00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey and you're listening to the Element podcast. 00:00:14 Speaker 2: What is happening in all my woods? 00:00:16 Speaker 1: People? 00:00:17 Speaker 2: That you man, Casey Smith. 00:00:19 Speaker 1: We're here in central Arkansas, right, Yeah, Tyler Jones is here. 00:00:24 Speaker 2: He's worried and give too much away. Sorry, we've been hunting private land for turkeys. So it no matter where we're at, y'all can't get there. 00:00:32 Speaker 1: And our buddy Scott Harness, uh from that church here in Sherwood, that's rights? 00:00:39 Speaker 2: Is that with a you what they said it that way? 00:00:42 Speaker 1: Sure you'll say Sherwood, you said, y'all Shearwood, Surewood. 00:00:45 Speaker 2: Sherwood has a EO. It's like shirt, not like she though she would. 00:00:53 Speaker 1: That's not what it is, right, So but anyways, Scott, welcome to podcast. 00:00:59 Speaker 2: Man, it's good to be exciting. Yeah, it's it's cool. Was this your first appearance? I think it is. You did a I think you did a. 00:01:06 Speaker 3: Big Buck breakdown. No, no, they don't call him those anyone thing that. 00:01:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark the idea and did a different thing, what's it called ret Fresh radio. 00:01:16 Speaker 3: He had Retfresh before we had Big Buck breakdown. I think yeah, our big book breakdowns were actually about big Bucks. His was just a report, right, so it was different, but we now we just killed the killers, you know, that's. 00:01:27 Speaker 2: What they It's like those two. 00:01:34 Speaker 3: Podcasts come together and the powers combined, and it's a it's a you know, it's a. 00:01:38 Speaker 2: We do ret Fresh you mean, yeah, Yeah. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: It's like it's like take big bug breakdown and Retfresh put together and it's unstoppable. 00:01:44 Speaker 2: That's it, Scott. What you do right now in your life? What is it? 00:01:48 Speaker 4: Uh? 00:01:48 Speaker 5: A pastor church here in central Arkansas. Went, It's a church that we started about twenty years ago now, and yeah, so I have that a giant family. And I love to love the outdoors. I love what I get to do for the Lord, but I also love what the Lord has given to me. So going outside and join the outdoors and hunting and fishing and all that God offers is is a blast I am. 00:02:13 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. 00:02:14 Speaker 5: I spent almost six years in the military flue helicopters for the army for a while, and so professional photographer. Yeah, was a professional potographer a little bit. Now there's times there's just too many things, isn't it. Yeah that seems like you're making it up. 00:02:28 Speaker 2: Yeah it does. You know, it's good. It makes you well right, I'm not sure you are. I have to fact check it. 00:02:34 Speaker 3: There's a there's a hilarious story that you told about your helicopter in Days, well related to your helicopter and Days on Clay's podcast one time. You know which one I'm talking about. Yeah, you got a tact by an alligator. Oh yeah, yeah, listen to that. Yeah, that's a good one. It's on Clay's podcasts thinks called duck Hunting Stories or something like that is Yeah, it's one of those episodes. Yeah. 00:02:54 Speaker 1: And you also told us a really funny story about your salesmanship with in photography at times. 00:03:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, he dealt with some royalty that's right, that's right. 00:03:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, we had some saudy people that we were doing some some work for and and uh I. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: Just wound up basking them one quote. 00:03:10 Speaker 5: You know, they're real prideful that this this this guy was real prideful, and he already picked out the biggest print we offered, you know, which was we never sold one. 00:03:19 Speaker 2: We just had him on display, you know. 00:03:21 Speaker 5: And and uh, anyways, his daughters getting married, and so we were doing work for them, and and eventually we were just like he said, this is what I want. 00:03:29 Speaker 2: You know, he was kind of sitting back. Everybody's kind of surrounding me. Yeah, he was kind of royalty, felt like, you know. And so when he said yeah, I want that, I said, I just looked at it. I said, well, how many? 00:03:40 Speaker 5: And he's like ten, you know, and everybody there was like, so that's probably the first and last print. It was a forty by sixty first and last of those prints we ever sold. There, you go, you know, but it was the most we guy what you want to out to do? And you got to get what they were old people. They had oil, so it was like, wasn't a problem that's struggling. But you grew up here in Arkansas. 00:04:04 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not gonna I try to not diss states, right except for Ohio they're terrible. But I'm just kidding there too. But Arkansas really seems more like the sportsman's paradise than say, like what it stands upon you know what I'm saying, You know what I mean, Yeah, it's a natural state. So it is the natural state kind of close. I guess they don't like their non natives here. It's all about the natural stuff. But you know, you have like an extensive like wealth and knowledge and experience that it's like one of those things. 00:04:42 Speaker 2: You're like a unsuspecting. 00:04:45 Speaker 1: Just stone cold killer in the outdoors, right, And that's it's it's it's so interesting to me because you you really are like one of. 00:04:51 Speaker 2: The most interesting people I know. 00:04:53 Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to blow you full of smoke because you already know that too, you know you I. 00:05:02 Speaker 2: I don't remember more than you. 00:05:04 Speaker 1: And you grew up running the swamps yep out here just in stomping around barefooted, I'm assuming geting knitten by snakes and turtles and all that stuff. Right, Yeah, what was your favorite thing to do as a young man outside? 00:05:22 Speaker 2: You know? 00:05:23 Speaker 5: So my dad he worked for the lecture department, but he commercial fished on the side. So we we we spent a lot of time in the outdoors. I mean, we would go on trips constantly, and it was always local. 00:05:36 Speaker 2: You know. 00:05:36 Speaker 5: It wasn't like a lot of fanfair, but we would we would hunt and fish locally. I love fishing, probably more when I was a kid and when I was younger than anything. 00:05:46 Speaker 2: I'd rather fish than do anything with that because that was the same way. I still kind of. 00:05:50 Speaker 1: Really really like fishing a whole lot hunt more. But when you're a kid, there's something about fishing. I think, so I think you know what I think it is. 00:05:57 Speaker 5: I think that it's the the the amount of as a kid, you can get to the fish, and you can fish probably easier than you can hunt. There's more things that are involved with hunting that maybe at your youth, at a youthful stage, you can't quite overcome, but you could overcome it to go fishing, you know, and there's fish almost everywhere, and you can fish you around. 00:06:15 Speaker 2: It's cheap, yeah, and it's cheap, but man, that was that was exciting to me. 00:06:19 Speaker 5: I loved I loved fishing, especially some you know, back lakes and stuff where you wasn't sure what you were going to get. I can remember the night before we were going to go somewhere and I would be just it's like Christmas, I could I was anticipating what could we. 00:06:32 Speaker 2: Possibly catch them? What am I going to catch? Me? 00:06:33 Speaker 5: I always dream about something. I loved catching bass, you know. Back then I was love to pitch for bass. Now my dad would crappy fish and I'd bass fish, you know, So I learned how to pitch, you know when pitching wasn't cool. I only did it because we're only six feet off the bank and he's using a cane pole. 00:06:48 Speaker 2: So you know, I learned how to. 00:06:50 Speaker 3: So you so you taught it was self taught? Oh yeah, yeah, a hundle percent. So it wasn't from ring Now in their Life magazine or something like that. 00:06:57 Speaker 2: Doodles. Yeah, absolutely have Yeah, and it's been effective for you no, no, but but it was I thought it would be. It's really cool. 00:07:04 Speaker 5: Explain it, yeah, dudle sockings, Like I use a really what we did would use a really thick cane pole and you'd put some super heavy line on the end of it. You'd put like a real flashy bait on the end, and you would stick it in the water and you just stir it back and forth, kind of like if you're fishing, fishing for say pike or something, you come back and you do the figure eight when you come back, you do that just with you know, right the base of a tree or something. 00:07:26 Speaker 2: You know, And so I've heard of people wearing them out. What do you catch cropping now? 00:07:29 Speaker 5: Usually it's it's more aggressive fish like largemouth bass, and you know, you catch a buch rough fish like that too, I hear. 00:07:35 Speaker 2: I wasn't good at it. 00:07:36 Speaker 1: So yeah, well when you said you know your dad would be cropping fishing close to bank, it's like, well, that's an application for that. 00:07:42 Speaker 5: I don't want to ever tried it, yeah now now, but I did. I did, certainly. I didn't really even know, I think, how to seriously cast a bait cast real until later, because there was never an opportunity to cast. 00:07:53 Speaker 2: It was just pitching. 00:07:54 Speaker 5: You're just just flipping it right in there on the bake because you're right on the top of it. Jiggs or what would you just about anything? 00:08:00 Speaker 2: But yeah, jigs. 00:08:01 Speaker 5: A lot of times I use plastics, you know, because it was usually pretty snaggy. Dad wasn't real good about stopping and letting you get your bait undone, and I didn't have enough money to break a bunch of baits off, so I pitched something I could get. 00:08:13 Speaker 2: Back, you know what I'm saying. Or if I lost it, I didn't cry. 00:08:15 Speaker 3: I saw an article I think it was in Bass Magazine one time, that there have been more ten pounders recorded caught on like soft plastics in any other bait. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: I can see that. 00:08:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the lizard might be one of the top ones I've heard that. 00:08:32 Speaker 5: I remember that my dad he wouldn't let me actually bass fish. Well, he was crappy fishing unless I stuck a crappie pole out. So I would take a I would bring a fiberglass like cane pole or just a cane pole, and it'd have a jig on it that had been in the back of the truck, I mean, and I would just lay it out the side, away from the brush and just let it sit there, and then I would bass fish. 00:08:52 Speaker 2: And I will never forget. 00:08:53 Speaker 1: Is that because of the food value of the crappie he warned you to be trying to get that? 00:08:58 Speaker 2: Or is it just was it just? 00:08:59 Speaker 3: Why was it? 00:09:00 Speaker 5: I don't do you know, to be honest with you, that's a good question. I don't really know why he was so hardheaded about. 00:09:03 Speaker 2: Stuff like that. 00:09:04 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not exactly sure now that I'm thinking back about why would you make me do that? 00:09:08 Speaker 2: But anyway, I didn't like it. 00:09:09 Speaker 5: Yeah, but we were on an old lake and I had taken it and it had a jig on there that just old tube jig that covered in dirt. Just muddy nasty, and it's laid out on the side of the boat, and I'm over here, you know, doing my best to be bill dance. You know, I'm over pitching and flipping and I'm reeling and anyway you get ready to go, and the cane poles hung up. 00:09:27 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm hung up, man. 00:09:28 Speaker 5: I'm snatching on it, you know, four or five times, and then I pull on it and all of a sudden, I see something silver. I'm like, man, there's something on there. I've hooked something. Eight and a half pound bassess, the biggest bass I've ever caught in my life was on that ratty cane pole with that filthy jig. I was like, and my dad was like, holding exactly but that junk down, you could be. 00:09:49 Speaker 2: Catching a real fish. 00:09:50 Speaker 1: I was like, I hung about a four pounder on a cane pole the other day. And uh, my dad great atdoorsman. I think he got just a little rusty or excited or something. And because he's gonna help me land it, yeah, and he doesn't listen, so I can just rad him out. So he did, like the unforgivable. He grabs the line like two feet above the bass and you know, it's it's a four pounder, which is a cool bass. I'd like to take a picture with it. You know, it's not huge, but it's nice. And now on the camep hole would be cool, you know, gold hook. He grabs that line two foot above that bass and it splashes once then gone. 00:10:24 Speaker 2: He said, oh you got off. 00:10:25 Speaker 5: Like, yeah, does it bother you that he that he did didn't do it well? 00:10:31 Speaker 2: Or did it bother you that he wasn't bothered by the fact that it was going? This is the second one for sure. You know, it's funny. 00:10:36 Speaker 1: I see him become We lost my granddad, was it February or January something like that, and uh, you know, super influential guy in my life, you know, very much like just the pillar of faith and outdoorsmen that our family needed. Yeah, and I see my dad becoming him and a lot of the good but some of the stuff that's like I'm gonna say bad, like you know, you could have just not been so honorrary about it. 00:11:03 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, But it's funny just kind of seeing how that stuff kind of goes down in general generationally and the interest in that stuff and how you know, my dad was the same way he loved bass. 00:11:15 Speaker 1: Fish because he grew up when Lake Fork opened. Oh you know, so like it was just that was the financial process and now it's like I just need a crappy jigen pole and you can go up there and picture them bass or whatever. 00:11:27 Speaker 2: You know. 00:11:28 Speaker 1: You know, we were having this discussion earlier, and I think you brought it up. It was like, man, bass are just about as good as crappies. They are, which I think is probably a highly debated topic. Is that debated because bass became such a sports fish you think? 00:11:44 Speaker 3: I don't think it's debated. I think it's debatable among circles. But I don't feel like there's a lot of people debating that right now. I think it's because of the catch and release thing. 00:11:52 Speaker 2: Well, I think that potentially you are correct, but. 00:11:56 Speaker 3: There is probably if you were to say the statement, though, people would debate you. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: There's a lot of folks for bass, but maybe you don't care about the other people that are just catching releasing on. 00:12:08 Speaker 2: The bass, you know what I'm saying. 00:12:09 Speaker 5: So yeah, And I also think today with the way things are controversial, I think people are like, I don't want to talk about it because I don't really want to argue it. 00:12:17 Speaker 2: But you know, eating a bass back in the day was no big deal. That's what they did. 00:12:21 Speaker 5: But but the level of sport now, you know, and now that's become part of a sport, it became kind of a bad deal. 00:12:27 Speaker 2: You're not you're not. 00:12:28 Speaker 5: You got to catch and release or whatever. But I mean, if you don't they taste this watercrop. 00:12:32 Speaker 3: My dad's uncle was a guide on tilta Ben in the seventies, I think, and my dad's got pictures every time they went fishing onto the men. They didn't throw bass back. No, yeah, I mean it's stringers, that's right. I mean, and he's like, I don't see why we don't still keep on me yet. I mean, you understand when you look at like some management stuff, right, But and there's like a new there's a new thing with bass management. It's a new word where like a lot of these people that are imagining like ponds and private lakes and stuff, they're like not throwing nothing back when they're they're making sure that these bass have enough to eat. Yeah, because if they overpopulate, then they don't have enough to eat, they don't get big. 00:13:08 Speaker 5: That's exactly right, and I see that little lakes you'll catch a bass of a four pound head and a two pound body. 00:13:13 Speaker 2: I mean, you look like something on TV that's begging for money. I mean it's bad. 00:13:17 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean for those maybe maybe maybe that don't know the bass is a sunfish and so I mean they're tasty. They're tasty. Yeah, they are not. I mean, I honestly would rather, for sure, rather clean a bass than a catfish. 00:13:32 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:13:33 Speaker 3: I'm probably alone in that at this table, but I mean, I just I feel like a bass filat is much easier than a catfish. I agree with that, you know. I mean, and they're just less slimy. They don't have them fins sticking out everywhere they's for sure. So yeah, I mean, and they're the weird like that. It's almost like a saddle that comes back on the top of the catfish. It makes it kind of difficult sometimes. You know. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: What's interesting to me is like the. 00:13:58 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what you'd call, but like the transition from a utilitarian practice in the outdoors to the sport side of it. 00:14:07 Speaker 2: So like Arkansas huge duck hunting culture. 00:14:10 Speaker 1: Sure that's not because of the European influence of the sport of waterfowling or whatever. It's because people around here were farmers, right, and the ducks came here and they shot the ducks and they ate the ducks. Sure, but now you got you know, mud motors and people going crazy and flying. 00:14:30 Speaker 2: It's part of it. 00:14:31 Speaker 1: It's cool, it's fun. You're telling some stories about it, you know. But it's interesting because the bass fish is kind of like that too. Like you know, you tell somebody from the fifties that in the late seventies they're going to develop this tour where people kind of all sit in the same boat and all have the same selection of lures, and they're going to go out there and try to catch five fish that are the biggest five fish that can catch. 00:14:49 Speaker 2: About why wouldn't you catch twenty key mall? You know, like that. It's kind of like that. 00:14:52 Speaker 3: It's interesting because you it almost you would you would find it. You'd be hard pressed to kind of find a something that that aligns like you've got, like you're saying, the utilitarian side that like wants to catch fish to eat kind of and then you have the sports side. And almost every time I would say conservation is because of the sports side, right, Like if you think about a lot of the a lot of conservation comes out of the sports side. It's we want bigger white tails, we want bigger bass, we want and then also because they jump, you know, so we like that sport, so we're going to make sure that these things exist. You know. 00:15:26 Speaker 1: I would think it's because of the economic generation of it too, though, because you don't generate a lot economically from just consumption. In fact, maybe that you could argue that it impacts the economy because there's no money exchange. 00:15:38 Speaker 2: But you know, all of a sudden based tackle, Yeah there is some. 00:15:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, a little bit, but like fork gets impounded and then you know, millions of dollars gets dumped into the general area. Sure, and then or you know. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: Star is getting bult because people want to eat d you know what I mean. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: They start the tour or whatever Max Prairie Wings is. It doesn't exist if it's not for like the sport of duck hunt. 00:16:03 Speaker 5: Sure, sure, I think I want to go full Preacher on you, but I think fundamentally all of it really boils down to the fact that we've been given dominion, you know, and with dominion. That means you have authorship and you have ownership, and you have the ability to modify things, you know. So so for instance, we can manage something because we have dominion over it. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: We can also destroy it because we have dominion. 00:16:26 Speaker 5: And it's interesting that if you think about this, that many times the reason why we destroyed something, or the reason why we may be mismanaged it is because we were surprised that we actually had dominion over it. Oh we could, we can actually destroy this. You sure can, because you've been given that, you know. And with dominion, you know, every we we have. 00:16:45 Speaker 3: That's what I never thought about it in that sense, like when things go extinct, because you it's like almost people kind of forget about their role as humans, Like what what was man's first job? 00:16:56 Speaker 2: Yeah? 00:16:56 Speaker 3: People, And when people talk about dominion, they always it's always like the pro side almost. It's like, oh, yeah, we have dominions, so we can manage these deer, and we can you know, we can go out and harvest these turkeys. And it's like, well, you also have dominions, so you could deplete the resource to nothing because God allows that, right, Yeah. 00:17:13 Speaker 5: Yeah, So you think about it from the perspective of you know, the only two ways we learn is it's it's we either learned by wisdom or we learn by consequence. That's the only two ways that we're going to figure things out. The funny thing is is God gave us wisdoms that hey, you've got dominion. 00:17:26 Speaker 2: But we're surprised by it. 00:17:27 Speaker 5: And so that's why when we start to manage something, usually we manage it after it's gotten out of control or after something bad has happened and we're like, okay, we need to manage that. We didn't realize we're destroying all the wilderness or we were, you know, polluting all the waterways. Well, it's because you didn't have wisdom on the front end that said, hey, we can do this, and then then we're surprised that we can, and. 00:17:46 Speaker 2: Then we have to pay. The consequence is always more expensive. It's cheaper. 00:17:49 Speaker 5: Wisdom will cost you time, but consequence will cost you almost everything. So so you know, when it comes to the issue of dominion, that's I think that's the reason why you see any kind of man management, is that we've come to the realization that we can affect, that we can we can move the needle. We can do something different, you know, And and I think it's I don't think it's a bad thing. I just think at the same time, sometimes we let what we have dominion over affect us surely, and we kind of relinquish our authority and let it, let it move us, and all of a sudden we're panicked and trying to let something tell us when we should be telling it. 00:18:24 Speaker 1: I got changing it pretty hot water about talking about dominion on Uh, well, it's not that I can't handle hot water. 00:18:34 Speaker 2: I took a steamy shower this morning. 00:18:37 Speaker 1: But maybe there was some people that took issue with me using the word dominion on video and podcasts because it sounds like dominate. But that's when you're talking about scriptural dominion, the dominion God gives us. 00:18:50 Speaker 2: It is not about us dominating things, right right. 00:18:52 Speaker 1: We're supposed to work in conjunction with His creation, and part of dominion is to help it to flourish. Yeah, right, you look at I always like to think about the Lewis and Clark expedition because whenever the Lewis and Clark expedition went past the Missouri or maybe I'm saying that wrong, when they went through Saint Louis and beyond out to the west. 00:19:13 Speaker 3: Right what buzzali Huh was that a buzzaire statement. 00:19:22 Speaker 2: They encountered predators in astounding numbers. They would see. 00:19:27 Speaker 1: Predators tend to want to a pre species when you look across the the you know, the Great Plains in the west. Now, that's not how it looks because humans are managing it on a pretty nice level. And it's actually really cool, which you know, a lot more food species out there. There are a lot more food animals out there because there's a lot of management being done. You know, like that was one of the first things whenever you know, people went out west, it's like we got to shoot the bears, you go to shoot the wolves. 00:19:51 Speaker 2: And now I'm not proponent a proponent. 00:19:52 Speaker 1: Of exterminating those species, but it's a good thing to put them in control because we like to consume and we like to enjoy all the pre species. And and that's really what I think is a portion of that spiritual dominion that we're talking about of Hey, God gave us the tools it takes to make this stuff flourish. 00:20:10 Speaker 2: It's not pressure bationists. Let's leave it out there. 00:20:13 Speaker 1: We don't belong there. We belong in the mix and helping. Sure, it's it's it's we're not going to replicate the garden even we got we got seen out of there. Sure, but sure, at the same time, it's still his creation. 00:20:25 Speaker 3: I'm looking at the the definition of dominion and sovereignty. In both the first two definitions, I like that sovereign or sovereignty, so in other words, not dominate but control. Yeah, the ability to control. 00:20:40 Speaker 5: So dominion would be the authority given, and then stewardship would be how you would exercise that where it's it's in alignment, you know. So if you have dominion without stewardship, you have dictatorship and you have a ruin and you have mass. But if you have dominion with stewardship, you have you have an ecosystem that that that manages it self by the way that you handle it, you know, and it's balanced, you know. 00:21:03 Speaker 2: So I think that's the thing. 00:21:04 Speaker 5: The other thing is that's interesting about when you think about from the perspective of dominion, if we understood that from wisdom on the front end, there's a lot of things we could avoid. There's a lot of things that we could you know, not ruin You don't have to ruin something to realize that ruining it's bad. If you know on the front end, you can ruin it. I can do this, so but should I? 00:21:24 Speaker 2: You know? 00:21:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting that you bring that up. My dad, I talked about him already once. It's a pretty wise guy. 00:21:30 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:21:31 Speaker 1: I very much love my dad. He's a smart guy. Learned a lot from him. And one of his things that he draws from experiences in the outdoors and raising me is he thinks that as a child, it is good for you to kill the grasshoppera it's good for you to kill the rat. 00:21:46 Speaker 2: It's good for you to kind of do those things. 00:21:49 Speaker 1: I'm not implying that every living creature doesn't have some level of a right to live, But what I'm saying. 00:21:55 Speaker 2: Is that. 00:21:58 Speaker 1: It helps you to understand and on a greater level when it comes to higher forms of life. 00:22:03 Speaker 2: I guess it's sure a good way to. 00:22:06 Speaker 1: Say it, like this stuff matters, right, he'll bull it, and it's like you kind of get got to get that killing out of you, you know, and if if there's a chance at least I'm not saying it's a guarantee. 00:22:16 Speaker 2: But you know, if people. 00:22:18 Speaker 1: Don't experience that, and they don't get to have a grasp of life and death, they could lose their ability to appreciate life for what it is, sure as an adult. And he kind of reflects that back to some of the issues you see across the landscape from I don't want to get too much into the weeds on that stuff, but in general, in general, it could lead to volunteer adults because they don't get to grasp what meaning of life is. 00:22:44 Speaker 5: Absolutely yeah, and I think you can see that through even some of the video game stuff that that people are inundated with that all of a sudden, and even social media. I just think that it's really hard to value what's valuable when you know they're in your stream of social media, you'll have, you know, some person going through some great suffering or going through something terrible or something awful has happened, and then right behind it's a no bake cookie recipe, and and all of a sudden, your value system gets thwarted, and now everything's equal in value. And and for those of us who have and we'll go back to dominion, for if you have dominion, you need to know what's important what's not. And that's really a significant thing that today that I find society wise, we just have a real hard time grasp and what's what's really meaningful and what really matters and what what what can I discount? What needs to be thrown away and not really thought about, and what needs to be held onto. 00:23:35 Speaker 1: And do you think that a person's connection to their food and the life and death of the things that they eat has anything to do with that? 00:23:44 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:24:07 Speaker 5: I think absolutely, I think, I think And one of the things that hunting, I think does for people who who really participate in is you get an intimate understanding of that animal. It's life, it's struggle, you know, and there's there's certainly parts. 00:24:23 Speaker 2: Of that that you empathize with. 00:24:24 Speaker 5: And when you make a kill, yes there's a celebration, but there's also this piece of you that goes something something lost its life and you sense that there's a tangible piece to that, and you'll even see it like what's even worse is where and it happens you make a bad shot. 00:24:42 Speaker 2: You know. 00:24:43 Speaker 5: I don't know if there's anything worse than hunting than you having to live with that, you know, we're trying to find this thing. 00:24:49 Speaker 3: I didn't even feel like last year. Y'all are being very nice about it to me. I mean, y'all just laughed at me hitting myself in the mouth right after I missed that there. You know, it was fun. 00:25:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that story, I think that story is a haven. 00:25:05 Speaker 3: I'm told it after that. 00:25:07 Speaker 2: I don't know. 00:25:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is you know, the podcast audience knows they get to get the inside. 00:25:12 Speaker 2: That is definitely an inside story. 00:25:14 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I'm pretty sure. I don't know. I know we've told part of it. I know we told this part that I shot at a deer in Arkansas last year and uh basically pierced his ear. It was it was wild. 00:25:28 Speaker 1: You know that song, uh no, pierce my ear. Huh yeah, it's a good song, is that. No, it's a it's a church song. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: We sing it in youth. It's pierce my oh lord, my god. It's sorer thing that but you know kind of you know what, no, no, no, man, I was I was getting into it. I was that I can really go out there an audit. I'm excited. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: Tyler or guitar, we'll have something that's one of my guitar rock my kids to sleep songs that I sing them. 00:25:57 Speaker 2: You know, all we're rocking or whatever works real good. I like it. 00:26:00 Speaker 3: I'll try rocking while you're rocking, you know what I mean. Anyway, I pierced deer's ear, which was not a spiritual thing at all. It was just me physically piercing a deer's ear with an arrow, and he ran off and pretty sure, you know, there's a chance he's still alive, at least because it didn't really hit him in and immediately fatal swas. 00:26:20 Speaker 2: The most bottle of things, and it was a deflection. 00:26:23 Speaker 1: It wasn't just yeah, yeah, completely just being like you know what, I'm gonna fling it, you know, because it was using a lethal range too, like far shoddingything. 00:26:30 Speaker 5: So we know he's still alive, though, do we Yeah, we got trail camp pictures. He had like this big chain on later and this thing, this air ring hanging down. It was pretty cool. We were like, that's. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: Sick. 00:26:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, from downtown Little Rock. 00:26:45 Speaker 2: He was throwing gang signs at the camera. It was weird. What what age Q first year? 00:26:52 Speaker 3: I don't want the rest of that story. Well, big the main story to tell him was the fact that I punched myself in the face. 00:27:00 Speaker 2: Oh, I thought you meant I forgot you actually punched yourself in the face. Yeah. 00:27:05 Speaker 3: We had a good laugh about Well y'all did I didn't really laugh at me. Uh No. I so when I'm pretty sure I've told this, some party saw do it quick. But the I was using a new release because Michael lost my release in Oklahoma. 00:27:21 Speaker 2: Michael, uh No, I know HiPhones. Michael. 00:27:25 Speaker 3: Then were walking out and I took a jacket off, and to do that, I have to get my release off my hand. If somebody will make a release that you can put jackets on and off, that the truth. 00:27:35 Speaker 2: It's the worst release. 00:27:36 Speaker 3: They will probably they'll definitely get my endorsement. But I take the release off or just out in the middle. I mean we're literally we were like a mile and a half. Probably that's a legit, I think, just saying this, you know what I mean it We're like a mile and a half from the truck, and I take the jacket off, stuff in my bag, we take off. We're burning back. I got it trying to get home, you know, at some point that night or whatever, and I get to the truck my release I was fixing and put all put it on my bow and put it back in my truck. No, really used to be found. I know exactly where it is, but I ain't walking three miles total round trip to go do this right now. And I'm like, I got a backup release. Then I next week. Next week I go to Arkansas. That happens, and I'm like, dude, it was weird because I had like a weird like flinch deal where a no, for a fact, the trigger pressure was different than my other release, and that's that was a big part of what caused me to kind of flinch a little bit and potentially pull the shot up a little bit, which caused me to hit a tree limb and then deflect upwards into this deer's ear. So, uh, anyway, we get out in the yard and we're gonna we're gonna shoot you know, a target, and and see if we can mess with this release pressure a little bit and all this other stuff. It was a long story, but I uh, case I was like, Casey's like, we can we can mess with that trigger you know a little bit or whatever. We go I'm like, yeah, let's do it. Well, if you ever mess with and an Alan wrench and try to, you know, light in your trigger pressure a little bit, don't do you? Maybe maybe start with like an eighth of a turn, you know what I mean, don't do like four turns like we did. 00:29:05 Speaker 5: I feel like the best detail of this story, though, is that you have reservations. 00:29:09 Speaker 2: You're like, I'm not sure if we can adjust that. Are you sure? And Casey was absolutely confidence still. Casey was like Casey. 00:29:16 Speaker 5: Was like Evil Knievel getting ready to jump jump the snake river. Oh no, but I mean, don't he fully believed it. He is full, he was sold. 00:29:24 Speaker 2: He's like, no, no trouble at all. 00:29:26 Speaker 5: And you kept going, yeah, but what I don't want to just release on its own, you know, I don't want something like that happened. 00:29:31 Speaker 3: I forgot this. 00:29:32 Speaker 2: Casey is like, no worries at all, man, this is going to be easy. You don't have to even you have to think about it. I got this thing, man. 00:29:41 Speaker 1: Make sure you pointed the ground and kind of draw away from your head a little bit. 00:29:44 Speaker 3: And I think some words are getting made up here. I'm not saying up on the draw you this is exactly I know. I know this part, but told me that. 00:29:57 Speaker 2: I went, hey, you might should in the up get it the word. 00:30:02 Speaker 3: So I to the proper way to draw to kind of save your shoulders, and I have a shoulder issue, is to kind of point the boat up a little bit, draw down and at the same time you're pulling down or whatever. At least that's what I hear. I'm no expert, but that's what I hear. 00:30:17 Speaker 2: So I do that. 00:30:18 Speaker 3: I'm doing that as I'm doing it. He says that, and it's like too late. I mean I put about forty to fifty sixty pounds about to break over the wall and the trigger just completely falls over. I mean, the hook falls over the trigger. You know, it was too light. We at least did way too much. And if you've never like, I mean, you should sometimes you should grab you know, forty five pounds weight and then just pull up as hard as you can't let go and punch yourself in the mouth. 00:30:47 Speaker 2: Yeah it hurts. So you're telling Scott to do this, I mean, no, it hurts. 00:30:53 Speaker 3: I punched myself right in the mouth and my mouth is bleeding. Everybody like the immediate reaction is like slap me, like you know, and then you're like, oh, I shouldn't laugh at this, you know. So everybody got real quiet, and I sitting there just like I take my mind. 00:31:05 Speaker 1: My action was worded where the arrow goes, yeah, because there might have been some people in yards around, you know. 00:31:13 Speaker 2: Not to mention that we were in a neighborhood. And but. 00:31:19 Speaker 3: It went like fifty yards probably, yeah, And we had a dog Retriever with us. 00:31:25 Speaker 2: And it kind of just go over there flying. 00:31:28 Speaker 5: So we had a pub with But for me, that was one of the best parts of that trip though, because we had we had traveled through like five or six blocks of land looking and scouting and stuff, and it was like being with a machine. 00:31:41 Speaker 2: Y'all are like a machine. I mean just the way y'all processed. 00:31:44 Speaker 5: As we were walking through stuff, I was like, Holy crap, I've I've been doing this wrong my whole life. I was like, by the time we were finished, I was like, I don't even think I'm a hunter at all. I mean, maybe maybe I've been confused that. You know, I had a better chance to run on I have a chance of running a deer over better than killing one of my boat. But it was like a than we that's just because it's been here in my life. 00:32:04 Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like a machine. 00:32:06 Speaker 5: And so when we got back and we had that little event, I was like, praise. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: God's regular people. 00:32:12 Speaker 5: Okay, I feel better about myself. Myself esteems back up. Okay, okay, I do this same stuff. So yeah, okay, we got this. We did that for you made me feel that. Make sure people to understand the. 00:32:24 Speaker 2: Ventilation board on the desk star like there is a chink in the armor. Scott found it. Uh so that's Star Trek. 00:32:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, lived long and prosper Uh So you have killed quite a few Arkansas deer. Uh And I would I would say for one, uh something to encourage you is the way we hunt probably isn't for everybody. 00:32:46 Speaker 2: You know. 00:32:47 Speaker 1: We definitely run sprints when we hunt, and I think I think a lot of people are more of the marathon type. And that's a good thing because a lot of people enjoy that. A lot of people enjoyed slow pace. Sometimes even I miss a little bit slower paced a lot to hunt, you know, like, hey we got the deer lease, I got two buck tags for the whole season. 00:33:05 Speaker 2: You know, go out there and experience some things. 00:33:07 Speaker 1: Think about stuff and slow it down, and a lot of times when we're traveling it's just not that it's it's. 00:33:12 Speaker 2: High grading, you know. 00:33:14 Speaker 5: And I think I think one of the things that that I would say, just having had a chance to watch you know, watch you guys, you know, your videos and be around you, is that I think that one of the things you guys present really well is it almost seems easy what's happening there, but there's a lot going on. But there's something else too that I think for the average person, I've learned so much just watching you guys do I've hated my whole life, but I mean, I've got several things that I have in my hip pocket now. I'm like, and I asked the question, you know what what Tyler and Case do right here? You know, I'm like, oh, this because there's the way that you guys actually do go about finding tracking, understanding, looking at sign, dealing with wind and how you're going to treat a place, when would you go in what is your ingresss? The way y'all process all that is gigantically important because you have to be successful and it depends on what you're doing. And I think that's a piece that I go back and watch videos now and I'm a lot more careful at watching the videos about how you do something because I've seen you do it in real time, in real life. And I think that's a part that for the average hunter, it's all about, you know, percentages really and we don't have a lot of time, you know, so if you can cut the percentages, get put them in your in your favor by just having a few things where you a stand placement or whatever, I think that makes you much more opportunistic for success. 00:34:37 Speaker 2: And y'all give that, and that's that's like stuff that. 00:34:39 Speaker 5: And again I'll say it, I'm just gonna say it, y'all need to be doing some type of deal where you're letting some of that information out or or having in your videos more off because the way you guys process through a piece of property, and it doesn't matter where you are, the way you process through it and the way you analyze it. It's not natural for y'all because you do it. But it's a very very important part of hunting. 00:34:59 Speaker 3: Especially for and we talked about it last night that we did the map Scalut challenge for two years and you were kind of asking us like why we if we're doing anymore, have we done it, why we're not doing it whatever, And we talked about it a little bit, and it's one of those things where like the whole point of the map Scout map Scout Challenge or one of the big main points was that we would people would get that inside like colost real time. I mean, it was one of them. It was the most massive project video wise I've ever done at the time, and one of the more massive. Buck Truck would be the only one probably more massive than that now still. And part of that is because that was four K you know what I mean. But I mean just huge amounts of footage, screen recordings and several different cameras and angles and all this trying to line all this up and just a lot of pre planning, which we don't do well actually, and we did well on that, and so it just it it was very time consuming. But what the point was is that we really wanted to show people like this. And here's the thing is, we're not like claiming to be some MLB picture that can show you how one hundred miles an hour. I mean, we just go out and do it a lot, so we can show you what we do, what works for us. It may not work in Arkansas like case said, or it may you know, but you can take what you know. It's just like with the bloodline yesterday, you're cutting out those bloodlines like Cavis shom like. I never seen anybody do it that way, you know. It's I mean, we all can learn stuff from each other. There's always somebody who's done it different, or their dad did it different or whatever. But we wanted to show people essentially this is our process kind of in a more it's like a forty minute video or whatever. It's long form. You get to see exactly what we're thinking, what we're talking about, and how this actually looks. Not just me just giving you the five hot tips. You know, how to scout, how to map scout or whatever. It's it's a at real time processing. That was the point of it. But the reason we don't do it anymore is because even though a lot of people liked it, I would say way way majority of people were appreciative of that. There's there's a few haters out there that just made us feel bad about it. 00:37:01 Speaker 5: But their concern was like it was like giving away a piece of land and that was the deal. But you know, remember the last buck truck, which by the way, is the best buck truck one, the Arkansas one that is the That's a phenomenal video and that should be watched. 00:37:17 Speaker 3: It's really incredible. 00:37:18 Speaker 2: There's a pretty cool dude on there that I like a lot. 00:37:20 Speaker 1: So, yeah, is a scene that does not crack up so much. You know, we all go scouting with you, which is a. 00:37:27 Speaker 3: Lot of fun. 00:37:28 Speaker 2: You have a one liner that's hilarious. But you take your a TV across this ditch. You know, he doesn't this. 00:37:35 Speaker 1: I bet I bet he does. It might have been on the way back. I don't remember the trailer there was hauling people. Yeah, yeah, there were some tools in that trailer. Did you realize that? No, the gate flew up and on your trailer and here goes like six or seven wrenches into that creature. 00:37:54 Speaker 5: By storem there just in case I break down next time I'm down in there. 00:37:57 Speaker 3: That's hilarious. 00:37:58 Speaker 5: I like that. 00:37:59 Speaker 3: I like the joke. You're the one line you're talking about where my gymnast mind back me up. 00:38:08 Speaker 2: But I thought it was funny on that video. 00:38:10 Speaker 5: So you guys and Clay go out and y'all going different directions. And this is the reason why I say that there's something to this is that y'all are in a I mean, you're in a vast area. 00:38:21 Speaker 2: Where you are. 00:38:21 Speaker 5: You could have gone any way you want, and all three of you wind up in the same spot that. 00:38:25 Speaker 2: Was my spot. By the way, they all can. 00:38:28 Speaker 3: If you watch before that, I actually let both of them go choose spot. 00:38:35 Speaker 2: The reason. 00:38:35 Speaker 5: But my point is is that you take three guys that know what they're looking for, it there's got to be some something connected because you wind up in the same spot, which says that there's something to this, and that I think that's the issue with good hunters. I think I think you guys could be dropped off in the same scope of woods at different times, and I bet you guys would pick places that would be a chance. 00:38:56 Speaker 3: When we map scout Man all the time and we're looking at a new property, I mean he and I are like, immediately our eyes draw to the same spot a lot. I mean, it's it's something and it maybe because we talk a lot, I don't know, but they're the same person. 00:39:09 Speaker 1: A lot of times too, And you spend a lot of time doing this stuff with each other, but it's usually moving towards a really good things, you know. 00:39:16 Speaker 2: Little g wage say, it's like church. 00:39:20 Speaker 3: Process, right when you get together, you kind of move towards the same goal a little bit, you know. 00:39:25 Speaker 5: I remember though, back in the day. I remember there was like this self defense course in college that that we went through, and a guy was telling us about how you never like forget your your intuition, you know, And he said, he said, you may be walking through a parking deck or something. He said, there's something you see that inside you go ooh, I don't like that. And he said, never ignore that, just because you're you're seeing something that you're subconscious even has picked up on that says, hey, there's danger here, you know. And I think the same thing's true for the way that you guys scout. I think there's things that you guys pick up on and that's the reason why. And you may not even know that you're picking up on it, but you've done it so much, you know. I think for the rest of us peasants, I'm telling you right now. 00:40:06 Speaker 2: That would be beneficial. So I try to be a very self aware person. 00:40:12 Speaker 1: I know a lot of what my faults are and one of them usually is procrastinate, and I leave things undone sometimes not the leader I should be. Sometimes my family. It's like something a lot of men, you know, we need to work on. But one of the things I do know about myself, I'm a very observant person. And it's confirmed by my friends. And I think it's interesting that you bring that up because I think that being detail oriented at detail oriented absolutely matters in the woods and seeing the little things just absolutely matters. Hey, those deer are over here. Uh they aren't usually over there. Why are they over there? What are they eating or whatever? 00:40:51 Speaker 3: Why is a big question? 00:40:52 Speaker 1: Man? 00:40:52 Speaker 2: Why and. 00:40:55 Speaker 1: Not zoning out like today, for instance, this is one of the things I want to show. You've been hunting private land, Arkansas. Right, we're walking out, we're stepping over a creek, and we could have been thinking about what we're gonna eat or whatever, but I'm also looking around. 00:41:11 Speaker 2: Oh that was in the creek. 00:41:14 Speaker 3: Dude, that's legit. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: That's it's a three and a half inch point. It's either a Daryl or a Cerci, which I was either unfamiliar with. 00:41:24 Speaker 2: Circe. 00:41:24 Speaker 1: Uh, I know the town, but it's you know, airheads have their own names and types, and that one has about a half inch of the tip broke off, but otherwise it's it's like one of my top fines. 00:41:35 Speaker 2: Dude, that is absolutely beautiful. Man. Look at the craftsman ship. 00:41:39 Speaker 3: I think even it's crazy how even it is, like thickness and everything. 00:41:44 Speaker 2: You know. The guy who made that was good at it. 00:41:46 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure. 00:41:47 Speaker 5: And just think about how long that has been there and think about who. 00:41:51 Speaker 2: Was hunting's turkey. 00:41:55 Speaker 1: I kind of feel like that's a knife. I don't know a lot of things, but I think that's a knife. I think too long for an era. Yeah, so airheads particularly are usually going to be kind of shorter and blunder and you think about like broad heads that we have today that waste fifteen hundred grounds. Yeah, their grains, you know, so it's not really that effective on the front of a bowt. 00:42:15 Speaker 2: It could be a spare point, depends on you. She talked to about it. 00:42:18 Speaker 5: They did have those real heavy yeah, heavy foc guys. 00:42:21 Speaker 2: That's you know what I'm saying. 00:42:23 Speaker 5: They've been around for He said, you know, if you really want to go through both side full pass through, you got to have that they started out. 00:42:29 Speaker 3: Yeah, they didn't want to they didn't want to kill them. 00:42:33 Speaker 2: On the other guys had mechanicals. 00:42:34 Speaker 3: That's right. 00:42:35 Speaker 1: But you see the tip is broke, and that's kind of one of the things that makes me think that it's probably a knife too, is because you can be more. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: Careful than knife. 00:42:41 Speaker 1: You're sending it out at one hundred and fifty foot per second. Yeah, you know so, but yeah, I was just amazed. 00:42:47 Speaker 2: That is absolutely the coolest thing. 00:42:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, it was, it was, it was. It was really cool moment. But there was a rock that the tip was under, like underneath it, and so we didn't know the tip wasn't there until we lifted the rock up, and it was like a sad moment. 00:43:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like, oh my god. 00:43:07 Speaker 3: It was like he lost his mind. He was like, turn the cameras on this, this is like a top three fine, you know, it's awesome. And then they get the cameras on and he, uh, we go down to look at it and it's under the rock a little bit. He pulls the rock up and we're like. 00:43:22 Speaker 7: Oh man, it's kind of side probably top ten of all all the artifacts of that's incredible and I've never seen one with this coloration. 00:43:32 Speaker 1: If you hold it up to the lights, you can see how thin the sides are gray flint. 00:43:36 Speaker 2: It's it's very pretty. 00:43:38 Speaker 1: I'd love to look up and see what cory that came from, because a lot of these now in Arkansas. You might know, say, is there a flint quarry anywhere around or anything like that? No, No, elevates Corey and in northern Texas is one where a lot of them araheads of the great planes come from that flint quarry. 00:43:55 Speaker 2: Because you see, they're kind of pink. 00:43:57 Speaker 3: And these Indians would they would travel to a quarry area to get the thing. 00:44:02 Speaker 1: It's mostly trade, but potentially, I mean they had a complex culture, you know, Like it wasn't just these little outposts that didn't talk to each other. Right, So, like I found a spear point on the Texas coast very similar to this, but beef Heer is a different type of erahead, and there's no way it came from Texas coast. There's no flint for hundreds of miles down there. You know, dude, I think that thing is incredible. Yeah, they're beautiful, man, but it's cool. So I asked you a question we'll go. 00:44:32 Speaker 5: Yes, when did you kill you first deer? You know, I'm trying to think. I think I was ten before I killed my first deer. I hunted a lot before that. Dad was not one to make it easy on you though, you you know, he was not going to set you beside him and hey, Bud, there's the deer and put. 00:44:47 Speaker 2: A gun in your hand and you kill it. It was kind of one of those things where. 00:44:51 Speaker 5: I remember early on, until you got old enough to hunt on your own, you didn't really go that much. 00:44:57 Speaker 2: You know. 00:44:58 Speaker 5: He wasn't one that was going to have a dumb stand. I mean, I'm to take my kids out there now. I don't wake them up either if they go to sleep or whatever. I shoot their deer for thee Yeah. 00:45:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see it. It's gonna get in our wind. But yeah. 00:45:11 Speaker 5: So so I was a little bit older, I think than a lot of people, but I was ten. It was a dough. I'll never forget it. I shot a dough. It was on a fire break and I was walking shot it. 00:45:23 Speaker 2: With a rifle. I still have the rifle. It's cool old woods Woods Master seven forty two Remington. So that's I have one of those. It was a three O eight three eight. It was a semi auto. 00:45:33 Speaker 1: Yes, sir, clip fed in the bottom yep, and they are at least the two forty threes are known for jamming. 00:45:39 Speaker 2: Is that you know this? 00:45:41 Speaker 5: No, this this actually that it functioned really well. It was actually a really really nice rifle for that that. Yeah, it hardly has any blue left on the barrel. That's been kind of I've shot born down. 00:45:50 Speaker 1: I probably shot my first deer with that two forty three version of that same gun. 00:45:53 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:45:54 Speaker 5: Yeah, Hey, those are super popular back in the day. Everybody had those. 00:45:57 Speaker 1: I think they were fairly inexpensive, but were in a good brand and semi auto is I think a lot of people like semi auto at that point in time. You know, there's there's actually you might know more about this than I do. But there's like the story of why the thirty six became like the premieer deer hunting rifle because people came back from World War TI too in Korea where that was kind. 00:46:16 Speaker 2: Of the rifle that they used a round. 00:46:19 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and so it's like that's what they feel comfortable with. Yeah, it also is really good ballistically. 00:46:24 Speaker 5: Idios idious that the thirty six and the three eight are both probably the most and I remember it seems like I readA something about it. I think that the thirty thirty and the three oh eight or the two most popular hunting cartridges in the history of. 00:46:37 Speaker 2: I do love thirty thirty killed everyone last year. Yeah. 00:46:40 Speaker 5: Used to used to around here. You could go to a convenience store anywhere and you could pick up. 00:46:44 Speaker 2: Three eight ammo. Yeah, I mean it was. 00:46:46 Speaker 5: You could be in the middle of nowhere and there'd be like a little gas station you could still get three O eight am o. 00:46:50 Speaker 2: They'd have like several boxes up there still. 00:46:52 Speaker 1: And when I was a kid, I used to rub a bicycle up to the we had Super Handy was our convenience store, and you could get BB's there. Oh yeah, yeah, And I don't think you need to do that anymore if they'd sell Baby's to a kid, And. 00:47:04 Speaker 2: Okay, crazy it is. You know what I said. When I was a kid, this we're kind of kind of ping pong in here. 00:47:09 Speaker 1: But I graduated up to a Benjamin Air rifle, oh. 00:47:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, and would handle twenty two caliber. 00:47:18 Speaker 1: Yeah that I shot fish with that thing. Yeah, Well, I didn't like having a care out of those pellets when I'd go out, So I'd take five or six of those pellets and put them in my lip, Like it was the same thing. 00:47:31 Speaker 5: Just lead pillots did the same thing, and they don't even occur to you. 00:47:36 Speaker 2: Later you're like, well, what about lead poles. 00:47:38 Speaker 5: I take the box and just turned up and then have all that dust and everything in and I just put it there. 00:47:42 Speaker 3: Are crazy? You are the same person now. 00:47:48 Speaker 5: We have. 00:47:50 Speaker 2: That's what that twitch is about. 00:47:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, yeah, Scott. 00:47:54 Speaker 2: Deuteronomy. 00:47:56 Speaker 1: Oh, let's hear fifteen seventeen. You know the song I was singing is based on this. On this verse, then take an owl and push it through his ear lobe into the door, and he will become your servant for life. Do the same for your female servant. And so the book of Deuteronomy is one of the books of the law. It's one of the books of Moses, and so that has a very specific meaning to a very specific culture. But all scripture is God breathe, and that is what we believe, and so and it's beneficial for teaching. I believe it's what the verse says, right, not that verse, but a different verse Anyways, you know that verse, what verse that it is? 00:48:32 Speaker 2: Offenieve it? 00:48:37 Speaker 1: I thought, which would make sense because he's explaining that to Timothy. But anyways, one of the things I notice about you and your family, your ministry, y'all are some of the most servant, harder people have ever met. And I don't I'm not just saying that because we're on a podcast with you. It's it's evident, and I'm thankful for it. I'm thankful for the example you say with that, and I appreciate it. But what does that what does that really look like to be a good servant? You know, everyone listening to this podcast, I hopefully find the Lord if they don't know him. But there's also just a practical applications. It's good for teaching, right, So being servant hearted is something that is beneficial, is good for man to be. So what's it looked like to be a good servant? 00:49:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think one of the I think for me, one of the biggest things, and this is something I reflect back on a lot, is I think you have to see people's faces. I think one of the things that can happen to us when we go through life is that we see number of statistics. We see circumstances. We may even see skin color, we may see political affinity, we may see whatever. But I think the one thing that Jesus did is he saw her face. And I think that's what we're supposed to do. And when you see someone's face, that means you care about them as a valuable person. They have value. They don't have to agree with everything. And it's okay, you know, but I think you have to see people's faces. I think if you go through life that way, and whether you're sitting in a restaurant and you see a single mom over there just trying to corrall our kids in and she's just trying to get something to eat, she's trying to figure out how to make ends meet. You need to see her face. You need to see her kid's face. You need to see You're driving down the road and there's this little boy riding a bicycle and he's just, you know, minding his own business. But you don't know what he went through last night. You don't know what he's going through in his life. You don't know what's just happened. Maybe his parents just got a divorce, or or maybe he's you know, lost somebody he cares about or whatever. You see their faces and care about people that are around you, and whether someone's driving a BMW or riding a bicycle, see their face, you know. And I think that if you value people, I think the way God values people, serving is easy. You know, it's really easy. Is you have this heart, God will develop this heart in you. The Bible says that the love of God is shed a broad through the hearts of those who know Him. And so I think there's this piece of us that if I will let God help me see the world, the world that He's so loved that he was willing to give his own son for. If I let him, let him show me that world and I will be willing to see it with the eyes that He has, then serving's easy. You know, it's a joy, because I mean, there's this amazing value, an amazing compassion and love that God has for everybody. If I have that, then it's not labor to serve. It's a cool thing we get to do. 00:51:32 Speaker 1: You know, how does somebody overcome I'm just gonna call it cowardice because it's hard to say. And that's what I struggle with, Like you say, for instance, the single mom with the kids. Sure, a lot of times in a situation like that, I would make the excuses I don't want to embarrass her and I don't know how she wants to be helped. 00:51:49 Speaker 2: Sure, how do you overcome that? And what do you do? 00:51:52 Speaker 5: I think the main thing you do is discernment. Not every person needs for you to help them. You can notice somebody without you necessary rarely trying to bring about an intervention in their life. I think when you have a discernment, you'll sense the green light that God gives you there and there's a moment. Now that doesn't mean that you don't need courage to take advantage of that green line, because there's plenty of times you're like, and I've had this happen to me where guy's like, hey, you know, I want you to go talk to this part. I want you to do this, and it's like, oh, that's awkward. 00:52:17 Speaker 2: I don't want to do that. And we'll talk about me and I'll talk about. 00:52:20 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do that. 00:52:21 Speaker 2: Guy's like, no, talk to them. I'm like, no, they don't know me. You know, they don't know me, and I don't know them. They're gonna they're gonna be offended. 00:52:32 Speaker 5: And or this is silly, why would they even And every time I haven't done it, the regret is way worse than if I just pulled the tricker and went and And I've learned about God. He's not when he tells you something, he's not negotiating. It's not a suggestion. You just you're either gonna do it or you're gonna regret not doing it. So but I just think you just buckled down and do it. The other thing is, it's like eating potato chips. You know, once you start really giving yourself the release to care about other people and be willing to project yourself into what they've got going on, it's interesting how God takes care of you. 00:53:04 Speaker 2: You know. 00:53:04 Speaker 5: Jesus said, come to me all you either labor and heavy laden, I'll give you rest. Take upon you. Jesus saying, hey, let's just make a trade. Here's a trade. You be concerned about what I'm concerned about, and I'll deal with your concerns. And what I found is if I'll be concerned about what other people are concerned about and work on the concerns that that they have and that God has for them. Then I don't really have to worry about my concerns because God tends to them, and I'd much rather have him contending with my stuff than me continuing with my stuff. So you know, that's that's my approach, you know, And I'll just let God take care of that other piece. 00:53:35 Speaker 2: But I'm gonna I got a chance to. 00:53:37 Speaker 5: Do something over here, and you only have one life to do that in, so you better take advantage of it, you know. 00:53:43 Speaker 3: So you know, I feel like that kind of answer your piggyback off of that answer your question that this is and this is not an accusation by any means, but like we have to believe what we what we're saying. You know what I mean, because I was when you when you. 00:54:02 Speaker 2: Started talking about you're selling. 00:54:04 Speaker 3: I mean, for sure you know what I mean. And and uh in Romans, you know, uh here. I love Roman It's a great book and it says for I'm not In the first chapter it says, for I'm not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God to salvation. Uh for salves for salvation to everyone who believes. In other words, we have to believe that God has power and that there's that the Gospel is salvation, and if we believe those things, it makes us a lot more willing to go up and talk to that person or to get out of our out of our comfort zone and say, if this I may be the way that God saves this person person's soul, know what I mean? And so am I gonna am I gonna say no? You know what I mean? And we say no a lot, and sometimes it's almost weird because you'll you'll just kind of ignore the it's it's what you're talking about. Earlier with the self defense guys, was saying, if you feel you know, if you're in a spot and you feel like there's something, don't ignore that. It's the same way. It's like if you're in if you're in a spot and you feel something, don't ignore that because that is that's the Holy Spirit movement. Man, you know what I mean. 00:55:11 Speaker 5: So that's so true, and you're not the Enemy's not going to influence or encourage you to care for somebody else, you know what I'm saying. So you know where that's coming for sure. I mean, that's not coming from some other foolishness, you know. So I think that's really good. I think you're absolutely right. 00:55:24 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:55:25 Speaker 1: Second, Corinthians six fourteen speaks about being unevenly yoked, and a lot of times that applies to marriage. But that's not what all relationships are. 00:55:35 Speaker 3: Right. 00:55:36 Speaker 2: So you you have a big, loving, great family. 00:55:41 Speaker 1: Haven't met them all, but I can just tell, and especially from the ones that I know, A couple of questions. 00:55:48 Speaker 2: Answer them? How you want? 00:55:49 Speaker 1: How'd your kids meet their spouses? And then how should someone go about looking for a spouse? Well, should someone go about looking for a spouse? 00:55:57 Speaker 2: I always I've. 00:55:58 Speaker 5: Always said this about a spouse, about you looking for somebody? You know, First of all, you need to establish what am I actually here for? You know, So if I don't know what my purpose is and I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing here, then I don't need to be looking for a spouse yet because I've got confusion in me. But but you need to know what God's asking you to do. You know, three most important questions that you're every human being able to answer with their life is Who's God? What does God want? And what am I going to do about it? Those three questions are critical. 00:56:27 Speaker 2: You know, who is He? 00:56:28 Speaker 5: What does he want from me, and then what am I going to do about what he wants? And when you answer those questions, I tell young people constantly run hard after God and then look around and see who's keeping up. You know, if you stop pursuing God to find your spouse, you're going to have this awkward thing later because then you're going to want to go back and go, man, we're trying there like, wait a second, that's not who I'm marry. You weren't all sold out to that, and now all of a sudden, you're what. 00:56:51 Speaker 2: Are you trying to do? 00:56:52 Speaker 3: Make me? 00:56:52 Speaker 5: You know, run hard after God, look around, and when you see somebody that's keeping up, you go hey, you know, And that's that's how it works. My kids, of every one of them, have found their spouses in that way. They were chasing art after God and it was somebody that God brought there. I don't think that you should pursue your spouse and believe it really depends on you. 00:57:14 Speaker 2: You know, good point. 00:57:16 Speaker 5: Too many times when you look at in scripture, the father would find the spouse for the kid, and God's going to work that out. You don't have to panic, you don't have to be concerned the story of Abraham finding a bride for Isaac. 00:57:31 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, Yep. 00:57:32 Speaker 5: The dad, the dad looked for for the bride for the son and. 00:57:36 Speaker 2: The is that the story right? 00:57:38 Speaker 1: And then when it's called the a whatever, Abraham takes Isaac to the mountain and sacrifices him. One of the thing I love the fingerprints of the Holy Spirit and scripture. One of the ones this is I didn't come up with this, right, I learned this from someone. 00:57:50 Speaker 2: That's super cool. 00:57:51 Speaker 1: You don't hear of Isaac until his bride is found. God or Abraham sacrifices Isaac as a type of crime, somewhat like you know, you know, it is a precursor to the greatest story of Christ being sacrificed for his bride, for his bride. 00:58:09 Speaker 2: Good. 00:58:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then God brings the church, Abraham brings to the bride, and then Isaac is united with her. 00:58:15 Speaker 2: Very that's really good. Yeah, you're right. 00:58:17 Speaker 5: Then there's so many echo pictures throughout scripture. I mean, I love when when Jesus was talking to the disciples on the road to a mass he said, he said, he took them through the scriptures and he showed how they all spoke. 00:58:27 Speaker 2: Of him, those guys you know, all spoke him. Yeah, to think about it, you know, Yeah, and then finding from cover to cover speaks abou him. Yeah. 00:58:33 Speaker 5: Sure, but yeah, I think the big thing with kids too, is that I don't believe in margin with your kids. Bring your kids in what you're doing, bringing with you, take them, get get them in there. You know, my kids we don't have like church. And then one of the things I was always worried about being a pastor is having preachers kids. 00:58:48 Speaker 2: You know, preacher's. 00:58:49 Speaker 5: Kids actually tell them they're just bad becas they run aroun the deacons kids. 00:58:52 Speaker 2: But you know, I wasn't really preaching. 00:58:55 Speaker 5: But in reality, what we do, what we do is we just this is who we are, you know. And I'm not on Sunday. I'm not different than when I'm in my house. I don't have a You're not gonna meet me on All nine at Pigley Wiggly and may be weird you know there, and then over here. 00:59:09 Speaker 2: I'm love spreaking to the boys. 00:59:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's in Uh, that's what I was talking to Stacy about the tonight. When you know, I guess right for dinner all y'all went in the living room, was talking to Stacy for a little bit. She asked me about Kayley, and we're talking about our kids and the same thing that I want for them. And I've told Casey this recently too, is like what I want is for cause you know, Dad can be kind of the crazy guy, right like, oh, it's just Dad saying this. You know, I don't. I don't wash the dishes when Dad tells me to. I also, you know, don't really believe what Dad's saying sometimes and and really truly, deep down they probably do. But you know, when you have you know, even in scripture, like multiple witnesses, right three, the three witnesses attend to the truth of something right even too sometimes, So I tell my I've been telling people lately, and Stacy was one of them the other night where there's U there's this thing where I want my kids to like go hang out at somebody else's house and for that person to also say the same things that I'm saying. It's good and and so not even it's not even just a matter of like are my kids hanging out with good people? It's about are my kids hanging out with bold people? Sure that will say things that and they'll pour into them people that actually think that their salvation matters too, you know, so. 01:00:22 Speaker 2: You know. 01:00:22 Speaker 3: And and when my when my kid goes and does quarterback lessons, I asked, it's a there's a high school kid that works with them, have asked him to pray with them afterwards. Because I want it to be like, uh, I can show you all this, and it'd be hard to kind of communicate over air, but I have four fingers here that I'm holding up on my right hand and four on my left hand. The forum of right are basically you know, what you would do spiritually. So it might be church, it might be you know, uh, memorizing scriptures, different things that you do, talking to people about spiritual deep conversations. The form I left it's sports, it's school and uh, social life and whatever else. Well, I want them to be like this where you put you know, index fingers beside each other, middle fingers beside each other, ring fingers. I mean they interlock, right, and that's your day. That's your day, right INTG digitation is your day, you know, it's I want it to be like in and out. I don't want it to ever be like, well, you know, one day is the left hand, and then there's another day it's the left hand, and then there's the day it's the right hand, and then it's left hand, left hand, left hand again, you know what I mean. I want it to be like, yeah, that's that's where you can get into like, oh, well, I showed up on Sunday and did my due diligence for the week, and now we're good to go. You know, it's good to be there on Sunday because you you set your you set your mind, and you set your heart ready for the week, right, and you get to be with people you can lean on in that kind of thing. But at the end of the day, I want I want my days to to almost look indistinguishable as far as like your day to day like world stuff and your spiritual stuff. 01:01:52 Speaker 1: You So, since you bring that up, one of the things that I used to say, I'm not sure I believe it one hundred percent now, but I think there's a valid point to it. Is that God cares as much or more about what you're doing the other six days and twenty three hours of your week than he does. You know, what you're in that one hour on Sunday mornings. He also cares about that a whole lot. I don't want to, you know, take away from that. But another thing is there's a big push within the thing that we care about the outdoors. I see a lot from younger generations especially, And I'm not trying to dog and be a boomer here because I'm still kind of in the ower generation. 01:02:27 Speaker 2: But there's this thing of like, you know, well, y'all tell me I need to go church, but out here is. 01:02:32 Speaker 1: Where I see God, right, Yeah, And that's I know what they're saying. That doesn't replace a family that you have in a home congregation. 01:02:43 Speaker 2: It cannot. 01:02:44 Speaker 1: It does not, right, And one of the things, and we'll kind of wrap with this a little bit, scottould like to hear your thoughts on it, because it is kind of a spiritual experience being out in God's creation. 01:02:55 Speaker 2: We talket about the dominion parts we see him and everything. 01:02:58 Speaker 1: We went to Florida and caught some of the crazy just looking fish that people don't even keep. 01:03:02 Speaker 2: They just throw them back in the water. 01:03:03 Speaker 1: Sure, you know, Like, and he has these red and yellows and greens down here at the bottom of the ocean. So that we can go find them on these days. He delights in it, right, So God is very much in creation. How do you first off, what is worship? And how do you keep from worshiping the creation and instead focus on the creator? 01:03:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that you know something you mentioned you read from Romans chapter one and Romans chapter one. You know, Paul lets us know that the creation testifies that we have a creator, and so there's knowledge of God, right, and you can see that for everyone, for everyone, Yes, I mean you can look around and you can see the order of the universe. You can see how the Earth spins upon its axis gravity. You can see that water if water, If water froze from the bottom up instead of the top down, the planet's uninhabitable. You know what I'm saying. Everything dies, but it doesn't. And it's the only liquid that when it becomes a solid, it's lighter as a solid than it was as a liquid. So those elements are so important to life being sustained. Here you can see that God exists. We're not accidental. Think about look at look at the complexity of systems, the complexity of creation. You can't deny that that something made this happen. For this to be a cosmic accident, would would take a faith that I don't even understand it. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, now, But here's the issue. That's not saving knowledge though that's God knowledge. There's a difference the Bible distinguishes between saving knowledge and God knowledge. You can know that there is a creator, a God, or that there's a knowledge and intellect or something that made this happen, a first mover, as though quote Aristotles. But again I question, I questioned the aristotl quotes. You know what I'm saying because there's not enough content. But anyway, but there's a there's a first mover, but that's not saving knowledge. And so you know, of all the things that God wants, he wants us to know him. That's the most important thing. He wants us to know him. Where God has known, there's salvation, there's purpose, there's there's a plan, and so you can know of God in creation, but that's not the full of who he is. You know, you can know God in his law. You can see he's perfect, he's without spot or blemish. 01:05:06 Speaker 2: You know he's holy, he's justified. 01:05:08 Speaker 5: But it's not until you know Jesus that you know that God is actually accepting forgiving loving. So when you go back to the story in the garden and you see this fall that happens, and you see where Mankin, you know, loses it, and you go, man, what a was that an oversight of God? Why did you put that tree there in the first place? You know, I used to ask it all the time. I'm like, why was the tree there? If there was a tree there that we could screw it up, why didn't you put it out on an island and say, look, it's out on this island. 01:05:29 Speaker 2: There's man eaten sharks between you and it. You swim out there. This is gonna be a short story because you're the only man and this will be over with. 01:05:35 Speaker 5: But he didn't He put it right there well, because even in our sin, God revealed something about himself that we couldn't have known from the law, we couldn't have known from the creation. And what he revealed was I will love you anyway. I'm gonna love you with your spots and buttishes. 01:05:49 Speaker 2: That's right. 01:05:50 Speaker 5: I'm gonna love you even though you messed it up. I'm gonna love you because even though you've had these thoughts, even though you have this history even though you had that divorce, even though you went through that thing, I will still will love you, And you would not know the real revelation of God without our failure being present and his willingness to sacrifice and save us. And so in that, you know, that is where we understand who he is. I can see God in creation. 01:06:15 Speaker 2: There's no doubt about it. 01:06:17 Speaker 5: And there's moments where you walk into a close canopy of a of a hardwood force it's like close to virgin and you're like, this is incredible, you know, But that's not the same as knowing that God loves me. 01:06:31 Speaker 2: You know. 01:06:32 Speaker 5: I can you know the commandments came on cold stone tablets, and I can know something about God from them. But a stone tablet can't embrace me. It can't care for me, and it can't carry me. I can love a cypress tree and say, man, is that not incredible? Look at they eight hundred years old. That's amazing. But I can't know that cypress tree can't embrace me. 01:06:50 Speaker 1: The law convicts, creation convicts, yeah, but Jesus say yeah. 01:06:53 Speaker 3: And he just just i'actly one yeah. And that's that's because because the well Jesus said, I came here not to condemn, but to save. That's right. So that's the whole point is before Jesus, Without Jesus, you're condemned, you know. And and and with him, then he is, he is our salvation. 01:07:13 Speaker 2: The beautiful thing is he is from the beginning. 01:07:16 Speaker 3: From in the beginning was with God. 01:07:19 Speaker 1: It's not like, oh, man messed it up, and God's like, let me figure out how to make That's exactly new from the beginning, no surprise. 01:07:26 Speaker 3: In fact, Jesus uh is part of creation. He's a part of creation. He is he is the creator. So that's exactly right. He wasn't like, No, God created Jesus for salvation. 01:07:38 Speaker 4: He is. 01:07:39 Speaker 2: He is there. 01:07:40 Speaker 3: He is there in the beginning, before there was anything, there was the Word of God. And the word is capital W Jesus, little. 01:07:49 Speaker 1: Brother, it's been awesome. We don't do this real often. Why don't you dismiss the podcast in prayer? 01:07:56 Speaker 2: Can you do that? 01:07:57 Speaker 5: I'd love to absolutely absolutely, Lord. We just thank you for this day that you've given us. 01:08:02 Speaker 2: Lord. 01:08:02 Speaker 5: I thank you for relationships that we get to have. Lord, I have truly truly enjoyed the time that I've gotten to spend with these guys, and I thank you for what they do. I thank you for I thank you for their passion. I thank you for their integrity. I thank you for their just relatability. 01:08:17 Speaker 2: God. 01:08:18 Speaker 5: And Lord, we need that, we need regular people who just love You, and we thank you for that. 01:08:22 Speaker 2: Lord. 01:08:22 Speaker 5: I pray you continue to bless this work. And for those who are listening, God, I pray for. 01:08:26 Speaker 2: Them as well. Lord. 01:08:27 Speaker 5: I know that a lot of people are going through a lot of things God, but I pray Lord that they might know even today that God, you love them, and God you have a plan for their life, and that no matter what they're going through, God, you have an answer and you are the answer. I pray that they'll understand that and know that in You, Lord, we celebrate your presence in our life. But more than anything else, God, we thank you for loving us like you have and giving your son for us. God, we have a hope in the future because of that, and we're thankful. 01:08:50 Speaker 2: Lord. We offer this prayer and we give you thanks for all things. God. It's in Jesus name we pray. Amen. Amen,

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