00:00:14 Speaker 1: My name is Clay Knucomb and this is a production of the Bear Grease podcast called The Bear Grease Render, where we render down, dive deeper, and look behind the scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. Brought to you by Tokvi's Boots. I'm a cowboy boot man and I've been wearing to Covis for years, the most comfortable boot I've ever put on. Good boots for good times. Welcome to the Bear Grease Render. We have a skeleton crew today, but we knew that it was going to work out because of the hard hitting guests that we have. That's right, that's right we have. We'll go counterclockwise, actually clockwise, and we'll introduce our special guest at the end, who is sitting in a TA Covis hot seat. You may not have known that. If you've noticed there's boots on your chair, you are in the Ta coves hot seat. But to my left, I have my wife, doctor mister nukeom good to be so great to have you here. 00:01:21 Speaker 2: Ah, he's good to be here. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: Yes, we've got Josh Lanbridge, spillmaker. 00:01:25 Speaker 3: I'm here. 00:01:26 Speaker 1: I'm here, yep. Who randomly I have to I have to tell people why his nickname is Landbridge. Yeah, you did it earlier today on a different podcast, but twenty years ago, Holly, I've not introduced to you yet, but foreshadowing our special special guest, his name Holly Holly. Twenty years ago, Josh Spillmaker had such a great mustache that it inspired me to learn about the baring land Bridge all in a flash. It was like, it was like it was like a revelational moment. I looked at this, it was like that around my mustache. It was like that. I don't know that I'd ever thought about the burying land Bridge of my life. And I looked at Josh one day in the stash it was like, it's connecting to continents. And I went and ordered a book called Beringia and it was it was not great. 00:02:21 Speaker 3: You read it and then passed it to me and it was unreadable. 00:02:24 Speaker 1: It was and that kind of set my life on a trajectory to be really interested in like anthropology and human history and the Americas and stuff. So Josh Landbridge is very welcome America the history. But our very special guest is Holly newkirkre Yes. It's it's great to have you and Holly was one of our storytellers on the Bear Grease Turkey Stories episode that was titled Bobcat Attacks, I Got I Got shot or getting shot, Bobcat Attacks and flint lock Yep. 00:03:01 Speaker 2: Yeah it is a good story too, really great. 00:03:03 Speaker 3: Fantastic story. 00:03:04 Speaker 1: Yeah. So we're gonna get in. We're gonna talk to Holly in detail in just a minute. But there's first off, this is this is Meat Eater's Turkey Week. So during Turkey Week where we're having a bunch of Turkey related content, we're having sales. I am wearing a hat right now that is a massy oak build hat with a Mediator logo, and we've partnered with the National Wild Turkey Federation and the Lost Hat Company and like just that made a short run of a bunch of different styles of hats and I got them right here. They're pretty cool. Yeah, Holly, this is just one of the surprises today. Would you like one of these hats? I would love to give you one if you if you if you saw one that you liked. 00:03:49 Speaker 4: I actually really liked this one. 00:03:51 Speaker 1: Yeah you like that one? Okay, we're gonna give you that one. Yeah. 00:03:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, I like this one a lot. I saw when you whenever I first walked up to you, like, I all like his hat. 00:03:59 Speaker 1: Oh cool, Well that's that's the one I'm wearing, isn't it. Okay, I can't see so turkey week man. You know what that? Are they doing a turkey call contest? 00:04:14 Speaker 3: I haven't heard anything about it. Okay, I think I think you've just put the hammer down so many times that may have just given up. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: I think. So that's where I was going to go with this, is that I have won the Meat Eater turkey call contest the last two years running, the only two times. 00:04:31 Speaker 2: With your turkey call you. 00:04:35 Speaker 1: No, no, no, just like a mouth call. 00:04:38 Speaker 2: I wonder if if I could win against Clay without. 00:04:42 Speaker 1: A call just oh mouth natural voice. 00:04:47 Speaker 6: I have a decent turkey call. Well, okay, I've got this microphone here. 00:04:52 Speaker 3: Pull the microwave microphone away from here. 00:04:54 Speaker 1: Just go for it a little bit. 00:04:57 Speaker 2: I'm being told two things at the same time. 00:04:58 Speaker 6: You listen to okay, okay, Well, and I haven't practiced, so sometimes it's the second time that's really good. 00:05:04 Speaker 2: But let's just try. No, it's it's a second time. 00:05:12 Speaker 1: To slow it down down, you. 00:05:19 Speaker 3: Natural voice. 00:05:20 Speaker 1: Misty, she's got a good tone, like a good tone. Yeah that's good, that's really good. 00:05:28 Speaker 5: And you call your mouth hauling. 00:05:33 Speaker 1: I've got a couple. 00:05:33 Speaker 6: I've got one skill set. I've got one one really good wilderness. 00:05:38 Speaker 3: Skill set, Policy reform. 00:05:40 Speaker 1: And so Turkey Week two, Phelps Turkey calls. So, man, this is uh, this this is cool. This is actually the third year that we've had this meat eater Phelps three pack of Prime Cuts, and there's a and Jason Phelps designed one of the calls on here. Jason Phelps has a call, and Steve Vanella has a call. And the biggest validation that I've ever received about this call was Lake Pickle requested specifically the NEWKEM prime Cut. Could he be playing me like a fit? Yes? Probably he could. I mean like, if a guy had his name on a Turkey call, I'd be calling him up and be like, man, that's the best call I ever heard one. Yeah, I mean that's pretty much what happened. But Lake, I believe him. I believe Lake. I think he actually likes it a lot. So it's a so anyway, Holly, I hope he got a gift. You would you would you like this mediator Prime Cuts diaphragm calls. 00:06:49 Speaker 5: You use it is Yeah, these are especially. 00:06:55 Speaker 1: I mean those are normal size. You said you'd like the smaller will be fun. You can cut the tape, like take a pair of scissors if it's too big. But I mean there's a youth diaphragm call that the actual you know, like the metal in the call is smaller. But you're probably not using one of those, are you the one? 00:07:16 Speaker 5: I already said many many whatever? 00:07:22 Speaker 4: What would I just say? 00:07:22 Speaker 5: It was a wood Haven as a mini wood Haven? 00:07:26 Speaker 1: Okay, I think it'll be fun. 00:07:29 Speaker 4: This is awesome, thank y'all. 00:07:30 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you when you were designing your turkey call? 00:07:35 Speaker 2: Yes, what specifically? 00:07:37 Speaker 6: Yours does look different than the other two specifically? 00:07:41 Speaker 1: Well, so in the turkey call business, guys that make turkey calls, you could tell them what you wanted the call to focus on. So some guys want a call that's just like really loud and raspy, say like that's that's the main thing they're interested in, is just just really well on one. So a call maker would then use a style of latex and a cut on the reeds that makes that happen. Other guys would want something that was soft and subtle, as they says, all right, and soft and subtle would be a lighter a lighter latex that would you could you could just make little purrs and clucks. And I went to Jason and I said, I want both, and. 00:08:26 Speaker 3: He was like, I've been just waiting for someone to tell me. 00:08:28 Speaker 1: He said, I don't know why anyone's never thought of this, that you could actually have both. Now there's some So it's a bat wing cut. So all these cuts misty. If you look at them, all the cuts on these calls, it looks random, but it's very specific and produces a certain sound super interesting. 00:08:46 Speaker 6: And Jason Philips is one that knows all that. Yeah, it's really impressive. 00:08:50 Speaker 1: That felt. Hey, the Phelps Calls now now I mean full disclosure, Phelps is owned by a meat eater, like this is a company that we I mean, it's it's our company, right, But I've blown every call known to man, and there's some great calls. Wood Haven is great. I'd be using wood Haven if it wasn't for Phelps, honestly was before. But the Phelps Calls uses quality of components as any call company. So there's all types of grades. Of of of materials that they use in those things that actually make them last longer, make them sound better, richer, easier to use. Anyway, it's good. It's a it's a legit call. It's a legit call. But calls do our people like certain brands just because they fit their mouth. I mean, so it's possible you could use a call and be like, man, I blow this one better, that one better, so that that happens for sure. 00:09:47 Speaker 3: But yeah, so get yourself some Turkey Week. 00:09:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, Turkey Week phelps get that prime cuts. Uh, just little housekeeping as well. Before we move on, the lion film Let's Good came out. Yeah, yep last week. So I went lion hunting in Utah with Hunter McClain, Meekham and Ty Evans. And if you hadn't seen the film, you should watch it. It's Meat Eaters twelve and twenty six, and so they're in I described this in detail earlier. Twenty six stands for twenty twenty six. Twelve stands for the months of the year. So they're going to make twelve films this year that are full length films. So Meter usually makes like twenty minute episodes. These are twelve full length films. Giannis had one last month, this one this month is mine and anyway, they're cool. 00:10:50 Speaker 6: I thought, I think we should give a shout out to the graphics design on the thumbnail for the whole because they made Clay's eyes look like a mountain. 00:11:00 Speaker 3: Oh did y'all notice I didn't notice that. 00:11:03 Speaker 2: Go back and look. When I looked at it, he looked. 00:11:06 Speaker 3: He was like, you're like me out. 00:11:16 Speaker 1: They did something that made it. But I don't think they were trying to mirror My eyes look like a lion's eyes because the lion's eyes. 00:11:22 Speaker 2: Are maybe your eyes just look like a lion's eyes. 00:11:24 Speaker 6: I don't know, you kind of look similar to that mountain lionsky. 00:11:30 Speaker 1: You'd have to ask Hunter Spencer. 00:11:32 Speaker 2: Clay's got good eyes. 00:11:34 Speaker 1: You know where can meet Hunter Spencer? Yeah, Spencer is he's Meteors graphic design guy and he lives in Virginia and he didn't know that he is, like his wife's a veterinarian. He's just like a super smart, educated, delightful person. And he says, idear, I got an idea, Yeah. 00:12:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah yeah. 00:12:02 Speaker 1: But when he says, because because we we talk about he used the word ideas a lot with me because he's a graphic designer. So when we talked to him, we're like, hey, I got an idea, and he he's he says, I got an idea. I'm just like, let's go. 00:12:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, I like it. 00:12:19 Speaker 1: I like it. I got a good and then when he can do what he does, anything that Strafford designed is going to be designed by him. But he did the he did the eye thing. 00:12:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd like to talk to Hunter about how like, does Clay just have a. 00:12:34 Speaker 6: Natural I think in your house the mountain lion, because they've got a mountain lion over here, and then Clay's got this like real like serious look and the mountain lion's got a serious look, and they're both looking and it's just kind of like. 00:12:48 Speaker 3: Make sure we get a thumbnail and popped up on this video podcast. 00:12:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't even think I actually looked at the camera like that. I think it's probably like yeah, I don't think so. Yeah, Okay, Well you can check out the film. It was cool. 00:13:06 Speaker 3: The film was great. Film was great. I really enjoyed it. 00:13:09 Speaker 1: It was great. The second time, I think we have to address the elephant. No, they they uploaded the wrong video at first, so it was kind of a bummer. So for like five or six hours there was It wasn't a bad video, it was just the wrong one. I mean, it was my it was it was the video of a lion hunt, but there was no it. 00:13:31 Speaker 3: Was the exact same video. It just didn't have the narration. 00:13:34 Speaker 1: Right, which dramatically compromises the story. 00:13:39 Speaker 3: I think we should have release both in the future and you can choose your own adventures. 00:13:42 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I think that's good because some people said, oh, you know, I really liked that. 00:13:47 Speaker 3: It was just. 00:13:50 Speaker 1: It happens. There was like a lot of really long, like cinematic yeah, like drone shots across the landscape with no music and it was just like nothing. And then so in the in the correct version, there was voiceover, so I would like, I'd be like, we were in not Idaho for five days and we were doing this and doing that, you know, so you kind of take the story along with narration, and so the first version of it didn't have that, and so like at midnight it. 00:14:20 Speaker 5: Was like the real Yeah, it. 00:14:22 Speaker 1: Was just yeah, yeah, it kind of yeah. When I hunt, though, there's narrators. When I'm in the woods, it's like turn to the left, turn. 00:14:31 Speaker 6: I can actually attest to this. There's always Clay's always narrating. Like I feel like my life has a narration, just I have a narrator and an interpreter who's always trying to true Story's big benefit of being married to Clays. 00:14:45 Speaker 2: You just get like. 00:14:46 Speaker 1: Narration interpret I like to think it's just interpreting life for those. 00:14:52 Speaker 2: Around Yeah, and I appreciate it. 00:14:56 Speaker 1: I only talk a lot on podcasts like true it's pretty Do your mom and dad do they do? They do? They laugh at each other and make fun of each other. This is okay. We established earlier that her siblings structure is identical to our children. 00:15:22 Speaker 5: All their siblings and their kids are the same age as my siblings. 00:15:25 Speaker 6: You have three girls and one boy, right, Yeah, that's that's so we've got two girls and two boys, but basically the same ages, all the same. 00:15:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, within a year. 00:15:34 Speaker 1: So that's a great that's a great time. 00:15:38 Speaker 5: We did. 00:15:38 Speaker 1: We did. This is Holly Newkirk. She was she told a Turkey story. 00:15:42 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:15:43 Speaker 1: But Holly, you're a sophomore at the University of Arkansas. What are you studying. 00:15:48 Speaker 5: I'm doing business with a minor in entomology, and then soon hopefully you'll be a master's in entomology. 00:15:53 Speaker 1: Okay, entomology, I really should. 00:15:55 Speaker 4: Know that word study of bugs. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: That's okay, that's what I thought. So is that going to be used in like crop science kind of stuff like bugs that are bad? 00:16:05 Speaker 4: Yes, sir, yep for the crops. 00:16:06 Speaker 5: This past couple of summers, I've worked through the university's research station in Stuttgart and we do trials Arkansas, spraying chemicals and trying to get rid of the bugs all the road crops. 00:16:15 Speaker 1: What's your what's the worst bug out there? 00:16:18 Speaker 5: I think it's the army worms, because the army worms come in so fast, they eat it all down and they're gone. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: And what do they What did they eat? What army worms eat? 00:16:25 Speaker 5: They eat from the like the leaf part of the plant, all the way up they I don't think. 00:16:29 Speaker 6: We have army worms in northwest Arkansas, all right, any of the crops I have that I'm aware of. 00:16:34 Speaker 2: What do they do they in southeast I could they? 00:16:37 Speaker 5: I don't know if they're up here. I've been come up here with ye down south for at least the big group. They're like, if you have any wheat field or rice, Okay, it's just gonna look like you mowed through it. Really, it's gonna look like it's completely mowed down in man section. 00:16:49 Speaker 1: That's still a real issue today in modern agriculture. Army worms fall. 00:16:54 Speaker 4: Army worms are really bad. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: So the army worm is does it turn into a moth or a butter fly or something? 00:17:01 Speaker 5: Honestly, I should know this, but I I should know this, don't. 00:17:06 Speaker 1: We don't. 00:17:07 Speaker 2: G didn't know. 00:17:08 Speaker 1: What's your professor's name. 00:17:11 Speaker 2: There's basically a test here. 00:17:12 Speaker 5: Yeah, well I should Well, I just I don't know. I don't. 00:17:15 Speaker 1: I don't know either. But if it's a worm, it just makes me think. I wonder if it's a larvae stage of like it is it is. 00:17:21 Speaker 4: No, I'm thinking of a different bug. Now. I don't know. I should know this. 00:17:24 Speaker 1: Just call it. 00:17:25 Speaker 3: She's just a soft. 00:17:28 Speaker 4: This is gonna be. 00:17:29 Speaker 5: Bad because my sister's boyfriend's gonna listen to this, and he's PhD. I work under him. Yeah, we can, we can edit. 00:17:38 Speaker 2: Let me ask you something, bowl weaver. Is that still an issue? 00:17:42 Speaker 4: No, they're not issues hardly anymore. 00:17:43 Speaker 1: Oh, really, what happened to them. 00:17:45 Speaker 4: They got they started. 00:17:46 Speaker 5: Uh, there's some story of like moth that went out and they breeded. 00:17:51 Speaker 1: These army worm. Army worm moths basically. 00:17:56 Speaker 3: Is another name for genus spot up spot up Terra, a group of moths in the family not to e Day, commonly known as army worms or cutworms. They do turn into a moth. 00:18:06 Speaker 4: They do turn Okay, Okay, I never dealt with them as a moth. 00:18:09 Speaker 1: Okay. So the bow bow weavels used to be made used to. 00:18:12 Speaker 4: Be major issues. 00:18:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope I'm telling you all the right facts here. 00:18:16 Speaker 2: It's okay. 00:18:19 Speaker 3: I know. 00:18:23 Speaker 5: There's bull worms and stuff that we do in cotton, but I'm trying to make sure I'm getting right facts here. 00:18:27 Speaker 4: I work is. 00:18:27 Speaker 5: There's so many bugs that go on at one time. But if I'm thinking of the right story that I got told, I think they are a professor. So it wasn't even the one I worked with. Some professor. He could be wrong here. 00:18:36 Speaker 1: This is on him. 00:18:37 Speaker 5: This is on him. I don't even know his name. Don't know his name. But they had these multi ideala they bred and they went out and ate the larvae of the bowt weavils. Okay, if I'm correct, that could be a total different bug I'm thinking of. But I'm pretty sure it's the bow weavils. 00:18:52 Speaker 1: But but I think I have heard that the bow weevil is not what it used It's not the the it used to be like the thing, and then now it's not that big a deal. Kind of like, I. 00:19:03 Speaker 5: Haven't seen a single bowl weavil, so it's never seen a bowl. I've never caught one or seen one while I'm working in these posts. 00:19:09 Speaker 3: And a bull weavils what you'd find in your flower sometimes. 00:19:13 Speaker 2: Like your bread. 00:19:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, like your flower. Brother, I feel like. 00:19:17 Speaker 3: When I was a kid, like you find bull weavils. 00:19:20 Speaker 1: Really, are you getting back in nineteen thirty? 00:19:24 Speaker 3: I am going to I'm about to be fifty, so it was a long time ago. 00:19:27 Speaker 2: Do you know? 00:19:28 Speaker 6: I didn't know this, but you can't grow cotton in Arkansas unless you have a permit for it. 00:19:33 Speaker 2: Really, I didn't know that. 00:19:34 Speaker 1: But there was a This podcast is just taking a complete direction. I wasn't anticipating. I love it. Let's go. I think we should get I was an aag to we're going to get there, Holly. 00:19:43 Speaker 6: Well, I think the one thing that you guys should know because since you're in agg you probably would never be on like a gardening Facebook page. It is can be a little bit of an unhealthy environment. The gardening Facebook page's brutal. Sometimes they're really helpful, but like you put up a non native plant. Someone and does that and I'm like, oh, no, that person's about to get eviscerated. 00:20:03 Speaker 2: I mean there, and they just like go at them in the comments. 00:20:06 Speaker 6: And so anyway, so someone someone put out a request. They were like, hey, I'll drive, I'd like to grow some cotton. I'll grow, I'll drive anywhere to go get it. And boy, the comment section lit up and I had no idea. Everyone was everyone said that is illegal. We're gonna have to take this post off. 00:20:24 Speaker 3: Wow. 00:20:24 Speaker 6: And then they made like a statement that because you're not allowed to have a legal illegal plants on the gardening page and I didn't know that, but it's it's illegal unless you have a permit because I maybe disease maybe uh, bugs that can come in with plants. I don't know, but it's got to be highly regulated. And that was interesting to me because Lewis dropped them my great grandpa one time. 00:20:49 Speaker 2: My dad and I hit. My great grandpa. 00:20:50 Speaker 6: Loved to grow like weird stuff like he loved to grow just for the sake of being like, you know, purple broccoli and things like that. He loved to growth that no one else said that you could. Everybody else said you couldn't grow. And we lived in the wash ititalls, And one day we drove up to his house and he was just staring the only person there outside at his garden, just staring at it, smiling, And my dad said, what did he grow? And we walk in there and he knew he had grown something. And we walk over there and he was not He didn't talk a ton, you know, like he was not a man of many words. And we walked over there and he didn't even look up at us. He just sat there smiling, and he said, they say you can't grow a cotton and the washers and he pointed at it, and he had grown four little plants of cotton. So he probably Yeah, he probably broke the law and would have been not I don't think he would. 00:21:39 Speaker 2: Have made it in the garden. 00:21:41 Speaker 1: On the gardening page, yeah, I think he was got in. 00:21:43 Speaker 2: Trouble a lot on that gardening page. 00:21:45 Speaker 1: Well, uh, you know what we need to do right off the top though, is the big thing for Holly Big revealed that Josh was trying. 00:21:55 Speaker 3: Out to spill the beans on. 00:21:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, so, because you're in the Takova's hot seat, if if you would like we we would love to give you a pair of to Covi's boots of your choice. 00:22:07 Speaker 4: Wait as she would, Yeah, I don't know if you. 00:22:09 Speaker 1: Wear cowboy boots much. They have a lot of different kind of women's women's shoes that that additional to like boots. But uh, yeah, so we're gonna we're gonna give you. We're gonna give you a gift certificate that you will be able to go to there's a COVID store here in Rogers in Rogers, I think it's the only one in Arkansas or you can well. 00:22:33 Speaker 5: I might just go check that out today's party in town. 00:22:36 Speaker 1: Yeah awesome. 00:22:38 Speaker 6: Somehow Josh asked, like, of all of our guests, what size shoes they wore? 00:22:43 Speaker 2: When you said, we've got a pair of. 00:22:45 Speaker 1: See, that's the that's the challenge we to COVID is so awesome to us that give everybody boots. They're like just everybody that comes in the door get them some boots and but it's kind of it's hard. 00:22:59 Speaker 3: Hard when you don't know what shoe size. You know, you want to trap hair boots on. 00:23:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very generous. 00:23:03 Speaker 3: And to COVI, this is great. Like if you order online and you get a pair of boots that don't fit just. 00:23:07 Speaker 1: Well, and they also have a bunch of gear like that's COVID. 00:23:12 Speaker 6: You could you could shirt clo shirt. 00:23:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, awesome, thank you? 00:23:20 Speaker 1: All Okay, all right, hope you brought a bag. 00:23:24 Speaker 4: I got a whole car. Can pack. 00:23:27 Speaker 1: Anything else we want to give you can put in your car. So, so you're a You are an entomology student at the University of Arkansas, and what will you do with that degree? 00:23:39 Speaker 5: Right now? The plan is to be a chemical sales rep. That's the goal, but anything can change. I'm opening anything. 00:23:44 Speaker 1: About why would you this is this is not this question could sound like I was trying to like dig at you. I'm not why would you want to be a chemical sales rep? 00:23:55 Speaker 5: I just want to be in sales something in sales and chemical sounds. That's what we've been working with the law justicles, trying to my own testing them. Yeah, and it just sounds funding my cousin. 00:24:03 Speaker 4: To get them a lot. He told me to get my shout outs, to shout out Trevor. 00:24:07 Speaker 5: But he got me set up through this whole entomology path and I was on even on the phone the you don't have to do chemicalssels because I told you. I'm like, no, that sounds awesome. And basically just because he set me up on the path and he hopes you will and He's hooked me up the whole way, and I'm like, thank you, Trevor. So I'm just following his footsteps. 00:24:24 Speaker 1: Right there you go. And so you grew up in the Arkansas Delta so for people, and. 00:24:27 Speaker 5: He grew up even in Stutgart, so he was right there there. 00:24:30 Speaker 1: Okay, they're kind of the heart of it. So like in Arkansas, I've said so many times, but the eastern side of Arkansas is where the lot of aggland Mississippi River Delta flat land, lot of agge. The part that we're in right now in northwest Arkansas is no agg I mean, we're hours from any kind of row crop agriculture to any degree. But people that live over in the east kind of know that world. So you kind of grew up around roe crop agrigs. 00:24:56 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, my front yard's afield pay side. He's just fields. 00:25:01 Speaker 1: Buff, yes, sir, which I would know Devall's bluff, not because I have duck hunted there, but you hear people talk about duck hunting in that part of the world. 00:25:09 Speaker 4: It's just right besides Stucker. 00:25:10 Speaker 2: So it's there. 00:25:11 Speaker 4: You go back and forth. 00:25:12 Speaker 1: Yep, are you duck hunter? 00:25:20 Speaker 5: I am. I am a duck hunter. I don't do I don't do very good, but I do really enjoy it. 00:25:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, can you call you duck call? 00:25:27 Speaker 5: I actually told myself I would not learn a duck call just so I always have somebody to go with me to not learn a duck call, because I don't like go by myself. So I'm like, if I don't learn, somebody's always going to go with You're gonna have to. And if I wear my daw look down long enough, he's just gonna be Okay, let's go to you. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: Let's go. 00:25:43 Speaker 5: But I have a family friend that he goes with me most of the time and he calls for me all the time, and I just just stand there and you know what I mean. 00:25:49 Speaker 1: You have the exact same philosophy and dut exactly. I can't duck call. I just like going with people that can. 00:25:56 Speaker 5: I started to learn. I was like, Nope, this is not for me. I'm a girl. Gosh all to be honey with me if I'm going duck hunting anyway. 00:26:02 Speaker 1: But turkey hunt is different, though, is different? 00:26:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, you got that one alone. 00:26:06 Speaker 4: I did that one by myself. 00:26:07 Speaker 2: Very impressive. 00:26:08 Speaker 5: Yes, with turkey hunt, you have to go further and travel further kids, not just in my backyard. 00:26:11 Speaker 4: So I have to learn that one on my own and be able to find it out myself. 00:26:14 Speaker 1: Okay, man, when I heard your story, I mean I was, I was like, I was probably like your dad. I was proud of you. I was like, dang, that's to go out and find land. And then number two, I mean, I'm a grown adult, and it's intimidating to go ask like cold call on someone and ask them for permission to hunt the. 00:26:36 Speaker 5: Probably so scary. We Actually the reason I even went to their house was like, I wasn't supposed to be going in that direction. I was delivering flowers. I did some side job delivering flowers, and she sent me way out there. And it was one night. I had plans and I was so mad. I did not want to go up there. I was like, Dad, this lady's sending me out like fifty miles out of town. I do not want to go. And I was so mad to go ot there. Then I'll get out there. 00:26:54 Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, it's so pretty. 00:26:55 Speaker 5: So I dropped a pin on my on X and I started looking at land all around. I'm like, oh, let's see which has big set of big chunks of land out here. It's like three days later, I go hag out there and start knocking on doors with everybody. I probably knocked on like ten or so doors in this one really oh yeah. 00:27:09 Speaker 4: It was scary. 00:27:09 Speaker 5: And he was actually the second guy knocked on. He was like yeah, I know, Like wait really because I just knock on the door. He's like come in and I'm. 00:27:15 Speaker 4: Like, oh shoot. 00:27:16 Speaker 5: Like the first thing he said was come in, and I'm like, he does not know who I am, and I'm in the middle. I've drove down dart roads forever like I don't know who Yeah, so what did you go in? What did your dad say about that? 00:27:29 Speaker 2: To do that? 00:27:29 Speaker 5: Next time I opened the door and I'm like sitting at the door then and they're gonna get up and like come greet me in this there's just two old couple and the five man. 00:27:37 Speaker 1: Okay, so there you're you're you're. 00:27:40 Speaker 5: Well, I opened the door and I'm like eas and I'm kind of like see what I'm looking at and he's like they're just sitting there and he's like turning his head to me, and I see, okay, they're both here, So I walking away better better? Yeah, they're like I was like, I'm hauling there, like take a seat, and I'm like, oh, dear, I go in and I take a seat. And I talked to him for like thirty minutes of like you can hunt this whenever you want, like have adamm so proud of you for doing. 00:27:59 Speaker 3: This and coming out of here chemicals too. 00:28:02 Speaker 4: I did not sell the chemicals now. 00:28:04 Speaker 1: So so you're you were you discerned the situation correctly, like that these were genuine decent and they and they became that. 00:28:13 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I and visit them. 00:28:15 Speaker 5: I visited them a couple times a year already to not even be in Turkey season, just to keep the relationship and because they're so sweet to be around. 00:28:20 Speaker 1: Wow, that's awesome. But but what makes people really sweet sometimes is when they have ten strutters in their front yard. Oh yeah that, oh yeah? 00:28:29 Speaker 5: Pulling up? And I was pulling up that day. I was like, I just got to be a joke. I thought I was being. 00:28:33 Speaker 1: Pranked or something. Somebody's got decoys out there. You were coming. 00:28:37 Speaker 5: I was like, I've got to be pranked, Like what's going on here? 00:28:39 Speaker 4: And I'm looking around. 00:28:40 Speaker 5: I was like my eyes were like as big as my whole face and I was like, what am I looking at right now? 00:28:44 Speaker 4: And it was awesome. I was like my heart'shart being. 00:28:46 Speaker 5: As soon as I walked up, and I was like, Okay, if I don't get this one, I'm gonna be heartbroken. And it was the only land out of any of the doors I knocked on that I saw turkeys on before I knocked on the door. Wow. 00:28:54 Speaker 4: And it was the only one I got a yes. 00:28:55 Speaker 1: So so they would have been. You know, sometimes when you meet ranchers landowners that aren't hunters, they have like little awareness of what's on their land. But I assume driving their seeing turkeys like they knew they were. 00:29:11 Speaker 4: They definitely knew there were turkeys. 00:29:12 Speaker 5: They he told me as soon as I said something turkey, I got those everywhere and he thought it was like no, He's like, could. 00:29:17 Speaker 3: You send me that pin? 00:29:20 Speaker 5: I'm going to keep that one think but I said something or I said something about trick turkey hunt. He was we got turkeys everywhere, Like you just selling his back porch to shoot something. I'm like, oh, like, I like to put a little effort and I'm not gonna sitend in your back door and shoot a turkey. The day I finally killed the turkey, I went up to the door and told him. 00:29:37 Speaker 4: He's like okay. 00:29:38 Speaker 5: I was like, wait, this is a big deal, Like I'm to celebrate. 00:29:41 Speaker 1: Oh, he didn't think much. 00:29:42 Speaker 5: He did. 00:29:42 Speaker 1: He wasn't like he's like pumped. 00:29:44 Speaker 5: Cool, like he just thought it was casual. And I'm like, yeah, he's never I found out this a couple of weeks. So he's never even been turkey hunting. He's gone elk hunting in Colorado and bear honey, all the hunting, deer hunting, duck honey, everything except for turkey hunting. Wow. 00:29:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, so he didn't missing out. 00:29:58 Speaker 5: He didn't. He's missing big time. He didn't understand the. 00:30:01 Speaker 1: Hopefully he doesn't listen to this podcast and then they'll be like, oh man, I need I need it. Well, okay, So the surprising part of your story to me and the scary part and the part that kind of built a little bit of a storyline in the whole episode, which was completely unintentional, was this issue of safety really like your first part of your story. So you're sitting there, you know, she's sitting there calling in this bird, seize the bird. She believes she's the only one on the property, at least on this side of the property that you were on, and like, you're about to shoot these turkeys. 00:30:39 Speaker 5: Oh, I was gunned up. I was dead on these targes. I was like they were pretty much in range whenever they were there. But I'm like, there's no need. 00:30:46 Speaker 4: To stretch it. 00:30:47 Speaker 1: And I was like, they're coming. 00:30:48 Speaker 5: They're coming, like there's nothing stopping them here, Like yep, I'm not. They can't see me. I'm on behind a big tree them like they can't see me. I can see them. 00:30:55 Speaker 4: I was chilling. 00:30:56 Speaker 5: They were coming in and they were gobbling, just at themselves and everything, and I'm like, this is ideal. So I'm just in here waiting on them and yeah, out of nowhere. The guy shoots, and I'm like what, And I like jolt back when he's shop where. 00:31:09 Speaker 1: Was he in relationship? So like you're you're pointing your gun at like twelve o'clock, let's say clock. 00:31:14 Speaker 4: Yeah, if I'm shooting this way, okay, I'm gonna go right here. Caause's in front of me. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's she's pointing at me. 00:31:21 Speaker 5: She's she's the turkey's coming at me. And I'm seeing this way. They're literally like right here. They are just to my right, probably forty five fifty yards and there's like a little it goes up right there and there's trees. I couldn't see over that. This is a tiny little up but I couldn't see over that little bit right there. And so they shot and I was like jolting back because it sounded like it was me shooting. 00:31:41 Speaker 4: I knew I didn't shoot. 00:31:43 Speaker 5: They was so close, and I'm like freaking out, and I see the turkey. I thought like it flought for a minute, but I guess it did later got up run because I sui ay sean, I dug down. I didn't know what was going on. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: I got scared, and I'm like watching them. 00:31:54 Speaker 5: When I see these two guys, it's like an older man, I guess a younger guy. I'm probably guessing like a twelve year old with him. And because I thought at the time it was an older guy. Finds out because I thought it was two older guys, and I was like, oh, that was really short to be an older guy. But I'm like, they wouldn't bring a kid out here on opening day. I don't know why I thought that, but for some reason my head I thought that. But anyways, ends up being it's like a twelve year old because I knew he was short, and they're running and they were running to it, and I was like, man, this is awful. And I was like heartbroken, and I'm like, what do I do now? 00:32:22 Speaker 1: Like you didn't okay, it surprised me a little bit that you didn't like address him, but I guess I guess I just me a dog. 00:32:30 Speaker 5: I tuck my tail and went straight down that hill. I like hid from why I never gonna let the Hiven knowew that's probably smart. I didn't know. I didn't even know they were allowed to be on this land because I was like, okay, surely they would not cross the line that he told us not to cross with him, saying if somebody does come, which is a low chance, they'll be on my side. 00:32:43 Speaker 4: I'm like, no one's gonna cross that. They're gonna listen to. 00:32:45 Speaker 1: The land So did you figure out who they were? Yes? 00:32:48 Speaker 5: I did figure out and it ended up being the guy that he thought would be coming, and it was his son with him, and they missed the turkey. They'd even kill the turkey and it was a little son that shot and that was just hunting. Okay, so first time unting. They were definitely on the one. So yeah, I told the landowner and he's like, oh, they should not have done that. I wanted to call him and I was like, yeah, I mean, don't get them in trouble. Don't mean to get them in trouble like that was dangerous, Like I thought I was getting shot out at that point. 00:33:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:33:14 Speaker 5: He was like, oh, that won't happen again, Like next time, you'll have it to yourself. We're not gonna let this happen again. 00:33:18 Speaker 1: Well wow, well it it really is an issue. I mean, when you're turkey out and you know, I mean I said it on the episode, but like all other types of firearm hunting, you pretty much are wearing Hunter's orange. Now squirrel hunting and stuff, you don't have to. But squirrel hunts a little bit a bit different because you're you're shooting up but uh, but but most firearm related there's a lot of caution you you're using Hunters orange turkey out and you don't. 00:33:48 Speaker 6: Yeah, I was surprising listening to the podcast all the just one story after another of something. 00:33:55 Speaker 1: Yeah and and well, and then the first first story on there yeah, which it was a great well. I don't want to get into it too much, but we're going to get into it. But yeah, the first story was two guys shooting at each other, towards each other, like at the single turkey, which is wild. 00:34:11 Speaker 5: I wonder how far how far apart were they, like how far was perky away from each person? 00:34:16 Speaker 1: So I don't really know, but I know that it was just turkey shotgun range. I would imagine inside of forty yards. I mean, I don't think they were shooting at this bird like fifty sixty yards away. I think he didn't say, but I feel like they were eighty yards apart shooting at a turkey at forty yards. Well, you know something like that that's crazy, but so okay. So when you when these guys scare you and shoot your turkey, a lot of people would just gone home for real. I mean sometimes there's been a lot of times when something negative has happened in the woods that sometimes and I've seen people react this way where it's just like I'm done for today, let's let's go back. We'll try tomorrow. Like if something negative happens, like someone shoots a turkey scares you, not supposed to be there, but not Holly Knuker, No. 00:35:10 Speaker 5: Going home really never crossed my the only reason, like it's like swin through my mind. Second, I was like, okay, maybe they're still hunting, like that was the only words that they still might be hunting. But I was like, no, like they're not gonna They've tried, and am I also knew like if you shoot, that doesn't scare the turkeys away the rest of the time because we've shot. I've shot a bird and then like my sisters shoot a bird a little bit later. I'm like, I know that doesn't mess up the turkeys the whole day. So I'm like, there's still a chance. I know there's plenty of other birds around because I heard them all gobling off the roost. They're going everywhere, going crazy and all that. Wow, So I knew there was plenty of round so I was just gonna wait, let them cool out. Rain came through, Let that go back. Called my dad. Dad's like, Holly, do not leave, Like what are you thinking. You've been waiting for this moment your entire life. 00:35:45 Speaker 1: Do not leave. 00:35:46 Speaker 5: And I'm like, I'm not gonna leave, Like it's really annoying. So yeah, then just walked and walked. Was this last year on opening day? 00:35:54 Speaker 1: So it was twenty twenty five, so I mean like one year ago, okay, yeah, exactly one year now? You had you'd killed other turkeys before? 00:36:02 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've killed several turkeys. 00:36:03 Speaker 5: We go to Tennessee every year and we always turkey hunt there, and I've killed turkey in Arkansas almost every year or two. We normally go to Batesville, but I've gone back and forth through those states. I even go to Idaho my favorite time turkey hunting. 00:36:15 Speaker 1: Really, so you really have. When I said you were a veteran, I was stepping a little bit on a limb because I didn't know exactly, but you're a veteran. 00:36:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, I've been to a lot of places. I love it. 00:36:24 Speaker 1: Okay. 00:36:24 Speaker 5: I think I finally got a green light to Oklahoma this year, so that's exciting. 00:36:28 Speaker 4: Okay, We're gonna try to make it all everywhere. 00:36:30 Speaker 1: So you you go to the other side of the property, you get a bird goblin, Yeah, and you just call it right up. And it's probably about like morning by then. 00:36:39 Speaker 5: Oh, yeah's probably around nine o'clock. I think eight thirty, nine o'clock. Yesh, maybe that's probably like nine to thirty. It has been a little bit, I feel like, and I had to given up hoe. I was like, this land's not even that pretty gowns. I like, I'm just gonna do it, just to do it because I don't want there to be any mystery and anyway, So I go through the gate, make loud noises doing that. Like I said, I dropped the gate. I thought I heard God, Like, no, I'm hearing things. Put the gay back up, just loll going around. Wasn't hiding at all, Like I was just walking and I stand by this tree and I'm getting by this tree and I'm like, okay, because am I I always know if you're gonna go, if you're gonna call be somewhere, if you need to, you just sit down immediately. And in my head I was like, okay, and just sit down to meally because I'm by a tree right now. But O case I called, I did like just a slate called there's a real simple slate called a little yell. He immediately and he is like, it's like a straight drop off. He immediately just cuts it off. He's right close, like, but the drop off is so thick. I knew there was no way he's coming through this because I couldn't seen down drop all. I do the straight drop off and it's thick like all trees right there, so like maybe forty yards not very far. Forty yards fifty yards away is where the opening is, where the trees stopping. There's a little tall grass over there. So I as soon as he golf was like, I'm like whoa, And I'm like I freeze for a second, and I didn't know what to do for the second. I drop my decoys. I don't know why I did that. Drop my decoys, drop the fin I run to this tree and I'm like hunch it down, running because the grass is tall, I can hide under it. I get over there, and he's by the time I got from that tree to that tree forty yards may be max or fifty yards. He gobbled two more times, and I was like. 00:38:03 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, and I was like coming. 00:38:05 Speaker 4: I was like, what do I do? 00:38:06 Speaker 5: I put my I already had my dog from in of my mouth, and I was like, okay, I'm called. He did like if he starts acting weird, but I almost be quiet because I know not to. 00:38:12 Speaker 1: Overcall because she already called once. 00:38:14 Speaker 5: I called once and that's all of one time. And the way he's gobelhen, I'm like, he I can already tell that he's moved because he gobbled over here first and he has already moved. His second or her third gobble was like straight in front of where I'm sitting now, okay, and so it would have been diagonal from our first goal where my first call was. So I'm sitting down and it's like tall grass. It's like a straight drop off on the other side of the tall grass, and he's sitting there. He's just gobbling, and I'm like, what do I do? Like he's got to come up this thing, Like if he comes up, he's for sure and rage like without a doubt. So I'm sitting here, right here is Goblin and I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, in my head, it's like taking forever. It's taking for everyone. I feel like I'm there for like ten minutes and it probably took a two minute for the whole hunt, or five minutes, not long at all. And I'm sitting there taking picts forever, and I'm sending him sending I'm saying he gobbles again, and I'm like, okay, maybe I should call, and I'm like, no, don't call, don't call. And then and then he's drumming. I was like, drumming like shook me. And I'd never heard drum before, so I'm like it like shakes me. And I'm like, oh my gosh, Like he's on top of me, and I'm like trying to look and see where he is, and I'm like okay, but then I heard drumming. You know, I thought it was more this way, but I think it's just the way it was like going. But I was like looking more this way and I'm like, no move, but we wanted to keep looking beside me. And everywhere, and I'm like, I was like, this is the most nervous I've ever been on a turkey because I was by myself. I didn't have anyone telling me what to do. I'm like, I bick, oh, this is about myself. And anyways, I heard the drummond, heard him gobble again. And then finally I see just the tip of his fan, like a very tip, and I see his head, the tip of his head, and I'm like, oh, there he is. 00:39:35 Speaker 4: I see him stepping a little bit closer. 00:39:36 Speaker 1: I see thought he was. 00:39:38 Speaker 5: He was a little bit just like a couple of feet to the left of where he was, So he was right where he should have been. Year him up, just where he's supposed to. 00:39:45 Speaker 4: He did it. 00:39:45 Speaker 5: He did it right as I've wanted it. And anyway, so he's coming up. I see him and he pops his head up just a little bit more while he's still in strut, like sticks his neck out I guess, probably looking for the hen that hadn't made a peep sense and shooting him. And it was like the happiest moment of my life. It was so awesome. 00:40:02 Speaker 1: Okay, and so the the coolest part of this story which I guess we didn't include, is that you took uh the turkey back to your sorority house in like the strip in Faede, Arkansas where the sorority at the University of Arkansas, there's a what are they called they called the. 00:40:24 Speaker 5: It's on Maple Street where it's the sorority house is just Sorority Road. 00:40:28 Speaker 1: Row, Sorority Row. Yeah, like all these sorority houses. And so you take the turkey back. 00:40:33 Speaker 5: I take the turkey. I'll call my sister and I tell her when I kill the turkey. He's like, I get to tried out right now, I might try it on right picture And. 00:40:39 Speaker 6: Quick question, had any other girls from trying it out brought turkeys that day? 00:40:42 Speaker 2: No? 00:40:44 Speaker 5: I the girls even know what a turkey was. I don't even know what the animal was. Do I go to try it? I meet my sister on the lawn and we're sitting there getting ready to the picture, and it's like people walk into class like the middle of the yeah street. Oh yeah, they're shopping because it's right in the middle of like right across where all the classes are tried it out is and they're stopping and they're like looking at what's. 00:41:06 Speaker 1: Your camp turkey fan out and grass they're holding turkey, smiling so proud, and everybody's walking. 00:41:15 Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, this is so like awkwardly everybodys staring at me right now. You are walking by taking pictures. I don't know if you know what yik yak is, but yak yak was going crazy like a turkey girl on tried out lawn right now, somebody figure out what's going on right now? Is that it's like campus has it. It's like where you just go and talk about ringdom stuff. Everything's anonymous. So he's like, put a chat in and like the whole university can see it, but it's all anonymous. 00:41:40 Speaker 1: You don't know who puts the turkey girl. 00:41:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's like has anybody seen the curly camo on tried out lawn right now? Like what's going on? And anyway, So then we've been we were there for like five minutes taking the pictures and our house mom comes out and she's like, what is this, Holly, what have you brought to our lawn? And handed my sister she's a try out too, and she's like John, Mom, Jody, look, she's got a turkey she got turkey, and Hannah's like going crazy, like so pappy for me? And I'm like, yeah, I got turkey. 00:42:06 Speaker 4: Like is it's okay? 00:42:07 Speaker 5: I'll take a couple of pictures. She's like, well, well what is it? Like, why do you have this here? Like what's. 00:42:13 Speaker 1: What's so hard to understand this? 00:42:16 Speaker 5: I'm like, mom's a turkey. 00:42:17 Speaker 4: I just killed this. 00:42:18 Speaker 5: She goes like okay, like why is it here? Like what are you doing with it? And I'm like, I'm just taking pictures with the story. 00:42:24 Speaker 1: We're gonna eat it. Yeah, and she well. 00:42:26 Speaker 5: She did ask little bit. Shees, do you eat these? Like do you plan on like skinning it here? And I'm like no, no, no, I'm not gonna skin it here. I was like taking a pictures but it. She goes, okay, can I touch it? I was like, yeah, you can touch it. 00:42:37 Speaker 4: I don't care. 00:42:37 Speaker 5: So she goes down to touch it. She like just points, like barely taps and she goes, oh, it's soft, and I was like, yeah, it's feathers. She goes she like brushed her fingers. She's like, well, this is weird. Why is it bigger than I thought it would be. 00:42:49 Speaker 1: She's like she had a lot of questions. 00:42:50 Speaker 5: She had so many question She was talking like, well, do you want a picture? She I'm not touching it again, so I hold on this side of her. 00:42:56 Speaker 3: She gets on this side of me with it, and she was like hilarious. 00:43:00 Speaker 5: She thought it was a funny. She was taught me a couple of times. When I woke go to how she was yeah, no turkey and I'm like, no, no, more tickets are coming to the lawn this year. 00:43:05 Speaker 1: You get a reputation quick, Turkey girl on the lawn. 00:43:09 Speaker 5: Turkey girl try. 00:43:10 Speaker 4: It got spread very fast. 00:43:12 Speaker 1: Oh man. Yeah. So yeah, when I heard that, I was like, I was I was proud. I was like, I was like, probably like your dad. I was like, yeah, Josh told me the story last Yeah, whenever he interview, He's like, this girl took the turkey too, like downtown Fanville and took a picture of the lawn. 00:43:29 Speaker 5: I was like, really, that's it was. It was talked about for a while. It was really funny. 00:43:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:43:34 Speaker 3: When Holly was telling me the story, I was just sitting there kind of with my mouth up and like it was funny. 00:43:39 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:43:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, so the theme of I was going to talk about yeah, sometimes these themes kind of build themselves. But like safety and Gary nukelemb Gary believer in nukelem My dad, he had you like the hot tips of safe, I did. They were legit, Hey people, I Gary Nucomb a long time ago told me not to use bright colored mouthcalls. And back in the eighties and nineties people would make red and blue mouthcalls. They still do, they still do. Think about having this if this was bright blue and you heard it in the corner of your mouth walking around the woods. I mean, like just like your turkey when it came up over the hill. First thing you saw, well, you saw at the tip of its fan, but a lot of times the first thing you see is it's heading right, and they're looking bright red or white or blue, and so you know, a turkey hunter is automatically keying in on a bright odd color, you know when a turkey's coming. And so anyway, Gary Neukomb was always like, do not use a blue turkey call. And I actually told Jason Phelps when we were designing this call these calls, I said, don't make them bright because they were making them sharp truths and some of these colors. And I was like I don't even want sharp truths because it's just bright. And like somebody's you know, got a beat on a shotgun thinking a turkey's coming and you're walking and they just see something bright. I mean, i'd say, you're it's not good. But Gary also taught me. He was like, don't wear a white T shirt and have like, you know a little because a couple of times I did when I was a kid, had a white shirt or something underneath camo. It was like, nope, go change your shirt and the other thing. Now, people may have used to wore high water pants a little bit more than they do today. But but like like when you if you'd sit down by a tree and your pants would kind of pull up and you were wearing like lower ankle boots or something, you'd see white socks. And I mean, maybe that's a little paranoid, but Gary was like, nothing white, nothing bright. 00:45:54 Speaker 5: Whenever I was taking a kid turkey in for the first time, and he had like just like his pocket had like something white on Camo's T shirt or Camos shirt, but had like white. You can't wear that. He's like, it's very little, nobod's gonna see. He's like no, you're not wearing any color. Just kim only Kimo, like no color on your shirt and turkey, turkey, see and other people will see it. That's not happening. 00:46:14 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and then uh so the guy got so the Gary Farmer story where they call the turkeys. Now, okay, here's the behind the scenes thing that you wouldn't have known. It would have just made the turkey stories a little too heavy. 00:46:28 Speaker 2: Okay. 00:46:30 Speaker 1: Two episodes ago, we did a we made a series called American Loggers. Okay, one of the best series we've done in probably Fantastics, and on American Loggers, Cody via Lines told us about Frankie Dale. Okay, Frankie Dale was a logger and they had some wild stories about Frankie Dale. Okay, Frankie Dale got killed. Like in the podcast, he tells me that Frankie Dale died. I didn't know that. The frank that is with Gary Farmer and they're working the turkey is Franki Dale. 00:47:05 Speaker 3: No way, no way, yes, frank. 00:47:08 Speaker 2: So wow, so two people on this podcast. 00:47:12 Speaker 1: Yeah so so Gary Farmer. Before he tells the story, I'm sitting there with him, Yeah, I don't know this story. And he goes yeah, I was with Frankie Dale, and he said Frankidale died. He's and he told me the whole story of Frankydale died. And then he tells me the story that that you heard. Wow, And I just didn't. I didn't want to have to explain who Frank, who Frank was and referred but it was just a little too complicated, So I kind of trimed that down. And so you hear him talking about Frank, Well, I was FRANKI Dale. 00:47:46 Speaker 2: Well, that's and that's what the renders. 00:47:48 Speaker 1: For and Frankedale the Yeah. And the more I learned about Frankie Dale, the more I wish I could do like a whole bear grease on this guy, Frankiedale from over in Anton County. He's They all just loved the guy. Yeah, pretty pretty unique guy. But but I love that story. Just the probability if if you were a mathematician and not a geologist, you can tell us the statistical probability of two guys going out in the woods working a turkey shooting at the exact same time. 00:48:23 Speaker 5: I mean, And he said he waited to tell you Frank that he shot too, didn't He he didn't he tell Frank that he shot until later, that's. 00:48:29 Speaker 1: Right, those guys. I noticed that about Gary and that whole bunch of guys. Yeah, if it would have been me, I would have been like, if Josh shot and claimed the turkey, I wouldn't have tried to fight him for the turkey, but I would have been like a shot too. 00:48:46 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:48:47 Speaker 1: But Gary just was like quiet about it, just kind of like and then later was like, I shot at the exact same time as you. That's wild, So. 00:48:57 Speaker 5: That he didn't tell it right then, I would have like, straight up so the same time, crazy. 00:49:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I thought the same thing. Yeah. And then the story that Lake Pickle did down in Mississippi with James Quick. Those are always scary when somebody gets shot, and I'd say that was a pretty severe yeah. Lot. You hear a lot of I mean, it's it's it's not great, but you hear a lot of stories of guys getting shot, and thankfully most of the time they're inconsequential. 00:49:31 Speaker 2: Getting shot turkey hunting. Yes, is that what you mean? 00:49:33 Speaker 1: Okay, but there's there's something new into the equation that hasn't been here before. But but this guy must have been pretty close for him to get two hundred pellets yet going through a jacket. 00:49:46 Speaker 3: He was shooting at him, and and he was close. 00:49:49 Speaker 1: I mean he had to have been like twenty twenty five yards and uh. And then it was interesting. And now this was a long time ago. I think people would maybe well people would have had cell phones to day, right, But like this guy runs up to the guy that's laid on the ground and says, oh, I've killed a man, and then just takes off running. 00:50:09 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:50:10 Speaker 1: The guy's like perfectly alive. 00:50:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:50:12 Speaker 6: Plus it's heard. I mean I felt bad for him at least he went and got that. You know, at first I thought they were saying he ran off, saying he ran off and like just left him. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was just that was I felt. I felt bad for the guy who shot him. 00:50:26 Speaker 1: Oh well, you heard what I said. And I think it's I think it's important for turkey hunters to be paranoid. It's okay to be paranoid, you know, yes, not about getting shot, Like, yeah, go ahead and be paranoid about getting shot. So that you're conservative in the way that you communicate, or you're not conservative, you're you're you're you're conservative in the way you maneuver through the woods and if you know somebody's over there, just like going way around or whatever. But I'm paranoid about shooting somebody. Yeah, I mean when I when I carry a gun, and I've taught my kids this their whole life. When you and I man, I probably scared them to death when they were like nine years old started carrying a gun. I mean, I vividly remember telling your son and my son, I'm gonna give you this gun. And by me doing this, it could change your life, yep, because you now hold in your hand something that could kill a person. 00:51:17 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:51:17 Speaker 1: If you kill somebody, you cannot erase that. 00:51:20 Speaker 3: Yep. 00:51:21 Speaker 1: I mean, like put the fear of God in them. 00:51:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:51:24 Speaker 6: And uh and I also heard that, and I do not like to hold guns. 00:51:28 Speaker 3: I gave my kids that same lecture when they started driving, too, Yeah, because it's the same thing. 00:51:34 Speaker 1: It is. 00:51:41 Speaker 5: My dad was always like, treat every gun like it's loaded. If it's not loaded, it is loaded. Every gun's loaded. Never even like we're walking just in right here, but gun's like laying out here. If it was like pointing introduction, he'd be free, you know. I's gotta be putting away from everyone. 00:51:51 Speaker 4: Up all times. 00:51:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. 00:51:53 Speaker 5: Everything's always loaded, even if it's not loaded, everything's always loaded. 00:51:56 Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep. Well, and then to the story that the guy had buck shot. 00:52:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's crazy that he didn't have it in first too, well it in. 00:52:07 Speaker 1: Second, you know, I think it was so long ago turkey loads probably were. Maybe people just didn't know. I mean, that guy clearly if he was using number seven bird shot in a buck shot, the guy didn't know anything about. 00:52:19 Speaker 4: Turkey and just shooting up movement. 00:52:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he probably probably was. I don't know when it was, probably in the seventies or eighties is when it was, and probably just Brent went out there and didn't know much about it. Gary Newcomb was in a camp one time when a guy got shot. 00:52:37 Speaker 3: We were at that camp. 00:52:38 Speaker 1: We were hunting. 00:52:39 Speaker 3: But we were out. 00:52:40 Speaker 1: Hunting, that's right. I forgot about that. Yeah, we were. 00:52:42 Speaker 3: Actually we were actually lost. 00:52:46 Speaker 1: There's a couple time one time we got lost. 00:52:49 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, is that the same story that River was telling them? 00:52:51 Speaker 1: Why and it always comes up about this time of year. No, we we were twenty years ago and we were hunting and uh, probably being successful out there, and uh we came back to camp and they were like, boy, you guys aren't gonna believe what happened. And you know, somebody had. So there was a doctor with us, doctor John Mesco, who I need to have on this podcast. Some for some reason, it got to get John Mesco thought about it for years, got to pull the trigger. John Mesco was in our camp and dad was there. And guy got shot and knew that doctor Mesco was camping, oh down here, and so he drove and found our camp and he had like seventeen pellets in his back and John told him to take his shirt off, and John pulled out his pocket knife. No way, and starts plucking pellets out of his back. 00:53:50 Speaker 3: I think, think, think, And the guy that shot him had seen the old It was an older man. He had white hair, and he saw a tough the white hair thought it was a turkey heading shot. 00:54:00 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. And then and then most of the pellets, the pellets that were too deep to pluck out with a knife, John just said, don't even worry about him. Just wow, I'm not even sure the guy. We'd have to get the story from John I'm not. I don't even know if the guy went to the doctor. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's crazy. Yeah, that's a good that said. 00:54:23 Speaker 3: Next Welcome to Polk County. 00:54:24 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We gotta have John Mesco on there. Okay, so your story had some safety elements. Gary Farmer's story had safety elements. That getting shot had some safety stuff. The other stories were so cool. I wish we could have had Zoe Kaywood. So the lady that had the world turkey slam. 00:54:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, she seems very interesting. 00:54:50 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, you know that commercial with the most Interesting man in the world. I think she might be the most interesting woman in the world as far as hunting and outdoors is concerned. 00:55:00 Speaker 1: She wore a big turkey spur necklace. 00:55:03 Speaker 3: Beautiful amber beads with huge probably inch and what she said, inch and seven sixteenths Yeah, turkey spurs on him. 00:55:11 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and uh she she lives over here at war Eagle, which is like just east of town. But uh yeah, I thought, yeah that was cool. You Yeah, So she shot at a turkey and there was a bobcat coming in at the turkey, like at the exact moment she shot, and like she probably peppered the bobcat. Yeah, when she killed the turkey. 00:55:35 Speaker 3: I heard that one with a flint lock, with a flintlock shotgun. 00:55:39 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:55:40 Speaker 3: Her husband, her husband is nine, I think he's ninety four. And he spent his he spent years as a custom gun maker. But he builds flintlocks, trade guns. 00:55:57 Speaker 1: And oh he so he's building her gun. 00:56:00 Speaker 3: He built and and there's a video too, we may need to post it at some point. But he has made her some incredibly beautiful ornate rifles that are just at and he hand forges the steading, not the not the flintlock mechanism, but all the all the work on the rest of the gun hand forges. And I mean, just an incredibly gifted man. And she said, she said, when I met Charlie, his name is Charlie Kawood, I put up my cartridge guns. And she has only shot flintlock since then. 00:56:32 Speaker 5: Wow. 00:56:32 Speaker 3: That's and she's killed a turkey World Slam with a with a flint lock. 00:56:38 Speaker 1: Wow. 00:56:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really cool. 00:56:40 Speaker 1: Yeah, that is cool, speaking of killing turkeys with non traditional weapons. Okay, uh lake pickle my, I kind of I mean you could debate, there could be a debate of who would be the mentor and who would be in turkey hunting. It could be a debate of but I'd say Lake is kind of my mentor ish ish. Thanks listening now, Lake, don't let it go to your head, Like, don't let it go to your head. No, Lake. Lake is like a turkey killed, my master turkey hunter. He and Jordan blissed. Lake is so funny when it comes to people bow hunting turkeys or using four tens, or using any weapon that is any sort of limitation. He's just like, no, he just and he learned that from Will Primos. Just like quit the cute stuff. Turkeys are made to be called up and killed. It's like, don't bowhunt them, and and and and. Part of having your own podcast is that you can divulge information about your friends that they tell you to the world. If they tell you stuff, they tell you stuff, they just know that you're probably gonna say it. 00:57:58 Speaker 2: They need to say off the record. 00:58:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, Brent's Lake and brenton everybody just say off the record, I might not say it. Brent Turkey headed with Lake last week and Brent had a four to ten oh and uh, and Lake was like no, he it was a joke. But and then what happened. There was a turkey at like fifty yards that my dear friend Brent couldn't shoot because it's four ten, No. 00:58:25 Speaker 2: What and defoulding everybody's dirty laundry. 00:58:29 Speaker 1: This is not really dirty loundry. Okay, no, no, no, But like his philosophy is just like carry the best gun. I say that in relation to the flintlock, and I kind of believe that. I don't. It's not like, wait, believe what it's not. It's not bad to use a bow or a flint lo Like, that's not what I'm saying when I call it a turkey. I just wanted to come home with me. 00:58:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, other animals, yes, that way about everything. 00:58:57 Speaker 1: No, not at all, Like I want to use a traditional bow for different things, and I'm okay with limiting myself with in in other ways. 00:59:05 Speaker 6: I think it's because turkeys are so scarce, like it's so hard to get one. It's hard to find one. It's hard to Yeah, and you think that's why it is. 00:59:13 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's hard. 00:59:14 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean really like turkeys around here are prize possessions are and Lake is so good He's given us a couple. 00:59:22 Speaker 2: But it's so it felt a little bit like feasts. 00:59:25 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Late didn't give us a turkey misty because Clay had something to do with it. 00:59:29 Speaker 3: Because Clay couldn't get one, you had to get something. 00:59:31 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I think actually did give us some extra turkey city. 00:59:34 Speaker 1: Oh you actually mean gave us turkey meat. 00:59:36 Speaker 2: Turkey meat is what I'm talking about. Yeah, turkey me. 00:59:39 Speaker 1: This is the this is the part I thought she was saying that when I went hunting with Lake that he gave me with one. That's about the way it happens. 00:59:55 Speaker 3: Clay closes his eyes and then Lake just moves the shot and so tells him one to pull the tricker exactly. 01:00:01 Speaker 6: But it's it's so it's I mean, you've it's kind of like you've got just a little bit of turkey meet every year. 01:00:07 Speaker 2: So it is around here like a real special thing when it comes in. 01:00:11 Speaker 1: There's probably more turkeys up here than where you're from. 01:00:15 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's like really hardly where I'm from. 01:00:17 Speaker 2: Really yeah. 01:00:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's all flatlands down there. 01:00:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, row crop stuff. 01:00:22 Speaker 6: The other day, I was driving in the River Valley part of Arkansas, and I was in a neighborhood and there was a man outside in pajama pants, and there was a turkey in the middle of the road. I took a picture and sent it on the family thread. But you were, you were, and I don't know if you saw it because of where you were, and this turkey and this man were having a standoff. The turkey was in the streets, and I mean, turkeys are pretty rare sightings. And this was downtown, you know, like in a in a busy part of the It's a small community, but still a busy I don't know. It was to the man perceived as a violent turkey, and the man had like a broomstick or something, and the turkey would stand up and the man would go out there with his broomstick. 01:01:11 Speaker 1: What city was this in, You can tell me. It was an Alma, It was a It was a tame turkey. 01:01:16 Speaker 6: And the turkey would when the man would hold up the broomstick, the turkey would hunker back down. And I tried to film it, but the man was in his pajamas and wow, and I didn't want to. 01:01:26 Speaker 2: I didn't want to. 01:01:27 Speaker 1: How did I not hear about this? 01:01:29 Speaker 6: Well, you were, you were in the Arctic. I put it on the family thread and I was like, hey, this is a. 01:01:33 Speaker 1: Bad video because you were worried about this guy in his pajama. 01:01:37 Speaker 6: I did video. I put the video. It just wasn't high quality. The guy seemed to have a lot going on and he was very uh. And I came back around a second time to. 01:01:49 Speaker 1: Oh, wow, you did oh I did. 01:01:50 Speaker 2: Yeah. 01:01:51 Speaker 6: And I think that second time the guy was starting to because the first time I was like real sensitive and didn't want to get but I looked at my. 01:01:57 Speaker 1: Video running off a turkey with a broom. 01:01:59 Speaker 2: Well he never ran it off. I was sentenced. 01:02:02 Speaker 1: What color was it like turkey? It was like black, like dark color. Yeah. I just want to make sure it wasn't a white. 01:02:08 Speaker 6: Charcoal yeah yeah, No, I mean it was a It looked like it could look like a wild tur It looked like it could have been a domestic used to. 01:02:16 Speaker 1: Have a bunch of wild turkey. 01:02:17 Speaker 6: We had, we had, we had domesticated wild turkeys here. 01:02:21 Speaker 2: They were violent. 01:02:22 Speaker 6: I mean when I saw what that man was doing and I was like, I know. 01:02:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, so so Holly, I got to tell you this. So we had like seven we bought them. You know from a babies, but they were sold as wild turkeys. They weren't wild, but they were the strain of wild turkeys. And as a yeah, and two of them minted up living and for a long time they were monsters and they would prey on weakness. So if you really if children, children, old women and people that limped or had cast on like there was there was, I mean that's how they lost. So the turkeys would see a car drive up and they would they would strut up to the car and if like a grown man and a kid got out of the car, they'd go straight to that kid. 01:03:13 Speaker 2: They would come across the yard. 01:03:14 Speaker 6: That's how I remember it is they would be they had a little roost and when they had a little cage, and then they would see like, oh this we had we had a neighbor that walked with a limp, and when they would see him get out. 01:03:26 Speaker 2: Of his car, they would just. 01:03:28 Speaker 6: Be lining over to him and just attack them. They were monsters. They were monster. 01:03:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, that's why she went and. 01:03:37 Speaker 4: That old man out there. 01:03:41 Speaker 2: For the guy in his pajamas. 01:03:43 Speaker 1: Oh wow, wow, I got to see this video now, probably put it on Instagram. 01:03:48 Speaker 6: No, it's not a high quality video and we don't know that person, and he was petrified. The thing is is that there was a lot. I was there for an event and I went inside, I came out and he was there. 01:04:00 Speaker 1: Still fighting the turkey. 01:04:01 Speaker 3: Yes, wow, and you could stand off and. 01:04:03 Speaker 6: That's and the turkey would go and drop down. The turkey was like semi intimidated. 01:04:08 Speaker 1: But do you think he needed help? I did, but should we go check on it? 01:04:12 Speaker 6: Tried to actually make contact with him, That's what I'm saying. I felt like a lot was going on and he I could tell you didn't appreciate that. The spectator, Yeah. 01:04:21 Speaker 1: Wow, yeah that is something. Wow. Well uh so let's see. Yeah, z Ok would And then Mike Chamberlaine his story Turkey Dot. He was great to hear him. And then Andy Brown's story. 01:04:37 Speaker 2: Andy Brown, I mean, what a guy. 01:04:40 Speaker 3: Tory Tayler, laureate of Bear Greet. 01:04:42 Speaker 2: I mean really he. 01:04:43 Speaker 6: I actually was listening to it on fast speed and I stopped it and rewound it and listened to it on slow sweet so I could. 01:04:51 Speaker 5: So. 01:04:51 Speaker 1: Andy was the guy that told the story of him and his best buddy going hunting, walking away off the mountain killing the turkey, and he thought his buddy shot way too far and he shot twice and the guy. The punchline of the story was, well I killed two and he said, well watch you shoot? He said, I killed two. Andy Andy has probably had a turkey story on every episode of Turkey Stories, and that story would have been like way down the list. I mean, when I first started going to Andy to get stories, you know, he kind of told me his what in his mind would have been top tier stories. And usually so I've been doing this long enough that you kind of know people that have stories and you'll go to them. And I find that most really even really good turkey hunters that are older, maybe have two or three, like really great stories. Maybe they have a hundred stories of like calling up a turkey and killing it and it's a wonderful thing that happened, you know, but but maybe they just have a handful of stories of or something really unique happened, and you know, you kind of get those stories from him, and you call them back the next year and they're like, man, I mean I killed turkey last year, but I mean it just kind of just kind of came in and killed it and not much to it. Man. You go to Andy Brown, I think probably been going to him now four or five years, and he just keeps giving the stories. 01:06:25 Speaker 3: I've decided that it's less about him having an inordinate number of good stories as just him being a good storyteller. 01:06:32 Speaker 1: And a good laugher and a great Every single he builds the story, every single one just takes you by the hand, right till the moment when he just. 01:06:48 Speaker 5: He barely got like his part of the part that you wanted to say out before you sort of died. 01:06:52 Speaker 2: Laugh. 01:06:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh that's that's and that was a that was a good story. But uh, well we're gonna do one more Turkey Stories episode. Uh and man, we hadn't even talked to Holly about trot lining. You were supposed to go trot lining today. 01:07:13 Speaker 5: Oh yes, well I didn't get to go to Dave I did the past two days. 01:07:16 Speaker 1: Was tru when when Josh invited you, hear you were like, You're. 01:07:20 Speaker 3: Like, I'm on spring break. I'm like, oh, are you at the beach? 01:07:23 Speaker 2: Are you skiing? 01:07:25 Speaker 3: She's like, no, I'm trot lining. 01:07:27 Speaker 4: Yeah. 01:07:27 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:07:27 Speaker 5: He called me and he's like, can you come next? Started I was like I'm coming down South Arkansas, but I'll figured it. I'm going trout line bald, move it up some. So yeah, we went down there and went down South Garton like gird in Arkansas, and okay, we were on the river. I had a family friend with us and then his grandson who I have since taken. I take him turkey hunting now, okay, and we have a lot of interesting stories with him. But he is eating up with all the hunting. And he's probably thirteen, I think. And we were down there trot lining, and we actually on the first day, I only I don't I think I've ever been trot lying. I mean, this is probably one of my first couple of times going. And if I did, I was younger. And so we were reeling the man. We got like three or four like smaller ones, and then we get to one and uh the Greg, the older guy, and he was like, oh, this is a big one. 01:08:13 Speaker 4: This is a big one. 01:08:14 Speaker 5: Like you get on the front of the boat, you get ready. And so I'm like, okay, do you mean a nettar? Do you mean to pull the line? And Harper's like, no, ho, you net it? You needed it because it's gonna be more fun than net. So Harper's up here pulling this line up and he can't even hardly pull the line, and I'm like, oh dear, this is a huge one. And he's like lean over the boat, and I'm like scared that he's mixinga fall in the water, and so I'm like, oh crap, he's mixing to fall over. And so I'm working up. I'm watching Harper instead of the fish, and Greg's like, get the dad down, get the net down, and I'm like what, I didn't know what to do. So I'm like sitting here like trying to get the net under the fish. Well I didn't get deep enough because the fish was so long. 01:08:43 Speaker 4: Oh wow, And so it almost got off. 01:08:44 Speaker 5: The hook and gir goes o leave and I'm like, oh, so we like scoop it as it's like barely even on like barely hung on the hook, like it had a guy in its most of the way off a while, and we get it in the boat and we Harper on our boat like teamwork can get it in the boat, and we're get like, wow, this is awesome. Like it was like a twenty seven or twenty eight pounds was awesome. I was like, Wow, this is. 01:09:01 Speaker 3: So fun fish. 01:09:02 Speaker 1: What what kind of flathead? Flathead? 01:09:05 Speaker 4: A flat cab? It was awesome. 01:09:06 Speaker 5: And we caught nine that run. And then with the next day and we had more. Our boat lowers. Our boat was so full. The next day we had three. He had his other daughter and her three kids and they're all young, like under ten, and they got crazy that they fished fisher getting off that day. 01:09:21 Speaker 1: We didn't get all of. 01:09:22 Speaker 5: Them that day. I got like three or four that day and they went this morning and I was reeling in or I was pulling up the last line and I was like, it starts pulling me and I'm like, oh, we got one, we got one. And it ends up. We see the fin of the fish and it's like a big one and it dies down our log and get this help unhooked under a log. 01:09:39 Speaker 1: That happened this morning this morning. Oh wow, you were pulling a big fish out this morning. 01:09:43 Speaker 5: This morning. 01:09:43 Speaker 4: I was pulling it out and it got away from But because we. 01:09:46 Speaker 1: Were trying to we're trying to get around flathead. 01:09:49 Speaker 4: We were trying to get around. 01:09:50 Speaker 5: The boat switched aroun because we had all the kids in the front and we needed we need Greg in the front and not the kids to get this big one in and it ended up getting ondo the log before you get everybody switched around. 01:09:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a lot of fun, a lot of fun. 01:10:01 Speaker 2: Fish fry fish. 01:10:02 Speaker 4: Yes, we did. 01:10:03 Speaker 5: The past two nights for dinner, we've had the fish. 01:10:07 Speaker 1: Said did they have a camp down there or something? 01:10:09 Speaker 5: They have a nice cabin out there, and they have they do cattle out there. 01:10:12 Speaker 4: They have a whole cattle farm and everything. 01:10:13 Speaker 1: So you're on the Washtar River. 01:10:15 Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if that one was the washing off, but it is right next to. 01:10:17 Speaker 1: The washed all Washtar rivers over there. I've got I got to tell a story about Girdon, Arkansas as we close. As we close. So I in high school had a friend in garden and I went down there a couple of times and hunted with him and fished with him and frog gigged with him. Okay, I met him at Boise State. Just went to Girden a couple of times. My freshman year at the University of Arkansas. Well, that would have been on a sophomore year because I went to Tech first. I was in this huge auditorium in one of one of the big class one I don't know where it was, University of Arkansas. And I'm you know, I'm setting looking this way and I don't even know who's behind me, and I hear a guy talk and right directly behind me, and I just just overhear what he's saying. And he's not talking about anything that I could knew anything about. But I just turned around and looked at him and I said, you're from Gurdon, Arkansas, aren't you? And he went yeah, And he said how do you know that? And I said, I could tell by the way you talk. Wow, like his accent. Really, Yeah, it's hard. It's hard. I don't know I find. I mean it's it's there are different accents everywhere. I mean, you go from. 01:11:37 Speaker 5: Interesting, I would say the guy that I'm talking about, Greg, that lives down there, I would say, he does have an accent compared to most of other people. 01:11:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know what it might have been. I'd just been down there and and heard my buddy, you know, just been in that community and it was different enough from my where I grew up that I just my ear caught it and I didn't even I didn't ask him. It was I just turned around and I said you're from Gardon, Arkansas, aren't you? And he was like, yeah, how can you tell? I can just tell by the way you talk. And that's the last time I heard of that guy. 01:12:13 Speaker 5: Anything. 01:12:14 Speaker 1: I mean, I probably did. I don't remember, that's all I remember. I just called him out and he was like, really surprised. You know, this is before social media and stuff, and you. 01:12:23 Speaker 3: Know, and what's the what's the social media? 01:12:27 Speaker 2: This is before you get. 01:12:28 Speaker 1: This way before you Well, Holly, it's so nice to meet you. Thank you for telling your story. That was awesome. Go go gather up another story and you can come back. Yes, Uh, is there anything else that we needed to talk about. 01:12:48 Speaker 3: I think we covered it all, Holly. 01:12:50 Speaker 1: Anything you need to tell the world any more shout outs? You need to show. 01:12:57 Speaker 5: Me everything. 01:12:58 Speaker 1: Obviously I can tell to tell you got your. 01:13:01 Speaker 5: Shout out in our friend, our family friend Park. He's like telling me all the other hunting minus turkey. 01:13:04 Speaker 1: Okay, shout out, shout out to cousin, Trevor and Dad. 01:13:09 Speaker 5: And that's something though for and Greg. 01:13:13 Speaker 1: Yep, all right, all right, Well it's Turkey week at Meat Eater. Go get you some Phelps game calls Man the dead gum. First Light Turkey line is good. They've got new dark water in the first light. That's what I'm gonna be gonna be wearing. It's good. Man got a new first light Turkey Vest too. But keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live.

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