00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey and I'm Tyler, and you're listening to the Element podcast podcast podcast. What is happening in everybody? What is? 00:00:17 Speaker 2: This? Is the Element Podcast, brought to you by First Like Gear and guess what it's actually time to wear first Like Gear. 00:00:22 Speaker 1: We are hunting right now for antelope, and I. 00:00:26 Speaker 2: Will say that the trace is everything they say it is. It is pretty good for some hot weather. Now it's got its drawbacks, just like everything else. Spotting a stalking crawl around on the ground hurts your knees. 00:00:40 Speaker 1: But we'll get into all that stuff for in a little bit. 00:00:42 Speaker 2: Right now, we're anelope hunting and it's a lot of fun right now. Actually we're not alope when we're podcasting. We're having a discussion before this about like how much we should let the audience in on the behind the scenes. We're gonna let y'all in on the fact that when we podcast, we don't just talk. We actually have a slight plan, at least to the effect of we set up some GoPros and some podcast equipment. There really isn't that much of a plan. We don't orchestrate our conversations too awful much. 00:01:12 Speaker 1: Maybe we should more if you're watching on YouTube, you can go to our story at some point and see this. In the next few days, I'm going to show what the room looks like. 00:01:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we were commenting before or when we showed up. How airbnbs have I think the word would be ambiguous. 00:01:32 Speaker 1: Have it's ambiguous decor so it appeals to. 00:01:36 Speaker 2: Everyone, but it doesn't really speak to anyone universally liked. 00:01:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, accepted a. 00:01:45 Speaker 2: Clock with Roman numerals. It is not very offensive to most people. Rights Greg says he's been to this paint this picture back here on Lake Tahoe, which I would have guessed that was like, I don't know where by the the water, Yeah, mountains, Yeah exactly. I was thinking like my konos or something yours, yeah, or Mikonos or however they said. 00:02:10 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:02:11 Speaker 2: But anyways, there's some things that don't work in this facility, which is kind of funny, like the living room light and sometimes the air conditioner. But it's nice either way. Yeah, we're staying at Airbnb out here Anlo punting in New Mexico, and it's going okay. I think we're about halfway through a trip, kind of taking a break, letting the animals rest and letting us rest. I slept to a really nice about five fifty eight this morning, which is about an hour and a half more than I usually do on this trip. That's one of the weird things that we've encountered throughout our hunting lives. It seems as we start kind of traveling. You know, we're from Texas, and in Texas you have an October one opener most of the time. Actually, no, it's whatever the early October opener is. So like this year, I think it's September twenty nine or something. 00:03:05 Speaker 1: Time, it'll be in September. But most of the time they try to do first couple of days of October, but. 00:03:10 Speaker 2: It's later in the year to where like you're you don't have to get up super earlier, stay up super late. And you know, a lot of times when you're hunting close to home, you are close to home and you don't have to like go home and make food and do all this stuff, and it just works out better, whereas when you travel early in the season. This is the earliest I've ever hunted anything outside of pigs at home. We're getting up super early in staying up really late because that's how much daylight there is. And thankfully with antelope, it's there's like this certain level of things just happen a little earlier in the day, whereas like deer hunting, like especially early season, you're waiting until for the last few minutes of daylight because they don't move, but anelob we're moving all day. So like yesterday, for instance, we kind of wrapped it up like I don't know, thirty forty five minutes before dark, just because that's. 00:04:00 Speaker 1: How it went. 00:04:01 Speaker 2: And if you didn't have an antelope to set up on at that point in time, it was. 00:04:04 Speaker 1: No big deal. 00:04:05 Speaker 2: But I guess all that to say the rest is well appreciated from today because this is tiring. 00:04:12 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say it's a grind. 00:04:13 Speaker 2: Because whatever, but you get pretty tired of doing this because also, unlike early season white Tail, there's like no nap time. There's no time of the day we were like, oh, this is a great time to chill. In fact, how many times have you stalked stuff while we were sitting there eating lunch? 00:04:36 Speaker 1: I mean more than I wanted to, you know, I was trying to trying to make trying to make the right moves for sure. Show the audience that knee. Oh they can't see it, man, which one is that left one? You left knee? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I stalked. I did a lot of crawling on this trip. But the first day I was crawling. I guess this is the first time. It was the second day I was crawling after this group, and I didn't really want to, but I was forced into it. And I have I have something tore when we did the heel A trip together several years ago, and it's been okay since then. But all that crawling, for whatever reason, I think it just tore up some cartlage on my knee because it pops all the time now and uh, it's real swollen and just sensitive. But yeah, it's been Uh it's been long days that the antelope are really diurnal, which means that they pretty much don't move at night and don't do a whole lot. It seems like. 00:05:39 Speaker 2: I'm interested in that. I would like to get a thermal out and just check that. I guarantee they're just standing there. They just eat and then they'll sit back down. Well I believe it. But at the same time, Greg and I have been over hunting a spot for like three mornings straight over hunting, and I think we can we can kill something there this morning. But when you say spot out here, forst of all, we're talking about like two thousand acres, that's like a spot, you know, like it's it's it's a big area, and so like it's not like you're hunting like one little drainage that the deer moved through, you know, it's ana little. They just go anywhere they want to, which makes it way harder. 00:06:14 Speaker 1: But they do it quicker. 00:06:16 Speaker 2: Bent over there and watched the same buck do the same thing two mornings in a row and bucks do the same thing. So it's like, how are they getting back except to that they have to move at not or maybe they're doing a big circle, like they might not be linear, you know, they might be doing big circles or something thing they are sure because it's I don't understand how we only see them move one direction. But if they don't move it not, how do they getting back to that other. 00:06:44 Speaker 1: Place I should have I mean the way that I've seen it is they just end up close. They end up I mean maybe a loop deal, but they ended up quick close to where they do their thing the next morning. Usually, I mean I should have killed yesterday morning on a group that the night before we had I had a bucket fifty nine, and I could not. I won't even tell a story because there's a bunch of stories if I was to start telling these, but like essentially didn't get it. Didn't even draw at fifty nine, and they moved off and hung out for a long time before dark before they kind of mosied off and kind of it was getting real dark. So at the end of the night they were in that area. So the next morning, I basically caught them coming back the other direction that next morning, and I actually have shot yesterday morning. I guessed at fifty five I had ranged these three bucks, came through this little draw really quick. They were feeding for forever at ninety yards and then all of a sudden they go through this little depression and come back up to the side quick and by the time I could range them around this little tree, they were like I ranged one at fifty five, which was the closest one, and he he was broadside. I draw back finally, and he like looks over at me, but almost didn't even quit walking and then starts up again going and so I didn't get I didn't get a shot on him. Well he gets like over this little hill in the grass and stuff. And then the other one is it's probably sixty, you know, but at the time I'm still thinking fifty five. Shoot low. So I use my fifty yard pin, which I had was my middle pin in this situation. I put it low, I shoot, and I was shocked it didn't hit. But the only thing I can think is it went low because I was shooting maybe sixty with a fifty yard pin, shooting it low. But the reason I'm shooting low is because of what. 00:08:40 Speaker 2: So let's let's let's get into this little bit. It's one of the things that I you know, I have a couple of notes in my head, but I forget him when we start talking about. One of the things I want us to discuss is how much different archery antelope is than any other archery stuff we do. It is, y'all are what we call in our little group of captive audience. If you're listening to the Element podcast, there's a good chance you know who we are. If it's your first time listening. We do things pretty candid around here. Well, let y'all know, really what's going on all that to say, there's a lot of shooting and missing when it comes to antelope. 00:09:22 Speaker 1: For a lot of reasons. 00:09:23 Speaker 2: You absolutely cannot be a twenty in the end type guy and hunt antelope with a bow. You just it will never happen. Maybe if you set up on water, but I still don't think. I mean, if you have a body that still was set up on water and still mad, like eighty. 00:09:40 Speaker 3: Yards from a blind and yeah, yeah, that's what he had to do because he was failing getting close, so he sat in a blind and still is eighty yards. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, And honestly, that's not a bad setup if you've practiced at it, because a calm animal is pretty nice to shoot at when you're spotting in stalking antelope. You I mean, I'm gonna say differently, I have not got to shoot at a calm one yet, I've got to shoot at some that were you know, well, I can say calm that not at rest. I'm not gonna shoot at an antelope that didn't know I was there, and antelope that know you were there are it's a bad. 00:10:18 Speaker 1: Deal, you know. 00:10:19 Speaker 2: And so Tyler is referring to aiming low because I shot in an antelope yesterday morning, I believe, maybe two mornings ago. 00:10:29 Speaker 1: I don't really remember. It all runs together because they all look like. 00:10:34 Speaker 2: The same animal. People be talking about scorn animal. They're the same every single world. 00:10:38 Speaker 1: It's a clone. Okay, Well when ten inches difference is like, yeah, you know, I mean, I guess what it's like. Fifteen inches is a difference in Pope and Young and Boone and Crockett is it. 00:10:51 Speaker 2: Was it sixty nine for Popen youngin it's. 00:10:53 Speaker 1: Sixty sixty seven and Poping I think Popen Young's sixty two and Boone is seventy eight. 00:10:59 Speaker 2: Maybe a fill on that, Jamie, So thank you sir. The I guess what you're getting at is like the difference in white tail pop and Young and Boone is like sixty or what is it fifty fifty forty inches. 00:11:22 Speaker 1: So a lot, whereas these things it's not much. 00:11:26 Speaker 2: So they're just hard to score on the hoof and they just look like the same thing. 00:11:31 Speaker 1: There's little ones and then there's big ones. 00:11:34 Speaker 2: But I think I was trying to say that I was stalking one the other morning and had a shot at seventy three that I felt absolutely money on. 00:11:43 Speaker 1: He was got up on his own accord. 00:11:46 Speaker 2: I drew my bow as he was getting up, so he saw me on my knees and I took my time, leveled my bubble. Everything was primo, and I released my shot and the animal ducked at least twelve inches maybe more, and I shaved hair off of the nape of this buck. 00:12:09 Speaker 1: The footage is awesome. 00:12:11 Speaker 2: Of that, and that's when we saw that these things are some string jumping fools. And I think too at distance like that with the animals that have such good eyesights, they're seeing your bow go off and they're hearing the arrow whenever it's within twenty yards of them. 00:12:24 Speaker 1: So all of that like makes. 00:12:26 Speaker 2: Them have they have really they're really twitchy, right, they have good reaction times. I think, Tyler, you were on a group a couple of nights ago and then one of them just twitched out for no reason and ran off right like it was like. 00:12:35 Speaker 1: The big one. And they're just getting weird. They're so weird, man. Yeah, So you have to aim very low on these animals. 00:12:44 Speaker 2: But the problem when you start aiming low is that all of a sudden you'll have one that might not react the same way, you know, And like the one that you just talked about shooting and missing, he ducked a little bit. It looked like, but it wasn't like an astounding amount, you know. So if you're aiming low, like he's going to come out of his skin, and he just kind of flinches a little bit, and that's a miss, you know. So you what'd you find out about the inches? 00:13:06 Speaker 1: Pope is sixty seven and Bandon Crockett is eighty two. 00:13:10 Speaker 2: So and there's like eighty one gets you in the book for a year and then they take you eighty. 00:13:14 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's weird, I call it. And weird. I wouldn't yeah, I wouldn't. I feel like that. 00:13:25 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:13:25 Speaker 1: It's kind of like with the share Lunker program where they're like all of a sudden they're giving awards for seven seven pounders or whatever. It's like, can we not just do we have to give a ribbon to everybody. 00:13:37 Speaker 2: The reason that they're doing it on the Antelope is that the book gets full, so they started taking some out because it was because they were getting too many of that number or something. 00:13:46 Speaker 1: You can't just print extra page or you can ask them. But so all that to say, they all look a lot like. 00:13:55 Speaker 2: I have a particular arrow set up on my bow that I like. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: I have two bows. 00:14:03 Speaker 2: I have a light arrow bow and a heavy arrowbow, and I cannot shoot my light arrowbow as good as I can at my heavy. 00:14:09 Speaker 1: Arrowbow, so I brought it. 00:14:11 Speaker 2: I'm shooting five hundred and thirty five grains out of a fast bow. 00:14:17 Speaker 1: I don't remember what it's flying, but it's like to sixty two or something like that. I think that's pretty late, right, Two sixty two is the weight on your broadhead, and it's a single blevel. Oh yeah, that's right. Just making sure you get to pass through on this problem. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: So and you are shooting a little bit different set up, Yeah, I'm shooting. 00:14:35 Speaker 1: Four point thirty is what I'm shooting with one hundred grain tip. 00:14:39 Speaker 2: It hasn't produced differently for us yet, however, I will say that I wish I don't know, I shoot this bow better. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: I hit better at distance with this bow. 00:14:54 Speaker 2: But accurate ranges make so much of a difference on these animals. I figured out the other day at fifty yards it's three inches either direction. So if you're at fifty one, you're shooting three inches low. If he's at forty nine, you're shooting three inches high. And these things move around a bunch. It's hard to get a precise range. And at those longer distances, you know, the range makes more of a difference even when you stretch it out there. So it's seventy three, I don't know what it is, but it could it be four or five inches per yard. So I'm really dare I say, regretting not bringing my lighter error set up. And I mean I wasn't shooting it unethically. I still was at fifty yards holding it fairly tigh like pieplate size, you know, which isn't great, but it would kill an antelope, and I think that I might be more lethal. I might have a deb one on the ground at this point in time. 00:15:50 Speaker 1: You know what I like about these animals is the colors. 00:15:53 Speaker 3: I told Tyler there day that white spot on their belly is like a good like keep. 00:15:57 Speaker 1: Your pain in that area. They're good looking credit, Yeah they are, dude, they got so many throat patches. Man ailment crew, I don't even know how we figure out how to aim Hunter Dickens couldn't handle it. Uh, there's a there's an infamous Illinois bug truck episode that everybody loves to raid you. 00:16:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I'm one and done on that. 00:16:19 Speaker 1: I think hopefully, Hey, let's do it, want and done. Yeah, let's do it that way. 00:16:23 Speaker 2: Man, if I can shoot an antelope accidentally. 00:16:30 Speaker 1: Right now, I would do it. I don't want them to go down bad. 00:16:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we're going to have some success. We we've we've put together some thoughts. It took us a while to learn this. We've had some We got a buddy out here who's kind of been helping us out with this stuff. He's hunted this place quite a bit, and uh, he's got some thoughts about things, but he's never bow hunted them. 00:16:55 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:16:55 Speaker 2: And so I think that's just a little bit different between the rifle hunting the bow. In fact, if you want a fun hunt, go riffle hunt anlope, because you will kill one without a doubt thing. 00:17:11 Speaker 1: Dude, if as long as your property has them on it. What if you're a crossbow hunter but you're using a rifle, he's still going to kill yeah, probably. 00:17:20 Speaker 2: I mean if you shoot a cross bow, you know, how to shoot a rifle. They're about the same thing. 00:17:23 Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I feel like crossbow and a rifle hunter might be a different person. Oh it might be. Is you mean more like in persona No? In uh I'm trying to think of how to say this. Maybe in uh experience level and abilities? 00:17:41 Speaker 2: Do you think that a crossbow hunter has more experience of list experience hunting not. 00:17:45 Speaker 1: There's no generalities here. It's just that it could be. Oh, I like where this is going. 00:17:52 Speaker 2: It could be it's a great place to be, right. Uh. So, yeah, go rifle hunt antelope if you want to have some fun, if you want to really work on your spot and stock skills, go antelope hunting with a bow because you get a lot of practice. 00:18:10 Speaker 1: We talk about practice right here, talking about practice. Yeah. 00:18:13 Speaker 2: So, Tyler, what has changed from what you thought was the tactic to what is the tactic all right now? 00:18:22 Speaker 1: Midway through the hunt? I don't know. I mean I think when I first started, when well, you know, before we ever hunted or whatever, I'd say, I didn't really think there was a tactic. You just thought you'd just tried getting their way, just thought I managed had to open mind. I mean, I just think like there wasn't anything about it that I was like, this is what is going to be the thing. I've never done this before, so I don't I don't make I don't typically make like I don't try to make something work that's not gonna work usually. I mean, so I don't I don't start a hunt in any situation that I'm not somewhat that I'm like just going to be like, Oh, that's the way you do this, because I just want to I want to be adaptable and be able to kill them by the end of the trip. So I would say there's not really been a change. But I think that, uh, probably the spot and stalk stuff is going to be the hardest way to do it, and I think that it is almost impossible if you don't have either cover, like like a lot of cover for this country at least because it's just wild how how little cover there is. And then I think that probably like sitting maybe like water or some of the areas we might have been seeing them kind of pattern at least as goats, not necessarily individually, U would be probably a top way to do it, but also a much more boring slash sunburning type of expedition. So I don't know. It's hard for me because I don't I would love to just stalk them and make it happen, but I think that, especially my knee, that I might end up sitting some stuff the next few days. 00:20:22 Speaker 2: I thought when I came into this, I thought that it was gonna be the decoy thing. I didn't mention either, that sits right in the middle between those two. I think as far as like the most effective way to kill an antelope, I thought the decoy was gonna work better than it does. It's just a very particular situation that it works. Well. 00:20:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, so we'll go into like, well, we're not hunting the rut, so yeah, but. 00:20:46 Speaker 2: They're doing kind of some ready type things and I don't know they might do it because I've pointed one other type of antelope and that's Neil guy and they I think they kind of are always working out the picking an order too. 00:20:55 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's how these guys are or not. But because. 00:21:01 Speaker 2: Because there's they're always going to be encountering each other and there's always gonna be like in the mix, whereas white tail, if they want to go live alone, they can, or if they want to live in a bachelor group, they can. But like there's always does and bucks that they're all just all together all the time, So I don't I haven't lived around them, so be interested to know what they're doing in March kind of uh to just kind of maybe let you know if things amp up or down. But I thought that this was gonna be a like I thought there'd be a little more herbaceous cover, I'll say it that way. I thought there'd be a little bit more trees, not trees, but like boushes and cactus to work in and out of. And really you have terrain and you've got just a tiny bit of that kind of cover. There's a decent amount of tall grass. But when I say tall, it's like knee high. You're you're doing good if you found some knee high pretty. 00:21:58 Speaker 1: Much you can't even hands and knees crawl unless you have elevation. 00:22:02 Speaker 2: With that pretty much my most successful spot and stalks, I think. To add to that, I thought that I was going to be able to make moves on antelope that were on their feet, and that is absolutely not something that you can do outside of the decoy thing that we are going to talk about in a second. If you're trying to just sneak up on one, he has to be betted. I mean, yeah, I know there's always gonna be like, you know, some things outside of that, and that's fine. 00:22:31 Speaker 1: But like in my experience, I can. 00:22:35 Speaker 2: Get within range if they're betted, and if they're not betted, no chance. 00:22:39 Speaker 1: They're gonna see you. They are going to see you. It's they're so good at it. And so it blows my mind a little bit you hear about it, and I just I feel like there's a lot of these cliches that exists, especially in hunting, and people love to talk about them. You know, what was I was thinking about one the other day? Oh what was it? Oh? I was thinking about this, Uh, because we came across a prairie rattler the other day and people talk about that snakes are getting less and less radily and that like you know, they're they're most of them don't even rattling. And you hear like that, I feel like that's just like a wives tale a little bit, you know what I mean. So there's things like that that exist, and pronghorn seeing you is one of those things that I thought was a wives tale kind of thing in it, but it's legit a mile away. If your head comes over over a mile away, do they see it. They and it's not like they spook, but they see you in your toast. If you get, if you get, if your nose comes above the horizon, you're seen, You're seen. It's wow, it's insane. 00:23:44 Speaker 2: And what's interesting about pronghorn is earlier we talked about how they go wherever a pronghorn wants to because they can go under fences and they can climb hills. There's no there's hardly any falling except for like they will kind of feed lazily, so they. 00:24:01 Speaker 1: Will go through saddles and stuff. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: But like if you spook one, he just runs a straight. 00:24:05 Speaker 1: Line whatever that where wants to go. And that's the thing, Like I think one thing that we've we've tried to do at least in past. I don't know if we've done it successfully, but you get close. Is like if somebody's stalking, then you could set another bow hunter in whitetail. Would you could set another bow hunter in the draw and he's probably going to go down in there if it's away from the other hunter that's stalking it. Right with pronghorn, it is like literally they might go there. They're going to go to high ground a lot, which deer almost never you know, will do unless they're going over into the next straw, you know. And so it's like that's that's the part that's like we can't even you can't even bump on each other. I don't even, you know, like there's no And here's the other weird thing about it. 00:24:46 Speaker 2: And since the pronghorn knows he can go wherever he wants to and find whatever resources he needs to, there's if you like a white tail, for instance, like say a dough who's coming in defeat and catches you at eighty yards away, she does the head bob thing and weighs out her risk versus reward to go eat that corn. 00:25:07 Speaker 1: A prong horn is coming your way. 00:25:10 Speaker 2: They see you from seven hundred yards off but barely, and you just get still. 00:25:15 Speaker 1: They're just like, eh, there's no, there's nothing motivating me to go there. I can just go this way. So there's no it's down there for thirty five minutes, look at you, and then they walk the other way. 00:25:25 Speaker 2: I have to be completely oblivious to your existence. Like yesterday, Greg and I we there's like this opportunity for some I'm not gonna call it rod hunting because that would be bad, but like two track very yeah, it's it's it's a road on the property, right, but you can like get on one real close to a road because they don't care about a road. But we drove up this road knowing that there was a group of antelope right on the other side of the hill. So we get out of the truck, sneak it and I'm peeking through the grass and I'm trying to find where they're at, and I like see them through the grass and they're like seventy and there's a doe looking at me and I'm like crap. 00:26:04 Speaker 1: And you know what they did. She didn't know what it was. I got down right away. But they just turned one hundred and eighty degrees and fed the other direction. Yeah that's what they do, you man. 00:26:12 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:26:34 Speaker 1: Now we've got two things I want to visit here. We have this is a short podcast because with time crunch here. But uh, one thing is the decoy thing we talk about real quick, and then I want to I want to get like Eric's perspective on the camera and what that's like trying. 00:26:49 Speaker 2: To let's let's do the camera stuff because I want to. I want to do that, and then pivot into how we're gonna have success. 00:26:54 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, okay, cool, right, So. 00:26:55 Speaker 2: Tell us about filming these because honestly, let me start to give you something a little bit narrower than that. That way, you're not like, oh, which not saying you don't know what you're talking about, but I'm just trying to help you. 00:27:06 Speaker 1: I guess what I'm saying. Guide me as he doesn't know what we're talking about. By the way, because he doesn't know what the word antelope is, he calls it something apes. That's funny. 00:27:23 Speaker 2: So you've watched a lot of these stalks and a lot of the hunts from through the camera lands. From your perspective, what's the thing that we should keep doing. 00:27:38 Speaker 3: Well, that very first day, me, you and Greg went on a stop. You remember remember the three bucks let me think, Yeah, there's been a lot they were betting me. You, Greg and Jared went down Oh yeah yeah yeah when they season So we got a new lens, by the way, so we're playing, you know, with this long lens off in the distance behind the hunter, and that's making for some cool footage this trip. And uh, I mean right after that, I kind of noticed. And you know, I when I give air quote suggestions a lot of the time, it's more asking you guys, like is this a good idea? Because I'm so new. But I mean after that I realized, I mean, those bucks came up to us and they saw just four i mean high heads just sitting out there Indian style. You know, we were yes, and uh, but why did they do that? 00:28:37 Speaker 1: Do you remember because y'all were and richardson one twelve, I don't remember, Uh, Tyler and Michael watching this. And there was a coyote. 00:28:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, And coyotes have caused me trouble in the past twelve months on this trip. There's a few times the coywodes and and other stuff and deer too have caused issues with me. 00:28:57 Speaker 1: But go ahead. 00:28:58 Speaker 3: They come up though, and they I mean they immediately spot us. But Jared he lifts up the decoy and so we have a decoy up. And then also this new lens we have, it's white, and I they like locked onto that for a second. But then when Jared put his decoy up. I mean they locked onto that and just ignored me, you and Greg and they just kept walking closer to us three a little bit. And that was just something. I was like, man, that is weird. And they just slowly locked to it walked towards us while just staring at that. 00:29:27 Speaker 2: I was freaking out because I was like, oh, it's actually happened on the first day, and I was raging. 00:29:32 Speaker 1: It was changing so much. I was like, I'm going to make this work and this is so hard. 00:29:38 Speaker 3: It is and it's like it's sick footage. I mean, this new lens is gonna be awesome for the channel. But uh like after that hunt, I you know, I suggest asked you guys got suggested, but I mean I asked you and Greg He's like, man, is it a thing like because the idea was I was going to be behind you guys a little bit, filming over your shoulder getting there, you know, the onto a little basin frame. But uh, I kind of asked you. I was like, man, would it be better if I was like one hundred yards off with the decoy because when they lock on, they're gonna walk a little bit closer. And I kind of asked you and then you, guys, I think kind of figure that out. 00:30:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it takes some trial and error, I think on there for sure, but that was a great intuitive thing to think about. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: Man. 00:30:21 Speaker 3: And then something I just I've noticed just watching from a distance is like they're very confident in their speed. Like it's as like they know they're one of the fastest. And was on the. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: Plane I've ever seen no cheetah what's his name? 00:30:34 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, little little what's his name? Played for the Chiefs and I can't think of nothing. How he walks around uh huh. 00:30:41 Speaker 2: I mean he's just like its kind of bouncy, you know, he just knows that they ain't nobody as bad as him. 00:30:46 Speaker 3: And I feel like that's just why they stand there, because like, yeah, walk towards me. Fifty's we were driving by some bucks last night and they just kept running by our truck, and I think that's why they were is like, oh, we can outrun this thing. And then they started to realize we can't outrun this thing. 00:31:03 Speaker 1: What's going on? 00:31:03 Speaker 3: And they were just kind of. 00:31:04 Speaker 1: And then they're like, let me get a little faster. Yeah maybe I can't. 00:31:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean, yeah, they're they're quick and they know it and it's tough. 00:31:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, what's your favorite part of filming this stuff? 00:31:18 Speaker 3: I mean from a distance or yeah, just an like from from a production standpoint, What's what's the cool part? 00:31:25 Speaker 2: Man? 00:31:25 Speaker 1: I don't know. 00:31:26 Speaker 3: It's just the whole thing, just their colors, how fast they are. Right now, I'm just having a blast using that long lens because it's a new lens for us. 00:31:35 Speaker 1: Uh, it's real sharp, and. 00:31:36 Speaker 2: I like the because we've been, of course looking at footage because we none of us have hunted these things, so we're like kind of like what we're doing right now because of that, and it's neat with that lens. 00:31:50 Speaker 1: We have so much country that you can see. 00:31:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, so there's a lot of Boca's and you know, so uh and if you don't know what that is, which I hardly do, but pretty much like you have stuff behind the animal that is blurry and the stuff in front that's a blurry and the animals in focus and it just makes for some really pretty footage, whereas like when you hunt these Texas, there's like a focal length of eighteen yards to twenty yards and then everything behind it is just trees and everything in front of it, it's just brush, right, So like it's just a lot more perspective out here. You got a huge mountain in the background. By the way, the atmosphere is super clear. There's no smoker or anything, so in no humidity, right, So like you're looking at a mountain that's five miles seven, eight miles away, and like it looks like you're looking at it through a sharp lens, you know, like there's no haze or anything. 00:32:36 Speaker 1: So it just makes for some pretty stuff. Yep. So with the decoy and the thing that we did, you know first and foremost there that kind of gave us some ideas. We kind of got away from that a little bit. We spot and stalked for a while and you know, failed miserably at a lot of that, and then we ended up yesterday I think it was case you and I are talking about. You called me and you're like, hey, I've got an idea somehow the same day, in the same morning, we both figured out this. We were like, hey, what happened in that first setup is very much like you know, what we should probably be doing. You and Greg did something a little bit different than than we did and actually when you called me so that morning, Eric was we had left him up on the hill because he had the long lens. Michael and I go through this bottom to go after this pronghorn. We jump on that. Noah, none of us had a clue was there. And when he takes off running, we got on our bellies and laid flat where he couldn't see us, and he did like a ninety degree half circle and then literally came to sixty yards like we came to it because he couldn't find us anymore. Right, So the same concept worked for you. And then we had another thing go on after right. 00:33:56 Speaker 2: After I talked to you, So I called you because I was like, we just figured so then out and You're like, yeah, already new that. But we were stalking about it buck and I got to like one hundred from him at a yucca and he like caught the top of my head. 00:34:12 Speaker 1: Or smelled me, maybe because the wind. 00:34:14 Speaker 2: These things we probably should talk about, but like they can smell, but it's nowhere near like a white tail. So I think that it's almost like they don't spook from smell. It just intrigues the curiosity. But if they're already a little spook, and then they smell you they're gone, So the scent is just not as big a concern, but it is a thing to think about. Like, you don't want to try to stalk one of the wind blown right at him. Right, It's probably a bad idea. 00:34:37 Speaker 1: All I had to say. 00:34:37 Speaker 2: The wind kind of swirled a little bit. I think he smelled me. He looked over for no reason, right, and kind of saw the top of my head, and I got down real low. And then Greg gets out a paper towel because we'd already kind of been messing with this a little bit. Paper towels are great because you can cump crumple them and put them in your pocket. Right, But he gets out of this paper towel and holds it up and starts waving it, and sure enough, the antelope marches at me and gets like, I don't know, twelve yards and I'm freaking out because in that moment you can't do anything with your bow. Right, So he finally sees me spooks out to thirty five. I try to get drawn at that and it doesn't. But if I was able to draw while he was running off, he stopped at thirty five and I would have got a shot. 00:35:22 Speaker 1: I would have smoked him, would have been dead. 00:35:25 Speaker 2: My pen was set to forty, so I would have had to do some quick math. 00:35:29 Speaker 3: Waalow, let me ask you this. If you had a Randy Johnson arm, could you have spared him? We were talking about it. 00:35:34 Speaker 1: Has anyone ever spared a prong horn? 00:35:37 Speaker 2: No? 00:35:37 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's I legal, dude. I got some thoughts about how to kill him and potentially illegal ways. I just don't know if illegal. 00:35:43 Speaker 2: But we made a point this morning I thought was pretty interesting. The buffalo was like the animal like symbolic of the prairie, right, and they were extirpated by people. People smoked him, they couldn't handle it. Well, Antelope, we're there too, an antelope are doing fine right now. 00:36:02 Speaker 1: So like there's something about him that make him at bit harder. Book. I wasn't saying I want to do something like I just said. I hadn't looked up the rule book. Yeah, you know, so these are in future years. 00:36:13 Speaker 2: I don't know that you can decoy antelope in the state. I'm just assuming so. 00:36:19 Speaker 1: The locals are telling us we can, So that's it's right. No, but after that happened for y'all, I talked to you on the phone and we literally had just parked the trucks on an antelope that we was by himself, and we saw Uh over the hill. So we parked trucks. We go try to get after him. We had Jared, who you mentioned earlier or maybe you did with us, and he was going to hold a big, old, like full size two dimensional decoy. Right. So I get him like maybe seventy five eighty yards from me. Eric's behind him with the long lens, and then Michael and I are obviously in front and and kind of off the side. Dude, he holds that decoy up. This buck comes marching right at us. Dude. I was like, this ain't there, ain't no way right, And dude, he came dark, wind is blowing right at him, and he walked for two hundred yards, throw in and blowing and stuff the whole time, and kept coming. It was wild, dude, And so he ended up at like sixty I couldn't see him over the right. The thing is, you gotta you can't just full body walk over a hill, so you always have like a little rise, you know. And so he came on the downhill side of it, and all I could see was antlers didn't get a shot. But you know, it gave us some confidence. So I think going forward, we're gonna employ those techniques a little bit. How could kill one? Give me your man? I'd like to say, sit set up somewhere, which I probably will do a little bit of. But I think that either where I missed yesterday at fifty five or sixty year order was, or with that decoy situation in a very particular setup. You don't think you're gonna kill over water. I don't think I will. I don't think they're very predictable in that. I think I might. Let's go, I think I might kill one over water. It's either gonna be over water or it's gonna be underwater. 00:38:05 Speaker 2: I kind of want to be under some water. It's kind of hot. The there's like this pattern like antelope. It seems as if you can't pattern individuals, but you can predict herd style movements, and they tend to want to go up over this like cap rock, kind of rim rock type stuff and be on top at night. So I think that's the other way I'm I'm gonna kill one or you can only kill one. But like those options, that's gonna be. The other method is going to be sitting on the edge up there not getting seen. That's the hard part in that, like they see you up there, but just being in one of those places where they're gonna go up and shoot them. So, Eric, how are we gonna kill one? 00:38:44 Speaker 1: Hopefully like that? Okay, I'm ready to eat some antelo. That's gonna be cool on what you're talking about. What I think I just been. 00:38:56 Speaker 2: I've had a hard time not calling them deer like it's like it's real weird. I know, but bucks and those, you know, I think that's just how the what the thing is. But anyways, guys, that's anealo punting. Hopefully next week we'll have some more success to talk about and we can break down like the thing to do so that if you feel like you want to go analote punting and sweat your tail off and just burn your knees off. 00:39:21 Speaker 1: On the ground, you can learn from us. That's right. 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