00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey and you're listening to the Elfant podcast. 00:00:15 Speaker 2: What's going on? Everybody? 00:00:16 Speaker 3: Hey, y'all take tooth around here the podcast? 00:00:20 Speaker 1: First like year first like year, get said, let's go on shirt, Hey, what pants do you have on air? 00:00:27 Speaker 2: Guide? First? 00:00:28 Speaker 1: Like guide? Guide? 00:00:29 Speaker 4: Yeah, guide like they might be guidlike they used to have guide. I don't think they have those anymore. 00:00:36 Speaker 1: Relegant to have guide, you know, you got to be an actual guide. Yeah, but those are guy like, those are nice. 00:00:42 Speaker 2: They are. 00:00:43 Speaker 1: They've been sending me some Trace pants, that's all they think I wear down here? Who tell you trace? They think January? This boy wears Trace. They're gonna give me some of that. 00:00:53 Speaker 2: It's Stephen too hot for that right now. 00:00:55 Speaker 1: It's I could swear you just said, Stephen, what to for that? 00:01:00 Speaker 2: Right now? 00:01:02 Speaker 3: No? 00:01:03 Speaker 2: I might, though I might. So what we're alluding to, will go is that we had a first take. 00:01:10 Speaker 3: Which is funny because we're just talking about ESPN first shake connects. 00:01:14 Speaker 1: That's right, but it's kind of like we we're talking about the Bible this morning and just connecting the dots place. 00:01:19 Speaker 2: Man, I love it. 00:01:21 Speaker 3: So there's we use a particular piece of equipment to record these. 00:01:26 Speaker 2: Podcasts and if the power goes out to the equipment. 00:01:30 Speaker 3: You like that, Uh, that's right. You know you've heard about people getting distributed p B s. Uh. If the power goes out that things tops that you lose the recording. 00:01:45 Speaker 2: We learned that on the way to Illinois one time when Eric just turned its car off off to kill us. But within all that I said that I didn't. 00:02:00 Speaker 3: And I've kind of started losing my dialect a little bit because I try to clean it up so much because I have different people I talk to all the time. 00:02:08 Speaker 2: And we talked about how there's just a lot. 00:02:09 Speaker 3: Of people talking like us, and then we were listing the ones out there that maybe do still talk like us in national media, and there's a guy named Marty Smith. ESPN analyst Marty Smith. I feel like he fishes some does he He's pretty cool? 00:02:24 Speaker 2: I think. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: I think he does NASCAR, so probably a country boy. 00:02:29 Speaker 2: That's why maybe we could get a hold of him. 00:02:30 Speaker 1: He does SEC football too, I think, yeah, he does. 00:02:33 Speaker 3: He. 00:02:33 Speaker 2: I think he was the one that interviewed Mike Leach about the coffee thing. 00:02:37 Speaker 1: Oh really, you know r ip Mike Leach? Yeah, yeah, National Treasure I know Man played against him. I think I did you old, Yeah, I know, Lee. Uh, Michaels are just my nemesis, Michael crab He was Michael Stoles in our camp sometimes not apparently in the summertime. But yeah, today we don't have Michael with this boat. We have Greg Oh, Gregory, Gregory Latham, Uh, Karyn h Eric Gentry Rick with a lot of new ink. 00:03:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right, he's mink Midwest incre. 00:03:20 Speaker 3: So Eric and Greg are joining us today talk about some pretty interesting stuff about some archery and deer tactics stuff. 00:03:25 Speaker 2: Because guys, it's kind of getting that time. 00:03:27 Speaker 3: I know it's not yet, and I was gonna not it's hot, but I mean, it's the next thing to think about. 00:03:33 Speaker 1: I don't know what is. It's not shark fishing was the thing we're thinking about? Shark? You said, yeah, shark. 00:03:41 Speaker 4: We Hey, there's a lot of shark counters right now, even seeing it. 00:03:51 Speaker 1: To the Midwest away there. 00:04:01 Speaker 2: It's gotta be him. There's a bunch of trunk attacks in Florida. 00:04:05 Speaker 1: I heard that. I've been seeing shark in my newsfeed. 00:04:13 Speaker 4: Later. 00:04:16 Speaker 2: Oh, it's funny. I don't know where we're at right now. 00:04:20 Speaker 1: We're talking about duel, intel, duel and stuff. 00:04:23 Speaker 3: One of the things that you're probably gonna do first, if you do anything at all on the Scout in realm, it's going to be set up trail cameras. We just had a truck came a video go out on the YouTube channel. If you hadn't seen it. 00:04:34 Speaker 2: Go check it out. It's our biggest bucks ever on trail camera. 00:04:36 Speaker 3: How we found them where they were on xpn's all that stuff just directly to those deers, so you can kill them because we don't want to go check that out on the YouTube channel. If you haven't, I really appreciate it. Also, if you're kind of new to us, you might give us a follow up on social. 00:04:54 Speaker 2: The Element Wild at the Element Wild, which is not what we're known. 00:04:58 Speaker 1: If you don't the whole thing in, you won't find us. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: You might not Dollars seems to think we're under a shadow band. 00:05:03 Speaker 1: There's they ain't no thinking about. It is happening for sure. 00:05:08 Speaker 3: And uh so we'd appreciate some support over there if you if you don't mind. Uh Common interaction is always nice too, so we can kind of have an idea about what everybody's thinking about and doing right now. And today we're gonna talk a little bit about some deer hunting. You know, the summertime is great for a lot of things, being outside. 00:05:28 Speaker 2: Is not one of them. Uh and at least where we live down. 00:05:33 Speaker 3: And what's weird, we went from just typhoon season to just straight up sweat season, Like in one day. 00:05:41 Speaker 2: It went from rainy forest hot forest. 00:05:45 Speaker 3: And uh so, yeah, we're already in the nineties about here every day now where we live. 00:05:50 Speaker 1: He was like ninety five yesterday. 00:05:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, so we're we're welling our way to those triple digits. 00:05:55 Speaker 2: Won't be long. 00:05:56 Speaker 3: But so because it's kind of in season, I kind of say that jokingly, we'll spend plenty of time outside doing stuff. 00:06:03 Speaker 2: But it is a good time for you to kind of reflect on some things. 00:06:07 Speaker 3: Think about maybe in the past where you've done wrong, what you did that was right, especially in the deer wood's been in all things in life, you need to be doing some self reflection. That's right, man, the self awareness. You know you always talk about how problem solving is the number one skill just in life or something you say something to that effect, Right, it should be Yeah, at least self awareness falls kind of into that same type of thing where it's like, you know, are you familiar with the term NPC tyler. 00:06:41 Speaker 1: And that is an acronym or it's an acronym. Yeah, man, sounds familiar. 00:06:46 Speaker 2: Do you know what it means? What does it mean? 00:06:47 Speaker 4: Non player character character? 00:06:51 Speaker 3: I always thought non non primary character, but those probably kind of do you play your primary which one? 00:06:56 Speaker 2: Do you know it as? 00:06:57 Speaker 5: As a non player. 00:07:00 Speaker 2: Non player character? 00:07:01 Speaker 3: So it's a gaming term that's since become part of, uh, like kind of the Internet culture where there's like the pseudo theory that there are NPC's running around there were people who aren't actually even real. 00:07:15 Speaker 2: They're just like, yeah, well da, but she saw one. But the idea. 00:07:23 Speaker 3: Is that like there's people who have the brain rot and are just kind of going through the motions and all that kind of stuff, And you don't want to be an NPC of the Deer Hunt Woods. 00:07:31 Speaker 2: You want to be brack. Huh. 00:07:34 Speaker 1: So these people are these people are actually degraded or they actually that people think the NPCs are actually people that were. 00:07:42 Speaker 3: Just it's it's kind of like it's like a big kind of joke kind of thing, but it's like you can imagine potentially. I don't want to be too rude, but there are people in your life that you have met that they just don't really seem like they have a lot to their existence. They just kind of do stuff maybe without a lot of direction. They're pushed and pulled by the winds, which is not what you want to be. 00:08:05 Speaker 2: You want to be there, I say in control. 00:08:08 Speaker 3: It's not really the truth, but it's it's kind of like a a way to explain it, right, You want to be making proct that's a good that's a good one. 00:08:18 Speaker 5: I kind of feel like they're a complete product of their environment, like NPCC. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so. 00:08:24 Speaker 1: Whatever's going wrong around them. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: That's what michaels. 00:08:30 Speaker 1: When it comes back, he's gonna being wiley. 00:08:32 Speaker 3: But the concept is that you want to be doing some self reflection, self evaluation of things that you've done in the past. Therefore you can make potentially different decisions or improve or sharpen your skills for future situations. And this is a very important thing as a hunter, particularly a white tail hunter, that I think we should all involve ourselves in. And this all kind of came about because Eric made a point earlier about the time he should have been more patient, which for some reason, I don't know if he wants to talk about that or not. But I think the concept here is that we've all done things in the Deer Woods that. 00:09:12 Speaker 2: We wish we could take back. We watched some stuff earlier that felt that way. 00:09:18 Speaker 3: We uh definitely have revisited some videos of the elements in the past that I can think about times. 00:09:26 Speaker 2: So I really wish I could have one or two of them. 00:09:28 Speaker 3: Back, right, And it's not always just the shot, but there's there's much deeper thing to that, right, Tyler, tell me about the film watching process as a collegiate athlete. 00:09:44 Speaker 1: It's typically led by somebody else who's not NPC, usually unless that's a non player coach. And I would say it's very frank and honest for the most part, and it doesn't care a lot about feelings. 00:10:08 Speaker 2: All right. 00:10:08 Speaker 3: Being Shapiro over here, Well, you say something like facts don't care about your feelings. 00:10:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, facts don't care about your feeling. 00:10:16 Speaker 2: Well, never mind, Uh, don't get calm. 00:10:19 Speaker 1: No, we don't go there. I know exactly what you're saying. 00:10:22 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:10:22 Speaker 1: So I would say, I'm trying to think if there's anything else regarding it. I mean, it's and it's revisited multiple times a lot of times. It's not just like we're gonna watch it once and say something. You're gonna rewind it, and you're gonna rewind it, and you're gonna rewind it, and then finally we'll move on after you've been thoroughly sometimes embarrassed. 00:10:41 Speaker 3: And then there's I'm gonna ask you a couple of questions about that. There's probably I would say, two different types of film. Uh do you would you think that's the truth? 00:10:51 Speaker 1: Like corrective and uh proactive premration prepared. 00:10:56 Speaker 3: So a lot of times you're watching what you did on a play previously, or you're watching what a team that's coming up is going or has done in the past that you're going to play right, and are those usually approach the same way? 00:11:08 Speaker 2: Or what's the can you what's the major point of that? 00:11:14 Speaker 1: I would say, Uh, there's a lot less questioning going on when you're looking to prepare like that that the person leading that film session would question you less probably and direct more. And then if you were doing being corrected, they would say what did you do wrong here? Or what are we thinking here? Are those kind of things as opposed to like, now they're doing this and they're trying to attack here. So you know, maybe there's a question in there, but they're going to do a lot more directing within that probably. 00:11:51 Speaker 3: So last question, what is the primary result that you're trying to achieve by watching film? 00:11:59 Speaker 1: Which type of film? 00:12:01 Speaker 3: Uh? 00:12:02 Speaker 2: That's any of It's a good question, yeah, so any of it. 00:12:05 Speaker 1: It's it's to be better at what you're doing. 00:12:07 Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, and so then let's break it down to each top. 00:12:11 Speaker 3: But I think the be better at what you're doing is is kind of the the main idea here. But to look at the old stuff, like your previous place, what are you doing? 00:12:22 Speaker 1: You're trying to fix what you have tendencies to do wrong and be better at it in the future. Probably, That's that's kind of the main the main thing. I think our buddy J. P. 00:12:38 Speaker 2: Frantz, who you're gonna see on video, he's a picture for the Houston Astros. Uh. 00:12:43 Speaker 3: JP well in I think against the Rangers, right, he was tipping a little. 00:12:49 Speaker 2: Bit in the in the it was the divisional Divisional Series. 00:12:56 Speaker 1: Was it? 00:12:57 Speaker 4: I guess this would have been yeah, yeah. 00:13:00 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, which was the last one. 00:13:03 Speaker 4: I don't remember where when they played the act. 00:13:05 Speaker 2: The Rangers and Astros play to go to the World Series. 00:13:08 Speaker 4: I think the NLS or alcs A Conference series, championship series. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: Whatever league championship series. 00:13:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, big, big, big game, right, And and uh, JP very uh frank about things, which is funny because his last name is France, so UH had to kind of explain that joke to make it funny. JP said that after looking at some film he was tipping. He kind of had a bad outing, uh for himself in that game, and he was tipping and they he wouldn't have known that except for someone was observing him or watching film, which means like he was still throwing really good pitches, but he was doing something a little bit different with his body or whatever to kind of show that what was coming to the batter, right, And that's kind of one of those things you're talking about now. In the end verse of that would be you reviewing film of say like the Texas Longhorns when you play them and seeing that, oh, when the running backs gonna go out to the flat, he actually kind of his first step is left instead of or whatever. 00:14:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly tipping. 00:14:15 Speaker 1: Things instead of you saying here's how I fix my tipping. You're saying, this is guys tipping. I'm gonna jump on that as a defensive player. It's really fun to do that. That's that's one of the better things. Kind of really like, that's a lot of the like week of the you know, week of the game, especially mid midweek and stuff. That's a lot of what you're studying. 00:14:36 Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, and so uh to kind of bring this into the hunting space a little bit here, I would say that none of us in this room are really tacticians of archery too much. It's not really a thing where we don't we're not like dope charting and we're not building our own arrows. 00:14:51 Speaker 2: I've dabbled into that stuff a little bit, I might. 00:14:54 Speaker 3: I might say that I am a little more into that than some of y'all, but I by no means would call self that. 00:15:01 Speaker 2: You know, it's not really a thing. 00:15:04 Speaker 3: We're not shooting competitions for fun any of that kind of stuff. But it is important to make sure that you're consistent in archery. So there's there's a realm of this that could be that could work, but where we really try to apply A lot of this type of thing is in the field. When we're out on hunts. We're trying to evaluate, we're trying to make sure that we're making the right moves. One of the things you've heard Tyler and I talk about a ton shooting holes in the boat as much as we can, where we are taking a scenario, trying to absolutely obliterate it until we say there's no way it can't work. Pretty much, and there's still some way it can't work because we don't kill stuff every time, But it does make us a lot more efficient, right sure. But one of the things that we wanted to talk about today was some of the mistakes that we've made, some of the stuff that went bad. I think that all of us can probably think about our own better than we can the other people. 00:15:59 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:15:59 Speaker 3: Greg's pretty good pointing out when I mess up, so I mess up too. But I think that's one of the things we're gonna talk about, and we're gonna talk about. I have three words written down, patience, persistence in pursuit. 00:16:14 Speaker 1: So pizza piece, what's the triple pizza? It's uh, pineapple, peppers and pepperoni. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's been a while since I've had what kind of peppers it's usually it's usually hot peppers. So it would be. 00:16:35 Speaker 2: That's why we don't do that, That's what it used to be. 00:16:37 Speaker 1: I don't know if it might be. 00:16:39 Speaker 4: I don't know if it was Peppersini's. 00:16:41 Speaker 2: Oh those are those are tasty? I love them? 00:16:43 Speaker 1: Is that related to Houdini? 00:16:45 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:16:46 Speaker 1: You seeing them? 00:16:46 Speaker 2: Now? 00:16:46 Speaker 1: You don't peppercini? 00:16:48 Speaker 2: So man derailment. 00:16:55 Speaker 3: I wrote through three words down because I feel like they are like kind of right neutral, left or like conservative, uh moderate aggressive, where patience would be a very conservative thing. It'd be good to be able to show patients. You could spin it to where patients is an aggressive thing, but that's kind of like. 00:17:15 Speaker 2: A dumb way to look at it. Think, then you have persistence, which is. 00:17:21 Speaker 3: Keep on, keeping on and and kind of staying with the same groove, but but going with your notion, and then pursuit would be like I'm gonna be aggressive, I'm gonna go out and make this thing happen, and uh, you know, to kind of throw a caution in the wind. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:17:38 Speaker 2: And there's a gradient to that, right, So I wanted to think about times that we hunted. 00:17:42 Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Uh, times that we've hunted where any of that would have would apply. And for y'all to think about that a little bit. Uh, I'm gonna go first and kind of cover this. There's time where I think, honestly, we might be better at pointing this out for each other. 00:18:04 Speaker 2: But one of my struggles is being patient enough. 00:18:11 Speaker 3: I feel like in my daily walk I am decently patient, but especially in the deer hunting woods, I sometimes get overconfident, which then leads to impatience because I think I can make something happen when I can't. And Tyler, you you've hind up with me the longest. I think I have progressed in that a little bit. I'm sure that whenever you remember us running around the plane, some of the first times you're like, just slow down, man, what am I doing? 00:18:39 Speaker 1: I remember Colorado, Dude, we walked a billion miles. Dude. I'm not saying that I knew what I was doing at all, you know, but like you, definitely you hunt hard well. 00:18:51 Speaker 3: Sometimes I have the mentality that if nothing's happening, I'm just gonna make something happen. And sometimes nothing things just happening, and you could either rest when nothing's happening, or you could get real tired when nothing's happening. 00:19:04 Speaker 2: We used to get real tired, for sure. Yeah, we used to do that, for sure. 00:19:08 Speaker 3: So I think about sometimes when I'm stalking deer out on the plane. So let's take this footage. Never made the light of day because the footage just didn't reflect what the encounter was. Tyler and I hunted together this year. He'd already killed, so he was going to go film me. And we hacked way back into this place that was kind of open country, and we spotted two bucks betted in the backside of this little berm. 00:19:42 Speaker 2: It was like a like a you might call it a shoal. 00:19:45 Speaker 3: It's like where an old creep bed had pushed up a mound of dirt and they were betted in the shade on the back side of that. We made a big, old long loop around to kind of get on in on this deer and stalked in very slowly. What I felt like was being patient, And I got to like eleven yards in this year, and yeah, you remember, he was a nice buck. He wasn't a giant. I actually ended up killing a bigger deer than this year, so I'm thankful as to how it played out. But for about fifteen minutes, I come to full draw and let down like seven times within there because I'd. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: See that deer. He'd get kind of nervous. 00:20:24 Speaker 3: We had a really strong headwind, so he wasn't smelling me at all, but deer just kind of are that way right because everything's trying to eat him. And so long story short, Tyler's behind me a little ways. He can't really film the deer where he's at. We're trying to make this thing happen as opposed to make sure we get really good footage of it. But I keep drawing my bow, anticipating this year to stand up so I can shoot him, and I think on the seventh time that I do that. 00:20:54 Speaker 2: It might not have been that much, but it was at least four. 00:20:59 Speaker 1: Then my camera was on fire. Yeah it was. 00:21:03 Speaker 2: Clip. It was a long time? Was it that long? Was it thirty minutes? 00:21:07 Speaker 1: I was thinking it was in the twenties. I know. 00:21:08 Speaker 2: I try to not exaggerate on that because it feels so. 00:21:11 Speaker 1: Long when you're in the moment, there's like nothing there. But if we'd I didn't get any footage of it. 00:21:17 Speaker 3: He ran straight out like beyond me, so like you can't even see, there's no angle for you. 00:21:22 Speaker 1: It was almost epic. 00:21:23 Speaker 3: But what happens is finally on my on my let down, I've been very conscious of this, but on my let down, my arrow flops a little bit, and that's like the worst time. If it had happened on the drawback, he stands up, I shoot him, But on the let down, like there's a hole, like you got to go back through the cycle again, you know, and it's just over. 00:21:42 Speaker 2: And he didn't. 00:21:44 Speaker 3: He didn't stop for a second. He just took off and ran miles away. And in that moment, you know, you think, in twenty thirty minute encounter, you're being patient. But in the grand scheme of things that we had all the time in the world, because of the way the wind was and where that deer was going to go, there were other deer on the hillside that were not concerned with us. Everything around us was calm, And if I just would have sat down there in the grass, there's a chance that deer gets up and goes to feeding and I can just get a shot. But in the moment, I think I have to force it and be ready for whatever opportunity is presented. I'm not saying it's the wrong move, but I can look back and see that even though I thought I was being very patient, I probably could have still brought it back a little bit. 00:22:34 Speaker 1: And been successful. 00:22:35 Speaker 2: I mean I might have even been too close to the deer. You know, there's a. 00:22:39 Speaker 3: Eleven yards actually is incorrect. I was actually a lot closer than that. I was like six or seven yards, because I can remember the angle, and he's like from here to the underneath the TV from me. 00:22:51 Speaker 2: You know, it was kind of ridiculous. 00:22:54 Speaker 3: So that's an example for me on what maybe it would look like to be more patient. 00:23:00 Speaker 1: And should you tell a story about where you were you were patient and it paid off at some point. 00:23:07 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can think of one. 00:23:09 Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe when we come back to you, maybe. 00:23:12 Speaker 2: I don't know, I'm just I'm just thought to change up at you. 00:23:14 Speaker 1: But it might be good to say this is a bad example, and this is a good example. 00:23:18 Speaker 2: You know, it's a it's a good idea. 00:23:21 Speaker 1: But I can I mean, I can think of a time this year when I could have been more patient. I feel like I tell us. And actually I would say, out of the three things that we have here, patience might be my strong suit. 00:23:35 Speaker 2: I believe that for sure. You're also very persistent, I am. 00:23:40 Speaker 1: You'll keep telling the thing you need to. 00:23:41 Speaker 2: Do until it works. 00:23:42 Speaker 1: At times, yep. 00:23:43 Speaker 2: I think about patients in pursuit. 00:23:46 Speaker 1: Kind of almost are indirect work, indirectly a little bit or inversely a little bit. 00:23:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think about twenty twenty two, you hunted for nine days straight, like super sick. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: Twenty one is it tween one? 00:24:02 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:24:03 Speaker 1: Twenty two is buck trucky Okay. 00:24:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, so twenty one you definitely had the persistence thing going on. 00:24:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, on that thing, Yeah for sure, I mean that was yeah, that was I mean, that was a persistence and there's, you know, definitely a success story behind that. But like this this year, man, and it's so hard because you're making you're making decisions that are split second, you know what I mean. So like you can you can always look back for months and months and months and you can be sitting here in June and be like, oh, I should have done that differently, you know, and everybody on YouTube will tell you that too. But you definitely in the moment, just make the best decision that you can, and you hope that it's the right decision. I think as you get experience, you get more decisions that are that work out in your way. But for me, something we've been talking about today is this Arkansas situation that we had, and I just feel like, I don't know for sure what would have happened if I was more patient, But there's a chance, there's a chance that this buck gives me a better shot. But I I mean, it was running. The window was running out quick, and that's the reason I made decisions to do what I did. But like, essentially what happened is we were hunting, and we're hunting a like a kind of like a lake bottle that was super dry, and there was willows everywhere. We were in the biggest willow in the area. And it's it's still tiny. I mean, like you you're probably talking like fourteen foot tall or something at the top, maybe eighteen foot tall at the top, so very short and whispy, and we're probably I mean, we're honestly, our platforms are nine or ten foot up in this thing. So we're in the top of this thing and it's me and Michael. It gets later in the morning and this buck in as we're talking about something turkeys or something. Rand I've told the story before, so I won't go too far into it. But the buck comes in surprises us at like thirty five, walking in right where I wanted him to come in, and kind of turns and he's just in his own world doing this kind of rot cruising things, sniffing around and everything. Super cold morning, and he goes broadside at like thirty five. Well, since he kind of came in on us, and I say this in the I say this in the video, but I say, you're sitting here watching a video, a hunting video, so I had, I mean, our goal here is to video what we do, right, So I turn around to try to turn the go pro on because we're videoing hunting so that you can watch it, you know, essentially, when I turn around, I get the go pro on, and I kind of turned back at him and look, and he's walking, and so I start to pull my hand away and then he just like turns and looks up and I'm sure the tree was wiggling in all kinds of stuff. Who knows, but I felt like he caught me up at the time, moving and that's why I looked up. We have a stare down for a minute minute half and he finally he's going to go back from where he comes from. When he turns to do that, that's my five yard gap there. So I'm like, I'm gonna I'm gonna draw as soon as he turns, is what I'm thinking, and goes walking away. He goes to walking away, I draw, and it's so weird because it's it's there's no wind. He should have seen me and locked up immediately. But I don't know if the sun was behind us too much or something, but it took him a couple of steps to kind of register what was going on. And in that moment he turns or he stops and turns and looks at me, and he's behind a bunch of stuff, and so he has to kind of like move his head around until I get a shot. And I try to shoot, you know, once he finally gives me a clear shot at his vitals, and I just wonder if if he wouldn't have because he was, you know, he kind of turned a little bit towards me when he was trying to see what we were, and I just wonder if he wouldn't have come back out a little bit from that brush and seen tried to see a better look at me, or turned back and give me a better shot through the stuff. As he was leaving, I could have grun stopped him or someone who knows, you know. But it's one of those moments that I was just it was on my mind today about man. I wonder if I'd have waited, what would have happened there? And he might have run out of my life. And I've been real mad at myself probably, but you know, uh, it's it's you make the best decisions you can. And that was that was a moment that I feel like patients might have played just from this year. 00:28:35 Speaker 3: You know, one of the difficult things about patients is you never the only time you know you should have used it is whenever it doesn't work out. 00:28:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. 00:28:43 Speaker 3: For sure, like in that scenario, you could have used patience and you still want to kill a deer, but well, how do you know? 00:28:50 Speaker 1: And patients worked really good for me and nameless, Yeah, you know what I mean. You remember that deer came in and at thirty three. I think he was. He went into this little scrape thing, all that nasty stuff for sure. Yeah you say that in the video, you know, And I hardly considered it, just because I knew the path that he was on and I felt like he was going to continue on that path, which he might not have, but he did and gave me a twenty three. So that was the time. Patients work for me pretty well. 00:29:18 Speaker 3: So, Greg, you're a pretty patient guy when it comes to hunting, it seems. 00:29:22 Speaker 5: I feel like patience is one of my stronger things when it comes to hunting and h But I think growing up hunting up private land kind of taught me that because like that, I don't hunt like the biggest property. I mean, it's it's good size, you know, for one or two guys to hunt. But I think that kind of taught me patience and uh. 00:29:44 Speaker 2: Because you don't want to bump them off the place, yea, you don't. 00:29:46 Speaker 5: Want to blow it out. I mean you you want to go in when the time's right and you know, kill one. And so I think I've I've learned pretty good patients when it comes to hunting. But this past year I had an instance where I think patience could have killed me a deer. But also it kind of brings up another subject of staying warm in the woods because I had this. 00:30:09 Speaker 2: You and I struggled with that one time this year. Yeah, we did. 00:30:12 Speaker 5: This was a very similar situation, but I had one of my you know, target bucks. He was falling a dough and from it looks on trail camera, I think he's blind, like he has hard time seeing or something, and he was falling his dough and he wouldn't quite come to the feeder and he was just like staying like thirty yards off of her and just staying down wind. And for whatever reason, to get like more downwind, he decides to come off the trail and get to about seven yards from me, and I'm in a tripod like maybe eight foot up and we are close, but I'm sitting there and I guarantee you, if i'd just waited, the wind was perfect. 00:31:01 Speaker 4: He wasn't gonna smell me. 00:31:03 Speaker 5: But for whatever reason, I was starting to get the shake because I was getting cold, and I was like, and I was convinced that he was blind in his right eye that was facing me, and so I was like, well, I'm just gonna try to turn slowly, draw and shoot. And as soon as I started drawing back, he heard the my cam squeak or something and he did. 00:31:28 Speaker 2: Not like it, and he took off running. 00:31:31 Speaker 5: So if I just waited in that situation, he's eventually gonna, you know, go to where that dough was, and I would have had a perfect shot. But it's just one of those things. 00:31:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's one of the deals. We encountered a lot. Eric relationship like. 00:31:53 Speaker 4: This past year had a few incidents. The first one was telling you, guys earlier, I don't know so much being impatient because it was like ninth sitting out on the ground. Nothing was really coming by, and I wanted a glass because I can't really see much, and so I'd say, if you're starting to feel impatient, then to at least check your surroundings. Because I stood up. I stood up because I got impatient, wasn't seeing anything. Glassed a little bit and turned around and I was sitting in a drainage coming off some agfields down into bedding. And when I stood up, I looked behind me and there was a pretty dang good buck getting ready to cross the fence and would have came in bow range for me, so that one hurt, but a few other things. I've done a lot of self filming, and if you're someone who's self films, hopefully my mistakes can help you. But I've always being a newer hunter, I've always like drilled it into my head for whatever reason, that when I'm self filming to like have the camera set up and then when the deer gets to your tree, like you can shoot instead of being patient and like letting the buck like walk through instead, because when he gets to the base of the tree and you start trying to draw your bow back right there, he's gonna catch you. And we had a video this year, I think his title d Ruts on Fire where I had a buck come to the base of my tree and I try to get everything set up before he got to me instead of just being patient, and that if I would have just let that buck walk through and like to where he's now facing away and then I can draw back and even get the camera on him then, And that's just where patience. 00:33:44 Speaker 3: That's just a camera thing, you know, Like that's anybody a lot of times, especially if you've got a deer comes straight on, like just being still and letting that play out is a good move, and it's hard to do, you know, especially. 00:33:58 Speaker 4: When they're big. 00:33:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Greg and I did that in Oklahoma for buck truck. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: That deer was coming right at us and we just couldn't move. We couldn't sure enough. Hey, there you go, patience. 00:34:10 Speaker 3: You asked me if I had a time when patients worked out the Oklahoma buck truck. 00:34:13 Speaker 2: Dear, for sure. We saw him raking a tree at like fifty and then he just walked straight to the base of our tiny willow tree. 00:34:21 Speaker 3: I would, I would. I would challenge you as to who was in the tiny year willow. 00:34:26 Speaker 1: Wasn't super tiny, but we were eyeing it. Man, we were tired, we were high open. 00:34:31 Speaker 3: Ours was more of a bush willow, and Greg and I were just on these little branches off of it, you know. 00:34:36 Speaker 2: And that deer especially got close to Greg. 00:34:39 Speaker 3: I mean what you were probably like, I mean theregu line like twelve feet from this deer. 00:34:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I feel like I could have just grabbed his antlers brought him up in the tree with Yeah. 00:34:50 Speaker 3: It was ridiculous, and so like that deer felt our presence, but he just kind of made a little semicircle out and just gave me his great shot. 00:34:58 Speaker 1: That's weird. 00:34:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just gonna go around this and just smoked him. Yeah, so the patients paid off for me in that in that time? Are you Are you done on your patience? Okay? 00:35:28 Speaker 3: So persistence, I think might be the hardest one to perceive if we're gonna go along along with this alliteration that we are going on here. 00:35:39 Speaker 2: Because sometimes it's hard two. 00:35:43 Speaker 3: Uh there, there's a kind of a very pretty Bible verse that says, be still and know that I am God. And it's actually a very difficult thing for us to do as humans is to just relax and just the situation play out. And that almost is a little bit like what you were talking about. But I think as persistence as not being just a single situation, but as a continual, perpetual if we're gonna keep on going with our thing where it's like, you know, I remember the great line from well now I'm forgetting Denzel Washington the football movie. 00:36:23 Speaker 2: What movie? 00:36:23 Speaker 3: I remember the Titans? He says, you know, same full place over and over again. Cerally, they're going to work, you know whatever it is, right, Like that's the persistence idea. 00:36:31 Speaker 2: It's like, hey, this is a really good pinch point. 00:36:34 Speaker 3: I'm gonna sit here for five days and a big buck, giant buck's gonna come by, and I don't have to overthink the situation. 00:36:40 Speaker 2: Right for me, I definitely have a hard time with this. 00:36:46 Speaker 3: I'm a little better at it because sometimes trail camera data and other things like that can really help with this situation. You know, if you're going in somewhere, say it's October thirty first, that elusive all Hallow's eve buck right that everybody likes to think about, and it's a real thing. You know, it's a great day to kill a deer and you've got truck and or pictures of him daylighting on the twenty sixth and the twenty ninth, Like you feel pretty good about the deer showing up, right, and so it's okay. It's easy to sit there for a few days now if you don't see any red action at all. But you're just thinking like, oh man, this is a good looking spot. You know, it's a time where that can kind of mess you up and you might need to be trying to come up with a more creative way to find a deer. I think I was really guilty a lot earlier on in my life of letting the persistence type thing getting the way of me making good decisions in good moves. 00:37:50 Speaker 2: I used to sit. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: The same stand location on Texas public Land, which you talk about boring, right, but for like ten or twelve sits before i'd move. You know, you're talking about half a deer season. You know, the deer already doing different stuff. I didn't really know that that much of them, but you know they've already changed what they're doing. 00:38:11 Speaker 2: So it's it's a thing where like. 00:38:16 Speaker 3: Doing the thing over and over that works is good until you end up in that section of probability that it didn't work out well for you. Right, It's like, uh, what's that gambling game with the red and black? 00:38:31 Speaker 1: That's what he was playing. 00:38:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's like, if you just say I just always do red, that works until like for seven straight it's black. 00:38:39 Speaker 2: For some reason, it's because that's how it works. 00:38:40 Speaker 3: That's how the world works, right, Like Tyler hasn't drawn a tag for Elk in thirteen years or whatever, right, So like the statistics show that you should, but it still may not happen. So there's a time whenever being persistent can can cause you issues. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: For me, I think that. 00:39:02 Speaker 3: Persistence comes in success a lot of times because I. 00:39:07 Speaker 2: Don't really like to quit very much. I don't like to just turn it in. 00:39:11 Speaker 3: So sometimes you'll find me figuring out a way to call my wife and ask for another day or something when I'm on a hunter trip. But I think that not so much like the persistence of a spot, but the persistence of still going and getting after it with deer. 00:39:25 Speaker 2: Y'all know this. 00:39:26 Speaker 3: I killed deer on like day five and day six a lot and a lot of times. It's because of the help of all my friends that are there hunting with me, y'all. But I think part of that is the persistence thing. I think about the buck Truck South Dakota hunt for me, I mean, Greg was with me that whole time. 00:39:43 Speaker 2: We went everywhere and did all. 00:39:44 Speaker 3: Kinds of stuff trying to find a deer to shoot, and sooner or later, because we just kept on after it, we found some deer to hunt, and I ended up killing a buck on like what was practically the last morning to hunt. 00:40:01 Speaker 2: It was the best morning of that trip, too, which helps right. 00:40:04 Speaker 3: And that's another thing about being persistent is that sooner or later, like a weather change or or some like force outside of your own doing can also help you out a whole lot. 00:40:16 Speaker 2: So let's go this way this time, mix it up. 00:40:20 Speaker 4: I feel like this is not my strong is it not? No? Because I'm like John B says this with fishing, that like if you're not catching something on one spot, just move, And that's kind of how I feel with deer hunting, and so that's how it affects me, is like if I don't see deer, then I'm moving, and then the next spot don't see deer, and it's just it doesn't help. 00:40:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, that works until like you've used seven spots and you're. 00:40:47 Speaker 4: Like, yeah, no, I don't know if it's like I've had anything that's where it's paid off for other than this past year in Oklahoma. I mean, we weren't seeing deer so kept going back to the same spot. It didn't pay off, but I mean I was close to a buck. 00:41:05 Speaker 2: That was a good encounter. 00:41:06 Speaker 3: Though. You're talking about whenever you and I were there, Yeah, the pop up camper video whatever that's called. 00:41:11 Speaker 4: M You mean, we just weren't seeing deer and I didn't know where to go. So my thought was, like, man, this spot. Eventually a deer has to come by in this spot. 00:41:21 Speaker 3: And drug camera DAYA helped with that, and it helps you know that we had some drug camer data that there's a deer in there. 00:41:26 Speaker 4: Pretty often I'll say this too. It's kind of deer hunting related. But just off the top of my head of where it has paid off for me is I started filming my own deer hunt, started hunting in twenty sixteen, started filming them twenty sixteen, and like for the next four years, that's just like what I did. That was just what I wanted to do, and I stayed persistent with that, and here I am today. So there you are, You're right there, You're there, I'm right here. 00:41:59 Speaker 1: What is there anyway? Way? And it just air with a t. It's all a simulation, I feel. I feel like that persistence. Uh, it's kind of it's kind of hard to think of a time when persistence failed you. It's a lot easier to think of a time when persistence was successful because you remember those right. When persistence fails you, you don't end up seeing an element video on the channel. You know what I mean is what it ends up happening. It's like, oh, we hunted that spot for six days, nothing happened, and we couldn't really make a video out of it because nobody's gonna want to watch two d's on the first day, you know, So just thinking about why this one's this one is can be kind of hard to Yeah. 00:42:42 Speaker 2: Sure, I think a lot of times. 00:42:46 Speaker 3: Which we're moving towards more aggressive tactics here, but like the less aggressive a tactic is, the harder it is to be like, oh, that messed me up, because it's kind of like what you're talking about their like inverse properties. It's like, well, if you don't do it, it's not that it messed you up. It's just that it hasn't happened yet. 00:43:03 Speaker 2: You know. That's that's that's you. You know, the hunts that are almost mess ups are you know, quote unquote sweet season long quests. 00:43:11 Speaker 3: You know where it's like, oh, I was persistent for twenty seven days this season and didn't see a thing, and then finally on day twenty eight, you know. 00:43:18 Speaker 1: There you can right well, and that I mean to me and deer hunting, that's it's kind of it's important, right, Eric was talking about just a second ago. But like, you know, if you sit in a spot, especially where you've had true Cameron data of daylight bucks at some point over the years, like, you're more than likely going to if you sit there long enough, you're going to see it here. I mean, so your chances may not get this technically higher every day, but the chances that you're sitting there when a deer comes through, if you sit there for twenty eight days straight in November, it's probably pretty. 00:43:51 Speaker 3: High, you know. That's uh, And I want to be very careful with this because a lot of people that really like it. 00:43:56 Speaker 2: But the beast tactic thing which was made. 00:44:01 Speaker 3: Popular by uh what is his name, Paul Dan mfut that's right, Yeah, Uh, he's killed some deer I think. And uh, but like that's the thing is that you find that spot that's a buck bed that they might only use every once in a while, and you just sit there and sooner later they're gonna come by. 00:44:20 Speaker 2: And it's like maybe, but what. 00:44:24 Speaker 3: If it's just that you sat there long enough a deer did come by. 00:44:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, the one that uses that bad or yeah exactly, No, for sure, I think, and I think it's a great way to deer hunt, honestly, but you're probably not gonna go on a five day trip and yeah or whatever and make you I would say, your chances are's more slim within a five day window than they are in a ten day window or a month of November window. 00:44:48 Speaker 3: You know, it's a great way to deer hunt if you have a good amount of hunting days in your season and you're not looking to kill more than one year, yeah, you know, or two years or something like that. 00:44:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, great, Yeah. 00:45:00 Speaker 5: I think I think sometimes you can use persistence in the wrong way. Like one of my one year, it's actually the one year in the last probably fifteen years that I did not kill a deer was probably the year I hunted the most, and I felt like I was like, all right, I'm just gonna keep hunting, keep hunting, keep hunting, and what it is, I was just blowing out the entire problem. But I think if you're persistent in a system of which you know is going, yeah, but a system of a down system of I'm sorry de Realment Podcast. 00:45:46 Speaker 1: Sixteen. 00:45:47 Speaker 5: But if you like believe in a process and you're persistent with picking good spots. You're worrying about your access and you're you know, just going to good spots where you're hunting, and if you're persistent about that, you'll kill it. 00:46:03 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it makes sense. 00:46:06 Speaker 3: So so as your examples that year that you didn't kill it here because you hunted so much. 00:46:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, I feel like I feel like persistence kind of got in the way that year. But like if this past season, there's a video on our YouTube of the buck I killed on my property, and I felt like I was pretty persistent and that uh that hunt because like I was seeing deer but just never had a shooter and boat range. 00:46:33 Speaker 1: Tyler, there's some there's some kind of well let me think about this one. Oh, So the failure in my persistence that I that I could think of as an example is actually a hunt that you were on, uh, and we were You had a really good elk tag and we went on this hunt together and we had a ten day window. That was the hunt. It was a ten day hunt, and I was beat both of us. Were you fell asleep on your trekking polls one time? And but you're just I mean, yeah, I know you're but you're just more persistent than I am. I feel like when it comes to like just beast mode, you know what I mean, And. 00:47:25 Speaker 3: It's like a it's a what you call it, a a foolish optimism really is more what whatever. 00:47:32 Speaker 1: It takes, though, man, you know what I mean, Like I mean, for me, I just and probably it probably is a mental thing, right, but because I mean, I can, I can be really persistent, I can work really hard. But they're just times when I'm like, you just have that optimism or whatever that drives you that I don't have or whatever, which if we're using you know, the P word a lot, pessimism, you know, can be the anti persistence. So twenty nineteen, we go on to Selk Hunt, and there were like a couple of times where I was like, I was so tired, and I was just like, I ain't no elk around, I don't know what I'm doing. I can't really help much. I'm just here videoing and I just don't want to go. And I feel like that if my attitude would have been different and my persistence would have been different, then we might have had we might have had better opportunities. 00:48:33 Speaker 3: So I don't know, see, this is your story. So I don't want to interfere too much. But I think persistence hurt us on that because we spent like five days in a place where there was no ELK because we thought that it would just happen and we just being persistent. 00:48:50 Speaker 1: But there was ELK there at one point. 00:48:52 Speaker 2: There was at one point. But yeah, this is the thing. 00:48:56 Speaker 3: It is the game, dude, and that's why persistence might be the hardest one to pend point on. 00:49:00 Speaker 6: Yeah, use that pitch points earlier. But I think, I mean, I really do, like it really is like all this stuff, uh, you eventually just have gut feeling almost you know what I mean. I mean you can I think it's smart to try to think about what you did and like verbalize it to yourself so that you can put into words what actually works for you. 00:49:28 Speaker 1: And it's not just gut feeling all the time. But I mean, experience creates that gut feeling, and that gut feeling if you go with it once you're experienced, tends to be more right than wrong probably, But until that point, you're just if your gut feeling, then you may not, you know. So it's but I can think of times like persistence worked for me with the you know, the big monster white tail you talked about it earlier that I shot in twenty twenty one, the mule deer. It was actually a really persistent deal where Eric and I we're getting our tails kicked at twelve thousand feet and I don't know, it was like the ninth day that time too or something. We spiked out, like two miles from our main camp, spiked out, slept in the quietest environment I've ever slept in, and got up early that next morning, got out there sea bucks going over the crest like thirteen thousand, and I'm like, I can tell Eric's just beat and I'm like, I'm just gonna go. I just need to see where they go because if they come back into this unit on the other side, then I need to know. And I go like halfway up this hill. I'm probably like twelve thousand, five hundred feet, look back and Eric's like having a conniption fit down there, you know, and I'm like, there's a there. I can tell the deer is down there. So I run back down the hill, you know, and you know, end up having the persistence to shoot a nice buck or whatever. Nothing giant, but anyway that those are times like that it worked. I can think of that a time as well, where there's been a couple of times where like a lot of times where persistence pays off. But I shot a white tail in Colorado one time that I felt like I needed quite a bit of I'm trying to think of videos that aren't aren't popular. Somebody's one going to watch a video of ours right on YouTube if they wanted to go watch a video they may not have seen because those are those are very popular. Probably a lot of people. 00:51:29 Speaker 2: Saying, I think you're Iowa Buck. 00:51:32 Speaker 3: Here's here's the difference in I thought about that being bad and good is just the one encounter. Okay, Yeah, if you don't have the encounter, then all of a sudden, your persistence didn't pay off. 00:51:43 Speaker 1: It was bad well the first trip right eight days and then I went back so broke, and I was I was running out of persistence. I think I was like texting you and calling you and stuff did on that deer too. I was just one. 00:51:57 Speaker 3: I was in Kansas seeing bucks run around, yeah, and were like kind of freaking out, like I need to be. 00:52:02 Speaker 2: There because of Bill Winky, I having problems. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: There was no deer movement after November seventh, ye know, but that that is one of those cases where I shot that deer after hunting eleven days and putting a lot of work in on that. So that's that. That that buck, the Colorado buck. Those are two times when like I had to really be very persistent. Not the blonde bleach bond guy. But yeah, there's there's Those are some videos that if you wanted to go watch twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, I think is when I shot Colorado Buck. So that's cool, all. 00:52:58 Speaker 2: Right, I want you lead us off with the pursuit thing. Pursuit. 00:53:02 Speaker 1: Let it that write down for that if you like. 00:53:05 Speaker 3: And the example here is like being super aggressive and saying I'm about to go make the thing happen. I'm going to take this situation into my grasp and I'm going to control it. 00:53:19 Speaker 1: M m man. I don't know if I was that aggressive with that buck, but I did, like pursuit was the thing I would say. Because I didn't actually have that like I'm going to make this happen. I was like, it's probably not gonna happen, but I'm going to go try it for sure, and I'm and I'm moving quickly to make it happen. 00:53:40 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, I think that that year changed our mantra. If I can say that, is that it is? 00:53:47 Speaker 4: That? 00:53:47 Speaker 2: Can I say that as a Christian's Montreal? 00:53:49 Speaker 1: I don't know where mantra comes from, so it sounds kind of Eastern, Kay, does kind of sound like a hey Christian or something, and that, Uh. 00:53:58 Speaker 3: The our mentality on the ground game at that point in time was like, well, it's probably not gonna work, so let's try it anyways what we had to lose, And now I kind of I feel pretty good, yeah, you know, and so like this year, you and I both killed deer on the ground and I think that it kind of changed our perspective. 00:54:20 Speaker 1: On the pursuits came away from h To let you get back on what you're saying, I think that maybe your shot was the aggressive thing. Oh yeah, yeah, I mean that that buck talked about it a couple of times now, Eric, And I mean I had seen this buck coming into a draw from some ag early in the morning and he was in a just kind of a little rut circle with these three dos, and uh, I was able to to see him bed and Eric and I, well, we were probably half mile from him, I think, and once he betted, we had to kind of crest a hill that I was a little bit worried he's gonna see us all sasquatching on, so we had to we kind of worked around this terrain. But I knew that in this situation. A lot of times these deer they bed close to their dos and a lot of times kind of down wind. But every once in a while they'll get up and check and make sure the doors are still there and everything's still going, and then they'll get sit down or whatever. They're pretty anxious when they're in the rut. Like if they're not in the rut and they bed, sometimes they might bet for an hour or more, you know, But in the rut, a lot of times they're getting up every half hour or something to check on dose. Well, so we get down there pretty quick. I take a bunch of my clothes off and stuff because it's hot. It was cold and now I'm getting hot. Take all this stuff off, throw it in the bottom of the straw, and then we pursue up to him and basically walk to one hundred yards and then had to crawl another fifty and he's facing away. I couldn't tell the time because he's facing directly away. But we had, uh, we had a no, he was facing towards us, and we had we had we had the wind perfect in our face, so it makes sense that he was facing towards us, but I didn't know for sure. So we end up crawling up there and I'm just like barely looking through this grass, like I'm having to work really hard to find his antlers because I don't want to raise up any higher than I you know, need to, because golly, if this deer sees me, then I'm messing up. You know, eleven days of hunting in the rut that I've been sick and stuff. 00:56:36 Speaker 2: So I get there, boyd, and that a thing. 00:56:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, once you're once you start piling them days up, it's like I kind of have to be successful otherwise this is a big waste of time. 00:56:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, tough, And so I'm really playing conservative in that in that moment for sure. But yeah, long story short, we sit there for forty five minutes. Once we got as far as I thought we could get fifty yards, and I range this is the aggressive part of it. Probably I range a plant that was I thought was on the same distance from me as he was, but it was probably thirty yards or more to his right. I range it and I'm like, that's fifty and that's I mean, he is fifty. I keep looking back and forth like he's that got to be but that's got to be fifty. So I put my pens at forty at fifty and I'll wait. And I was laying. I'm right handed, so I was laying on my left hip, and my my thoughts were my for preparation was I'm gon lay on my left hip when I look up if I if I need to make the shot, I'm just gonna swing my feet around and be sitting on my butt and pull back and shoot, shooting off sitting off my butt right. So I had my late on my left hip the whole time. Eric, here's something. I look up. There's looking straight away, but he's broadside. It was perfect. I was like, all right, here we go, and so Eric starts turning the camera on. I clicked my you know, uh, shoot my feet around to the side, sit up, draw back, and then just locks in on him and h the arrow. Perfect as good as shot as I've ever made, but definitely a time when the pursuit went well. I think the the pursuit also went well on that Neil guy. It was a short pursuit, right, but like, uh, it's like a ten yard movement or whatever, five yard movement. I mean, it's nothing at all. But we we moved just enough to get around a bush and then there he was, and it was like we had to shut it down. So we shut it down. And then patience came into play there too, right, just letting him get get where he needed without quite getting to our wind. So it's funny how all these things can work together in one quick situation sometimes too, you know. 00:58:40 Speaker 2: Along with preparation. 00:58:41 Speaker 3: We haven't mentioned that pee very much, but that was a big thing on that dear. You've talked many times how you shot more of that of the year than you ever shot practicing practice. 00:58:52 Speaker 1: Dude, I'm trying to think of when pursuit messed me up. I may have. You may have to come back to me on that one, Okay, can Greg. Yeah, let's see here. 00:59:04 Speaker 4: I've got. 00:59:07 Speaker 5: Like I've never been a like aggressive making moves on deer kind of person because I grew up hunting, you know, private land pretty much. But uh, as I've kind of started hunting like public land, like I try to be aggressive in my spot, Like I like being aggressive on my spot and location and doing everything I can to get into that spot and then be you know, really patient when I'm there. So like there's a there's a video coming out this fall that I was the pursuit is I mean, I went three miles back to what I thought was the most bad to the bone spot on the property. 00:59:52 Speaker 2: And that's that's uh, you know, as. 00:59:56 Speaker 1: We'll say, we'll see it. 01:00:02 Speaker 3: Big. 01:00:03 Speaker 5: I tried to shoot a big old dough didn't about that. But yeah, that's a time when pursuit and being aggressive like really worked out for me. 01:00:16 Speaker 4: Eric Man, I don't know if I have a ton of experience to have a good example. I have one for you, but I have one, But it's more of a where an opportunity of where I was aggressive and I was surprised that I had an opportunity. It was with Greg, and that was with Greg and Nebraska, and it's our last morning to get something done before we had to move on and we're sitting out a water tank. Buck comes in. Probably got impatient at this time and drew on this buck and he caught me, and uh he actually shot at him and missed, and he was out of there. But then we saw these other bucks across the across the pasture or whatever you wanna call it, and up on some hills that we ran after that failed. So we're just saying, like, oh man, it's over because it's like nine ten am. So or walking back to grab her stuff to go to the truck, and like as we're walking back, we jumped two bucks that were like just bedded in some tall grass. And they weren't huge bucks, but I mean I definitely would have shot both of them. And they run to like one hundred. We just dropped down and they turned and look back, and I think the sun was still kind of coming up, or it was just at the perfect height where they like were looking into the sun. I don't think they could see us just down in the grass, and so they stood there for a bit and then they just kind of carried on over the hill. And then just my instinct was like, this is our last morning. I'm just gonna sprint after these these bucks, and I sprinted. I got to the hill there on and as soon as I crossed the hill, like I was surprised to see that one of the bucks was already bedded down on like thirty yards on the other side of this hill. And this is where in patients it messed up again, because if I just would have like stopped there and been patient, just sat and waited for them to stand up, I probably would have got a shot. But it was the last morning, like I said, and like, for whatever reason, I thought I could just walk up on a buck just laying down looking towards my way, and he caught me. So that's like the only example. 01:02:27 Speaker 2: A tiger right there. 01:02:28 Speaker 3: Man. Yeah, I think it's very Uh, I don't know, it's kind of novel to think about the concept that all three of these pretty much are things that you use within a single hunt. 01:02:41 Speaker 2: Often that's what you're talking about there. 01:02:43 Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it was very important for you to be very aggressive, and then all of a sudden you got too aggressive, when like it's just like you need to put the brakes on and put the patients on right the end. And if you've done that sooner I can think of a time where all this guy comes together. 01:02:58 Speaker 2: But one of the ones where for me being a great This is Can I say that this is where I feel good in the pursuit side of stuff? 01:03:09 Speaker 3: This is this is kind of my thing, And a lot of times I'll mess it up a whole bunch and then it'll finally come together because I just keep trying. 01:03:18 Speaker 2: In fact, the story infis and the tell is that we Michael and I. He's not here so I can make him look bad. So I'm just kidding. 01:03:28 Speaker 3: Yeah's attention right now he's commenting on Instagram. 01:03:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, talking about that Turkey talk. 01:03:35 Speaker 3: But we were hunting South Dakota and we had hung in a tree, saw a giant buck. I tried to grunt at him and couldn't get him to come to us. Go up to the top of the mountain, do some glass and and locate. 01:03:53 Speaker 2: The deer again. 01:03:54 Speaker 3: See him going the other way behind two doors. He's like two hundre yards behind these dos, so I know that he's just he's he's going that way. Here's no way for us to set up on this deer. We have to go and get him. So Michael and I run down the hill, get down in this waterway, and then make a one point one mile loop around this year to try to get in front of him, and we get there at the exact same time this dear does. We cress the edge and sure a deer blow out, but they don't know what we are because there's a billion deer that live in here, so they just think that some deer surprised them or something. 01:04:29 Speaker 2: They run out to one hundred yards. 01:04:31 Speaker 3: I snort wheeze at this deer, trying to get him to challenge, because it's like the twenty ninth or thirtieth of October. It's pretty late, probably twenty ninth, and uh, I'm thinking, Okay, he might be feeling it, and he. 01:04:43 Speaker 2: Was a little bit, but I couldn't never get him to commit, and you know, for good reason. 01:04:48 Speaker 3: He's hearing these snort wheezes coming from the brush, you know, like if it was a challenging buck, he would just step out there and that would have been. 01:04:55 Speaker 2: Cool to see. But he then doz on a round. 01:05:01 Speaker 3: We make about a quarter mile back around trying to relocate him, can't find him, watch other deer, and I'm still glassing around trying to find this deer, and finally I see him working a scrape line on further around. He made a huge loop. So then we just like ran across the bottom almost in plain side of this deer, but just like I don't know, it was one of those weird moments where I felt as if we were accepted within the environment of the deer. It's like they were chill about us being around. 01:05:35 Speaker 2: You know, if I would have pushed within one hundred and fifty yards of a deer, they would have been weirded out about it. 01:05:40 Speaker 3: But there was for sure times when deer we were in I side a deer and they were calm about. 01:05:44 Speaker 2: Us being around. 01:05:45 Speaker 3: It's like they had gotten used to us being down there and not killing anything yet. But I finally get this deer to pay attention to some grunts and I see him start to angle towards us, and we make another twenty or thirty yards to kind of cut him off. 01:06:04 Speaker 2: And. 01:06:07 Speaker 3: He does come into a shooting window for me. I miss him on the first shot. He stops because he doesn't know what's going on. He's kind of fired up, he's feeling the rud a little bit because I've been messing with him all afternoon, and gives me another shot and I put that shot in a spot that somewhat made it count. You know, if you've seen the video, you know it's kind of a longer thing beyond that. But if you haven't, go watch it because it's it's a story that I really am happy to tell because I love how the whole thing played, and it's one of the prettiest deer I've ever shot. But I absolutely was all gas, no breaks on that deal, just chasing deer around with a bow in my hand and just openly yelling at them with deer calls. 01:06:48 Speaker 2: You know, I love it. 01:06:54 Speaker 1: You know, for me, I can think of a couple of times when I when I messed up the pursuit, and one was in Colorado on that deer hunt we were I'm getting I'm hanging my saddle platform in the afternoon and I see, uh, something looking like a buck betted like one hundred yards away on the edge of this creek. I put my glasses up and it's a mondo with a couple of I think he had broken G threes, but he had G four's, so he had good twos and fours. But I think as G threes were broken or something like that. Anyway, big buck betted on the opposite side, kind of facing us so I kind of slowly back down. We decided, I think we decided to get the rest of our set up, and then Eric. I don't remember that all the details, but essentially Eric gets in the stand, puts the video camera up and point at him, and then I'm gonna walk over. I give him a whole slew of like here's my hand signals, and I'm gonna walk over, and Eric's gonna rattle at this deer He's gonna come across. I'm gonna be right beside the river or the creek on the side that's closest to Eric, and he's gonna call that buck across the creek to me, and I'm gonna shoot it as it's coming to him as a gamble because I was gonna be on the ground. Stuff. Well, we you know, one thing you gotta do is make sure like when you're giving hand signals most of the time, like you need your partner needs to be binos up, So don't give hand signals unless he's binoing you or whatever. It's one thing that we kind of learned here and the other thing the pursuit didn't work for me because Eric isn't able to glass while he's rattling, So long story short, the deer starts moving around when he rattles, but he's in such thick stuff around the creek that he loses him. And we don't really fully know what happened to that deer, but he never came across me. And in fact, we gave it several we gave it a while and several rattling sequences. And because we weren't weren't you know, we're not communicating by phone or anything, so I'm not sure what's happening. So I stayed down there for quite a while until they got like about in their sunset, and I hear a deer crossing this creek at one point after a rattling sequence, and I thought, I can't believe it's fixing happened And it was like a dink. It came out, you know, at thirty five yards or whatever, and I was like, oh my goodness, I was so I was shaking, dude. But uh, anyway, I guess that's the time that the pursuit failed. Another time I can think of is when I went into a new property in Nebraska on public one time and went way in, decided to go way in instead of hunting some of the stuff on the way in that I thought might be good looking at on the map and this and that, I went way into a spot that I'd picked and ended up getting winded on one of the spots on the way in by a deer moving down one of the spots on the way in that I would have hunted if i'd have stopped and not gone so far in, and so but it but it paid off. And this is kind of the whole moral of what we're doing here, is that we're learning from these mistakes right in pursuit, in patience, and in persistence. Like those mistakes we've made, you need to look at them and then you need to learn from them and do them better the next time, hopefully. And that's what I did the next year. 01:10:33 Speaker 2: I was able to. 01:10:33 Speaker 1: Learn from that mistake and kill a deer not going quite so far in, you know. So that's the kind of thing that you hope you can do. And that's why you always want to ask questions like why and and you know, I mean why is a huge one. 01:10:50 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's a better question to ask, because deer hunter, for sure, why. 01:10:52 Speaker 2: Did that happen? 01:10:53 Speaker 1: Yeah? 01:10:53 Speaker 2: For sure, it's good or bad. Yep, you learn so much from that. 01:10:57 Speaker 4: You know, you're talking about preparation. Earlier I heard I think it was Connor McGregor say this once. It was on luck, which we don't really believe in the. 01:11:07 Speaker 1: League of Gold. 01:11:10 Speaker 4: You know, if you think it's luck, it's more probably a blessing than it is luck. Connor McGregor says, because someone forget what the question was, but he said, luck is when opportunity, or luck is when persistence meets opportunity. I've always liked that. 01:11:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you've said that before one of your coaches. 01:11:29 Speaker 1: You said, right, yeah, I think it's a pretty it's a pretty widespread saying for sure, especially her sport until then though, but preparation, some lot of people say preparation meets opportunity to the uh, the Great Doctor Evil of Austin Powers had a couple of different preparations. Did you know that, gd Great Doctor Evil? 01:11:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, uh, Great Doctor Evil. 01:11:55 Speaker 3: He had like six that didn't work out, and finally on I think seventh, which was preparation h Yeah, it was. 01:12:03 Speaker 5: It was successful that yeah. 01:12:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. The rocket I think was called preparation. H. Pretty funny all them p's man, lots of. 01:12:14 Speaker 1: Peas are are good. 01:12:17 Speaker 2: That's it. 01:12:18 Speaker 3: Well, I think I hope this is helpful for y'all and maybe it's thought stimulating and uh an opportunity for you to go through these three, these three peas as well as all the other piece we went through as well. UH, patients, persistence and pursuit. Think about what you're good at and knows what you need to get better at when times it's worked, times that it hasn't, and maybe see what the blend is and what works best for. 01:12:41 Speaker 2: You, because. 01:12:43 Speaker 3: I personally I like the aggressive stuff. I feel like it works out well for me. Oftentimes Tyler is good at being aggressive too, But we are different types of deer hunters. 01:12:55 Speaker 2: You're you. 01:12:55 Speaker 3: I think you're a lot better with like the persistence type of stuff. 01:13:01 Speaker 1: It's it's yeah, persistence is is weird because there's there's kind of almost like two types of persistence. You know. There's like the persistence that I was talking about that you're better at. I feel like that's like just whatever it takes, like you going two miles in to kill a deer this year, like multiple times, but you're you're. 01:13:22 Speaker 3: Good at the whole I know, this is a good spot, and I'm. 01:13:26 Speaker 2: Not gonna get discouraged because i didn't kill a deer here. 01:13:29 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yep. 01:13:31 Speaker 2: And uh, I think that's very valuable. 01:13:33 Speaker 3: And so the in that it's it's good to kind of think about what your strong suit is, we're you need to get better at, and then which one of these you kind of lean towards and don't shy away from that. You know, one of the things that's gonna make you a good deer hunter is understanding like kind of where you sit and like what your natural implications are, your natural abilities are in honing those things. 01:13:57 Speaker 2: And and then in the. 01:13:59 Speaker 3: End verses that is uh, you know, working hard to overcome the things that you're not good at. You know, if you can't see good, get some glasses, if you can't hear good, get a walker's game, or if you can't smell good, take a shower and then you'll smell good. 01:14:10 Speaker 2: You know, Like all these things are important things to work on. 01:14:17 Speaker 3: So remember to self evaluate and remember this is your element.

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