00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler and this is Casey, and you're listening to the Element podcast tune. I don't think what's happening on my woods People today. Casey and I are really wishing we were taking naps separately, separately, but we wish we were taking naps. That's why it's nap squirrel together. It's not a napp's when it's naps, that's right. So uh yeah, we're tired. So I'll just be honest with you right now. This is the hardest thing we've done all day, being fun on a podcast. I don't know, dude. I sit in the back seat with friend Brian's kiddo, and he's a real sweet kid, but he was touting and it was so bad. Brian's gonna be laughing about that. Yeah. I didn't spell nothing, man, I sure wouldn't you. I'm sure it's like one of them things where you just you know, yeah, like, hey kid, look, let everybody know it wasn't me. It was Yeah, that's funny, man. But we've been out doing some hog prep. Yeah hip as they'd say, which is probably not good. H yeah yeah see ye see yea. Yeah. So um, I mean, I don't know where else's podcast right now? I don't know us to say on this podcast. Guys, if you have been watching, we actually released a really cool video about some pig hunting this week. Um, it's cool. You gonna know how cool was to other people. But that's all I care. Really, Well, that's some people say, it's pretty cool. Yeah, we've we've we've heard from folks. So, um, anyways, gonna watch that if you haven't. Actually are friends over at Moultrie uh mentioned that they thought it was really cool. He was real hiph and um, they've got some cool hog content coming out, so you should definitely follow them on Instagram. And um, the Multrie cell cameras that we've been using have been a big part of us being able to uh figure out when them hogs are around so that we can go to stocking them, which is the hardest part but also the funnest part. Yeah, and if you see us on their Instagram, be sure and tell them how much you appreciate them having the element guys do stuff for him. Yeah yeah. Um, right now you're looking at the Multramobile app and it is full of whitetail deer, full of how excited to not very this is not this is the first time you've ever not been excited about getting a deer on camera. Probably. I can remember days on Texas Public whenever I check a camera like, oh cool, does you know, like you remember that feeling? I was like, dude, we might we might see some does tonight. That's awesome. It'd be cool, man, be good to see some deer. Are you gonna hunt Texas Public this year? Yes? Yeah, I am. You do think so quite a bit. I know you've been down on it. I don't know if I'm gonna hunt the property that you're thinking about. I'm gonna hunt all over the country, the state Texas Public. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna burn all my points everywhere. Yeah, um matt or not Mattador. Probably, I'm gonna hunt all the hunts of Mattador. Quail. You know they shot like thirteen quail out there this year. Yeah, gosh, that's probably like two more last year. Hunh that's probably good. You know, point what like point one seven per hunter or something like that. It's not bad, man, man, I don't know. There's some there's some experienced things to be said about quail hunting, right, But when I go for a small game. I'm trying to shoot a bunch of them. I want to eat. I want to eat. Yeah, that's a big part of the small game thing for me. Like it's fine to go out and do stuff, but like I finally go walk in the woods. I don't need to be traveling out to Elephant Mountain or something like that. It's a um, it's a pretty primal thing inside you to say, all right, risk versus reward. I'm gonna go deer hunting, and if I don't kill it a year, but once every ten times, it's pretty good payoff. I'm gonna go quail hunting. If I don't kill it quail, but once every ten times, that's a tiny payoff, tiny, especially when gases as high as it is. Yeah, I'll tell you what, y'all know that you give me running everywhere with your head forward, I feel like quail. I feel like bobele ats run with their belly forward. Yeah, the blues run with their head forward. I would like to shoot some of those gambles quail. Yeah, and that what they're called. There's some gambles um, one of those ones that are in New Mexico that we saw. There's gambles and there is learns. Yeah, it learns as the ones I want to shoot. Uh, I'm all about shooting something new. You know. Gambles is known as a calf on your quail. They're the same thing. Are they two different deals? I think it's the same. There's two different like lobed quail is burn's one of them. I don't know. I thought they were the ones that looked like clowns. They look kind of like a Bible white but different but different. Yeah yeah, um yeah, I don't know. Um yeah, I'm the same way though, you know with the quail, like, come on down, I'd like to shoot some Yeah, that's I think that's why one of the reasons I don't duck hunt that much, because I shot pretty much all the ducks that you can shoot around here. It's like, I don't know whatever, if I kne where there's a poem with some cinnamon teal on them, I might be trying to get off over there. You know. Yeah, they so my you know, my wife's family that hunts a lot. They shot, Uh, they had a pawn down there in South Texas that had a bunch of cinnamon on it, cinnamon teal on it, Yeah, dude, and they just got like I got I think they got them all abount it. I mean there's like cinnamon teal lane all over the floor in their house and potry Fami of this is a Cinamon teal family. Yeah. Pretty. I was at the zoo the other day and there was some other type of weird teal at the zoo that looked like probably like an Argentinian or whatever. It was like, it looks like a cinnamon but with just a big black body part to it or something. And I was like, man, is this real or is this like a you know how like a paking duck or something. Is you know what I mean? It's like, is this just like a or like a white turkey? You know? Is this like a really a species or is just just a thing? Are you saying all these white turkeys that get posted online or not actual albino? I don't know. It seems as if that's become a popular thing to see in the woods. It's a white turkey. Yeah, And I'm not saying turkeys canon trades days, uh and uh. At Pilgrim Farms over there in Mount Pleasant, lots of white turkeys ties in too. For sure, that's up in broken bow. Uh so maybe that's where we should go trying to kill white turkeys. I think we should. Yeah, I'm all about I tell you the turkey stories of the day that I heard we got church. He said that his buddy raised to eating turkeys, which probably were white turkeys. I met. He said, Uh, you're supposed to take him into the butcher between like eight and ten weeks, and said he went like a little long on it. I don't know how long, but he said the turkey's dressed over fifty pounds each. Oh my goodness. Yes, how old were they I don't know, but I'm guessing twelve or thirteen weeks in eight In twelve weeks they grow to fifty pounds. So this is one of those deals where it's heard it from a guy who heard it from a guy, right. But I'm assuming the guy at church wasn't lying to me from his information, so at least there's only one chain of events right there for it to be wrong. I mean, that's cool. I know. I'm thinking, like, we could either drive Tennessee bring home fifty pounds of turkey total, or we can raise two of them. He said that when he got him back from the brook. The butcher he had to or he had one of those white iglue ice chests and he couldn't close lead on it. How suckers there? I don't know, dude. Man, you have to have a hogpen, double axle trailer. I don't know what I'd be into that. Dude. Can you imagine if wild turkeys are that big? Yeah? I told my wife, I don't know if I should say this actually, but chi No, it's not it's not her that I don't want. She's going to get some chickens here soon. She's been too, so there might be some other birds end up on the property too, But we'll just have to see. I don't know if they sell them we're going, but I wouldn't mind. I don't mind hunting some domestic and stuff sometimes. Yeah, you know, whatever, how long does it can't stay out there before it becomes feral? I mean, if I feed it every day, does it is it fairl or wild? Or I mean feral or the mesqu you feed the deer every day? Yeah, here's what gets weird. How many of them people that are claiming the organic fed this that and the other, or feeding things corn lots is not organic lots lots. There's a there's like a there's like a tree of like has to be three times removed or something to be truly organic or something. Really Yeah, I don't know much about that. You've been studying poofas and stuff. That's right, man, Supposedly pork um pen raised pork is doesn't qualify as seed oil for you because of how bad pork diets are. That makes sense, makes sense to me. So that bacon got seed oil open? Yeah, right, I love dude, it's so tasty. But we've been shooting some wild porkers here lately, right, Yeah, not a organic, but yeah, hashtag you that those are pretty tasty. We've been seeing some round pigs the other day. We've been at this for a while, right, and this we got a couple of properties that we have permission to go hunt on. We've hunting our own properties, but there's just one south of where we live that we got permission on. It's pretty cool. It's a neat place. Um, it's got a lake on and stuff, you know, and a lot of timber. And we've been putting out corn trying to kill pigs out there, and they've proved to be a little bit difficult because we've only actually shot pigs once. Right after out there, Yeah, after all the stalks and doing different things and this and that and the other. Basically had two failed stalks in the month of March and one successful one. And then we also went out in late February with all the guys and got carted around and didn't really have any encounters. Off Tyler, pigs are stupid. Why can't you kill him easier? Well, it depends on who you're talking to and how stupid they are. I'm being I'm being the general public here when I say that they are not stupid. They're actually really smart, smarter than deer. But people may not give them credit for being that because dear have this whole like, oh, the big buck he's gonna he's gonna see you one time and he's never gonna be here again. But the pig is more apt to do that, I feel like than a big old buck. Um. We have we've had some some issues. I mean, there's been a big boar that you, you and I have tried to get on several times, and um, he he will go dark for a while if we mess him up. And currently I don't think we have any daytime of him anymore. We haven't shot at him or nothing, and we just been walking down the road pretty much and he saw us. Yeah, man, that it's weird. How like there's like this kind of back and forth thing of one pig is less eyes and ears, but at the same time, one pig, if you booger that one pig, it's like they're buggered, Whereas like if you booger a group, there's just one pig in there, and they're so group they have so much group mentality that like sometimes their opinions get over ridden, I think, and every all the pigs end up coming back to the corner, even though that one pigs being weird. Yeah, yeah, I think. I wonder if there's also like this concept, like we said, if we're talking about how smart pigs are, that like a big old boar is like, Okay, I gotta take care of myself. It's kind of like you know with the buck, Like the big old buck he has to kind of rely on himself to take care of himself. But you get a you spook a dough and she's gonna flag and stand around so everybody can see that there's something going on, and she's gonna let everybody know before she runs off that there's something bad. It's like with the with the Big Pig, the same deal. It's like he's gotta he's probably real spooky and in the group mentality they start getting in there and eating corn. It's just like so much noise. Yeah, they're just you know, they're in heaven. The night that you and I were there together trying to get a double shot and we end up not getting any shots, there was like this just pig. I just smoked his laptop with a water bottle. Uh, there's yeah, yummy. There's this pig festival going on, like mama's and babies and then just female sales and then boards that are fighting each other and chasing sales around. It's like a whole like that's what I'm looking for here, like pig interaction thing going on. Words is probably not a good one. Um. It's just like it's like a microcasm of like everything that happens in the pig's world is going on right there. So I'm running around and it's pretty cool to watch because those boards would like kind of go out and flank the seals and bring them back in, you know, and um, and then I think a couple of times we got picked off of one of those boards and they just didn't care, you know. They white leg That one white leg pig got us for sure. And then he was like, whatever, I smell this sound in front of us, Right. They pigs are kind of so they just are working with a different set of um like strengths when it comes to a hog. They can smell really good or they use their nos as really well, let me say it that way in case some of y'all are making jokes. Uh, So a hog sense of smell is really really good. Their sense of hearing is probably on par with the deer's. Their sense of sight is probably nowhere near a deer or a human. Uh, it's still not it's still existent. It's not non existent. Right. So like, um, if you're wearing earth tones and you're being and still on a windy day, you can about in your walk up to them within reason, right, you can't get much closer than forty yards, you know, out in the open. But so that's kind of how we play our stalks. Um, use the terrain and use the vegetation around and stuff to kind of try to get close for whatever. Yeah, that's I mean, that's that's the kind of the key is like it because they can't see real well. If you can just break up your outline, you usually can get pretty close. But if you're gonna be down the road or something. And we got picked off several times and roads man, you know, yeah, especially if that's sand is white and your legs be moving on that. Yeah, we got picked off. Uh the day that we killed right next to a cedar tree. But we're trying to get out from the cedar tree to get footage and also to try the double shot thing, and uh, we got picked off there and they spooked like three different times. Right, tell you what, it doesn't matter if it's a geck that you're trying to catch outside for your kids or a big mature white tail bugg. There's two things that will give you away as a human. That is a head sticking up above shoulders, and that is being bipedal. You know, two legs moving, that's right away. Things are like uh yeah, yeah, I ain't doing that, and then they're gone because they see sasquatch so often he eats. He eats most of those animals. Yeah, I mean he's I don't know if they see him or not, though he might just get Yeah, he's pretty effective. If they're in front of a trail camera, then they don't see him because he's there on while they hang out front camera so much. That's exactly it's a dead zone for saswatch. It's kind of like, you know, like in a residential area, you know, the deer know exactly where the humans should be. So the same deal with the sasquatch man. But yeah, that the video was really cool. If you got to watch it, um and you liked it, thank you, Thank you for watching it, And I hope that you did like it. I've really been trying. Casey and I both have merely been focusing on like what this is stuff you may or may not care about. But it was like, what, like, how can we produce the like content better that you like better? You know what I mean? It's like, how like the people that are listening to this podcasts that watch our or YouTube would like to watch better? Like, how can we make it better for you guys the experience of what we do on YouTube. So we've really been working at that really hard. I'm I've worked really hard on this video. Um, we hadn't released anything for almost a month. It is. It was like a few days from being a month, which was nice in a way because it was nice for me not to just be like every day just having to crank away at it. Um took a little time and hung out on spring break on my fam and stuff and that's nice, and UM, you know just kind of like went at my own pace on this thing, and eventually it was like, Okay, it's time, we gotta get this thing cranked out. So but I mean in that same sense, like we're able to do something that hopefully kept your interests and uh gave you a lot to watch. And it took a lot of effort to put together all that video. And you talk about like not st editing process, but actually producing the video walking around and feeding and stuff like. That's one of the things we talked about, is uh, some of the previous videos we've made, it's like an event that we record and then we produce it. And it's quick. When you start streaming together days that happened over a couple of weeks time, it gets pretty tough to lay it all out The timeline. But it's fun. It's fun, and we're gonna continue to do that. Because we actually had a big, long conversation this week about what we should be doing right now. Um, we should be eating she includes backstraps from Eiggs. We decided that we're just gonna stick around and do what we already do and not try to be Mr Roadmasters and trying to go here, there and everywhere. We are gonna do some trucky out next next month, but that's later. For right now, we're gonna try to get some fish and try to shoot some piggies. Um the day that we did shoot UM, Todd and I are both shooting. Just recently I started trying. I'm I'm not sure if I'm gonna stick with this route or not. But Vector is actually launching. I believe you're gonna be able to buy them soon. They're on the website already. Actually, what's called a z MR, which is UM a little bit lighter arrow, not light weight, but lighter than those h mrs, the hammers. The ZMR. Uh, they can make them pretty light. I'm shooting it like four grains with a h green broad hits so pretty sweet. Um and uh that Honestly, it's a little light for me, but I wanted to try them out because they wanted me to shoot him and mess with him a little bit, so I did. Um and uh I did get a complete pass through on that pig. Also was something that nobody has talked much about, but I'm just gonna say it because uh am that guy. Uh. They have been prototyping some new broad hits as well, so actually they're on the website. I was one of the first people to shoot an animal with the vector broadhead UM, which I have prototypes of course, and uh they're pretty cool. They've been trying to mess with their heat treating system a little bit, and uh, I think these were to a level of hardness that made a little bit of a brittle um, especially on the bleeders. But they've since kind of, uh since we did some R and D and stuff. Gonna drop that down just a little bit and it's gonna be pretty sweet. They're gonna be, uh, you know, kind of one of those premium type broadheads with a con cave blade style, which kind of it's pretty neat. It actually kind of works. Um two direct flesh towards the blade as opposed to pushing it out out of the way. So pretty get oudea, pretty good innovation coming from those guys over there at Vector. So go to their website and check out some of the new stuff the CMR called the flat shooters. Yeah. By now, don't get those little fleshings. Whatever you do, don't get the tines. Get the bigger fleshings. Okay, because the tinies are for target shooting only with field points. Don't do that. They might tell you otherwise, I'm going to tell you, as a guy who hunts a lot, don't shoot the little beef fleshings. That's all right. Um. But anyways, so that's what's going on in the hog hunting world. Flu flus Man. Yeah, is that what you're gonna use this year? Yeah? I think so from my quail on one quail here, quail, you're gonna shoot with your boy. So, um, I thought since everybody was um doing shed hunting stuff lately, that you should definitely give some tips for how to finding You're the only guys found a shed this year on Team Element. How do you find that ship? Oh? I found it next to con We walked to a corn pile and there was ship. I don't mean a cornfield corn pile. We uh, we pile some corn up, put a camera on it to try to get some hogs in there. And don't worry, there's not hogs. There's just a million deer eating in there. And I found the ship right there. Um. So yeah, you were saying that basically you could walk feeder pins and then just make circles that go out to about a hundred fifty yards and if you don't see anything, then you go get Mexican food. That's what I think is the best tactic for funding sheds. In the past. You and I have spent a lot of time actively shed hunting in East Texas, and I think we found one that's pretty good one that one you found over there at Babylon, right, remember that. But otherwise we found a few. It's tough, man, I mean, we found something. They're all been tiny, but we found a few um along the way. Um. And you know a lot of the sheds we find are just walking around hunting or scouting or whatever. I find more ships in the falling in the spring, Yeah, absolutely for sure, especially now if you don't spend any time and the deer was in the springs, right, what's the use right, yeah, um, but I mean, like in all seriousness, if you are shed hunting out throw out. I guess I have one tip that I've been thinking about. I've been seeing a lot of elms that are buttoned right now. What you can do is some times you can find uh sheds around those cedar elm thickets. We've seen it before. I think you found a match set and like a cedar Elm thickett one time, um, but a long time ago. But they they'll go to eating those buds on cedar elm trees. Uh. But if you could find yeah, so you can find ash trees that were budding out heavy big gash trees or small trees ones because big ones are not gonna be in the reach of deer. But even small ones don't have a ton of buds. But um, yeah, I really just like that stuff that is just now budding. Now it's gonna be good. But most of you guys, Oh, another thing is you know around corn, uh we're serious. Um yeah, if you live in a state where you can bait, put some corn out, get the deer coming to where you're at. And it's actually almost too late for that. There's just a few deer still holding, not a lot. We saw a big buck, a big one holding still. Um, so yeah, there's still there's still time. But I would say, yeah, that's kind of um anything that like produced screen asked pretty early on. It's been pretty cold this year, so things are kind of set back a little bit. But overall, like it's just tough in the South. That's really uh. I think that's why people in the South like to turkey hunt so much a lot of times is because, um, they don't really get a shed season. You know, I have a tip and this I know I'm being tongue in cheek with some of these things, but it's I truly do mean it. Like, uh my, one of my best tips for ship hunting is, uh, don't do it on public land in Texas or anywhere in the South. And if you do, don't give up good opportunities to do other things to go shed hunt. Don't burn a day to go shed hunting. Like it's a good way to just feel unaccomplished if you go out there with the intent to scout and figure out a new place to hunt and look on the ground while you're there. Yet it's great, it's good. But uh, if the crop of your boten, or you can take your family to the zoo because it's a nice day, do that and build a little bit of rapport a k. A brownie point or whatever it may be. Because I mean, honestly, guys, like we gotta stop promoting things and hang on, you know, soap box, We're gonna stop promoting things that um people get fired up about going to do and then it's terrible, and then they stop wanting to be in the outdoors because it's always terrible. Right. So it's like, uh, if you were trying to promote like I don't know, say, um, I don't know, maybe chatting to shoot a deer of a certain antler with. You know, if you're trying to promote that all the time, people had a hard time doing that. They may or may not stop trying to go shoot deer at all because they have a hard time finding one of said antler with. And that's just a hypothetical scenario. What they also might do is shoot four of them right next to your property instead of shooting like a couple of baskets or something like that. So that pretty much wiping out the three four in five year old age. No, I think I like, you know kind of what you're saying there, though, Like there's definitely like ways to promote things that are are can be more fun within a certain activity, you know what I mean. So we should definitely think about that. Like the shed hunting is cool when you have a good property to shed hunting, but if you don't have a bunch of bucks around, I mean that gumment. Dude, you're kind of walking in the woods um and like you said, I would rather be scouting, you know what I mean. Like, we find a lot of sheds when we scout, so you know, it happens, But what you're ending up doing is helping yourself next October, you know what I mean. So I mean this time, you're still great for for scouting for deer. I mean I saw scrapes today. It's all rubs today, and and all that stuff. You know. I guess you could say that the whole rut data is still on the ground, right, So instead of scouting in December, where you know three quarters of the rut has already happened, you can wait until now every rut activity out there is over and you've got a pretty good idea of what all is going on, you know, and I don't know, you might learn something a little different. So yeah, uh yeah, make sure you're using your time wisely. Yeah, for sure. Um. So, I guess since we have done so much spotting and stalking on these pigs, um, not just that we did a lot of spotting stalking into your season two. Yeah we did. We did. We had a spotty year, spotty and stalky year. Um, so let's talk a little bit about some of the some of the things we've learned, uh, some of the ideas that we have, some of the thoughts we have after we've done some of this, and uh, what works, what doesn't work? What um may work depending on your style or whatever, some of that kind of stuff. And so, um, you know, do you want to do this just pigs, You want to do an overarching or you want to talk about what Yeah, it could be both. I mean just whatever you kind of feel like, whatever is in your heart, as they say, it's a good place. Let's follow your heart. When who is upon a star? Practice paganism in movies? Oh and well, so you have anything that's in your huge or not, I can talk about this for sure. I mean, I can go if you don't. I just didn't want your heart to pour out how much you hate Disney. Maybe I like Disney sometimes. We watched a lot of Disney in my house, but it's usually uh, you know, Star Wars. Um, But why when Woo is now Disney? Actually? Really yeah, I think it may have always been, but just not in that Uh. Mickey still Winky's my least favorite for sure, But why I got an idea, it's just lame, dude, I don't know. Nickey Mouse is just kind of like man. Yeah, I like Donald Duck. I feel like Mickey's a lot like KYI to me. Yeah, although like Mickey and Donald both have their girlfriends always. It's kind of weird. But um, they ever get married? Do they? They do not? So how weird is that? Um? Also, Donald Duck doesn't wear pants, but when he gets out of the shower he wraps the tower on his way, So what is that about? Right? So? Um? Anyway, spotting stalk um, I would say that, uh for pigs lately, that's been one of the things that has been you know, pretty important to us. Um when you do it with two guys, Uh, spotting stalking that is Uh, don't look like that. I didn't look at you. I didn't look at you. You Ergie Els or whatever. You need to reduce that, Mark Kenyon, of course, but you need to reduce your profile. UM. So of course kneeling or crawling like we've been doing some of is important. But one of the things that UM can't be not people I know. Uh. One of the things that people I've hunted with lately don't understand is that when you walk shoulder to shoulder, that's double the dude out there, you know. Uh, And that's something that's super important. You have to make sure that, um, you like are showing the least amount of person to an animal's pod. The other day, Oh, you and I go back and forth with this, right, But the other day, UM, the one time I'm thinking about at least UM, I was behind you and just kind of pretty much just sticking my eyes right above your cap line so I could see what was going on. Know you were down. I was uphill behind you. You were I think you were on your knees kind of scooting forward. I was kind of doing the duck walk behind on you. I had all the fans because it was cold. Um, I couldn't see what's going on. But you do have to be careful about that. Speaking of you couldn't see what's going on, Uh you were. We're both like arrows knocked ready to go. Uh the guy behind. First of all, the guy in the front has to have like a pretty good faith in the guy behind him that he's not gonna just shelly him in the back of the broadhead. Um. But secondly, the guy behind you really got to make sure that broadhead is like sticking out away from both of you. Um So stick it back towards your cameraman. That's right, he's that lends in between you and him. Uh. So that would be my thing, is to reduce your profile as much as possible when you were spotting stalking an animal. That's a good one, man, Thanks like it. Um here's another thing. You know what, Actually I may be weird on this, um so on this so, UM, I I may have like an an actual um like higher aptitude to see everything that's going on, not necessarily than you, but just like then the average person. Um because of sports maybe, but my dad said always been like this, um like more than he was. And my dad played college football. Um. But like I had to read four receivers at one time a lot of sometimes you know, at two for sure, at pretty much every play and so among other things. So like seeing a bunch of things, like I'll be shopping with my wife and Walmart and I I mean I see everything. She'll just stop in front of people everyone and not see him kind of you know. I don't know if that's a woman thing to do or not, but like it's definitely like I see people in all time running into each other, and I'm like I never have the issue of like, oh sorry, I didn't see you there, you know. Um So, anyway, I think one thing when you're stalking a lot of pigs or even like lots of deer, right maybe, but like definitely in the pig situation, because they're up there feeding, they're moving, being able to see if any pig is looking at you at any random time is key. Uh. Brian called me out on the blue shirt, and I'm gonna call him out right now because I know he's listening. Um, Brian moved his head when I had the blue shirt. That's what. I don't know if that's what the pigs aw. I'm not gonna say that you say it, so we'll go with it. Here's what I think if you want, I mean, the blue shirt got us looking God, I'm looking at Yeah, that's what it was. So but you'd like to wear off colored things stalking pigs, I think you just like to challenge. I didn't. I thought I was gonna be wearing a jacket that day. And he got hot when I got out of the truck. So but yeah, So really what it boils down to is like if you can if a pig is looking at you, you can't move like they're going to see the movement, you know what I mean. But if you stand still, like you can get away with a lot on pigs man, you can be the big dark circle in the road and not get caught if you're not moving. So that's I guess. A tip that I have is, you know, don't uh, don't like zone in on the big board that you're looking at, make sure you see them. All. That translates to deer two as well, because um and elk. I can think more of a elk example than that, but like I can remember, like that big elk in the HeLa uh, there was a time when like I thought about maybe trying to move or whatever. But his cow was in my periphery and I knew that she was also just staring me down. And you know, like you can get away with something with a bull, but if his cow leaves, he's gone, Yeah, like he has no reason to be there, So don't do that. Yeah, that cow is so close to she's like fieen yards. I think I can't even like imagine it because I was so zoned in on him, but I know she was like kind of right there on on my left. I remember when he left, I looked over and she was still standing there, looking right at us at fifteen yards. Dude, like over and oak bush. She yeah, gosh, just spooked city. Uh what else? Spotting stalk? I think moving slow, which kind of goes along with what you're saying there, But it is a different thing because the approach is much different than like the uh uh, the subtle movements of like trying to get the shot off kind of like what you were talking about. Right, So, um, my Kansas deer this year spot and stalked to that deer um and didn't spot him until we were like forty five yards away. But I kind of knew, like there was a habitat pocket and I should be looking down in there. Um. But if I had just been blowing through there because I didn't see you know, i'm doing air quotes, but I didn't see any deer, then I would have just spooked him up and we'd be like where the deer come from? You know, one of those type of things. But because we were moving slow and I was using my you know, my gift of really good vision, I was able to pick this deer out of the shadows and saw a main beam down in the shadows, um, you know, kind of below us, and I was able to put a stall talk on them. And if you move too fast, you're gonna miss things like that. Um, don't get again, don't get too caught up on the goal of you know, we're gonna stalk up here to this corn pole and shoot the pigs that are there. You know if sometimes if you're eight yards out, the pigs haven't made it to the corn yet, and there's sixty yards in the corn and then they're right there beside you, and you didn't really realize that because they're just betted or whatever, you know, so slow movement, uh, and just being methodical really is probably the thing, right, Like it's again being aware of your surroundings, but kind of in a different sense. Let's talk about this. What how do you draw on a group of pigs when you get ready to draw them and you've been spotting and stocking them. Um, so that always gets us caught somewhat, but still um, you and I were talking about this in the yard the other day. Um, I'm blessed and you are too. Um that we are like pretty strong guys. Uh me upper body heavy for sure in strength, but like I can pretty much draw my bow without causing too much of a ruckus. I can draw my my my really using my strings straight back and anchor and not move hardly at all, and in three quarters of a second shooting an Oklahoma bug the front and riding back where you want to do. There's no reason to stay drawing any longer than you have to be your peep straight to your eye. But it really is a thing where, um, you don't want to jerk because that causes like a fast movement, but you also don't want to do this like this target shooter draw is what I would call it, where like you kind of go up and pull down and then settle like that's really not a hunter's draw, and a lot of people do it, and I understand some people have to do it because not everybody is blessed with the upper body is supposed to be really, it's supposed to be better for your shoulders and let see the long term or something like it. It gives you less of a chance of injuring your show. My days of like heavy bench press also probably weren't good for my shoulders, So I'm thinking I don't think the bow is really the problem. So uh, also, weighted dips. I'm probably never doing weighted dips every again. Yeah that sounds bad, yeah, surprisingly because my back was always weak. Yeah, it's all about triceps. Yeah he's right. Yeah, I didn't have like rage or triceps, but they were strong. But anyways, I think that that is the key is um and that's something you can work on. You know, if your guy doesn't have a lot of upper body strength, you don't need to go do a bunch of curls and stuff like that. But like when you're in the yard, work on drawing your bow as smoothly as possible straight back. That helps with deer too. I mean, if you can point that arrow at the deer draw straight back unless he's you know, got you pinned already, He's not gonna see a lot of movement in his perof real vision, right you're yeah, because you're pulling straight away from him. There's no like side to side movement or not much. Another way you can kind of strengthen yourself for that is to pick up any chainsaw that's not brand new and go to try to make it work. Yeah, or just have the starter go out on your foiler and then you have to use a pool coarter com um. So I one thing that So we we busted pigs when we went to do the double draw the other night, and uh, I pulled back pretty fast, and I was like, I think that was the wrong leaf I did. I think it's the I think it's okay for me to do when I know a buck's not looking at me, and you know, the bucks by himself away. You get it back when you pull a But I don't like it usually works. I mean, it pretty much always works out for me when I do that. But with hogs, like there's always one of them that's got the side eye, you know whatever, and you're good at picking this thing up to that. I haven't really noticed that much, but like a piggle have it's head down to eating, and you know that the pigs still looking at I haven't. I didn't think about that too much with the other day. You're like that one's still still looking at us eating. It's like, you're right, I see it now. Yeah, it's got a different angle on its head or whatever, and it's like and it's facing you usually you know, like it's it's ready to whip out of there. Um. But yeah, so like when we did that, I feel like, hey, I was furthest from the cedar tree and be I was pulling back really fast, and I'm pretty sure like not that you wouldn't have got caught drawing, but I know for a fact they caught me. If they caught any of us, they caught me that on that one. And so we end up moving around the tree getting a better back drawing force and it did work out really well. Um. But I noticed that when you drew the the second time. I was just the camera guy because I was like, well, there's a big one. Let's just shoot it. You know, it's a big, big sour or whatever. I was trying to get that a pig shot with that broadhead. It was kind of the other thing too, to test it. And so um anyway, you when you pulled back, I was like, dangn he freaking knock that out of the park. Like it was just the perfect like you just explained. Man, it's just straight through the arrow, you know, like straight through the pig, and just like fairly slow like so that you wouldn't get caught. And you know, the it worked out really well. No nobody saw you, and you shot that pig, and then I went to I went to. I was like, as soon as that happened, I was like, okay, we got it on film pigs and the camera on tripod too. It's worked real good. Yeah. And so then uh so then as soon as you shot, I clipped on and it worked out perfect because I clip on and about the time I look up start drawing, you go and give me real loud you know, squeal or whatever. And I'm like anchoring at the point that happens, and I see one brown pig just turn and look, and I was like, the forty that's for sure, Like you've gotten some ranges on the way in you know, and I was like, that's that's it's real close to forty and I put my forty on it and it was smoke city. Gosh, dude. I watched the arrow through the air so good too, because I mean, I think your both probably was about two foot from my head, I would imagine, and so like it was just straight down the pop and I watched this in the moment smoke. It was good. So but in that case, like the one thing that I do, like I'm not sure if I'm gonna change or not, but I may change to a hook release. And so one thing, Casey and I've shot different releases the last couple of years. I've been shoot a dual caliber Cobra Caliper Cobra, and um, Casey has been shooting the hook. Is it called the wilderness the moment moment that's hunter has a wilderness. I don't know what that is. But um, so you've been shooting the moment, which is a hook style release, and I was thinking, man, because dude, it's hard to get a dual caliber to go quickly, you know what I mean, Like I can do it when a deer's a hundred yards out coming in. But when like, for instance, um, when I shot the deer in Kansas, I had the same thing, Like, dude, it took me. I feel like it took forever. It probably took like literally eight tenths of a second. That anxiety is enough. I was like, I was like trying to get it on there. I finally clipped it on. You know, it's the same thing. They're not actually nailed at the first time, but I was like, and I did it really quick, but there's still like the anxiety of like you're like trying to get your y'all can't see it, but I'm like moving my hand. We'll think about that caliper's open maybe an eighth of an inch, and you gotta fit that de loop through that perfectly and then squeezy at the right time before you move it off exactly so, and I mean that's just a part of my equation that doesn't even happen. Yeah, I mean, it's like just on there. So I'm thinking about getting Jake to send me one of those cobra hooks. Uh at the moment, that's what you said, right, so, because I might mess with that some this year. If we get new bows, which we are, we just don't know when they're coming exactly. Be here soon, one of them here. It's not hours though. Yeah, we'll tell you about that later. It's Daniels or what's his name is Daniel, David, David David. No, it's Michael, Michael. Yeah, my cool. So that's That's another thing I was thinking about, is Thato was like, man, their release would have been a good thing there. But in that case, like I'm I'm jerking back and I'm getting ready for something to stop and um. But I mean, yeah, overall, like drawing on a bunch of pigs is tough. You know what about um from a tree? So you're just about to say this in a cruise yourself, which most of the time if we're in a tree all the time pretty much. I actually I shot my dear from the ground. I had my cruiser on because really, yeah, I think so in South Dakota or in Kansas, I think it did um, because I mean, you never know, right like that morning you might have been gonna get in the tree and then that, but then you're talking mid day. You just do have it on. I stalked, h I should have killed a buck, big buck in Colorado. This year and with a cruise your saddle on from the ground. I got out of the tree and uh, eric was supposed to rattle them to me, but here addle them away from me, not intentionally, but anyways, worry on that. Oh okay, so yere yep in the tree and your cruiser, you know, leaning away from the tree. That's what happens in the saddle, which is weird first, but you get used to it and it's actually real nice. Um. What are some of your tips for drawing your bow in a tree? Um? Well, you gotta you know, you want to make sure that like nothing is in your way when you originally sit down in that tree. But I think, uh, for me, the pigs. Pigs are pretty active when they get in there on food. So like what you'll get a lot of times a deer is you make it a deer like if it was at a feeder, especially like just a dough or whatever. It's calm like that sucker, am I just or even bucks. Bucks are worse about it actually, uh, because like a big mature buck will come in on corn, whether it's a pile or a feeder and just literally stand in the same spot for four minutes and then left its head up, take a step, and then it's such a different coming two because it's always dead silent. You are so quiet, And like I learned this this year hunting on my property because those does come in and eat the corn and you know, I'm not shooting at them because it's not legal at that point in the year. How much since does that make? But anyways, like the slightest sound when a deer has its head down eaten is like freak out mode. Yeah you know, Oh yeah, they're they're strange about that. Yeah, which, well you can talk about that in regards to your Oklahoma buck, you know, I mean the so the idea is this though, like when it's a hog at least um that the hog is going to be moving around quite a bit. So really, as soon like if it's a small group of hogs or just a hall like say it's a boar comes in long boar, um, I'm probably gonna wait till he's facing a way pretty good. They got big ears that blind him from the back pretty good and their shoulders are wide slider in their heads right, so uh probably kind of get him facing away and if he's moving quite a bit, I'll draw then and then kind of let him get a little bit more broadside. I would say, honestly, um that when like, when shooting especially a bore, I would shoot a quartering away probably, or if it's close enough, dude. I've killed some frontal pigs this year on the ground. Frontals hard to beat, dude. And you think about it, when you really think about it, if you feel confident in hitting within that area, they're like, you can't hardly miss, no, you know what I mean, especially on the halk because they're broader and they're they're squat right, So it's literally you're shooting at a volleyball. Yeah, I mean, their vitals aren't much bigger than that from the side, yeah, you know. Yeah. And the good thing about a frontal two is that there's, um, you got a bunch of arteries and veins in the next that you don't even have to hit the heart, you know, or the long or anything. Yeah. I know. It's it's it's it is deadly, dude. And so like I I feel like that's a pretty good option not to mention, like there's a lot more sauce stuff on the front of a board than there is on the shoulder of a boy, you know what I mean. So them gewels are pretty pretty floppy. Yeah, yeah, So I mean that's that's kind of a shooting more of a shooting thing. But I just think as far as like, yeah, drawing back and getting drawn, uh, probably when they're facing away. Um, if you get a bunch of pigs in there. Um you know, ideally, if you here's the thing is, if you're setting up and you're setting a saddle or stand or something like that, like you need to have a backdrop if you can of some sort so cedar tree or whatever it is, and if you have, if you're not skylined, you will get drawn, I think, you know what I mean, unless you're just sunlit from the front or whatever. But like if you're back in a cedar tree or whatever, you got a pretty good, good and solid backdrop behind you, you're probably not gonna get seen. And here's the thing is if they see, if they see you and they blitz out, learning the squeal some sort of loud squeal noise. Man, I mean that's worked. I mean, you you've shot some pigs, so you know how to do that, and it's a second nature thing. And I pretty much just will hope that you do it, and you do it and then yeah, that's what happens. That's my payment to you for doing it in your ear for those heaven that one time. Now that you've heard it, I'm gonna do it whenever it actually helps apologize. But um, another thing I would think about for drawing that's important is to think about clearances, uh, because it's it's actually kind of crazy how much clearance it takes to shoot a bow because things are moving around and changing shape and size. Uh. Like, for instance, you don't want to have to be a full draw to have to move to make the shot, if that makes sense. Sometimes you have to do that, but ideally not. So having clearance out the of your bow first a twenty inches of arrow to be able to swing around it is pretty important and if you don't have that, you need to keep that in mind for when you do take your shot. Also, like, just because you can hold your bow out right here doesn't mean you technically have room for your shot because your string angle could run into stuff. And also, um, like the way cams work are weird, Like you might have room right there, but when you draw, your cam's kind of come back a little bit and then like your bow can be kind of wedged up in a spot. I thought you were talking about cams like Cam Haynes the way if he's like a celebrity or if he actually does work at that water, because yeah, so the way he works is weird too, and he's a cam. But like I said, he's small, so he fits into all these places no problems every time. Yeah, that's all right. He could outrun me for sure, But I don't know. I think that we've we've done podcasts on this draw stuff before. It's pretty important. But uh, one of the things that you cannot have too much of his experience, and that's what we kind of build our platform off up to the truth guys, we we don't claim to ever be experts at about near anything except for Mexican food, so don't mess with us. But outside of that, uh, experience is everything when it comes to hunting. So it kind of goes back to that whole thing we're talking about earlier about, Uh, don't waste a good day to go do something that's important, to go ship hunting, because it's not the greatest experience, you know, and if you could instead use that day later in the fall, or if you could go make some money this time and this time of year in the springs that they're walking around, you can use that to buy a tag and you know, a new state and go have that experience or whatever. Like make sure that you're putting yourself in these situations where you can learn this stuff. Because man, I'm not gonna say that like I maliciously laugh at people or anything like that. But it is kind of comic will from time to time when you see on a Facebook group some guy that you just know has been just to internet warrior for four years and has not gone out and put this stuff into practice, and then he's got all these mods on his sticks and all this stuff, and it's like, man, have you ever thought about just going up the tree? You know or whatever? You know. I'm not I'm not trying to I'm not trying to throw shade here anything, but y'all get what I'm saying, like, go out and try this stuff, you know, and center later you realize like, hey, I don't have to fiddle with this that much. It works as is or whatever it may be. You know, like you don't have to to just go crazy about stuff. At the same time, there are some things that are really really important to experience, and that is, like you were saying, drawing on a deer or a hog is a huge thing that you gotta you gotta figure out if you want to be um, you know, overly successful at doing this. Yeah, they're they're different, like integral parts to the harvest or fulfilling the experience of hunting and killing something that you should probably definitely boaks on. So good thoughts there, man. We've been doing some farming and stuff. We don't have to get to any details of that. I'm pretty much an onion farmer right now, whether it's on the uh, whether it's uh just re um green eyesing some green onions in my window sill, or planting onions and that's being the only thing that's come up in my garden potatoes come off yet. I've had a few potatoes stick their heads out. I've got uh icicle Radish dike on Reddish French breakfast, Raddish French breakfast, just regular old Radish red I don't like that. I don't like things being named breakfast on breakfast. Yeah, I'm probably gonna eat breakfast a little bit maybe I don't know, never had. It's exactly right, because you don't eat rashes and breakfast. Go man, dude, people think that, but then have you ever had beans and rice at breakfast? It is good? Um, so I have to put radish on the same level as beans. I got kale, I got this, I got um taters, I got onions, and then I got all my indoor stuff done. I got tomato. I'm I've got a bunch of tomatoes. I have like forty eight tomato plants, which is about half of what I had last year. So it's good. I'm gonna scale back. Um. I got summer squash, Winner squash. All that stuff is planted about ready to go on the ground. I'm gonna get those in the ground this weekend. I've got watermelons poking their heads through the dirt, and those are gonna go in the ground about mid April, hoping to get some July watermelons. That would be nice. Um cantlope? Um what else? Oh? Uh? Roselle, which is cool. It's a thing you flour you make jelly out of, so pretty tasty, so real. That's right, that's it. Yeah, so um actually bought today. Um I bought, uh, drip irrigation, drip tape to be buried in the ground, and drip tape irrigation trying to reduce weed pressure and disease pressure on my tomatoes and squash. So le's see if that helps. Sweet, Yep, sounds cooler than what I got going on. I'm just like, I'm gonna want to be a gardener. I'm just a b loud on on your he sorry man. Well, you know, one of these days maybe I'll have a intern that can do some stuff and then I can just on it. We're gonna have Eric pretty soon, I hope. So, I hope, So, Eric, you better get down here. That's all I have to say. Look at his girlfriend, y'all. I got his girlfriend. Here's a good idea. It's good. A Yankee girlfriend for me with Texas. Thinks she's probably listening, dude, probably so she already hate you. I ain't surprised. There's a lot of a lot of women that hate me for sure. Oh well, it's like a baby Jordan Peterson over here, b j P. That's it. Uh. I think that's gonna about wrapping up for us. Somehow we turned to uh, don't have anything to say. Podcasts into nearly ours. So thank you all for listening, thanks for watching the videos. We're gonna try to get a few more out of the spring. We've got a really cool series revolving around fishing if you like fishing, So we'll be looking forward to that. It may be still it's probably gonna be several weeks still before that starts to air. But I'm really excited about it. And uh, we do have some merch if you guys have any uh need for shirts, T shirts for the summer or whatever. We got a bunch of those, got some few more these new hats in. We probably need to order some more different, different kinds of stuff. We're gonna get all in that. We got a bunch of different announcements to make at some point this summer, I think. And we're excited about some of the things we've got coming up. We just can't talk about them yet. Also, we're gonna do some get togethers uh at some point the summer in a few different cities. So we have been talking about that that much, but I'm glad to hear we're doing it. Yeah, I'm pretty excited about it. I think it's something we think I'm exciting. Case He's not so excited. Now I am excited about it every here, Casey, because we're clue I do. I'm sorry man whoever. That guy was on Texas public Land hunting U Facebook, So I feel sorry for you. We are going to meet up, let's do it. But some guy I gotta say the commentity it was so funny. This guy was like, hey, guys, we should do like a meet up or something or hang out and then it's like exchange names or something. Yeah, and this guy was like, I'd really shot myself in the foot and meet not percent you'd be which I appreciate the clean but also harsh comment, you know what I mean, Like he didn't know cursing, nothing bad, and they're just like a good old just honest comments good which I think he was kind of joking a little bit. But there are some pretty horrendous people out there. Don't be one of those people. UH, have a good attitude and be nice people. That's what I have to say. That's right. I remember this is your element living po