00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm crusty and i'm and you're listening to what's happening y'all. This is the Element podcast. And guess what you've heard us in other places, probably because as you might know, we've been doing the rough fresh stuff. But guess what. We don't need to let our first. We need to come back to this. But here's the deal, y'all. We have been going wild on the road, hunting in all the country. It's like this, ma'am um. And so we needed to make sure we could do this podcast justice and couldn't just hop on there while we're trying to eat a taco midday and just say a little something. Instead, we decided we need to get on here and talk about things for real, right, So we got some for real guys here. All right. I got the frill Tyler Jones, and I got the frill air gentry true Tyler Jones Jones, Right yeah, and the exquisite airy gentry, uh couple air flinging. Nebraska's over here, that Mr Nebraska walking stiff. Oh yeah, tell me about a Nebraska walk. There's a way to do it. You gotta be kind of high strung to do it right, or at least attempt to be that way and act that way. But it's a it's a lead with your hips, don't lead with your feet, really, You lead with your hips, so your feet can't get out in front of your hips when you're going. It's a fairly fast walk. The faster the better normally, and you gotta make sure your hips are in front of everything else in your body. I feel as if the Nebraska walk is somewhat of a dominant walk, but with a subordinate stride. Yeah, you know what I mean. You gotta hold back that toe a little bit. You kind of like you're on your heels almost the whole time when you're walking. Yeah. Yeah, it's a it's it's all so a touch bow legged a little bit. Are you familiar with the term Nebraska nice? Yeah? I am. It's similar to Midwest nice or similar to New Mexico nice. Oh okay, I got it, but it's a little different. Uh. We almost got us a bumper stickers that in Nebraska nice on it. Really we decided to go with corn and bread, Corn and bread. I thought that was pretty cool. So we've been doing some hunting one too. He does for real corn. How do you feel about semi sweet corner. Semi sweet corn. I think I've ever heard of it, but it sounds good. Good. The corner I had the other day was semi sweet. Uh, and I'd eat it again. I think it's what a deer eating. Yeah, so it makes sense. Yeah, So the world is in a drought, or at least the world we know, the hunt world. Uh. We are not in a drought when it comes success, when we'll get to that. So, but drought conditions are upon us across the country, it seems, um, and it is no different, especially in the Plane States. We were in Nebraska and the name of the game was resources, all right, and uh, I wouldn't say the Natural Resources Department would be the name of the game first se but you know, the natural resources themselves were pretty important. Uh. Saw some weird stuff out there, Actually saw deer eating things that I didn't even know they would touch. Saw deer like ignore water sometimes when I couldn't make sense for them to drink lots of strange things. Man, how don't I don't know? Um that hunt? Um, it's I'm still trying to kind of process the whole thing, because every time we go hunt in Nebraska, it seems like it's so fast paced that, um, you almost don't have the opportunity to learn about what you're doing because you're just acting on impulse a lot of times, kind of like Tyler flishing his flyaway over here. They can't just like they gotta try to get in your mouth, you know what I mean. Greg's strategy is to act like he's trying to take a truck nap and then just let land on your let land on his leg right by his hand, and then he'll get it like but he fully sells out. Dude. I Like, We'll be dropping down the road and I would think that Greg has napping, and then I'll see catch a fly and I'm like, dang, dude, he is like the ninja. What's funny. It's it's a lot like when the deer stares at you and see kind of catching like moving, and you just close your eyes. You know, Okay, I can't see my eyes say that, like, don't stir him the eye. And I never have I never really felt like, oh, if a deer's within thirty looking at me, like at me, I'm closing my eyes to the point where I can barely see him at it usually like look at him through the bill of my hat, turning your head down or you always have your head down. I kind of I kind of got my head down a lot. Just walk around with Nebraska, walking down, head down, hips forward, baby Tyler. We had two different Nebraska hunt until we had the same hunt we did. So what was the first part of un Nebraska hunt? Like, um, it was a hunt. There was no no fun. It wasn't fun. It wasn't look none of that wasn't it wasn't happy. Nothing had a hunt. So anyway, Um, I basically started out going to a place where I had seen some deer the year before. The first morning that we hunted, and we had a hunt, terrible hunt. And uh we saw a coyote that morning, me and Eric did. We saw much of waterfowl and stuff is fun and fun, you know. It was a fun morning. Uh, and morning there's a lot of cows in the area. So the cows made it. Uh, they kind of had destroyed all they what I considered was betting habitat, which is what I was kind of hunting. We were near egg but in bedding and when we got there it was dark and I was like, dude, there's been cows in here last year it was six ft tall right here, and now I'm you know, walking across cow patties or whatever. So that's a depressing thing. Some of these like land guys will try to justify having cows as part of your management strategy for deer no rotational grazing and stuff like that, and I think it's a clown show. I think that's a way to satisfy their customers who want to make money off their land and hunt it. And so they get they like, oh, rotational three mutch and then you know it's like, well, yes you can still deer hunt, and yes deer will still be around if you have a bad to the bone property. But what could it be if you didn't have cows just I mean, or just wrote. What if your rotational graze was every seven years where you graze them for one, you know, for six month period out of seven years, and then you know, you refertilize the property or whatever, you know. The father of wildlife management, Aldo Leopold says there are five aspects. I think there's five two um wildlife management, cow plow, fire, ax and bullet I believe, or the five UM. So how your boy, and Mark Kenyon would be so proud of your better be I'll teach him a thing or two. I took wildlife class four times in college and still in passive because they didn't like what I had to say about things because it's called cows were stupid. But no, um out on new some stuff, right. Um, So there's gotta be a certain way that it does make sense. But I would definitely agree that taking something that's luscious and turn into the lunar surface does not work out very good. It's not a good thing. It's a bad thing. And cows at the time of hunting on a property are a bad thing. Yeah, you know the song Home Home on the rage with a deer in the antelope play, not with the bison. There's no busing, no cows. Buffalo's not mentioned, you know. Um. And in fact, I would like to know how many of you were on the landscape whenever the buffalo were prevalent, because I think there would be less. They stopped him into the ground, looked like it looked like a vacation or in Yellowstone an time my deer got near buffalo. Dude, Dude, I like a beef steak. But Dad gumm at cows annoying me and I'm not really like I don't need beef. You know. Well, my set up for the first morning it was different than yours. I found a cattle trough, which, uh, the first morning you found that thing. Yeah, we went in the first morning and sat there and glass a thing. But you just went Were you going in with that in mind? Or were you just going into glass and you ended up seeing it. I knew it was there. I found it on on X and UH said, Okay, we're gonna go because I kill That's right. Uh call Hunter Dickens on the phone. So it's shameless plug. Guys, if you haven't been over to the Element YouTube channel and checked out the public land buck that I killed last year in Oklahoma over a water source, it's a pretty big deal for me, man, because I've been telling Tony how dummy is for so long and then I, like, for some in a lapse of reason, I followed his tactics and sure enough killed a buck over water on December thirty if nonetheless right like late, I do believe in the year and so um I knew it could work, and so I found we call him peelas it's around cattle water tank uh that has a pump of some sort aunt and uh like windmills or whatever. And UM went and set up about two in the arsement thing up in a glass and position to watch it. Well. As soon as it starts getting seeing light, we see two bucks downe there and they're headed our weight. So Greg and I start making moves on them, and I end up making the wrong move. If I had just stayed where we were, probably could have shot them from our little glass and knob. But you know how it goes. Man. In the moment, you're just doing your best to make the best decision, and you have to learn from it. And that's where what makes bad hunters good hunters is the learning right you gotta you gotta figure out how to how to adapt and overcome. But at that point, two more giant bucks had moved into the water trough and I saw them. We went back up to the top and then I couldn't find him anymore, so I get up on my knees to start looking for him, and then they're there at the water trough and they're just looking at me, which is the worst feeling. Like whenever ten point buck is just eyeing you down. You just feel so stupid, feel so dumb, and just because they don't make men of them, no, and they don't them don't look at you men times usually if they look at you once they get an Eiffel and then they're out of here. And that's what happened. Uh, But we still saw more bucks that morning. So we had a wild time while you were having a tough time. And it's kind of like almost how it went until all of a sudden it didn't. Uh did you have did you figure anything else out in that habitat over there over the of course of a couple of days ago? If where I started in? Uh not really. I left there real quick and said, nope, not doing this. Uh. Then I ended up. Um where did we hunt that evening? Do you remember? I don't remember what what we did that evening exactly? Oh, we went to uh we went to a different Uh we kind of drove aways to something different, different kind of type of habitat, right, And we were just going to hang a camera and get out of there, just to see like what is in there? And I as we're like getting within the last probably a hundred yards of just a quick out on this place. Um, we run into like a rager of a rub that's like got a limb hanging out that's just shredded and probably will turn into a scrape. And I was like, man, this is pretty good. Um, and the way it's set up. I started looking at the map and stuff, and I was like, not only can we set a camera here, but we might could take um like I saw a trail. The trail that we walked to this thing on is like just barely out of sight from the road, so no visual to the road. And I thought, dude, this could be being used in daylight and um going to this egg food source. So men, Eric set up and we had such a good set up. Dude. Eric found a big old dead head that was really cool on the way in and we were just pumped. Man. I'm like, there's big bucks here. This is a good spot, and we're sitting here, you know, nearer where things can happen and where there's bucks around. So sat there and saw a dough before dark and that was it. So I saw a half dough or a half a deer per sit. I went in the next morning and kind of employed this thing that you were doing which is what we do. We typically try to learn from each other on the strips. And this is why I hunting with with your buddies is good. More people you have trust, that's right. The more people you have, the more you They can tell you what they're seeing and you can make moves as opposed to just not seeing something and being lost while you're up there. And so I learned from you that I should probably be a little less aggressive. I wouldn't like being super aggressive, but just I need to be more passive. I guess you. You and I are a little bit different on things like this. I like to see a lot of things. And it doesn't bother you to just go be in a thicket. And I don't mind being in a thicket either, but I I want to have reason to be there in my mind. Like I'm not saying you don't have reason to be there, but you get what I'm saying, Like I have to be convinced of it. It's real hard for me to go sit up somewhere I can't see but like forty yards and just being like, okay, from what I know about, dear, there should be some here, Like well, it's a good way for me to feel like I'm wasting the morning to Yeah, well I went and saw some stuff that next morning, and I saw a lot of country real deep and watch deer that we're moving to betting that was probably nearly three well, probably nearly two's probably two miles from from any entrance. It's probably close to three miles from where you could get a vehicle to And um, we watched some bucks. Some does saw a lot of deer that morning. We didn't see any bucks that I don't think. I don't think any of the more shooters. There was one that like I might have shot, but he ends up it was probably gonna end up being like a hundred inches or so, and so I was just not happy with that either. So we kinda started thinking after that, you know, what can we do? This is different? And of course I moved again, which I don't want to step on the rest of your story here either, but well I got some buck encounters in there for sure. Really real quick, I want to tell I have a p s A here. Uh if you watch our YouTube channel and somebody has a um comment that says text and it has a number that's all in circles and stuff, Um, and they say that you're a winner. Do not uh, don't get with those people. Make sure that they are like, just don't be done right. Just make sure because people are gonna scam you, and don't be the guy that can be scammed very easily, because just check into it. I guess that's what I'm saying, because we've had a lot of guys trying to scam on our channel. They're using our profile picture and telling people that they want to bow or something. They're saying text whatever this number, and that's like the name, their name, their profile name. I just wanted to say that real quick because we just got another dude that's raising our channel right now trying to scam y'all get you US credit card numbers. So don't do it. Just if you win something from us, which we're gonna actually do a giveaway pretty soon. Uh we will announce it on here. So as a podcast listener, just stay stay tuned on our stuff here so that you know if you want. That's right, okay. So uh, speaking of big winners, I thought I was gonna be a big winner this evening and I wasn't. It was the first eating to the hunt. We were driving over to check out a food source that bordered public. Well, we're driving along and we've got a youngster eyes in the back seat. All right, Michael has got just I don't know if they have a lot of carrots in Ohio. There's a lot of how much people there, so I know they grow a lot of different things. But his eyes are good, okay. And we were driving along and joke you made this morning and was so good. And by the way, what was it, I don't remember. It wasn't like bad, It was just you know, specific, specific to the situation. Yea makes sense. Well, um, he does like three head whips, and you know when a person has three head whips, it's like he's really trying to get his eyeballs on something. And then after the third one, he looks at me and says, there's a dry barking and uh. We drive back and forth like four times trying to figure this thing out. And Michael wasn't sure it wasn't a decoy the first time he saw it, because it was so decoy esque. But it was a giant buck. It was a ten point with short g G four is in kind of a tight tall rack betted right, beside the road on public so our whole plan for the evening completely changed. And um then we decided to stalk this thing for like two hours and never see it again. Uh So, I don't know if he finally spooked or if he just left or what, but we spent a lot of time trying to do that. And it was one of those things where we all looked at each other after it was over and we were like we had to try it, like you can't just not right. Uh And I felt pretty good about it because we had good wind, it was still sunny, like you didn't have me reading the reason to leave, but he he did at some point in time. Uh So we didn't have a great evening there because we just kind of went up somewhere in glass kind of close to the road and I saw some deer but nothing crazy. Next morning and we go in and sit over our water hole again, but we decided to dive off in and Michael is glassing and filming from up high, Greg and I are down on the water hole. Uh And we got some hand signals worked out to where if Michael sees something before us, he's gonna, you know, give us a signal. Or whatever. Well, he didn't really see two offul much down there in front of us, and I think he's as sleep some. But um, we all we didn't have much right there in front us. But we did hang a trail camera before we left, a multrily cell camp, which is pretty sick to have in that situation. Man, water holes are like the best for cell camps, man, like up to the minute information and it's what helped me kill the deer in Oklahoma too, right, Like, Um, I will be honest and tell you that, Like there's a way to misuse the cell camera and something that I don't think it's very right to do. But if you're gonna be trying to check cards often anyways, it's just taking some workout of it's all it's doing, you know, Like it's just making it to where you don't have to go in there and mess stuff up. Now, if you are trying to like sit in your house and watch college football and check the camera and see at the bucks back there so you can shoot him, it's probably not a nice thing to do. Pretty good for harvest and baking that way, Yeah, you know, hogs and deer have a different ethos scale I would say, you know, I think most people would say that they versus non native. That's why brown trout aren't worth anything route check them, and most rainbow trout the truth and a lot of brook trout trying are all messed up, dude, like unless you're Mark Kenyon and then they're just trouting, so you don't where about it. Just look kind of different colored. Um that's where him and old are a lot different. So uh that in the proper use of the word to Uh. Yeah, he ain't listening, so it don't matter. I will clown him all I want to. Uh So Um anyways, uh, that morning, we meet back up with Michael after kind of a slow more and he says, hey, man, I saw some bucks over here on this hill, so uh, Greg and I get up high and kind of glass around and figure out where those bucks are and make a stock And on the way in we get the wind right, you know, gonna do this big old jay hook thing like we're bucks heading to the bedding, but we're nut bucks where people trying to kill the bucks. And we see a prairie wolf see coote out there, and I remarked the coyote, and so does Greg and we just kind of say, huh, hope we didn't mess us up, and just kinda laugh about it. Well, then we uh go on up and crest the top of this hill. And while they are two beautiful, glorious bucks standing in the sunshine, eating, browsing and sparring a little bit and make it a bunch of noise and not even pay attention to me and Greg, and we're like, oh, my goodness, were about to shoot one of these things. So they're both equal in size, but one is larger in stature. Um oh, both like I don't know, probably one thirties ten points, but one is a little bit bigger body. And it's the closer one. The ones the eighty and ones at sixty And I've been practicing pretty good man. And here's the deal. If you're out there hunting the open country stuff, you can't be just thinking that you're gonna have the fourteen yard chip shots all the time. You know, like we are not in recurve country. If you know what I'm saying that, like, you need to be prepared for some longer shots and you need to decide for yourself. I'm not gonna tell you what it is or isn't. But you've got to decide for yourself what you truly are capable of and what's you're comfortable shooting, because, uh, you need to hunt differently. I would say, if you're a thirty and the n type guy, it's gonna be pretty tough to get that close. You're gonna need to hunt ambush pretty specifically. But if you're trying to hunt spot in stalk, you might have to stretched it out a little bit. Anyways, So all that being said, I felt pretty good at sixty at that point in the hunt for sure. Uh still had all the strings on the bow, you know, all that stuff is in good shape. I've been hammering them, you know, in like a two inch group. At sixty feeling real good. So I'm thinking, I'm about to get a shot on this book. He's walking towards us, not a clue in the world that we were there. I'm set up ready to shoot, and all of a sudden, these bucks turned their attention down the hill, and I'm thinking, oh, maybe I can get a shot because they're not looking at us, Except the attention quickly turns from attention to uh, just prudio spook, and these bucks take off, running as fast as they can up the hill right at us. I panic. I don't know what to do. I've got my slider pin site set it like sixty and then the biggest of the two bucks ends up at like twelve yards. We ranged a plant that was at like twelve yards where he was standing, and he got there so fast that I didn't know what to do. A dream of bow. He saw us, and they both took off and ran. Um Tyler, what is that town that we stayed in, uh in twenty nineteen? Uh In in Iowa? Oh yeah, it was like way out there, right, So these deer ran like a couple of states over. We can see them. They were running so far. Um but uh yeah. So the coloty messes up a real, real bad and and that actually is the first time that a sliding pin site has messed me up. I tend to enjoy that aspect of of on my site, so I don't I don't like the fixed thing. I like being able to dial. But that one did not work out very good. Uh So It's okay, though, because you know, taking a rush shot run a deer sometimes it's the greatest thing I do. Take fast shots pretty often but rushed just different than than fast for sure. That gets us too. Our evening day two, good evening they Uh, we decide to leave the spooky waters and head to the spooky hills. Got in the truck, drove a long ways and UH needed to change the scenery, needed to go do a little hanging, if you know what I'm saying. We Uh we exchanged our walking boots. Actually didn't exchange them. We added to our walking boots with some cruiser saddles. UH hauled off in this piece of public ground long ways left Eric hunting back up front somewhere. Yeah, dude, Eric is here and he also is a tag holder. So we did a little swoopy swappy with UH and Eric got to hunt a little bit that night too. Um he was hanging and banging up their front end. We went back here at the back and Eric also hunted on the front end of this trip too. He was a hunting man. He was more bird watching and bird watching camping. And yeah, I knew ill like dog walking and stuff too. Bootspoking. I think uh people person in meeting guys that were boots spooking just hanging out with folks, right, Yeah, it's being good camp partners. Do you ended up seeing dear after you got down or something? Yes, when I got down early because of what you're about to talk about, I had a dope foreshadow and it's probably after light, but I definitely thought about it. Yeah, but it was definitely after shooting lights. Yeah, probably not business, but yeah, yeah, I understand. Sometimes it's pretty alluring to fling one. I like to fling airs. Man. Well, she was standing there like fifteen yards watching me get all my gear together. I look up and she's just staring at me and stared at me for a long time. Yeah. Well, so Eric hunted, uh early or early in this trip, and then he was hunting this night. When we went in. We were like, hey, why don't you you know we can hunt three people in here. So it's obviously a lot different, not quite as open. There's some trees around different spots, so we can make work different drainages, that kind of thing. So Erica who was gonna sell film, And then uh, Michael got to hop up in the tree with me for the first time this year, and uh the long haired hippies got to spend some time in a tree, uh not far from me, and Michael was a little a little branden, you know, Uh, were worked on our ponies and uh you know, did some hunting. Yeah, and we were texting before, not before, but like during the hunt, Tire and I are close all right, Like we are not far apart. What's like eighty yards probably when you measured it. We're hunting two different trails pretty much like we're not hunting the same deer. It's thick, so it sounds yeah, we're hunting. Yeah, that's right, we're hunting like we don't expect to see the same deer because of the travel patterns. We only saw the same deer a few times. Because it's does being weird and does are weird. But like when we set up, I thought about a lot of things, but I didn't think about how close we were as being a thing that would be a problem. I could never even cross my mind. It's weird, yeah, but we didn't know. We also didn't know where I was going to hunt for sure, because you were there. There's a spot that back in here that I ended up killing before and in this spot, and that's one of us. You were basically like, well, if you don't hunt there, I'm hunting there, and I was like, I go for it because I wanted to try something a little different, and I had some ideas from sitting in there the year before, and I was like, all right, we'll go in here and trying to figure figure out something new. So we all, like the four of us, Michael, Greg and Casey and I all kind of scattered our way in and uh, I kind of once we got in there, we were they were letting me know what they saw, but it was kind of just up to me, you know what I mean to where where the final sit is kind of how we do it. So, um, we work our way back and I'm like, I just want to see a little bit further. No, I want to just see a little bit further because I don't know if this sits up right. And I ended up hunting quite a ways. Uh you know from where I thought I have been. End up that evening we had a big old fat theoretical we've been working on all year about map scouting and figuring out where trails are and all this stuff. And then you show up and the droughts happening and things are not what they used to be. And that's the thing that you have to adjust for right on X is great, but it's not up to the minute. These maps are from a year or two. Three years ago. The cover had changed basically exactly. So with that, Dear, movement patterns change and also the necessity to head to agriculture became even greater. And I think that that's really what we were keying in on there, Yeah, for sure. And so I ended up, Uh, we were looking at a crossing that I thought it was going to be really good. We're dear, We're going up to tag and uh. We ended up splitting up at that point and I was like, Okay, well, we're probably gonna hunt right in here somewhere, but I'm gonna just make sure and uh, and so we uh, we're it in there in case he's kind of getting anxious so he doesn't want to hang out with us anymore. And uh, basically, uh, I was like, hey, do you mind if I leave? And I was like, cool, Yeah, We're gonna kind of look around in here and see what we can make work. And so they walked like literally thirty five yards probably, and I look, I'm looking around. I look over at him and he's like trying to get my attention, and he like points like straight down at the ground, like, hey, you might check this out. So I walk over there and it's the trail, no doubt, Like it's it's the best trail we've seen. And it happens to be the trail that I saw a buck on the year before. And so I when I saw that trail, I knew, like, there's not only is it the best trail we've seen, we did see some pretty good trails, like further down before, like when we first got kind of in there to the world we're gonna hunt. But I was like, this is good and this is where I saw that buck last year. What are the chances? I don't know, but it feels good. So me and Michael they left, and me and Michael got up into a tree pretty quickly, and I think we use like one stick. It was nice um and we ended up hanging out up there and had some deer that came up started coming out fairly early. Yeah, I did not feel very good about the hunt. As weird as that sounds, I think it's because it was hot and I just I was thinking, Man, this is gonna be rough. It's gonna be We're sitting here all evening and we're gonna see deer whenever. It's real hard to shoot because they're just gonna move last lot. And we I think what we achieved is we got remote enough to where um that wasn't the case. But it takes a lot. You gotta go a long ways back and get pretty tight to betting. And I think in that spot, we haven't scouted it a ton because it's hard to get back into and we kind of know how to kill there now, so uh, don't mess things up, you know, just to learn more. Really, but I think we are setting up real close to betting, and we don't really really how close we are. I think you're at I think we I think we are too, and uh and yeah, so I mean we we end up setting up and I knew where you guys are gonna set up. I knew it wasn't that far, and um, so we we get set up and then you text me like how you don't feel good about what's going on and how you just got set up, which actually it took y'all a pretty a while to get set up because the tree that I that I hung in last year and that you ended up hanging in is not the most fun of trees to set up in. It's also a one man tree for sure. Yeah, so it's tough to get two guys up in there. We made it happen. It just took a while and we're trying to be quiet and uh so yeah, because we knew we were fairly close to bedding and the wind's not just kicking and so it's just quiet early season type hunt. So we get in there, we get set up. You text me, you know, don't feel good about it, and I was like, oh, man, I feel pretty good right now. And uh and then you know, it wasn't It wasn't long. And I hear or Michael or one here is some deer moving back behind us, and I was like, hey, you know, get however went He gets a camera on and the does their does and they come out. They're kind of moving fast, like I feel like they're running, but I can't see them. I can just hear them because they're right behind me. I don't want to turn around, and they come around the wrong side of us. They actually come uh kind of more up wind of us. Uh, because the trail that we're hunting, you know, this is the thing about public land is that sometimes you gotta pick a tree you can shoot to the trail from that doesn't impede you and you don't have to saw it down and everything else to get up in it and basically deal like shoot the deer before it gets your wind. And that's kind of where we're at in this situation. Well, these does come out on the up wind side of us a like five yards and it's kind of spooky, you know, and uh then they kind of run off. Y'all see them? You text me, you know what's the deal with that? I was like, I don't know. They were up wind of the something all. They came running through right beside us, and so I think we had another dough do that like not long after that. And then um uh, right before the next deer came out, I think we hear something. And I was like I look at Michael and we have these big eyes and I'm like, dude, was that a shot? And Michael was like, I don't know, but it sounded like it for sure. And the weird thing was like I thought it was a shot, but then I couldn't really tell because it had a different like through the woods. It had a different kind of frequency almost, and like the sound of the two sounds where you would think like shot in the arrow hitting the deer, We're like so far apart. That was like, there's no way that was a shot. It's like somebody like throwing something way back and you know, on private or something like that, you know, and you know, making some weird bounce noise off, you know or whatever. It's so weird, right, So then we kind of thought about that for a second. Well, I hear something and I'm like, hey, you know, um, something else coming. We get ready, get the camera on. I see deer coming out as a small buck and he's on the trail that we set up for. It's just a smuck schmuck uh. And then I see another one coming out right behind him, and I've got my bow in my hand this time. I'm like getting clipped on and it's another fairly small buck. And then I see another some legs walking through like cedars or whatever, and I'm like that it's it's got to be it's got to be a shooter. Like I'm not looking for a giant here, you know what I mean. But it's this three groups or a group of three bucks, this has to be a shooter. He comes out and he's like just a basket eight, and I'm just not gonna shoot him. We're way back in there, you know what I mean. I'm just like, I'm probably not gonna shoot his deer. Like I would be happy in some situations, but this would make for a pretty long night for a deer that you know, frankly, um, I can shoot one. I can shoot several of these throughout the year, you know, and so I uh, I would like I said, I would be happy that. I don't don't let that fool yet. All I love shooting bucks man. It's so much fun. One. But anyway, so they they like are getting the past. Will they walk down this trail and they get like, you know, forty yards from us. Well, they're going to get our wind at forty yards and they do, well, what do they do? Their early season deer um that are also young, They kind of start walking at the smell because they don't know where it's coming from and they're not used to stuff being that far back in there people too much, you know. Well, finally got a shower after like eight days, and so they couldn't smell them very good and uh, anyway, they walk up to like seven yards dude, I'm there so close, Like I'm pretty sure Michael is about to pass out because he's not breathing. He's filming, you know, and he's just concentrated and he's getting this cool footage and he's deer right but right in front of us, dude, and so um, you know, I'm kind of like I think I hung my bow up. They hang out for a minute, they finally leave, and um, basically, uh, while they're there. While they're there, I'm getting texts in my pocket and um, I don't know who they're from. Do you know who they're from? I was using my Soular device to communicate the location of a deer with Tyler. However, deer, so no palms with that. Uh. At six forty five, I looked at Greg and I said, man, it is starting to feel like de your time. Probably need to kind of start getting serious about this, because I was kind of down the dunce. Let's look at my phone board than I should have, and you know, we're just like whatever, Uh, it's dusty and it's hot. But then, like the show starting along, you start feeling better about it and then at six until that to Greg and not literally, I mean it was within a minute. I feel like this buck pops out all uh years before when Tyler's deer also came out in the same exact place, but it didn't do exactly the same thing. He worked a tree line and instead of coming to the base of the tree, he stayed as far away from the trees he possibly could. And that's why Tyler heard the sure as far apart as it was, because I had to do uh some interesting things. It's the longest shot I've taken out of a tree. And also I was doing the six o'clock saddle shot out of the x C, which, um, I haven't taken a whole lot of. I've taken a lot of like this, like uh, you know, like eight o'clock to high noons or whatever out of a saddle, but the straight up, you know, opposite direction of the tree is something new for me. But I got in that position at full drawn, I was like, man, it feels pretty good. I think I think I can do it. And I arranged the deer and um, he's moving real slow and he's kind of meandering, eating, browsing around on stuff. So I know I'm gonna get like a very calm, standing still shot if I'm just patient. Arrange Bush is at forty eight where the trail he's walking, So I'm dialed to forty eight, ready to go, and uh um he stops. I anchor in and I'm like, oh my god, guess and uh sque he's often absolutely smoking, and he runs like thirty yards and then trot's like another ten and stands there and then stumbles and gets up and then falls right there, just like inside. And it just felt so good, and I was stoked man to go back in there. And he's not a giant, but he's a great buck, especially after the way that hunt felt like a struggle. I was telling you this the whole time. We're like we were on bucks, but it felt like I was struggling at the same time, you know, because I was just almost having to force the encounters to make them happen, you know, as opposed to letting the deer come by you. So I was elated to have put this deer on the ground, just to say the least. And then I'm texting you this stuff and you're not texting me back. I'm like, dude, what is wrong. Tyler needs to like holler at me here what is going on? So Greg and I are having a party in the tree, of course, but we're trying to be kind of quiet, right and uh, because y'all are eighty six yards away, and I'm thinking, well, there's a chance that Tyler shoots one. And at first I'm like, man, I'm not gonna text him because uh, I kind of wanted surprising that we shot one. And then I was like, well, what if um me shooting one changes like what he may or may not do tonight, Like maybe he wants to get down and kill recover this thing right now, or maybe he wants to, you know, I don't know, shoot another buck or something. So I waited about five minutes and it texted you and then you weren't texting back, and I was like, okay, Tyler. Uh, either it's like mad that I'm texting him and like doesn't want to texting the stand because he's trying to pay attention or what a little did I know? Going down? We're lucked down with three bucks right in front of us that were just snoots in the air man and uh. And then when I they left, I pulled my phone out to see what the text is all about. And I had a feeling that at shot we had thought we'd heard was actually from you and not from an any in in a different time zone. And uh we we uh I found out that she shot a buck. She said something like what was that or something? No, he said, uh, did y'all hear that? And I said, uh, yeah, what was it? And you said it sounded like a crash, And so I started celebrating. I was super happy, but at the same time, I was like Dad, going, I wish I had known that, because I smoked that little basket eight at seven yards, you know, just throw patched him like Hunter would probably do, and and uh, you know, had two bucks on the ground, and so I was kind of a little bit like, man, I wish I had known that, And we're just sitting there and uh, all of a sudden, I don't know, it was like I think, I don't know. It was like the same time that there was two messages sent in the same minute, and one of them was, uh, like in regards to you shooting your buck from you, And then the next message was sent in the same minute. Seven you sent me a message that said what was that? Because I was texting you and I hear something. I put my phone in my pocket, start to turn and I see and I tell him, Michael, I think I hear something. And next thing I know, I'm seeing legs under the cedars coming down that same trail, the same trailer it's at twenty eight yards or whatever it is. And um, and so I started to grab my bow and I grabbed my bow and I turned to look at it, and I can't see the bucks antlers, but I can see his belly and I knew immediately he was a shooter when I saw his belly, Like, I knew immediately this was a stud and uh. And then his antlers come out, and I saw that he was like a decent sized eight point, I thought, Um, and his his beams wrap around real far, so like it doesn't look like it has very long beams. So I didn't know how big he was. I just saw that he looked like a shooter eight and that casey hadn't one on the ground. And I was like, I'm about to smoke this deer. So I like, as he's coming out, I draw back and I put my thirty on him, my thirty shoots a touch low and and um, and he walks like seven or eight yards and stops just natural his head up looking, and I shoot in it. The arrow like disappears behind my pen like as good as I've ever done it, you know, and he goes running off um and actually, um, you know, it's just spring. I mean, like I smoked him so good. And he makes this big loop and comes back around and probably ends up just falling out like I don't know, maybe eighty or a hundred yards from me, Max and just we watched him pretty much fall right there, and we started celebrating. Dude, it was a party. And then I see my you know, Phil a text and I look at it and it's literally in the same minute that you were texting me about your dear and it says, what was that because you had heard me shoot? And so I said, I think I called you. And it was hilarious because I was on the phone with you and me and Michael could hear you through the woods. This as good. It's like, hey, just it was so funny and I had a feeling. I don't know why, but I had. I probably told Greg pretty quickly. It's like tash on a bigger deer an idea. I just knew it, dude, I knew it. I knew, I knew. I didn't know how big. He's pretty sizeable. It's you're considering putting him on the wall. Yeah, I got him keeped out for sure. So he was in my cooler and then now he's in my freezer. I've seen him quite a bit. He's big. Yeah, that's a good deer. Yeah, but it was shot cool to hear that, not mean. Yeah, I was very happy in mine. Like I said, he's kind of a funky rack eight point you know, and uh, I hate it. Don't hate it, dude, No, I just your buck is big and like cool and got a weird brow tign and like we would be partying so hard. We did, but like we but I felt like, I, you know, kind of stole your thunder whenever we went over and found my dear. It's just the lightning in the thunder, you know what I'm saying that we go over there. But it was I can't replace the opportunity to like both shoot a buck on Bubba. Yeah, it was in the gonna be a sick way to start this series. So it's gonna be really cool. Sorry, I don't get to see that footage for a little while yet, but it'll be Yeah. I got through that in there. Eric and Michael, Yeah yeah, Eric and Michael actually brought us pizza back there, brought us pizza. We ate pizza before we clean our dear. It was just the best night, dude. It was. They packed pizza away in for us. How is that too large? Was it was? It? Would you pack it like that again? And then you wouldn't put in a zip block or anything back? I think it was easier to carry two boxes. I feel like, I don't know, do you want to handle my server with a tray or whatever? Once I got there? Yeah, yeah, funny pizza is a weird thing, man. People just think that, Uh, pizza is easy to make, but it's real tough, you know, it's a tough thing to deal with hours. Yeah, it's these guys. These guys produced it so quickly. They were champions. They were thankful for it. Eric after that quickly switched rolls into a hunter, right and uh, because you're you're like, do the people know that you are still after your first archery buck? I don't know if they do, but you're after your first Archer book, Eric has laid down the footage a lot on some big deer. He knows what it's like to be close to big deer. Uh, it's pretty fun. Yeah. Wait, I think that we've talked about this stuff quite a bit because we did some podcasts whenever you first started hanging out with us about stuff and um, but so like you kind of sacrificed some of your they're all last year. Really you're hunting to be with us and um, you're an adult hunter, right, so you don't hut growing up as a kids. You don't have a ton of years. I thought you were saying it was like not a kid. I am, he's not a kid, but still single ladies. Um, so I think it's because we keep him out of town all the time. They don't have time to catch up with him. But you're trying, you're after trying to kill your first buck, and apparently you don't want it to be a medium one. You're chasing big ones. Because after Eric, after the pizza not and the three thirty a m s, what happened? Well, you guys left for South Dakota. Me and Greg stayed back and uh man all the hunts are kind of running together. But I remember we went back to where you guys killed actually, and that's where we ran into another hunter. And that night just kind of blew up, and we didn't see anything that was awesome, does right, I don't think we did. We didn't see anything. I'm sorry. Yeah, thanks for sending me there. I love it for you. Yeah, that's what it was. Don't worry. Everybody be there next year too. And then we went somewhere try to make this quick because you know, no one was to hear, and and then I didn't kill at least story. But I can't remember where we went the next morning, So the next morning would be the one that we know, because uh oh, I know where you went. You went to the other windmill spot that I had sent you, right, and you all had a spoke get or something like that was in the evening. So the next morning I can't remember where we went and probably didn't see anything. But the next evening we did go to that spot, and that was a cool spot because there's a lot of alfalfa around plus that pool and it seems secluded like back where it was, so it seemed good. But then last light came out and we saw I think Tuto come out and then a little spike and I told Greg is like, I'm gonna shoot the spike, and like he kept wanting to come to the pool, and each time he took a step closer. Me and Greg we're just getting amped up, like yeah, yeah, let's go, keep coming, keep coming because there's only like ten minutes of light. List We're trying to like I know that, like hopefully he gets here, and all of a sudden he just like it takes off running to the east for whatever reason. It wasn't because he was spooked or anything. He just decided to go sprint and so it didn't happen that a little bucks are kind of like does yep, they do weird things, not very predictable. Sometimes. On our walk out though, I mean Greg were walking out and we spotted eyes like fifteen yards from us. End up being that spike just bedded there. It was weird. It didn't shoot him not. Then it was funny because I had my head headlight on and Greg had his red light on and Greg said he probably thought we were a car. But then the next morning was when you had yes. So we went to the water tank that you guys saw bucks come to and you actually sat up on it one day but didn't see anything. Is that right? Yes, well that's today. We stalked him up in the hills later, so none came to the actual water like we'd planned, but they came to they were up in the hills. So we did the same thing. Sat in your exact spot and U which is a right handed spot. It's a right handed spot. It is. You wouldn't think that because it's just you know, a patch of grass, but the way it sets up, it's definitely better for variety. But we're sitting there. We got in there early, and uh, once you get there, it's pretty spooky because you're sitting right on the water tank. I mean, once they come, they're gonna be in your face. It's awesome. And so we're sitting there, it's starting to get light, and I think Greg even said like this is about the time they came out the other morning, and like it was probably a minute or two after that. Greg spot's a really big buck and he's like I can't see him because there's a patch of grass between me and him, and Greg's just like stand up and uh, arrange them and shoot him. So I start to get to do that, and he I finally start to see him, and he's like fifty yards away and he's going away. He's going and uh, I start to stand up, and then Greg's he's another buck. He's like another buck, another buck, and it's coming to the water tank. So I sit back down, and I think that buck saw me move a little doing that, because he locked up and was just looking at me and Greg and uh, he just stared us down for a good five minutes or more, and then a small buck came in front of him, came up to smucks many more caffeine. They're not they're not scared of anything, because he just he came right up to the water tank and I mean he was in our face, just getting a drink. And then really yeah, he went. He went from trying to shoot spikes to pass and well when you have you have two big bucks near you, I mean, I mean, and so he comes and goes, and the other one still staring at us. But finally he like, he's like, I don't think that's anything. He starts coming in and uh, like you said, this is set up for a right hander. So We had this plan that they were going to come from the northwest and once they got to this solar solar panel, I could draw then and shoot in the little lane that you created. But they came from the southwest, the total opposite side, and he ends up walking in like the one shooting lane I have and gets to that solar panel, and that's when I drew and I lean up, and then there's another buck behind me, apparently, because as soon as I lean up he takes off. The other small buck that came in takes off, and that big it's just sitting there staring at me, like fifteen yards and my bows in the shooting lane that you created, and I try to get over on them, but I'm like catching on grass and stuff and just totally miss my shot. And it's just like stuff like that. It's so much like hindsight twenty like it's just what can I do different next time? And all those thoughts started going through your head, So I think next time, I probably just wouldn't even shoot. And then maybe he spooks, goes out to forty or something, turns back because he didn't know what we were. He just knew something ad was about that, so that was neat and then uh sat there for like thirty forty is crying and then end up seeing two others, especially me. I saw two other bucks come over a hill about a few hundred yards away. And this is our last morning there before we have to go up South Dakota to meet with you guys. So it's like, let's go, let's make an aggressive push on the east deer and ran over there to the top of the hill because they went down in the bottoms where there's cat tails. We got up there and just put some eyes on them and we couldn't see anything and try to do a little wind bumping to see if they went down in the cat tails, and the only thing that came out was two doughs. Apparently Greg almost stepped on one because once we got down in there, like we did that and went down and talk to Greg and we're talking and then Dote just like pops up out of the cat tails right next to us. Uh. We're going back to the water tank though after that to get our things and get out of there. And and we walk like fifteen yards from this bush and two different bucks jump up and take off running. Wait, so you were fifteen yards froals dear when you jumped close and they didn't want to shot him on the run. I mean, I thought about it. I don't know, is that what you're supposed to do. You gotta put away in front of them, though, So they run up to the top of this little hill and look back at us, and me and Greg get down quickly as they're running away, and they're looking back and they're kind of looking into the sun, so I don't think they got a good glimpse of what we were. And they just sat there again and looked at us for like five plus minutes. I bet I arranged them there just to see what they were. And there at a hern thirty six, which is that the blue that's that's the invisible. Then you lift up a little higher, so they're staring at us, and uh, finally, the smaller one like starts to just slowly trot down the hill away from us, and the big one follows, and I knew they weren't that bo because just by the way they trotted off. So they take off down this hill and I went full sprint after him. I was like, I gotta try to shoot these things. And it's pretty fast too, oh yeah, I thought it was. So I saw that GoPro or the not the go pro clip, but the clip Greg took. I was like, man, I thought it was a lot faster than you feel me the go pro clip though, it's pretty it's pretty sweet. Uh. So I run after him. I get up onto the hill where the hill that they're standing on, and I get up over it and I see the little one and he's like I range him real quick, and he's at forty three or something like that. I was like, man, I could shoot this thing right now. And so he got behind these bushes and I start trying to tiptoe sand spots, sand spot and uh ended up seeing the other big one and he's already bedded down under a bush and I'm looking pretty much at ninety degree angle from where he's looking, looking into his right eye, and I just see his rack and head and I ranged him and he's thirty eight. So he's shooting range for sure enough. And so I'm kind of caught though, like what to do? And I knew we had to leave soon, and so I knew that, like, man, I can't sit here for another hour or two and just wait for him to stand up, which I probably should have done that, but it's just like so many things are going through your head then, and so I try to get closer to him to like maybe see his vitals and get a shot on him. And I take just like one step to my left and he gets up and they both just run away forever, forever. So there will be a video on that though. The Sunday, that was a big hunt. But as they say, and like, you had a lot of things go on, and that's good. We were talking about that, Tyler after you told us, Uh, would you know what kind of morning you had when you were on the way up. After we got phone, Tyler and I were like, man, Eric and a lot about this morning. And like I got up to Nebraska. I don't remember how many days before you guys, like a week or something, and so I hunted a bunch and like had a rough time of just not seeing deer, and so to have a morning like that, it was pretty fun. Yeah, that's cool. I'm glad you ended it maybe on success, even if you didn't shoot one, Tyler. You and I, uh, congrats on that too. Eric. I know it was a fun morning. You and I did shoot some bucks. And we shot bucks with two different arrows setups, but similar results. We both got full pass throughs with our arrows, right, YEA, you shoot what? I shoot a vector Z E mr UM, which is kind of their lighter offering of the two arrows that they currently have. And uh, so I shot last year. It's actually about I think it's gonna be about twenty five grains ladder and when I shot last year, I'm right at close to five hundred, maybe just slightly under um. And I'm using a D five grain uh biggest three bay mechanical I can find pretty much, it's pretty well made. And I had a pass through stuck in the dirt my dear with the same mechanical and had to pass through stuck in the dirt. But I'm using an h MR and I actually used the I think we both do. We have the new fletchings on our arrows. Vector has kind of gone to an A E fletching. It's quieter but still just as stable, and I really really like it, and uh like the way it performed. So I'm shoot a little bit heavier. Aric's got zmrs to I believe, right, And uh, they treat just pretty nicely. They're pretty good arrows. Pretty cool to be able to just punching some numbers. You get them set up exactly to your specs. 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