00:00:00 Speaker 1: I'm Casey and Tyler and you're listening to you the Element Podcast. What is happening all you would people out there? My goodness, would you like to know anywhere in the window? Man? It is a stormy day here in East Texas. We're under a tornado watch. It's about eighty seven ninety degrees outside. And uh man, spring and sprunk. That's the way it goes down here. And um, this is the Element Podcast, brought to you by First Light Gear. Get all of your turkey hunting essentials over at first live dot com. We, however, are not going to talk turkeys. We did some of that last week with Old Michael. We might have a Michael moment later today because there's always a Michael moment. And then also we're going to talk a lot of white tail stuff. So I know some of you people out there are fending you cannot wait to get out there in velvet, scalt hang cameras in April and all that stuff, right, because whitetail is what we love. And it's true, I love it just as much as the next guy. However, it is probably wise, in my opinion, to meet your excitement and direct it in certain directions. Throughout the year, because you can wear yourself out, you can wear your family out, you can wear your pocketbook out, you can do a lot of things that actually end up inhibiting your ability to kill a deer when it comes fall. Okay, so what we're gonna talk about today of many things, but with our main topic is going to be going through the year as a whitetail deer hunter. And we're gonna go around the room and talk about what you can do in each month that will actually make you a better white tail deer hunter. What you can do related to whitetail deer to maybe improve your dear habitat a number of things, but it's all gonna be about whitetail through the year. Tyler's here as well, and he is wearing a bear greas shirt, which apparently is like I don't know for sure, but I think that's that thing they put outside of the houses in the eighties that caught all the the grease, right, and that's the bear grease trap. And then um, Brian Bostick is over there. He's been having him some breakfast lately and got old rockwall Texas. We're doing that, and I didn't do and now he is here. He didn't want lunch. Apparently breakfast was filling, and uh, we are going to talk about this. And Brian's a little differ than Tyler and I. He doesn't do what Tyler's freaking out right now? Oh well, what's wrong? He said, you were going to talk about this. I don't know how much you want to talk about breakfast, but let me know breakfast, well for breakfast, burrito for lunch. And I told him I wanted waves, Uh call Teriso and I said, also some pop us in there, and they forgot to pop us. So boy, I don't know you know what that is that's starting to day? It was midday? No, yeah, some things that pope rocks. That's yet. Um. So Brian, uh hunts a little different than Tyler than I do. He's killed a lot of deer, Uh, Brian, You've killed quite a few deer with a rifle too, so that's a little bit different perspective. You also killed, uh at least me a lot more private land deer than I have, which is cool, right. Uh. Only the peasants hunt public ground. The real hunters hunt of a ground, which is really nice. I'm looking to do more of that in the future, so you're gonna have some perspective and some other stuff to talk about that it might not come top of mind for me at least, and then Tyler's gonna also Uh see. I wish y'all could have just have the view, you know. Uh. Someone asked recently if we had any interest in videoing our podcast, and there's a reason why. There's just no way. There's no way we can do it. Y'all don't understand what happens that you don't hear. That's right, that's right, man. Yeah, you know it's fun. But when you're listening to a podcast, you're only employing one sense of your body. But recording these podcasts, we use all five senses. That's what I'm saying. There's a lot of stuff going on around here. Yeah, just catch that's it man. You'd see me picking my beard on law. You'd see Brian stroking his mustache, and then I don't really know what Tyler's nervous time. Actually, if Tyler has a nervous habit it's like aggressive knee bouncing has probably Tyler's nervous habit um. It's funny too, if you're riding in the truck. And you ever see Tyler like on a quarter note, Cadence like stomping his foot, that's because he really has to be really bad. So on that note, April has a pean it. So we're gonna start with April. It is the next uh uh. You know, when it comes to the woman's name, April, I think that it's said more that way more often. I say the same way all the time. I probably do too, but I ain't changing. Megan Megan, Megan, Magan, Megan. I knew an m ag o n in college dated Megon. She did not like it you calling her Megon though, yeah, maybe you're in parching. Sure she should have changed when she got into My name is Calem by the way, So April is the most pressing month. In fact, when this podcast release is April, not a lot of people are thinking about White Tell, but maybe you should. And here's why. In April, in my opinion, it is one of the best months to dial into your archery equipment and get started on that because you have time to make adjustments, time to make changes, potentially purchasing new bow if it's something you're interested in doing. Uh me, I'm sticking on the same bowl shot last year. So now I'm just kind of um making tweaks, maybe changing up arrow set up a little bit, maybe not, I don't know, trying some new stuff. But what I really like to be able to do is in the spring, like April time period, get figured out when I'm gonna shoot that year. I don't I really don't like the anxiety it comes along with it being likely or August in making changes on archery. Sent of like, I want to just get that thing where I like it and shoot it all summer long and just make it a part of my body. And you can't do that if you do it too late in the year. So that's why that is my choice for April as what I think a white till hunter can do in the month, Like one of the most valuable things a white till hunter can do that month is dillying your archery equipment. Tyler, what about you, We didn't go through these to make sure we don't have the same ones, but we meant to do that. Yeah, well that's not mine for sure, Okay, So we actually, you know, also live south of Atlanta. We live like pretty far south in the US, so some of our answers might be a little different than other people's, So I'm just gonna do these these are and these are These are what Tyler Jones might do for white till year round, but really what he really wants to do in this time of month as fish. So you know, like but of course, like there's always you don't just have to like you don't just go fishing. There's things you can do for white tail in the month April, and probably I do. It's not your top thing of all that you want to do this month, but as a person who very much enjoys the white tailed animals, right, you're gonna think about it a little bit this month. In the South, I am not much I have not done much of this, but we start to get pretty good rains this time of year March April and even in May a lot of times, but it starts getting real hot in May. Things dry out real quick, and then by the time you get to July things can really get dry. Planting some of your stuff that you would want to plant this to this time of year is a good thing to do. So getting some little food plots in going basically increasing some of the forage around your property or wherever you're gonna hunt, maybe getting some protein and some you know, spreading a few different mixes in the ground and you know, seeing what really pops up for you, and then maybe fine tuning that over the course of the years. But April is a pretty good time to get some things in the ground. You know. It's an interesting thing you bring up. And now I think one of the things we're gonna do is have some dialogue back and forth about these ideas. I tried to grow a fall food plot last year, and it probably I haven't grown a lot of fall food plots, but it probably was one of the worst years you could ever try to do that, because I think from about August until I don't know when November, we might have had an inch rain. I mean it was bad, bad, bad, bad batter so I didn't nothing hardly grew. I had a few weeks that grew up, but it ain't enough to make a difference right later, because the seeds just held over for a while. But what that means is that I had a pretty much fallow, plowed plot behind my house that didn't really grow anything until this past couple of weeks. And now it's four central back there, and the deer walk around out there a lot, eating and messing around. So just I say that to make the point that even sold disturbance. Yeah, you know, maybe you don't have time to plant applaud, or you're unsure of rains, or I don't have the time to invest and know what you're gonna plant. Just go out there and disc a couple rows and see if it doesn't just look a little different and make something different grow. Yep, for sure, that's my deal. What about you, Brian? April is when I like to move my stands and feeders on private land before it gets hot. I like to go usually go turkey hunting, make it kind of a combo trip, and you know the spots that I've wanted to move during deer season, it's I always try to wait till about April to move those and get them ready for next year or so. So standing feeder locations with the idea of moving a feeder that implies that a feeder for you is not a destination food source for deer. You're much more slowing them down. Like why do you want to move a feeder? You know because a lot of people, especially if they come from a state where you don't have feeders, might think of it as like the feed trough for and that's where the deer going eat. So it's like why would you move it because they come to you, right, But why why are you saying about moving feeders a feeder location Like you just said, it is to slow a deer down and order for me to get a shot at it. But I also move them around to target different deer. Um. If I if I locate a buck this year, you know, not on a feed source. You know some of those mature bucks, you'll never see it a food source. But in hopes of me moving a food source, UM, it's either for a better stand location or to target different deer. Gotcha? Gotcha? Oh I like it, Brian, go ahead and tell us your may choice, May choice. It's gonna be may. It's kind of to go with them stand locations. I like to do location management before it gets hot. So um, most of what I hunt, I would say ninety percent is private. UM. And I like to go to these areas and um get stuff ready for the summer rains um and forge control, spraying, UM, putting out feed protein and getting them ready for the for the heat of the summer. What's your favorite day in May? Um? This is a trick question, isn't it my um, my favorite day in May? My sister and my brother married on this date. That's your favorite day? May the fourth? What is because their nerds? Or did it just happened to be with you? Yeah? The fourth? So corny? Revenge of the fifth? You got uh YOA have a sixth sense of year? So Tyler, how about you, sir least Ground? If you're gonna get a dear lease May he's a pretty good time to do it. Some of the turkeys seasons are starting to wrap up and it's time to kind of renew. So I got you. You talked about this to the day. I didn't really realize that it was a thing that May is kind of a turnover month for that, I think so, I think for a lot of people it is. So if you're thinking about doing some least Ground, do you need to have this stuff keyed up before May and like be ready to sign him May? Or is May when you started looking? I think it's just good to ask somebody, Hey, I mean, I just for me, I'm just not I'm not waiting on stuff like that. Usually, but you know, calling people and lett them know. But if you have people that are like, oh I got somebody lease in it right now, May, he's probably a good toime to check back with them. So I mean, it's all just dependent upon the landowner different seasons, who has at least currently or whatever. So, but I mean May is uh is my choice of Uh May, He's not a great month to do deer hunting things. So that's what you're doing. That's I was gonna make a thing, um May for me. I told you all that I did have one like cheesy answer month, and I assume you all kind of afforded the same thing. Um all, serious man, look at you. You're serious guy, You're serious deer hunter. Serious. Um, I'm just a big deer hunter. Uh So, um May is this is an old term? Uh. Podcast two, I believe episode two the only podcast Briar Tuck is that too, I think so? Uh was? What was Branny Points three? I don't know it, it's one. It was one Burning Brandy Points was one of at least heard episodes. I think that, uh, like the first like twenty five or something actually aren't on the internet, so it's interested. I don't know how it happened, but I hope not. It was a lot of slower pace back then. Uh yeah, so, um, build some brownie points is what May is good for if your family, guy, Uh, it's a good time to get some of that vacation stuff done or some projects that your wife or mom or dad or whoever's been asking you to do. You can take vacations and it not be blazing hot at least where we live. Like you may not think about yet, what's that? Um, most people have kids in school in May. It's true, so it's it's a tough time for people to take vacations because everything's wrapping up into school year stuff. So most people are school runs to June now too. Like growing up for us, like I felt like May eighteenth, May twentieth, we were out of school. I don't remember. Yeah, I can remember my granddad's birthdays May twentieth, and I always remember like getting out of school around his birthday. And now like these kids are in school June first, June second a lot of times. Yeah. Um, but nevertheless, um, you can they don't do anything the last six weeks is cool anyways, So pull them out and go or just take a long weekends whatever. But the point being with that choice was that at least if you live where we do, people often think about vacationing in June, July, August, and it is blazing hot and you don't even want to be outside mid midday in those months. So May is a good time to hope you make it to the mountains. Just don't go when I do. Man. So another thing that you can do in May. I just thought about, um, since everybody's so ready to just deer hunting May is you can watch a YouTube series called the buck Truck Babe. So if you're if you're really wanting to just learn some things about deer hunting via mining Casey's mistakes, you can watch the buck Truck video series on Meat Eater's YouTube in May. So be ready for that and make sure you're subscribed to the media channel. What's the plan for that? Man? Watch any of the other videos except for our Yeah, that's right. How does that? How does that release? Is that going to be just a big May just boom? Here's all the episodes. I think it's like a weekly thing. Who knows, man, I don't even know. I mean, I think it's supposed to be like every week, but you never know, things change, man, you know. Yeah, but as far as I understand, we gotta we got one coming out every week, So I'm pretty I'm really excited, mainly because we just put so much work into it, man, and I'm still just I mean, Eric would have been on this podcast, but instead he's just sitting over there in my chair looking at Instagram because he has to work a lot, so you know, he's working on buck truck stuff. But that's not what's happening right now. One of the Cardinals prospects uh shame saying the Dominican national anthem at his local hometown game the other day. Really yeah, really, Eric was posting about that. Is he's still a high schooler though, right yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, and he's I mean, he's he's guaranteed uh thirty thousand this year and then if he makes it to the Triple A, he'll he'll be making a lot more money. Twenty seven, Brian, what you may look like my may Sorry, but something else to add to me, are there may white tell techs that y'all put in for there may or may not be. Okay, That's what I was just thinking of us. So the next three months, for what tells, is not not fun. Yeah, you're trying not even think about the worst. But in preparation for for the next season, Brian's like, I tell you what I do for what I tell them? May I go shark fishing? Yeah, yeah, I hold my skills, um, somewhere where there's water, Tyler, Yeah. June June. Um, so these are back to back. Maybe the worst marks the next the next four April, May June, the worst August is miserable. I mean, I'll definitely start my like shooting regiment pretty like, pretty heavily by June. But um, I put this is such a gist. It hurts me to do this, y'all. Like I hate cliches and generic type stuff. Uh, velvet scouting, okay, but let's scout. Um, so essentially buy this. I mean, here's here's how you would do this. In June, you're not seeing a lot of growth, But what you see is bigger deer are growing their main beams out wider and quicker and growing nice brow times and growing heavier mass than the smaller deer. In this this you know, quick time of growth right here at the beginning of antler growing season. And so the best way in my opinion to to do velvet scouting in June is to a have troil cameras out, um finding these bucks. This is this is for the guy really cares about finding the buck, you know what I mean. So a guy who has a one buck county who wants to shoot one buck, or you know a guy is in most of it's gonna be like local, right, So get your cameras out if you want to do some scouting in the evenings or whatever on field edges and that kind of thing looking for bucks coming out. If you're really into this kind of thing, you want to do that. But you know, trail cameras are kind of the way that I'm thinking mainly, Uh, find her with big bases that are getting out wide really quick on their antler growth in June, and that's a good way to go. Okay, I found a guy's you know, going to be a potential shooter, So we're gonna keep an eye on them and try to you know, pin his summer range so that I have a good idea, you know, of where he'll be in the fall. Maybe should have not let you go first because my answer was deploy private land trail cameras. If you're a guy who likes to develop history with a deer on private ground, it's time to start building it. In June you can find the deer. And the difference in private and public it's that oftentimes on private you can do things to keep them around, and they don't move as much in my experience, at least on stuff that has higher pressure on it. You know, if you're in a state that has limited public pressure, that's awesome. You might be able to find some spots, or you might be able to go really deep somewhere where nobody goes and make it worth it. But it's not worth it, at least in Texas to put out trail cameras. We've done it this time of year and it doesn't pay any dividends at all except for making you sweat and lose weight and get you out there. So it's worth something too, Yeah, you can, for sure. But since you said deploy privately, you said something about trail cameras. Um, oh, you're good. You got a different one, different enough? Yeah, I think so. I don't have something different, all right, Brian tell us something shark fishing, which so I also had cameras. Um. But um, June is when I like to gear prep. I like to get my stuff um from the season organized and order um. And I also like to get online and order some first like camp man. You know, ordering stuff online is a good one. I should have thought of that, man. That is June is to do it. And um, just just getting my stuff ready for for September. Once you see how many deer die in butt truck while guys happen to have on a piece of first light camera. Oh my god, this makes me sit. Brian, Brian does love the source fast or a source jacket. I'll do yep. So um, you know he'll be able to uh, he'll be able to definitely vouch for that source jacket. I really enjoyed it. Yeah going, Brian, Yeah, where to go? Man? Yeah? Okay, you know what I do. In July, we all do um sweat shoot a ton ye bow man. Shoot. It is a great month to get out and shoot your bow. It's super hot in the daytime, but the days are really long, so you get a long period in the evening sometimes after supper, right because like in the middle of summertime supper is long before the fun goes down for me at least, so like you can get the whole family outside do a little shooting, and it's just can be enjoyable in the evening sometimes and you're just kind of used to sweating by that point in time, but it's a great time to just get out there and shoot a ton. I also had shootings that is wow. That is when I shoot. Like to shoot my bow. Yeah, I like to have it somewhere it's easily accessible. I would like the garage or backdoor or something. I like to take a couple of shots every evening. Um. Also July, UM getting ready for deer season. You're really starting to tell what these bucks are fixing to become. June I feel like you you know they're a good deer, but July you actually can start seeing confirmation that that deal with big basses actually is turned out to be a shooter a good UM. I like to map Scout in July because it's super high, like you said, especially for us and um, you don't like the challenge for uson though, No, not at all at all. It's quite challenging enough on the couch. I do like sitting around doing some map scout and dreaming of what's going to happen when you get there in September and October and November, and just you know, just being excited. It's all just like a it's really the beginning of the pump fest, because you start to kind of just visualize in your mind what these places look like, especially if you've been there before, to the area. You start to go, oh, I know what that's gonna look like. It's gonna be pretty good. It's gonna be pretty good. But there's also this anticipation of not knowing exactly what it looks like, just having a good idea of the flora and the area. Yeah, And you know, that's the hype that I love. I love that, like I always love when I when I you know, when I duck hunt, especially when I was like real crazy about it in high school and college. My favorite part of duck hunting, maybe as much as like any of it, was, uh, the afternoon before finding ducks and just being like, came in sleep tonight, I'm so juiced up to see what happened is in the morning, you know. Yeah, And if you do like to do some map scouting, I do know that on X is the app I use. It's pretty awesome. I've been using it for a long time and don't really have a reason to change because it does everything I needed to do. Um, and you've got tins that's right to inferior program, right, but uh, I believe that if you use code Element you can get a discounts them on X. Check that out. That sounds interesting. The what was I going to say in relations and I don't even remember at all? Um, Sorry, I got lost in the moment. August Broust. It's just going straight to it, yeah, okay, um, oh, that's what it was. Before we get to August. We're gonna do some Q and as type UH stuff on a podcast soon. And if you've got some questions or some thoughts that you want to share, if you want to send those to the Element at the media dot com. Uh. That is a place where all of our podcast stuff is gonna land and y'all can get that stuff over to us. If you got any questions for us the way we do stuff, buck truck stuff, whatever it may be, let us know. We'll be sure and answer those sometime pretty soon. Let us know. Let us know. Speaking of snow. Here's August, don't you know? Tyler actually saw snow in August one time. Canada. Actually, uh, I feel like I was in there um already. Yeah, for sure it was cold. I can't imagine we're about to get cold again this week. So um. One of my favorite things to do in August to help me prepare for deer is to find a living target to shoot at. I know this might be tough up north. I don't know what y'all have or what the prospects are. Maybe you can shoot a woodchuck or some type of small wild beast in August, But around here we have hogs, and I'd like to shoot hogs all year round, but August in particular. It is a real good thing. It might even be worth a trip to go try to hunt some hogs just to get the rust knocked off, because hogs are the like the best spot and stock animal I've ever hunted, because your odds of success are pretty high, but you can't be sloppy at the same time, so like, it is a really good way to brush up on your skills and shoot something alive and find something pretty good eat too. They're all targets, man, They are. It's exactly right if I had considered that when I had them piglet swalk out the other day for the same thing. When we're down there access hunting. Dude, we had like twenty five of them in the pasture and aside, I was gonna I shoot the boar. Why there was like and they were all like just instincts and a man to try to shoot the biggest, you know what, the biggest of them. Greg, he was like that boar back there, he's got phoneball his mouth. It's like, okay, I'll shoot that one. It's cool. Greg is the ultimate hot man. I've been watching some South Dakota stuff and like they're just I can't ruin this one for you, but I will say, like there's a deer, it comes out for Casey and Casey guess he's too far and Greg just straight up says, no, he's not. He's like, you got this big off, oh man, Brian uh So, August um is a miserable month here in Texas. It is probably the hottest. Some people up north just don't understand how um you know, Um, I like to fine tune my archery stuff. Um, I'm really focusing on what broadheads. I'm gonna shoot for the year. Um arrows, um my bow set up. I want it to be finished. Umrans, did you shoot last year? I shot the grim Reaper whitetail specials on the Magnus Stinger broadheads. Y'all have an argument about this black corners. I don't argue with people. I thought you'll have a magnets argument between y'all. Take about? What about what broadhead shot the year before? Yeah? The cornet, the cornet, black, cornet black. He's he locks the woodwinds. From what I understand, the woodwinds, so it's post to the brass. Yeah, a corn it is? It sounds like it. I don't know. I thought it was something that a lady wore as a bonnet. I don't know. Of course, of course, is that what you're getting at. I think if you mix the bonnet and the corset, then you got a corner. Uh So, Um, are you gonna shoot the broadheads again this year? I am? I know you shot You shot him earlier last year, probably in August the corners or the corners. Yeah, you were looking for a long range, fixed fixed blade broadhead. Yeah, and I remember you shot him, and you're like, that's awesome. And then you you know you you backed out and never shot him. Yeah, that's probably because of Casey's puzzle positive any I mean I don't I didn't have any so I didn't shoot him. But I also shoot what I got. You know, I like to keep an open mind. And you know you'll introduced me to the White til Specials. Yeah there. I don't know that I'll shoot anything else ever. Again, why dude, because you gotta play the steep sweet music at the corner guys that I will keep I will always I will always keep two fixed blade two mechanicals in my in my quiver. What do you do with that other slot? Um? Nothing two and two space. I really don't even need I just need to but yeah, I carry those just to fill my quiver. But I got you, Yeah you don't need them, Tyler. Yeah, what do you think I sip tober? Uh? Well, I didn't say, August, you didn't know what did you do? I was asking Brian questions, okay, um, And I mean I don't have to August is because I need to. I need to know things to do. Then well, if you're a guy who hunts some private trimming shooting lanes is a good place or way to do this. Also, there's some I think there's some public lands that do let you trim, So just whatever it is, if you got a permission or whatever to trim shooting lanes. At this point in the year, the growing season is pretty much over, so uh, trimming lanes in August, you're not gonna have a little shooters or whatever suckers shooting off of the branches and getting in the way, So good time to do it. It's also um pre um, what's going to happen here in a second, then I'm fixing to talk about in September, So it keeps um, keeps you from messing up your deer hunting spots. Um. What happens in September is deer shed, velvet and our increasing testosterone, and most of the time they move their home range at least a little bit. Therefore, you haven't messed up anything by trim and shooting lanes. And you also in September should move your cameras from their summer range to a place where you intend to hunt and kill deer, or if you don't know where that is, you should try to find move your cameras and find places that deer have relocated to. And you can do this before the velvet shed, which is like first week of September, which could be a good thing as far as keeping your scent, you know, giving your scent some time to dissipate before deer move into that home range. Or you can do it after, you know, like right before rain or something too, which is another way to maybe get your ground scent out of the area. So that's my September move is to take cameras and put them in spots where you can kill some deer that was your So you took you said August trimming shooting lanes, which I didn't even think about. But that's a good answer, thank you. And September is move cameras. Those are both good answers. Thank you. You're a well thought out white on hunter. Well I get hype in August, April through July, I struggled, Yeah, struggled. Um. Septembers when when I started getting excited for this season. Um for elk Yeah, Um, that's so I'll go back to private land. Um. In September is when I like to top all my features off o um because the next two months. I really don't want to pressure those areas or get in there when um, you know the hunting gets good, get in there. Yeah yeah, I'm just singing to every one of these things out. Oh man. Another thing I like to do in September is move my cameras to water. Um. So I hunt South Texas. UM, I hunt to Oklahoma, hunt here locally, um, South Texas. These deer starting to split um, and I have always had really good luck on water. Um and the first the first couple of weeks of archery season down there, usually they're still grouped up. Some of them are starting to split up, but they're they're really hitting water and they're patternable on water, so that's cool. We had we actually had moved a camera to a small pond on some public in Texas one time, in like August or ship term. We had bucks all the way up to like the week before opening day if you remember that, yep, I do, And then it had and then they literally went away. I don't know if dudes were just getting out the week before opening day and they messed everything up or what, but it falls well into my September answer. I put hang public land cameras because it seems as if on public ground that's whenever it actually does some good, they start shitting velvet. They kind of fallen with all ranges. I think you kind of mentioned that somewhat, and it would seem that a your normal public land hunter does like to get out and stomp around in September. And that doesn't mean that you shouldn't, but you probably should really be paying attention to human sign whenever you go in in September and see where people are scouting, look for the orange tape because people still use it for some reason, you know, look for news stands or whatever it may be, and just use like one good loop. Quick scout in September is probably a pretty good idea if it's if it's an area you're gonna hunt, and you know you want to hunt, I wouldn't spend a bunch of time in there tearing it up, you know, and just being crazy, but just making a loop through a place, getting a field for the area. It's probably a pretty good time to do that in September. Then we roll into a month that people know as a deer honey month. Nowe y'all actually mentioned hunt white tails in September which in Texas, you will be able to hold my teals in September this year. Um, it does rotate every handful of years. You get the last I guess the last weekend of September. Yeah, so, uh that's gonna because it will be a one hundred degrees and you don't want to do that. I guess what you want to You can shoot him with a crossbow and it don't matter what the element says. It ain't like when nobody's listening. That's right, that's right. Hey, guys, let me tell you something. We ain't trying to tell you you're bad. Okay. I don't think we don't think we were that bad about I think we were pretty pragmatic about things. But um, I think that, uh, you just want more people to ride in and direct them to me. Michael directed that he did. Here's what I do have to say. If you use the law for your bearing of what you think is permissible, that opens the door to a lot of things that I'm okay with, just so you know. But you do what you want and I'll do what I want. Um okay, And if it's lawful, he ain't going to jail or nothing. Yeah, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's right, great, we'll just see. Um. October is a deer hunting month. It is, and I put time your hunts because we all get ancy. Time your hunts for premium days. There are two, maybe three days in October for me locally at least, that are truly worth hunting unless you have a dear really patterned or something like that. Right, there's a real good chance that you push the envelope in October and go in and mess things up more than you actually do some killing. So I would say time your hunts for premium days. That's the best thing you can do as a y chill hunter in October. Bryan, there's some controversy in that, is there? So East Texas, Um, we're really ok. What wait, wait to go? I missed. I had to miss a deer at fifteen yards and you're just gonna you're gonna bring that back up. No, I didn't. I just asked you, did you kill? I didn't ask you. I mean you knew what you knew what you were doing. You knew what you were doing. October it's happening, it's starting to happen. So, UM, I think October is overlooked for pre rut here in East Texas. Yeah, I think a lot of people are focused on the seventh of November to the fourteenth fish. Um, And we usually do get a good coal front towards the end of October. UM, and I usually see some really good road activity. No, UM, I don't disagree with you so on that hopefully bout October, you know, Um, in the beginning of October. One thing I like to do, UM that I didn't get to do this year is killed dose. UM, like to get some deer meat in the freezer and preparing myself four of this November rut that's fixing to happen. But um, it always seems to start out of the several different locations that I do hunt across Texas and Oklahoma, it usually starts here and he Sexas. I feel like, yeah, the end of October, I think that lines up pretty good with my my commentary on though, like there's premium days and those are the ones. Yeah, Yeah, I think that in my hunting experience, I've I've tried to like making October fourteenth cool frontwork, and it doesn't at all. I think at one time really in particular, I believe it was like the second week of October, probably, Tyler, is that sound about right? Sounds close? We had a really good cold front. I mean it probably got down in the forties that night, and it was Tyler and I sat a Texas public stand all day and did not see a deer the whole day. Um, it's just some East Texas. There's some East Texas stuff and it wasn't worth doing. So let me ask you this. I'm sure we had bucks on camera there all summer. Rager. I can see the will spinning. Yeah. Um, so you guys hunt all over the United States. Where do y'all usually see the first road activity? M on? Midwest white till that's yeah, Okay, I don't know. I mean sex is probably is a good answer because it's all you saw Kansas or Nebraska or Wyoming or something. Usually it's gonna get I mean, that's my that's my answer to this question. It is hunt up north, Okay, I mean that's that that is That's literally what I put is hunt for the weather or it's colder, it's just going to be cooler. De You're gonna move around more. And there's something about like, you know, Illinois Wisconsin, Iowa, Ohio like those places. There's something about them for whatever reason it has to be, has to do with the diurnal period. I'm I'm guessing that causes deer to rut or not rut, but show signs of rut earlier and cruising and stuff like that. And you just and I think a lot of it is the cooler temps. You know what else I think on that front, and I'm gonna go with the cooler temps side of things is I've been doing some gardening, all right, and so average last frost dates or something. I've been thinking about it quite a bit lately, and our average last frost date is somewhere around the second or third of April. And there's also a average first frost date for fall gardening that you have to keep in mind, and you have to plant back from that, which makes fall gardening here pretty tough because it's it actually goes through one hundred to frost very quickly. Where we live. It's kind of crazy. Um, But I think that in more northern latitudes, at least in growing zones, which is kind of more according to like my point here, you're going to have a frost date that's usually before October first, and that first frost is going to kill a lot of the forbes out there, and that means that the deer have to shift their feeding patterns to other stuff, and it makes them move around a lot. And in particular, I can think of one of the buck truck episodes that we've been working on here lately, has a little bit of a deer making use kind of a new type of food source falling leaves in particular, and leaves that are about to fall apparently have something to them that do you really like so sugars? Probably I would imagine, Yeah, I would imagine that is the case. And uh, to kind of counter what you were saying about the earlier rud activity. In that same episode, you were scouting and looking at a really big buck and when you said something about he's gonna go that dough and then it just walked past her like five feet from her. Didn't you invade, didn't act like she existed as weird. Yeah, walked down to the same degham trail and the dough like skirted off to the side like rut was fixing it happen. He just kept walking. You didn't even looked down in the cart at all weird. But I think that that earlier frost state has a big impact on the way deer move. And I think that around here there's gonna be green stuff from to eat until mid November until now. Yeah, actually been a dry spring from me and Eric actually set a stand here local in December and there were still acrons in the trees. How long did y'all sit? Forty five minutes? Oh my gosh, we put it. We put in a good three hours. Eric, how long was it was it? Three hours? Don't you do this to me? Don't you tell the tree? Yeah? The truth? Come on. Remember I have trull camera evidence as to what happens. So it's fine. Uh. The moral of the whole story was December, there were still acrons and trees roun. We are on the month of October here we are. Okay, you you say that, but you're taking your headset off, So we're fine. Uh, let's move on to November. Uh. You've noticed as we've progressed that we've had more to talk about the past. Yeah, because it's actually someone we can spend four hours on. I'm okay with that. How many How long are we into this podcast. We are forty four minutes. Okay, this we can we can take some time and no, we can spend time this most important month than they do in the stand in this month. No way, if we spend one more in it, I don't know where you all got they would have to go to the episode. I don't know where you all got it from. But you know, stands are stupid. Saddles better, right, So I'm gonna go first on November, um um, because I think we all are gonna have good answers, and because you got so much talk about Trump. Yeah, um, even though you said it's overrated. Will you go? Uh? So in November you need to take time off work? Had come exactly what. I'm sorry. If you call yourself a deer hunter, all right, I'm not gonna call you out on your manhood or your make you turn in your hunting card or whatever. But you care about this stuff, you really do, and you only got so many Novembers in your life, right huh. And guess what, your boss, he probably ain't gonna remember whether you did or didn't take off, all right, and it probably ain't gonna make that much of a difference. If you have the time, if he's gonna remember it, then don't be taken off other times of the year. That's right. Use your time in November to take off time work in November. I mean, uh, I think that a lot of guys get two weeks vacation. You should just use one. Use five days of it. At least take a week off work. Yeah, take a week off work. That's feet here. It's sorry man, I'm a footwalk. It's it's uh thirty days long, and you should be in the woods at least twelve of those days, I think in that month. I mean, take you a whole week and then high grade the rest of them. Try to get a morning or evening here and there or whatever. Just do a lot of hunting in no remember yep, sorry Tyler, it's good man, Brian. What you got um November hunting. I am trying to hunt the biggest deer I have on camera, So I'm really focused on that deer. I feel like that's your best opportunity to get your shooter buck uh down or shot. Um, So run locks of cameras find the deer. I'm wanting to shoot. And I feel like Novembers when you're gonna catch him in day La hunt that deer, you know. Funny enough, November scares me on that point, Yeah, because I don't have locally, I don't have big tracks to hunt have my home property. So I'm thinking that I'm trying to get him killed before then, because there's a real good chance he's not on my place most of the time ye of November, because he's running around so much. But on the same note, there's a decent chance a new one comes in there is all that's That is one thing I really look forward to in November is you're going to start seeing a new deal. Also, have you done that quite a bit? Killed the one the beginning and November I have, so I know you guys are kind of an earlier November. Um, South Texas Thanksgiving weekend, it is always my favorite time to be there. Um around here in Oklahoma is usually the November to November fourteenth time for him I elect to really focus on. Yeah, on a round here. I remember when we had a dear Lisa, South Texas. I guess you call it South Texas. You call Elderta South Texas. I think it's South Texas. Um, we would have thank family Thanksgiving and then head down there and hunt for kind of a long weekend type dealer whatever, you know. And the reason I remember it being that time of year and being so good is because we didn't have normal family tup ofwear or whatever. We would just take a bunch of Thanksgiving leftovers and put it in a big old tin full ball thing. You know, Yeah you don't talking about I kind of double a tinfoul up and just like make a big hole, just pile and that and ate that while we're at the deer lease. Yeah, yeah, I can remember that being the case, tyler. But I think that since we already established for taking a week off and we're hunting deer because big ones move around, I would say, um, there are two things that I like a lot when I think about hunting rutting deer, and those two things are being in a pinch point, which is very obvious, but this one doesn't get a whole lot of press that I and I really like this, but being close to dobe batting U. I let's see, I killed that one right there, nameless as he was looking for doze betted in dobating type stuff, right M I killed one eyed jack over there. I killed him with a dough on December second, coming out of dobating. He had been betted with her all day. Um. That deer right there was betted with doze in a drainage, a big one twenty twenty one. That deer there followed the same path as another buck that was with a dough r Yeah, a Texas Public lan buck. Yeah. So I just really like dough bating areas. You can kind of get yourself into trouble if you're not careful around them. But over all, those dose are so freaked out by bucks at that time that they don't really pay attention to human intrusion quite as much as they normally would. They really just want to stay out of sight in the most thickest, nastiest that they can. Um. So they're not super worried about humans that time of year because they are just they're just listening to every twig crack around them and hoping that it's not a buck just getting ready to just be annoying is all get out. So I'd say if I if it was me in November, I would be sitting there dough betting or in an awesome pinch. Um if you have like a place on private that sits in a nice pinch you can shoot across with your bow. Then sit there and do like Brian and sit there all day. M that's cool. What do you do, Brian? Do you sit? Have you ever done all day sits? Never? Never? I don't think I did it all day last year I've done them, yes, but never again. Well for mule to Heer, you did. But as far as like dimensional white tail, tup Stas is the worst worst mid days in Colorado. The day before I think it was a day for us shot my buck. I did it all day and it was terrible. We literally didn't see it deer outside of like your normal seeing deer hours sept there all day in a place that had deer round, but just didn't see the mood. I wonder if we hunted a little more eastern, like in the big Woods, stuff would be different, different, you know, I be You know, that's actually a good point, because shade so much timber and uh shade and just cover and stuff sometimes. Yeah, shade, shade, shade is a big big one there. Yeah, man, November is fun. I can't say about November. I mean I could say I could go on and on for sure. But you know, for the second the podcast, we can do to high level tactics. That's true, game, that's true. You know, honestly, it's easy for us to come up with stuff about November, and people probably want to know like the off months, like the better, like what can you do right? And December is a unique month for this because, uh, in the South, it's a pretty big time deer hunting. It's fronting for the Midwest. If you have the right property, it's your best chance to kill a big bug. Uh. For me, it's become one of my less favorite months November December. Um, Now that doesn't mean you can't do some killing, but I think it's probably, uh, you gotta be just a little more tactical than just be like, oh, I'm just gonna hunt that second rud or just you know, some of that trailing rud activity you start doing that then used a good way to strike out a couple of days. For sure. I felt that this year. So, um, December, Brian, tell me about your December. Uh, December is when I really want to start focusing on foods. Horse ruts died down, um, and a lot of your local forage uh starting to die off and they're really starting to hit um destination foods. Do you just dial the the feeders up to throw for ten so a private land tactic. Um, you're gonna start seeing some of those bigger, mature, more mature bucks starting to come into those those feeding areas, um, protein feeders and stuff like that. So that is I usually do dill it up. Um, those are going to be around those things because they're starting to get hungry. And then bucks on that second run, like you mentioned, they're always thinking about it. Yeah, yep, um, and I that's that is why you crank it up. You know, you want to keep those deer around there a little longer. Uh, not for you just to see them or get a picture of them, but to keep those doves there in that area. Yeah. Yeah, for that second rup period, especially in South Texas, umami in December can wear a handful of corn out real quick. Yep. They don't mess around either, you know how like deer sometimes when just go to a feeder, pick up a kernel, eat and look around. In December, they've been messed around so much. All they are like trying to just move in and move out the Chen's buffet. That's it. That's it. A green b beans. Maybe I'll be I'll be honest. The day they were tasty, for sure. That's that's one of the best green beans I've had many. Yeah you are, mister December. That's what they say, Yeah, my dad being they Um, you killed deer in December. Get Uh I did? That's a probably he's killed too many. Stop yes, A really think about them now, I did killing in December, killing in December, killing December last year too? Where think? Yeah when I don't think you did in twenty one two? Is me to Symber? Yeah, I don't know if it did anyway. Uh, December is a place that I've killed some. It's a time that I've killed some deer, for sure. Those two middle ones for sure. Um so my I have one that's similar to Brian. But here's something that we can do here in the South that people can't do north of Mason Dixon very easily. They may make in I just don't know about it, because, in my opinion, a lot of people in the Midwest like to complain about deer having such hard winters, which is I'm not saying complaint, I'm trying not to be negative about it, but like, however, you want to say that they tossed the talking point. Yes, so, um, hunting a late season native food source is the thing to do in December in my opinion. So for instance, I kill or no, you kill the deer on the first of January twenty nineteen, infamously known as the meat buck, the meat buck. And when you when we opened up his stomach, it was like just chalk full of blueberries. What were those blueberries from? Those are from a non native invasive plant hauled Japanese private. So i' put native, but I didn't mean native, but I meant like wild. I was texting you our friend Mark Kenyon, who is trying to learn. Yeah, He's like, hey, when's the episode coming out? I want to I want to listen. Um. Yeah, that's exactly right. So not necessarily native food source. So I guess I meant wild is what I mean? Uh so anything outside of agricultural practices, normal agricultural practices. But privot berries were in that dear stomach. We also see anything that's that you can find it's green in the South a lot of times getting some browse pressure. So Japanese honeysuckle, which is also a non native. But do you like it? They hang around it. It's got cover and food for him in the late season. Another thing we see. Sorry, well, we talked about it on a podcast couple times ago, maybe last week whenever, No, it was the one before when we did the Q and A. Just within our group, I talked about um uh like swan up and willow oak acorns just being full of tannins, orange flesh. They they're dropping late, you Brian, you mentioned akron's dropping late this past year. You get those in the late season, and it can really be the main place to kill deer in in late season. And they, I mean they're they're definitely dominated by them by their stomachs, and late season is a good time to do that. You just you know, you got less bucks on the landscape that time of year, man. You know, so it is tough hunting no matter how you cut it. Usually because a you know, certain million number of white tail bucks have been shot that across the US at that point in the year. A lot of times that's said, oh waitn't ith Yeah, I mean you think about it, dude, You got like you know and your you may have two or three uh big bucks on your trail camera that you're looking forward to maybe seeing this year, and by December two of them may be dead. You may have one or two left and then maybe a guy I move in. I mean, you your chance they're cutting half or less a lot of times, you know, I'm sure enough. My December thing is scout for human pressure. If you're hunting public ground at least, which I do in December quite a bit. If there's been people in there, they probably hammered it through the Thanksgiving weekend and maybe even in early December, and then about that time they kind of get worn out and they're thinking about duck hunting or you know, family Christmas stuff or whatever. So there's a time period there in December when the public ground kind of gets a little less pressure, it seems. But the deer often have felt with the pressure already and they all like straight up move and change their home running grounds because of the pressure. So it's a pretty good time to go in scout for human pressure. If you aren't seen anything, maybe you are the human pressure and find you a spot that doesn't have a lot of folks around on it. And if you find that there's a good chance you find a decent number, and if you hunt it smart for a couple of weeks there you can have some pretty good hunting. It's a great idea, man, H. January postseason scouting is what I have down for a lot of folks. It's the postseason. H. Tyler likes postseason scouting as far as the concept of it at least, and it's benefits. And I'm kind of with you. All the sign is as fresh as it's gonna be, and so you can tell, you know, what happened or whatever. It's a good time a year to maybe even take out of state trip and go scout a place your thing about hunting next year or whatever. So that's what I think about for January. What about you talking? Yeah, mine's a mine is a couple same thing, but couple with pig hunting. So you go out, he take some shotguns or whatever, and you go out chasing pigs, bows or whatever they'll let you take, and to walk around into the wind preferably, but eventually usually we get so and throlled with the deer sign that we just forget about the end and it don't kill any pigs, squirrels, anything, just walk around the shot gun and look at your sign. So and so, I know, like, actually the place that Eric killed his first buck this year was a place we found postseason hunting squirrels, post season scouting. And we actually found that place on a snow, which we don't get snows very often here, but you guys up north do. And guess what, not only do you get to see sign in the snow, but once the snow melts, it leaves the ground wet, and the deer tear up the ground pretty bad when they're walking on wet, muddy ground. So I mean truly, January and February, depending on where you live, can be really good months for that postseason stuff. And I do feel like I would weigh rather scout in January than I would in you know, August, or you know, really January February, if I'm going to be scouting for deer on the ground, those are the two months man, outside of being scouting on your way in or something like that during the season. What about you, January is one I like to kind of top off everything again, feeder was um, get them deer ready for the cold weather that that's usually approaching, the approach in that time of the year. Another thing I like to do is, um take inventory of the deer seasons ended. Um. I like to you know, put out multiple feed locations, get the cameras back up and running, and uh, see what bucks lift that's going for sure, especially in the state that people get to shoot deer with guns lot and have a good amount of deer tags. You never know who made it end of January. Yeah, I had a buck a couple of years ago. Man that that made it all the way to the last week in of December, and then somebody just when neighbor decided to shoot it and gut shot it and didn't find it. And uh, the reason I know it was that dear is because how many points that they said it had and how it never showed up again. I never showed back up again after that episode. I have an inventory one for February, but it's inventory your gear. Oftentimes people have done their small game stuff or whatever you're gonna do. Uh. February is a good time of year to be inside as well, because it's usually cold everywhere, even here. It's not very enjoyable outside in February. Some days are nice, but it's a good time of year to kind of re calculate all your stuff, make sure you haven't lost anythings, even anything to replace, and you can budget for some of that stuff throughout the year or two and think about what you might want to add for next year or whatever when it comes to gear. But um, I'm not a very organized person, so it's good for me to like do one like big organization, especially after deer season, because right now my truck is still do your season pretty much condition, Yes, ready to go. It's just got a bunch of stuff you just hop in and deer hung out of casey. I promise you we can. We're ready to go. That going, yeah, yeah, tie. So I put forest stand improvement FSI. Oh um. That time of year which you get in our neck of the woods at least is a bunch of fifty to see segree days on just your probably general days. And so I don't like working outside when it's hot because it's just like especially running a chainsaw. You can get just so Dad, I'm talking boots just gushing water out like you just jumped in, like I'm talking last time I did it. Did any kind of timber working like August or July I almost passed out, man, And I was in good shape, you know, but it's just it's just miserable to do that kind of work when it's hot. So February is my time of year to do some some FSI. And what you get is if you do that in February, in my opinion, you get a lot of new growth that happens the next couple of months off of that, which is good, healthy, just you know, protein rich shoots that come off of the stuff that you're cutting, you know, what they call mineral stumps A lot of times happen. And also all the light that you create by cutting cedars down and big you know canopies down, hits that floor at forest floor and throughout the months of March and April, you get that. I mean, I know it's it's non native, but you get that Japanese honeysuckle that comes in or whatever, and you know, gives some food for the late season next year or two. So I think February is a good time in my opinion to do that stuff. And I'm by no means an expert on that guy, So just saying about you did you get February. February is when I like to start focusing on predators and hall control UM. And the next the next few months, after February, you're going to start seeing some funds UM. And I like to hunt those um coats and pigs. When the grass is not tall, everything's dead, you can see a long distance UM usually more successful. UM. So February I really like to start focusing on predator some pigs. Grass is a big thing. We'll be talking about that a lot. Good point about why people hit hawks high a lot of times because the grass covers the bottom third often, so you don't really consider it, right Yeah. Um So march Brian march Um, that's efficient. Yeah, I know, UM, I told you all y'all can do something. Besides, you're hunting on one of the months, so did you I didn't hear that, march Um. It's it's shed time. UM love to look for sheds. UM. Trying to that also helps. Let you know right now, how many um East Texas shids have you found its march Um. I've found a lot, not as much as in South Texas. Yeah, you know, we don't have the deer numbers I'm compared to South. But you have gone out in East Texas shed hunting like that's the thing you're doing and found ships. Yep, it's it's you got some real nice days to those months too, to go do that. I didn't. I didn't go once so far this year. Um I looking sheds. It's too late, but I did. I did in Oklahoma, Um, I looked. I think last year we went up there and one day and found twenty something. Me and Asher and uh we went to the other day in the fund one man. But there's been ten guys driving around filling feeders and looking for them. Also found some some really good sets of horns. UM. Protein is something I want to start getting fired back up. I know there's a big controversy on on protein um. But once the horns, once he's bucks loser horns for the next couple of months while they're starting to regrowth. I do like to put up some protein um and get that started. I have some second hand protein experience, do Yep. I got a a guy I know that you know as well, UM, who is on a lease that's a long term lease where they have started feedings protein rich feed and seen for sure results in body way. An antler says, here's something new so protein, but they have that. It's not just like, hey, here's some protein. It's like this is what you're gonna eat, you know what I mean. It's like a it's like this is your diet. It ain't just a like here's some corn and here's some protein. And by the way, I only have thirty six acres, so you're gonna go over there later tonight and get whatever you want. You know. So this is a fifteen thousand acre place, you know, and that's one hundred percent protein. They feed They've got like I think they got like forty or eighty feed stations on it or something. I can't remember. It's like it's like a lot of feed stations. Yeah. So so what you're saying is, and I'm I'm not gonna try to be argumented on this because I don't I'm not a big fan of protein. Is if you listen, you probably know. But to have an effect, it has to be in mass and be like very strictly managed and done well. So you almost if you're going to make protein work, you almost have to sacrifice the wildness of the creature to make it. Do it. There's lots of sacrifices, financial ones, too. Yeah, did you ever take protein when you were lifting a bodybuilding? How do you feel about it? Back then thought it was a good idea. Yeah, and now I don't. You don't. Why not? Just if you're like I can get twenty six grams of protein from Greek yogurt in about five minutes, whereas a protein of way, protein is pretty much gonna it's the same type of protein. You know, it's it's a dairy based protein that you're gonna take in a shake and it's probably gonna increase your sugars. And but I mean, do you do you think that protein is something you needed to build muscle at the time? You have to. You have to have protein in your body for sure. Yeah, but I mean like a lot. Yeah, you have to. It's like you're supposed to try to consume like point six or point seven grams of protein per pound of body weight if you want to build or something. I might be off on that, I don't remember for sure. But can you believe that science or whatever? Science? Yeah, protein protein research? Uh sure, Biology, I mean science is mature. It just I know, I'm just making a joke and I'm trying to I'm just I'm not either. I'm just saying if you want me to call it something else, I will, but no, you know what, Okay, only you. But what I'm saying is that, um, but I'm just what I guess My point is just so you know, I feel like protein does build mass, and so I'm asking you if you think the same. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, of course it does. But as a human, you can really control the amount of you put in your body and the amount of work you do. So those are two things that can work together to make you more muscular. Right, And for a deer, they can't really control that nearly as much, but if you, as a human can control that for them somewhat. Like you said, you're taking the wild out of it a little bit. Yeah, but you I mean, it is a thing that can work. Yeah, and I think I mean it just I don't know how else to explain it other than yeah. And that's why I WI was like, I don't want to argue about it, because my argument against it is that most situations you're limited amount of protein supplementation ain't doing generally that's rights exactly right, That's and that's my whole point. I don't have a moral issue with feeding deer protein personally, I don't know as far as like that situation you're talking about. There is like a sad part of it to me of like how cultured the deer become in like, hey, this is what you're going to eat deer and I'm going to shoot you, you know, because you ate that. You know, it's kind of it's a it's a I get it. I'm not sayings bad. Why can't think of the word right now? Um? Where you take care of husbandry? Husbandry? It's animal husbandry, which is which is different than hunting. Yeah, well that's the thing. It's like then you start you start to have some uh legitimization of the word harvest. Yeah, because you are isn't that being a good steward? Also was taking care of? It is animals that we're trying to kill? It probably? Well? Also, who are you to define the word care? That's where you get You're to define the word care of animals because God gaves you the dominion to sure. But someone's uh Keith Warrener's definition of care, it's gonna be a lot different than my definition. True. So just like you, like with conservation, it's up to the individual or ethics. It's up to the individual. So if Brian considers that care, then so be it right. Yes, correct, Um, I've seen this, which, by the way, if I had money, I would for sure be feeding protein on flat for the listeners. I want to tell you something that i've you know, if something I've always kind of messed around with, but beef all or all stock creep feed is a fourteen percent protein. Um if you're going and buying deer protein in the fourteen to twenty percent range for twenty five dollars a bag, look at creep all stock and you're like fourteen to sixteen percent for like a third of the price, and this is good stuff. Just a second, but I'm gonna write this down also also, but the deer, like a high protein food for deer would be more like thirty percent, wouldn't it. You're probably in the probably in the mid to upper twenties. Is a good one. It didn't cotton. See, isn't that going to be one of the top I would imagine it's it's cheap, So I don't know if it's I don't know if it's because it's cheap that people like it so much. Or if it actually so, here's problem for crew protein and then there's like accessible protein or whatever, right, and those two things are two different things because they can they pass some of it because it doesn't digest right, because it has to be the K type of protein. Ye, so we are I'm definitely talking outside of my wheelhouse here. Do you understand nutrition a little bit and how different proteins are trying to bridge the gap with your your bodybuilding? Yeah, you know, background, there's case and other things that you take at different times because they're longer release supposedly right, pro science whatever. Um, but it is that is a that's a that's a cool point. Now my question is do the deer eat it as well? That's yes, they do. Hey, ANDREI say something else, so too, I get away from that. Um. I was talking about being a good steward and you you're nearly responsible for these animals that we're in some ways overbreeding in our management practices. You know, we want a lot of deer, we want big horns. If you get down South Texas and you're in an area a feeder throws and you have thirty deer come into that feeder, you know that habitat and surrounding area cannot take care of that that herd or that population of deer. They are solely relying on the corn and the protein supplements that you're you and surrounding landowners are feeding them deer. So and I think it's I really see it when I get down there and I'm like, man, how are these deer living on this environment down here other than what we're feeding them? And if we did quit feeding them, how many of these deer would survive? And then I feel a responsibility in that nearly I'm keeping some of those deer lives. So that's that way across the country. If we truly stop feeding deer across the country. And what you have to understand is soybean fields, corn fields, al five fields all feed deer. Ye, if we stop feeding deer, the deer population that we know of right now, we'll collapse entirely. If we it laminated corn, soybean and all that other stuff, any human supplement Tasian, no matter if it's actually intended for human consumption or not. I'm not saying deer would go away, but I can. I'm saying pre Columbian exchange, Iowa, the state we know of his Iowa. That area probably this is probably this is subjectives on my opinion, but had one twentieth the amount of deer than it does now because it's just hardwood country. But here's another thing, is, um, this is such a rabbit hole. Uh is this February deer? I don't know. Deer down there in South Texas. Certainly they may not have like a ton of stuff to eat, but you have cows in your place. Um, they are not all the time, so they'll rotate them sometimes through some of those paths though ye maybe, I mean deer can eat a lot of the same things that cows can eat, yep, And so cows are just hammering some of that stuff too. So in the end, like maybe it can support that, but just not like cows. So there's a and there's also like and this is really dependent. It's just that big of a topic up north where they're actually everything. Everybody thinks that, oh, corn of bees are here and they've always been here on something case, But also thirty deer show up with the feeder because that feeder has the ground worn down one foot down, because it's been there for fifteen years. And those deer know to be there at five forty five pm. So maybe for the most part those thirty deer are supported by the acreage around there, but they all kind of started going that way about three hours before the feeder went off. Yeah, so they've got that going to and there isn't there is a thing like what you're saying with um, if you're if you get a get a lease and you start throwing corn on it in a place that's you hadn't you doesn't show that there's a benefit or there or whatever. Maybe and all of a sudden you got thirty deer coming after a month of doing that. Um, it doesn't necessarily mean that that ground can't support those deer. But if you do that for five years, then maybe you maybe you get to that point, you know what I mean. But you're not affecting it over a short term period really like you're it's long term term periods that affect that. So it really depends on like who has the ground before you, how long you've had the ground, those kind of things, really, I think in that context suit So I think there's so many variables. The best way to tell is if if the country can support the deer is to just look at body. Yeah, yeah, that kind of stuff. I mean, sure the supplementation can can help a little bit, especially because here's the point, guys, this is a dirty little secret. We want more deer on the landscape than the landscape can support because we want to kill one third of them every year. Yeah, you know, so that's like what you're talking about. Part of the husbands, you're part of the dominion, which people take out of context. But like, we want to manage this ground to produce more animals than what the natural process outside of humans would accommodate, right, because we want to take those animals away from the coyotes, away from the falcons, and away from those things and eat them in our houses. Yeah right, so let's make it better than what's just out there normally. You know what. Also, we like doing just straight up deer hunting. Yeah, you know, like being out there and deer hunting, even when we're not killing them. It's like sometimes it's just fun to be out there deer hunting because otherwise you're just sitting there working or being on a computer or whatever, you know, and it's like this is fun, you know, so like and and you know what's it's funner when you're seeing more deer. So that's another reason we want more deer out there. It's another reason we want to get out of East Texas. That's yeah, that's a reason why I have to go a place you can see pretty get Yeah, you know, yeah, it just makes it more fun whenever we had Lisa, South Texas. But oh yeah, I saw like thirty forty years now while I was counting deer that we're half mile away because you can see, ye, it's still fun to see it. Yeah, man, it's it. Yeah, man, I saw a ten point chase it do over there? Yeah, oh yeah, it's four properties over Yeah, but it's cool at your house. If you see one a half mile away, it might be on the square. That's right. Absolutely. I had some other overarching stuff that we might talk about, but we definitely had a good rabbit hole there. There is one question that none of us really addressed. I think that we should get into. When do you plan your dear season March? Is it March? I don't know, I don't know. We haven't actually done a lot of planning around here. There's a little bit of stuff floating around out there. And is it a thing that just kind of develops until dear season happens. I think the average guy plans their deer season pretty easily compared to us, which because I just know I've been that, I've been in that position where it's like you got to you got ferry four deer hunting trips a year, and they're all probably at the same place, you know what i mean, same lease or whatever. And so if that's what you got, then you kind of, you know, are just looking for one or two places to hunt deer that year. And that's cool, and that's fine. I'm not trying to make any any thing out of that. I'm just saying that, you know, for us when we go forward talking about this conversation, our dear, our planning of deer is pretty intensive, and so we need to all just know that. I'll just it's involved you because we're taking a lot of people when we go places, some cameras and everything else. But let's say the only podcast used to be an encouraging thing, and now it's very much become more like just raged. But if we were trying to encourage someone to step out of what they normally do and do something different, hunt a new state, whatever, it might be. When do you think that they should start thinking about that stuff? I mean now is a good time because there are some things you can do that are for draw so you want to get ahead of those. So that's it's definitely once you say, Okay, I'm not doing anything that's going to be a draw, you know, or I'm not doing anything out west it's going to be a draw, like, then you can just chill and not do anything until you know, July or whatever whenever you want to. But you know, if you if you're the guy that's hunting the lease and you're probably gonna be on that lease this year, you're going to again, um, and you're not really worried about trying to go out of state hunt some weird obscure white tail population or whatever, then I would say, you know, for me, I'd start shooting in July and thinking about filling feeders in July or August probably, and you know, doing the thing. What about you? What do you think you? I mean, you kind of follow speak for for the normal person. You guys are not normal. That's watching you guys, planning your your seat, your hunts and season is AU. There's a lot more put into it than up up. But um, I think once season, this season ends your normal deer hunter. Um, it kind of slowly develops until dear season. But most people are content with one dear lease and and hunting it four times a year. And if that makes you happy, man, that's you know, that's all. That's all you need to do. I'm me happy for a long time. Yeah. I think you're a normal hunter is content with that. Yeah, here's a warning on that. As soon as you do more, you're gonna want to more. That's what I was thinking saying. Yeah, I think if the normal person would push themselves to hunt, uh not even maybe a different species, but hunt a different state every year or something, and uh kind of find that that new that new thing. Um, yeah it's over for you and know yeah, yeah exactly. It's a it's addicting man, and hunt till your heart's content. It's pretty fun man. You know. I go ahead, now you go. I know that. The reason I asked that question is, Um, sometimes you can end up in despair, like maybe you're talking about got shot or whatever. You start scrambling. Uh. In past, we have tried to do the whole Okay, let me google what states have an open season right now and how that lines up with the RUT dates and try to do it last minute, and I have not seen that work out very well at all. I think that we talked ourselves out of it, like two years in a row pretty much trying to like last minute go find a deer to hunt or whatever, and just you can just make it a bad idea real quick. So if you are interested in planning and out of state hunt or just a different area of state or whatever, get on the ball quick on that, and you should be interested in that. I would encourage you to at least maybe I should you. I would encourage you to be interested in it because I can promise you when I go do new stuff and new places, I learned something that I can fly back home and it helps me better deer hunter right in here locally, and it's a good thing to do. So if you're thinking about that, you also might need to budget for it. We have got some old podcasts out there about some budgeting stuff. You remember what that was called? Tyler was that less less dollars more bucks. It's good, Yeah, that's good remembering. Hey man, I got one. Eric told me, will he go. You know, he's got a good memory. But um, there's some old podcasts we have about like with some ways to budget for that. And what I'm saying is, uh, you know, if you're gonna do something like that, um, you might need to think about the money and what it costs and buy out of state, tag or whatever and planning for it as opposed to trying to make it happen the last minute. Um, I don't know if you missed it or if you're planned on it, but we haven't done March. Brian did and then we went off like crazy and then mine is shit hunt. So I don't have anything I got you all right, what do you got some unique pick up cameras? It's good idea. There's no reason for him to sit out there in March. Yeah, you got a bunch of doze on the landscape looking at a little like nothing headed buck two year old right then on camera. So you know, if you're not uh, if you're I mean, you can put them in pick areas, I guess, but really picking them up, cleaning them up, getting some new batteries in on them and getting ready for Angeli's probably again those old batteries out that's a big point, dude. I can't tell you how many times I've put cameras up with batteries in them and then they mess up the camera road or whatever. You am. Yeah, so hey, so we're an hour and twenty five into this. Told you, were there any questions that you didn't address from today's live or stuff I had? Yeah, I did a little. So we're gonna do a lot more of these lives going forward this summer. Um, there's some cool stuff we got coming up that'll be like live Instagram videos and stuff, But um, I don't think there's anything like two. Everything was really particular questions a lot of guys have, Like when they ask a question, they have something in mind that's very personal to them about their situation or a buck situation. So usually that's the way it goes, and it doesn't really have it doesn't have a whole lot of implications for other people a lot of times. So if somebody's listening has a question and they want to answer, where would they answer or a good place for it Instagram or Facebook direct messages. The element at the meteor dot com is an email address you can send stuff too, but it's only questions and nice compliments. That's right. Don't tell us you don't need any rage or argue. We have we have cross about in your state, Okay. We got to talk about stuff, and we have to have some opinions. Okay, and we're I can promise you. I can promise you. We're not always right. Yeah, if you don't like the opinions I've shared, where you wait till you hear the ones that I haven't share. Okay, rage Casey email every day. Well, guys, Brian's best hunter here. Remember that. And remember this show, Elephant Liberted

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