it home with a nod to an o G metal with some bling and also managed to work in cocaine Lake trout Zell and something the entire province of Ontario should feel good about. Well, that's not allowed enough. Spoons are o G at least as far as fishing lures are concerned. For thousands of years, anglers have known that if you drag something curved and shining through water, good chance officiill bite it. Over time, though spoons have become pretty refined. You can find innumerable permutations suited to specific situations and species, but certain spoons have become iconic and modern tackle. And while I'm sure we'll cover some of the big ones eventually in this segment, I'm gonna start with a slightly lesser known classic, the Red Eyed Wiggler. The defining characteristic of this spoon is right there in the name it has two ruby red eyes. These eyes aren't painted on, as would become fashionable later. The original red eye actually had large cut glass beads built into the body of the spoon, though the glass was later swapped for plastic. Of course, red eye wigglers were thought of as vintage even when I was a kid, but they're still manufactured today. I remember being pissed about my family going to an antique store when I was like ten, but then I discovered the vintage fishing tackle section. I stared at those old boxes and rusted hooks until my folks dragged me out of there carrying a slightly tarnished red eyed wiggler, certain that it held enough ancient mojo to mesmerize every fish that saw it. But I was wrong. I never actually caught a single thing on that lure, and it eventually moved from the tackle box to a shelf because even though I couldn't catch fish on it, something about it just stuck with me. It looked cool, but set aside my own inability to use this bait. Turns out, the red eyed Wiggler has a pretty impressive pedigree, so there's a reason I was drawn to it. The lure came out in manufact shared by the hof Schneider Corporation of Rochester, New York. The company's founder, Dr. Frederick J. Hof Schneider, was a local dentist with a penchant for invention and fishing. In ninety six, he patented the automatic Dental Lubricator, a device that revolutionized dentistry by reducing pain for patients getting their teeth thrilled. Remember this is the twenties. Novicaine wasn't widely used yet. I mean, they just got past giving people cocaine to do dentistry. At that point, dentists just strapped their victims down and dove in with foot pedal drills that got extremely hot as they bore through tooth and anvel. Dr Hoschneider's invention kept drill bits constantly wet, and that minimized heat from friction and pain and and all the other things that went along with that heat. That didn't make cavity filling painless, but it was a heck of a lot better than the hot knife method that had been doing. And now it seems like that's the invention hof Schneider should be remembered for the one that helped minimize pain suffer and collateral damage and dental patients. But no, it's not. He's remembered for a fishing lure. In fact, after a few years, demand for the lures grew so large that the haf Schneider Corporation stopped manufacturing dental equipment entirely. They went on to produce a whole line of Red Eyed lures, but the Wiggler remained their top seller and claim to fame. That fame was cemented in nineteen fifty two when Hubert Hammers caught a sixty two pound, two ounce lake trout from the Canadian side of Lake Superior on a wiggler. That fish stood as the hook and line world record laker for nearly twenty years and is still the Ontario provincial record. The hof Schneider Corporation sold manufacturing rates for the entire Red Eye line to Scotch game Calls in nineteen seventy nine, and then Eppinger, makers of the Daredevil Spoon, purchased Scotch game calls in so you can still buy brand new wigglers from Eppinger. And there's a whole cadre of Northern pike and lake trout fishermen who swear by them, saying that the oversized red eyes act as strike triggers, possibly imitating immature smallmouth bass. Me I'm still not convinced. I always found that these spoons had a tendency to roll instead of wiggle, so they had to be fished at just the right speed. But I think that's a met problem, not so much a wiggler problem. And really, who cares what I think about this lure. It's been in production for nearly a century and caught bigger fish than I've ever seen. It's the signature brainchild of an entrepreneur and inventor who, aside from his dental drills and fishing lures, also came up with new pinball machines and beer taps. The Wigglers more than just a fishing lure. It represents some of the greatest aspects of early twentieth century America. That's more worthy of celebration than any record fish. For the as view keeping track this semester, we've learned that Joe is one of the few men on the planet that actually knows what a pillow sham is. Why you don't hire a guide when what you really need as a marriage counselor and that I'm about to get bombarded with emails about filthy fly names and my inability to fish a simple spoon. Yeah, if you're digging the curriculum, please give us some stars and leave a review wherever it is you consume podcasts. Also, we love hearing from you guys, and we've been having a blast combing through your emails, so please keep those coming to bent at the meat eater dot com. Yes, keep those bar nominations, stories and sale bin items rolling in drink Black Rifle coffee so you can stay up even later scrolling for ridiculous things to send us until next week. 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