00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, I'm Casey and I'm Tyler, and you're listening to the Element podcast tune. I don't think what's happening all y'all people out there. Guess what? We've been picking up bucks? Who's been picking up cameras? I've been just doing all kinds of picking up from my house. It's a mess, but that's okay because that's the way it goes, right, Tyler, Yeah, I've been picking up tomatoes off the ground. They like, are they that right? They just fall off and they fall into my hand and just hold my hand Underneathan, it knows the electromagnetic force just brings it down into my hand. Are you we're talking about Star Wars for this, But I thought you were just getting all technical because we've got to have a technical podcast up in here. I'm the most technical. Not really, that's actually kind of the cool part about what we're gonna do. We're gonna talk to uh Isaac Smith, who is my brother from Vector Arrows Vector Custom Shop. Actually that's what you need to look for because Victor Arrows vector is a type of arrow. Uh it's a geometric term. So uh, if you just google vector, it's gonna couple with arrows, but not the kind you shoot deer with, so they did it on purpose. But you gotta go to Vector Custom Shop to find their areas. Anyways, UM, we're gonna talk to Isaac some about just hunting and hunting Wisconsin and other stuff he's done, and talk a little bit about Victor and some of the cool stuff they have going on over there, because they really this is and this is why we're shooting them this year. You know, we kind of made a change. Uh. We like heavy duty, uh durable arrows that are hard hitting, uh and Vector has that and then they also like have like a customability. That's the right way to say that. I'm this Friday afternoon, y'all, and my tongue is it's kind of laying yeah sou But they yeah, they're very customizable and um, just easy to find the right thing for you. But we'll let Isaac tell you more about that. But before the end, we have some stuff that we need to tell you all about because it's good, actually it's real good. And I just went to the taxidermist today and we picked up the last two year from the taxidermist, which is my Kansas Buck and your Texas Private book from your property. And they are giants, they are they're huge. Why did you shoot an elephant last year? I don't know. I don't know. Why did you shoot an animal that has a whole rocking chair on top of its head? For real, dude, you needed all your f foc for that. Ec goodness, don't ever talk about them again in this house. I don't mean. By the way, it's the first time we podcast in the new house. How about that. We're not truck casting today. We're in the house. There's deer stuff everywhere. Day. It was just a good day. But we uh, we're gonna do some deer hanging. We uh, we took some pictures. We've got some hunt breakdowns that are gonna come out from these deer. Actually, we've been talking about this for a while, but you're gonna have a pretty cinematic series that comes out about your deer with a hunt breakdown following that. But I would imagine my hunt breakdown will be out pretty soon. Um how soon? We're unsure? But um, what's the there's so we just released a podcast video on YouTube. Go listen to that if you Haven't's Jesse Griffin's podcast. But before that, there was a pretty cool one that we put out. What was is it? Uh is a Hunt breakdown? Oh no? But the one I'm thinking about is the four Biggest public Land Top four big. Don't even watch that because it's pretty cool, it's pretty hot. We cut all the we cut all the fluff out, man, and it's just it's just uh, pretty quick quick quick hunts, you know. And so if you're that kind of guy likes it, that kind of stuff, kind of the high overview of it, then it's on there. But yeah, your your Kansas Hunt Breakdown and come back pretty soon. I think, uh, I thinks let's see if you're listening to this before like Monday the five, um, then Monday the fifth, I think we've got to hunt breakdown coming out from Kansas as well. But no dead dear, just really close encounters, um and then yeah, that that one will come out. So I'm also I'm kind of trying to think and look at soon to see if I can put anything together from Cabo. Um. We need to get some picks for that out. I don't know if you got any of them in the driver or I think I look the other day can find one. But I think I sent the drive to the group. Okay, so you got it, because there's some six stuff from that. We actually, I guess you have a new lens, right, that's that's your Leans, I guess. I mean, yeah, I can't remember who bought what wind where, but we got a new camera and a new leans and all kinds of new lenses. Anyways, production is cool right now, and there's some cool fish pictures. There's also some cool deer pictures about to happen, because we've been talking about this stuff for a while. But we finally got our Multri Delta seale cams and the mail uh and actually got those a while back, a while while we're on vacation. But today it was like our work day to get them all kind of going, and we got the app set up. Kind of we're kind of still playing with it, messing with because we want to make sure that we know exactly what we're doing and I can kind of share all that stuff with you all. We probably will do that pretty soon. But um, it's pretty cool to have a an expensive seal camera that seems to work pretty good. So I'm kind of excited to get these things out. Um, I might carry that one home, and uh, put it on my fence post back there on my corn. You might need to take the other one to stick it out there and see if there's any piggies coming up. I don't see you right now. It's cool to just go back there and shoot pigs when they're out. I know. We can sit up here so you can turn this thing to like the stint. As soon as it takes a picture, it sends it to you, which is kind of wild. Ye, but they haven't out allowed him yet. Won't use that for deer just because it's it's actually not that handy if you're hunting public land like we're gonna be doing most of the time with these things. I don't see you pigs, tyler, if you what if you could get you can put them on public land and then as somebody stealing it, you know, and so you go out there and catch them, oh man, confront them, confront them on public land. We could just set somebody up, we could yeah, yeah, yeah, I catch him now that. But they are pretty cool and it's it's actually pretty easy set up as long as your um DVID carter hasn't been compromised by some other company who tried to fraud you. It works pretty good. Yeah. Tell you what, if Brian Co don't stop sending me text messages right now, I'm about to beat him up. We're about to go up there and just beat up stuff. Like eight days from that or something like that. Right now. I mean when this comes out, we'll be like, okay, there next week. So this is gonna come out on Thursday the seventh or something like that, Um, maybe eight, I don't know whatever. That Thursday is after the fourth July. Um, we're gonna have production, uh, Friday and Saturday with our whole crew. Eric, Chris and Hunter are all gonna be with us. We might have to try to podcast sometime during all that. Um. Then shortly thereafter we're headed to Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Michigan to go Map Scout Challenge. If you're in that area or whatever, holler at us if you've got a cool place we need to go, or if you want to high fives parking down the road or whatever, and uh, and we'll do that. If there's I don't know if it's Casey's country or not. You know, I hope it is. If not, we might need the tips probably something weird, you know, yeah, like, oh look here we pickle cheese and it's real good. You know, why are we doing? Where's the stuff? There's people hating. We're just kidding. We're just kid. We love our Michigan friends, one of our favorite people for sure, especially if he gets us on a big boat this next week. But yeah, for real, Um, I actually about to go home, or not home. I'm gonna go to my parents house and eat all kinds of Yankee food. So I don't know, but this is like an intentional Yankee food thing, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, So if y'all don't know, I am a half breed. I am half Yankee and half Southern. My mom is from Minnesota, born in Alaska. Okay, man, you're watching The Turtle Man, just actual original video. No, I don't think. So he does this segment where he's like, oh, yeah, I'm half really Indian, half half Cherokee, you know, half Union that's Yankee, and it like ends up being like a person and a half by the time you start talking about all the different breeds. That's all right, Um, but my parents just went on vacation up there to see my mom's family. Uh, and my best my mom's best friend and stuffs up there. And um, they brought home smoked salmon and pickled herring, potato, sausage, lefts, crime coca, all this stuff they had any of that? Have you not? I don't think bring you some stuff if you so. Lefts is like a Norwegian tortilla, but made with a potato base and not a flower. That can't be bad. It's pretty good. It's really good, and it's it's toasted like that, you know. Um, crimem coca is really good as well. It's a dessert cookie that's kind of seemi sweet from comcaca. Yeah. Uh, and then all kinds of other stuff. Pickled You never had pickled herring, dude, let me tell you something that sounds weird. Pickled fish, but it is so good like whatever, But you do a cracker, maybe some sour cream or cream cheese or mustard or whatever. Like I'm pretty sure any of you no other or is it? Listen, you can probably confirm or deny, but I'm pretty sure they keep pickled herring in bars like kind of on the counter, like you see peanuts or something like that. Sometimes, like it's the thing people eat like in the really old Timmy bars and stuff. Yeah. But anyways, potato sausage is like sausage with some potato and it of course, and then uh, all the good stuff. I mean you've had smoked salmon. Yeah, Oh last November I had um, some candied salmon. Do you remember that? Oh? Man, that's the good stuff. It's really hate this definition or I hate this word, but it's very rich. He is, But in that sense, it's like richness is um. I think the proper way to use that is a food that has so much flavor and intensity that you cannot get full on it before you are your palate is overwhelmed. So if I can use that definition, it's very I don't want to eat a meal of candied salmon, you know what I mean, it's too rich for that, but I would like to eat a couple of pieces of it. Yeah. So anyways, that we're gonna try to go up challenge. I'm up. I'm gonna up. We're gonna try to maybe get our own salmon or salmon as I've called them most of my life, called him that. I mean, I got a story for you all. You gotta tell us my podcast. This is Amory Legends story okay from where we're from. But my wife showed me this Facebook post yesterday of this guy who took some pretty cool pictures of the storm that came in, and she's like, look, this guy used the wrong silent letter and he spelled the world word gnarly but it was kaen, so it's and it was that's hilarious. Is the most ranging something there? Man, He's like he could hear it. It was. It was so bad that he might may have been joking and messing around, you know, like who knows, but it was funny. But anyways, that kind of reminds me of the salmon salmon thing. It's like, it's going to be solid. Why why not use a fun letter? You know, but in there or something? Why l is that? Did you just mess up writing? I think that's what it was. Somebody was like held their pin down too long and the original I think the natives used to used to just say it wrong. Yeah that's how it was. Actually Yeah, anyways, uh I think that Uh, with that, I have no smooth transition, So he might as well just get Isaac on the phone. What do you say that Salmon's right? To me? In real quick y'all. Before we get Isaac on the phone here, I wanted to let you know that if you use code Element all caps, you do get ten percent off of your Victor order to go check out Victor Custom Shop dot com. Now let's get Isaac on the phone. All right. Now on the phone, we have got Isaac Smith with Victor Custom Shop. Isaac, is it raining there too? It hasn't been raining, thank Thank the Lord. It's been so dry. I mean, I feel like that's a story everywhere pretty much. Yeah. Yeah, man, we've we had probably a good steine of it being kind of dry as will, but the last couple of days it's been nice and wet. And how are you all related? Uh? By Noah? Probably good answer, good answer. We're brothers in christ you know, yeah, man, But no, I don't know. We have not traced the parentage back very very far. I was just wondering, cause there's not many Smiths in the world. Yeah, do you have any Uh at this point you kind of stopped realizing that somebody's name is Smith, Like they're everywhere. You don't even acknowledge anymore. It's just like we're both names. No. I didn't like straight up it was like his last name Smith really, and I was like, uh, yeah it is. I forget that that's my last name as well. You know. You know these people who are like Schevskis or whatever, like they have a lot of like you know, family pride in their last name, and we're all like if there's a bunch of us who were terrible, a bunch of us who were cool. So whatever. But you know, I grew up in the nineties, you know, like a lot of us did. I think you're about our age, But you know, Emmett Smith was real cool in the nineties, you know, so I thought it was real cool to also have Smith in my jersey as a kid. You know, they didn't let me have twenty two very often though, I was usually in the seventies. So you know, Jerry's never given me any money, even though it's in our family name, you know. But whatever. Yeah, So, Isaac Um, you have quite an interest in history when it comes to archery stuff. You kind of just have a unique approach to things. And you and I like to nerd out about um arrows and uh hone it's and hunting tactics and all kinds of stuff. Man, So why don't you tell us a little bit about like kind of where you come from, how you grew up, and you know, how you came to hunting. Yeah for sure. Um, well I live in Wisconsin now, I've been here for about five years. Um, but I grew up in Indiana and uh lived in the country and how to how to longbow as a kid and would you know shoot you know, all kinds of critters that my parents didn't want me to shoot, and just you know, as as a as a blast, I had a lot of adventures in the woods, just you know, by myself. And I loved reading books like Hatchet and uh you know that I don't know, I just had a a wild you know, youth and just you know, loved being the woods, love fishing. I mean, fishing is kind of more accessible to young people, I think. So I have just fished a ton and uh yeah, just you know, archery was kind of always just to being a kid and living in the country and um and I did do a little bit of competing, um, but that was kind of on this you know that was a a short season and mostly just kind of run around in the woods with with the tread bow and you know, have wild adventures. So that was you know as a kid, I just loved it, and um, you know, through high school and college like kind of got away from it, did a lot of fishing through those years and got really into fly fishing and um. But have we talked that much about that, because maybe we need to talk more about that. Uh, you know, maybe when we're growing up, because I think so one of our Man, I think vector should make some fly rod blanks. You know what I mean you're talking about. That's what I think. And I don't know anything about that. That sounds fun. Maybe that's uh down the road, Yeah, man, for sure. And I love fly shing. I just it's uh, I get get lost out there, just you know, lose track of time. That's That's really how bow hunting is now too. It's like it's it's such a like a then like you know, it's it's really a spiritual experience. I know you guys feel the same way. It's just you know, being out in nature and experiencing you know, just the way that things were made to be, the way God intended like the world to be. It's what it feels like when you're out there. It's just like I don't know. You can't explain to somebody. You just gotta you know. So I I feel like my wife doesn't quite get it, you know, because anytime she's tagged along, it was early enough in the season to be pretty buggy, and oh man, they one time my wife went with me, it was the exact same thing. It was like three days after openers, so October three ninety degrees buggy, and we stay in the tree stand too long, and she doesn't see very well because I mean, you can tell that she married me, so she doesn't see good and it's gotten pretty dark, and it took me ten minutes to talk her down because she just wouldn't take that first step out of the stand. Eventually it comes to, well, you can either stay up there all night, or you can come down here with me and go back to the truck, you know. And that's a good tactic to make sure that she doesn't go back with you. Whether you want that or not, for sure, Yeah, no, I think, uh yeah, it's it's been a good experience coming back to archery and bow hunting, and you know, uh, in in my college years and then um afterward and and then Indiana we were in an awesome area for um deer hunting. I know, India is great for deer, but um, there just wasn't a lot of culture around it in our community either, and so it kind of just didn't really have like resources, you know, available to me to really dig in. But we moved up here and it was like just jumped in the deep end. You know, Wisconsin that's white tail hunting country. You know, just did you lot of people into it up here. So whenever you were a kid, you know, run around with the long boat, did you like shooting eat groundhogs? Is that the thing people did up there? I shot a lot of ground hugs, man, But I don't come from a hunting family, and so the thought of eating them was so like detestable to my uh parents that I think they just you know, I just kind of got used to not eating them. But I would actually really like to try it because I think it was I saw Steve Ronella post recipe and it was like, uh, crock pot thing or something he did, Like it was like it looks like pulled pork. They look like a eating critter, Like they just look like you should eat them. You know, they're kind of fat. Like a fat rabbit or something. Yeah, but I, um, I think like this is this is kind of something that I uh struggle with. Two. It's like I grew up kind of doing the same thing, like shooting. You know, my mom said, don't ever shoot a robin because that was her best friend growing up, was a named Robin and uh, and she didn't want me to shoot mocking birds as state bird, and then everything else was pretty much fair game. And so I shot a bunch of like small birds and my baby guns and pelly guns like you know, and obviously didn't eat them and probably could have, you know, I'm sure, but like uh never did and I kind of had this like a little bit of remorse every time. But I I really you know, I don't know. I think about it a lot now, especially now that I've got a son, and I'm like, man, I gained so much like uh, just like I guess you call it woodsmanship when it comes to like stalking the birds in the trees, and then like also just marksmanship and you know, pull want to trigger like thousands of times shooting at birds and stuff. I mean, I remember one time I was shooting with my buddy um out on the dock and all these little swallows were like flying around and we always shot at him. We never thought we would hit one. And my buddy just dropped one with a baby gun one time and we freaked out. It was the coolest thing ever, you know, like I can't believe you hit that with one baby and so um, of course we didn't eat that either. And so like I kind of struggle with this, like, you know, I want my son to be out on the outdoors and shooting stuff and learning how to be a marksman and learning how to stalk and stuff like that. At the same time, like I don't want to teach a lesson. That's uh, you know kind of like well we can just shoot stuff and just you know, throw it away or whatever you drop of this. So you talked about this a lot, like you know, you and I both lost in the year to coyotes, and it's like nothing really goes to waste. Yeah, there's no such things as waste in this uh you know, this machine that God created where like you know, there's everything cyclical. So and if we talked about this with like the Frank and franken steinbuck that a shot in eighteen, like the the those coyotes that ate that deer that night didn't eat rabbits or didn't hunt for rabbits and then didn't kill rabbits that they would have eaten. So there's things that like survive they only need so much food, right, So, I mean, I don't know, I'm we may be just justifying the fact that we want to just go shoot stuff, you know, but in shooting stuff fun, which that's why we you know, are talking to use because we're gonna talk about shooting stuff with with arrows. But I just kind of that's why I just kind of you know, side note here. I just I struggled with like what I should do with that, and probably need to figure it out at some point, you know. But anyway, so you, uh, you shot a bunch of groundhogs and stuff like that growing up, and then now you're getting back into this whole spiritual experience of of being outside seeing creation, hunting. Um, you know, I don't honestly feels like being a kid again. It feels like, yeah, I'm just like, yeah, you know, it's like being in a candy shop. It's just the dream, you know. I don't know, So I'm I'm just eight up and having a blast and last a bunch of years then, you know, learning so much and just you know, been kind of back into bel hunting for like I think seven years now. Man, it's just so much fun. So what kind of foc are you seeing that you need for groundhogs? Good question. You know it's been a while. I have a shot one for a while. Man, that now my setup would be overkill. They have a do they have a season or like, can we come up there like in March and shoe groundhogs? Oh, there's no season after Man, we could load it. If they're good to eat, you could load up on something. We're gonna need you to test. Were gonna needs you to test? I don't know. I just I just think of him as like a varmint, like a coon or something. Yeah, So how is that? Uh, you know, you're I hate to use this phrase, right, but your adult onset of hunting absolutely you know that's the thing that that's one of those catchy things people say nowadays. Um, how has that gone for you, like the past seven years of archery hunting? Like, tell me about that experience. Oh, it's freaking awesome, man, I love it having a blast. Have I not said that? Right? You have for sure all some deats though, all some deats. Yeah, yeah, I know I've I've been really fortunate. Uh just got on a bunch of deer. I've still never shot a deer with a rifle. Um, just because I was always you know, the bow was like so a part of the experience. So just not terribly interested in gun hunting. I love guns, um, but gun hunting, I don't know. It's I'm just kind of ate up with the bow. So yeah, it's it's fun, man. I just like to get close. And um, I got a got a couple of nice deer. Nothing, nothing crazy. Um, I'm really just yeah, what's your So what's your kill county? If you killed some does and some bucks or or what do you? Oh? Yeah, I mean I'm I'm probably like a dozen a dozen deer. Yeah. And I got a nice buck last year. He's like a hundred thirty five inch eight pointer. Wow. Yeah, that's a great buck man. Yeah. Yeah. And uh, it's kind of cool story because there was like a what would have been a state record deer. The deadhead was found here in our county and in the Wisconsin southern Wisconsin was like a two fifty something inch deadhead. And I got some intel on where this deadhead was found and it was on public ground, and um, somebody from church, their nephew you know, found it, and you know he was an outdoor life and all that stuff written up about it. The pictures are insane. You can google it, but I've seen this which one yeah, man, yeah, that's not far from my home. And so I think it was November fourteenth or fifteenth last year, and uh, you know, I you know, because of vector uh work, just you know, I didn't get to hunt a ton last year. So I think it was like one of my six six last last year in Wisconsin at least that it did go out to Colorado. But um, you know, it was November fifteenth. Hike out to this you know area in this swamp where they said that the head was found, and I just you know, kind of scouting with my bow and get out to this oak island in the middle of a marsh. And it's like, you know, I kind of walk up on the land and I had my waiters on and uh, just like maybe thirty seconds I hear rash, crash, crash. I look up and there's a buck chase in the boat does about to run right past me. So I just kind of stepped behind a tree and drew my bow and stopped the bucket eight yards and oh, you didn't even know what hit him. Oak Island. It's like, you know, maybe half an acre and there's acorns everywhere and and uh, just every tree. It just seems like it's all rubbed up, just the buck nest. And so I left the camera and got some sweet pictures. There's just a bunch of bucks in there. But that's cool, man. It's it's so just things like that, learning to find like the right areas and you know, know what the deer looking for. And you know that's picture is too, you know, like it was awesome. Like you need to write like back page or something for one of the magazines, like you know, put on your waiters and wait it out there and shot it. You know, like that's cool. That was November. Yeah, that's a good ti. It was like a day or two before rifle season open. So that's kind of my last ditch effort. Like, man, I've hardly been able to hunt, you know, like all through the rut, and I was kind of kicking myself and like I just you know, I just go explore picking my bow, see what I see and yeah, happened. You know, thutes the car like so cool. What was your approach to uh kind of learning? I guess I don't want to say how to hunt because you kind of but you know, maybe how to hunt? Why till with archery gear? You know, like, are you go out there and trial and air top guy or I mean I kind of know what your answer is gonna because we talk a lot and I know you're a research top guy, but like, you know, yeah, you tell me a little bit about about that. Like when you know, throughout those years, when did you feel like you were kind of ready to go out and you know, just do this thing on your own and you could go make your own inferences, inferences inferences and stuff. Goodness, Yeah, for sure, I think. Well, I I didn't shoot anything for I think the first two seasons, I didn't even get close to anything that was probably like twenty ten umwelve, Like I didn't, you know, I was so frustrated and it just enjoyed being out there and that's kind of what kept me going. But but then I started, I started find like the Dquistos and like calling onto the mobile hunting thing and like that whole philosophy just like changed everything. And you know, being able to really just adapt on the go and kind of take a more tactical approach just really kind of made it into a whole different game for me. And it just felt so much more engaging. Like I'm not just sitting here and like my wife thinks I'm doing like like she's got you know, and just like most other people anybody's not a hunter, you think like I'm just gonna go sit there. When you just sit there drink beer. In South Texas, this is aggressive. Most people in Wisconsin did too. Probably have more gun hunting guys, I think. But man, it's just that mobile hunting element, man, that just changes everything. And then when the saddle kind of got big and saddles are everywhere now, it's like and it really does make such a big difference to be able to you know, hike out scout as you hunt and get on the fresh shot, the fresh sign and you know, make it happens. Yeah, it's cool. Hey, real quick, guys. I was gonna let you guys know that we will be doing a kind of scouting session. Um kind of a clinic, I guess, for lack of a better term, We're gonna be hanging out at the Haggerman National Wildlife Frefage here in North Texas on August fourteenth. If you are interested in coming out scouting some public ground with us and then also doing a bunch of on x Q and a looking at the maps, maybe even some saddle stuff with the cruisers talking about how to hunt and shoot out of a saddle on August fourteenth. If you're interested in doing that with us, then you can go to our website, the Element wild dot com, check out the shop or store link, and you can buy an event ticket for that event in August and we will see you there. You know that saddle stuff, you man? You you hit on man, that's I mean, you hit it on the on the head. Man. It's not that I won't hunt out of a stand again. I know I will, and I killed the big deer out of stand last year. But man, that um saddle stuff is cool, especially like as they as they get more comfortable, you know, like as people start to figure out how to make these things more comfortable. Like we're working with a cruisers this year and there, um, you know, the ones that I've tried, at least they are for sure the most comfortable, and that's going to help me a lot um for a lot of different reasons. We've talked about in several videos. Well, there's not a guy who likes to sit there very long though I don't. Man, I'm just yeah thinking the whole time. No, I'm same, same for me. It's like, but to have the freedom to be like, oh, I haven't seen anything for three hours. I think I'm gonna move like that just keeps it so much more interesting and fun like. And yeah, just to have that ability and not I remember, like I love going to stand around. Even though it's like a pretty light stands up, it's still like once you're in the tree, you're thinking, uh, you know, I haven't seen anything for three hours, But I just set my whole stand up, like I'll just stay here, you know. Yeah, it gives you the that is like totally different. It's like I'll just take three minutes, I'll you know, I'll be walking to the next spot. So yeah, yeah, for sure. I actually had a pretty sweet set up. But about a year ago, when I started Vector, I sold everything like that I could put on eBay and you know, just to put everything into this idea, this you know vector um and like down to like any piece of like camo or anything anything worth anything. I just sold it all. So I'm kind of like rebuilding my kit now and like I'm looking at that cruiser thinking that's probably going to be the move. Yeah, they're going. So were you ground bound last year when you shot that deer, Like you didn't really have a setup and you were just you know, hunting the ground a bunch. No. I think I was borrowing a saddle for November. Um, I can't remember what kind of was. But yeah, yeah, obviously didn't end up in it. Yeah, for sure. So I want to talk a little bit about the access on that deal from that hunt, so you know later access. It's kind of a lot. That's pretty cool, man. You know, it's not something everybody does down here, but like, is that a thing that Wisconsins are kind of used to just doing and having putting their waiters on to go hunting because it's marshy You're like, um, yeah, it's well in Wisconsin. I mean we're in the southern part of the state. There's a lot of agriculture. I mean, it's corn and beans pretty much. Um. And there's a lot of public land around here, but pretty much all the public land is just what couldn't be farmed, and so it's pretty much like marshy, but it's it's this really really cool area because there's this agg everywhere, and then public land that's super marshy is like heavy bedding. And if you get into, you know, in deep enough in that marshy stuff, there's just you know, islands areas that are a little bit higher elevation where it's dry, and you get these giant oak trees drop acorns, and then that's just like a major like feeding spot for all these deer back in the marsh. It's it's interesting, man, and and most people just don't want to hike back there. And I don't blame him, because you know, you gotta um sometimes kayaks sometimes you know, have waiters or actually a couple of times I've just taken like really heavy duty garbage bags and stuff them in my backpack and when I want to wait something, just put a leg in each garbage bag and hold them up and walk across and rolling back up. It's better than doing like the potato race style with one garbage bag. You know, they'd be pretty tough, yeah, to get a way to eat water ways, So yeah, so so yeah, there's a lot of water. And I mean, if you're hunting public that is like obviously, you know, it's kind of a different deal. But and I had a couple of permission, a couple of properties, but I've just this fun being on public because there's that just aspect of exploring, having lots more space that than you'll ever I'm glad you said that because that is what I like about it too. People sometimes really enjoy the competition side of public land, and that's my least favorite part. If I could have all that land to myself, that would be great outside of the whole hunter recruitment problem that people like to rage about, you know, but like, you know, if that wasn't an issue, you know what I'm saying, Like I am not one of those people's like, oh, I love it because it's anybody's dear, you know, and I go kill it. You know. I like the solitude and exactly what you're talking about, the exploring thing. We're like, you know, I grew up hunting on you know, a little tiny leases you're in East Texas where you got like forty acres and you just sit in your your own spot all season long and wait on a dude to come by. It's so hard to learn that way. Yeah, for sure, it's like that. I mean, at least half of what's the addicting about this stuff to me is like learning the spot, you know, and what's happening here, like and that's pretty uh pretty are you seeing? Are you seeing them still feed on acorns in that mid November time period on those um islands? Um? It kind of depends on the year because sometimes there's a lot more acre acorns than other years. So you all said it acorns. Dang it, I heard you gonna start seeing y'all And dude, oh, you need to just not like you do. It's funny what So, Uh, we were scouting in Illinois and Indiana a couple of weeks back, and um, we figured out there's a whole new type of oak tree up there that we don't even know about, called a shingle oak, and uh, you know, we don't we've never seen that. We didn't even know what it was, but to look it up and half the time we were misidentifying it as a beach. But um, like when I this is real specific and we don't like to get into this much detail a lot of times, but for our own personal stuff like how how much to deer eat shingle oaks? Like where are they at the preferential and like when do those falls? Do you know much about that? I have no idea. It's a it blows my mind, you know. I was like, well, it's a whole new food source. I don't have a clue what it does? You know, I don't. I don't know that term shingle oak. Okay, well then maybe it's a pretty specific. They're like an oak tree that doesn't have any lobes to the leaves. They're kind of like just one weird like a fat willow. Yeah oak leaf? Yeah. Um, So are you like using on X to find those islands or what are you doing exactly when you go out there to explore? Um? Yeah, on X and uh sometimes like Google Maps just has like a different image and uh yeah, on has been amazing, especially to find like just where public land is because a lot of it's not marked here or like there's a DNR lease or something that's probably land, but you can hunt it, um stuff like that. That's where it's you know, you've barely ever see any people on those spots and they're just highly overlooked. So yeah, that in that marsh country, like you can figure out some legit trail action with on X and and you know really any aerial map you know, like that's I feel like that's the way to look at the island stuff. We have a good friend from Michigan who he's a public land killer man and he would never know because he just laughs all the time. You know, he like smiles and laughs. That's all it is. He's actually on that hog hunt you were talking about earlier. Um, he's the guy that I was on the phone with. It's like at the head of your way and it was like but anyways, yeah, he uh, he does that all the time. Like he just you know, looks at the maps and just looks for these places where there's an island with a bunch of trails going to it and goes and kills deer and just laughs it off. You know, you kind of got back into hunting and it has been doing it for a little while. Why did you decide to kind of go down this path of or maybe this victor if I could say to use the term overly, Uh, why do you want to build arras man? Yeah? So uh getting back into archery and stuff, you know in the early tens, Like I I went right to the full metal jacket, UM shot some to hear with. It didn't really have any problems with like what was available widely on the market. Um. But what I had a problem with was just the process of finding what worked for me. And I'd see guys on YouTube, you know, have such a high degree of accuracy, and I, you know, watched like a slow more video of an arrow coming off a bow and think, well, why doesn't mind do that? Like I don't know, And I was frustrated with the equipment. I was frustrated with the my arrows, non understanding or you know, even having the tools or access to tools that I could build my own and really go down the rabbit trail. So um, I just it was just always in the back of my head, like why isn't there like a arrow company that would just send me the arrows like ready to shoot, where I don't have to take them to the shop to get them cut to length than you know, how do I know how heavy my inserts should be? Or like if I want to change the way to my broad head, then that means I can't just like look at the spine chart anymore, like, um, you know stuff like that. So it's there's some level of physics and science e stuff that I still am wrapping my head around. Um, at least at some level, like um, you know that it's kind of over the heads of a lot of the you know, average hunter out there who who wants to have a good experience in the woods. They don't want to wound deer. I mean, nobody wants to wound deer, but I feel like a lot of the tools they are available um these days, be it you know, certain broadheads or you know, super lightweight, flimsy not durable shafts, things like that was I don't know. I wanted to make a product but also a process that made great performance available to the average hunter who does not care to go down the rabbit hole and read the ashby reports and you know understand, um the you know, the tool that they're using on that next level, or they don't want to do the math, you don't they don't want to buy an arrow saw things like that that. Um. So with Vector, we've we've kind of we've put out an arrow model, our first of hopefully several more to come in the next year. But yeah, um, but the idea is, you know, when you buy arrows from Vector, they come built to your specs, so that means they fit your draw length. They were taking into account what kind of broadhead you're going to use, um, or what kind of game you're hunting, Like, those things matter when you're building an arrow, because you know, the arrow is the only piece that touches the deer. We we just obsessed about our bows, and we you know, so many people buy a new bow every year and then they you know, get a box of arrows that you know is you know, they cheap out on the arrow, you know, and and they're gonna just keep having the same experience in the woods no matter what both they shoot, you know, because it's all about the arrow. So so for the people who might not know, uh, you know, I don't want you to go into excessive detail because it's you know, pages long. Well, let's ask this tyler. Do you know who it Ashby is? No? Okay, sorry, no, that's okay. You don't have to all the point of victor, right, and I just I'm supposed to. I'm supposed to know. You know. You know, dude, you killed five giant bucks last year, so I for or something like that. You know, I wanted to say that, not to embarrass you, but to like kind of give that as an example. It's like, not everybody's gonna go down that path, and it's okay, but Isaac, you know, just kind of to explain your name dropped that while ago, you know, like what is what is the Ashby report? And like what's what's that? Detail? Yeah? For sure? So, um, you know for decades, um, you know, decades ago, especially like through the seventies, ed Ashby was doing he was just a guy, a normal guy who was really passionate about bow hunting. He is actually a doctor. Um what's that? He's a Texan too, Yes, sir, essential detail. Um and uh, he was, you know, passionate about bow hunting. And around that time, it was, you know, bow hunting was perceived to be far less ethical than gun hunting because you know, how could it be as lethal or humane of a way to put an animal down? Um? And so it was illegal to bow hunt on most of the planet. UM. But so Ed Ashby we're kind of on this mission to UM changed the way bow hunting was perceived. And you know, through research and reporting on you know, what turned out to be decades of research, he did show that bow hunting could be the most ethical way to harvest game. And so his his his reports are you know, there's hundreds of pages written by him and people now at the Ashby Foundation UM on ethical bow hunting and a lot of it has to do with UM. You know, some of the hot button terms that you're here thrown around the internet these days, heavy arrows, high fo c UM, single bevel blade, broadheads, things like that. He popularized a lot of that UM and a lot of uh, you know, all all of his research was done with traditional equipment UM, and so it was really more focused on, you know, how do you kill a giant buffalo with UM to fifty five pound longbows and records and that puts a whole lot of emphasis on the arrow UM and that's uh, that's really why they landed at certain numbers like UM. You know, one of the twelve rules of aero penetration is sixty grains and above. That's like the bone brushing, bone breaking threshold. So like, you know, if you want to be able to penetrate anything, you have to be above or anything hard, like a large bone of scapula, leg bones, you have to be above a certain you know weight, which I think a lot of that has changed with modern bow technology. There's so much more energy going to that arrow, so I think certain things change. But but he, uh, he really changed the conversation around what is ethical. You know, there's several countries in Africa that legalized bow hunting. Um, and I believe Russia is on the list to Russia legalized bow hunting because of his research and UM, I don't know's he's a fascinating guy, a real character. UM, but yeah, I wanted to understand all those things that went into making a narrow effective and making a humane, ethical and efficient fast harvest, you know, and bringing that into kind of a new arrow where you know, we're not necessarily advocating for a six fifty grain arrow anymore, but like five fifties pretty sweet, you know, like five fifty grain arrows you're gonna, excuse me, you're gonna be able to he said, Um, and you know five gran arrow you can shoot anything, you know in North America with that out of you know, a relatively low pounded bow, like if you have a good broadhead with an appropriate mechanical advantage. Like there are other elements like it's a it's an ecosystem, a system, you know. So that arrow is so important, and there's there's a little bit of math involved in just getting the right arrow, the right foc to have awesome errow flight um accuracy, and to have the confidence that and you hit what you're aiming at, it's gonna go through it and ideally all the way through it, you know, out the other side. Tell me about that math, I mean that stuff that you could you know, everyone can kind of work through if they wanted to and take the time right, But that's kind of one of the things that you are doing is to try to help take that edge off. Yeah, for sure. Um let me look up this here Penwheale. So I started to understand this much better when I started using penwheel software. If you got to penwheel software dot com, they make a software called um s f a X. It's like software for archers. There's a ten day free trial you'll you'll learn so much just downloading that software for the trial and messing with like insert weight and changing your setup on there. And you can actually play with the vector arrow um and you just like import a thre hundreds fine doctor arrow and you can change like the insert weight and see what that does your spine and total air weight. When I google pinwheel, it comes up with Simon Rolls, so you probably the software pen Wheel software dot com. Yeah, it's a super cool software and and I, you know, it's kind of what got my gears turn in. Like this tool just needs to be available on our site, like where you just punch in draw length, draw weight, how heavy is your broadhead? What are you hunting? Like? It doesn't have to be any harder than that, and we should be able to get you extremely close to a perfect arrow setup by running the same you know, or I don't have the same algorithms Penwell, obviously that's there's but we, you know, spent the last year creating our own algorithm. And I shouldn't say we really I've had a lot of help from people who are smarter than me, but you know, agreed that this is a thing that should exist. And like I've kind of got a team coming together, a dream team of just really smart people who um, you know, are of the same mission and and have been able to put that together where now you can do just that. You like, you don't have to do any math, You don't have to download any software. You can go on our site and plug in drawing, draw weight, point weight and hit preview arrow and it'll tell you how much in a way, what spine, what insert are you going to get? And it looks good added the cart will build it for you, you know, and it's just ready to shoot, you know. And I just wish I had something like this like ten years ago though, when I was like kind of getting back into it, you know, eight ten years ago. It would have really uh help me on that learning curve because I think I would have been a lot more successful and think would have had a way better time in the woods. Um And that's kind of what's all about, you know, just helping people have a better experience in the woods and and you know, ideally make cleaner kills, like um, I think hunting kind of under attack for all these YouTube videos a deer running away with a you know, nocturnal sticking out of it and and then you never find it. And there's blood but me and I can't find it. Bumber, And you know, people quit a little too fast sometimes and I don't know, but it doesn't have to be like that. You put two holes in a deer with a good broadhead and and uh you know, things change. Yeah, you find a lot more of those deer. Sure, what is the you know? Um, I think any good scientific process has a specific in goal in mind, right, like the you're building a good arrow, but like what is that arrow specifically designed to do to give you the the most efficient and effective um projectile? Or you know, because the thing is you're not going for speed, right, Like if you're a speed guy, first of all, you shouldn't be in second of all, Like, this isn't gonna be the things for you? Right? Yeah? For sure. Well to an extent, I think we're trying to bridge the gap a little bit, but I can't get too far into that. Uh yeah, I think future arrows that we put out we're working on sun that are lighter shafts. I've got some cool name ideas for you for those, by the way, in case you yeah, yeah, like like what what do you got uh so h mr for hammer. You know, you could do an ax a xe be a little louder than a hammer, you know, for sure. Yeah, I think that would be good. That's awesome. I thought that. I like the ax. I also like, um, the hatchet because with your book theme too, you know, I didn't even think of that. That'd be uh, it would be a good uh homage, I guess. Yeah, so where it all started, and yeah, man, I like that, it's cool. Or the scalpel um, we'll see. Now you're getting away from the three letter things, so you know, I don't know you're willing to do that. If that's the case, Man, I still hatchet with three letters, man, hatch it. I can make it happen. I promise. That might be letters that we don't use in English, that's okay, Yeah, it's not an Anglish thing. Yeah, but yeah, so uh specifically, um, it's really as simple as Ashby's twelve aero penetration factors. And if you just search twelve factors of very penetration on the Internet, you'll find a bunch of places where they're outlined and kind of defined. But structural integrity is number one. Ero flight is number two. Ero fo C is number three and it goes on with some broadhead details like mechanical advantage. Um, we'll have to have you on another time to talk about that because that's a whole other thing. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking a lot about that right now. I know we've talked about it a few times on the phone, but yeah, man, that's it's that's a very interesting one, like coming into a new age of you know, broadheads are just so efficient now, like the iron will, the the Kudu point, like you know, even some that on paper don't have an ideal mechanical advantage, they're just the you know, hard to beat. So I don't know, man, the bubble bee tells you that not everything on paper is what it seems, right, So, like the real world experience means a whole lot, and I think that's what matters with getting out here and shooting stuff with this. That's like we're talking about all phone the other day. Like having pigs around is awesome because we get to do a lot of testing, like real world testing. And that's really what Ashby stuff goes back to, is the real world world testing of shooting actual bones and actual animals with this stuff, you know, Like, uh, you can you know, sit around and and doodle on the paper and nerve out a lot, but like actually putting this stuff into practice is what makes the big difference. And I think that that's what's cool about you and uh, you know what some of a lot of us do, where we want to have something that works to the best of our abilities, but something is also obtainable and be able to use it and not just be a guy. Because we all know those form guys, right, they have the sweetest setups of everything, but they haven't they don't spend ofough time away from the keyboard to go you know, actually use it, you know. And I think that that's the even mix that that we're going for here, and that's why I like, you know what you say, going to vector man, Thanks man. Yeah, I'm trying to trying to make a new level of hunting performance just available to the average Joe bow hunter who wants to step up. They're getting have more success in the woods. Like obviously that's important to all of us, um, but this is an avenue where, um, I think that's really possible. And I think you guys, you guys shot a couple of them I sent you like, correct me if I'm wrong, but they were pretty pretty on, like out of the box, right you just like we're like I think you like just looked at our Instagram photo of us, are like, ah, that's what these guys are gonna need. You need our numbers. Man, I can't believe it. I mean, I was shooting them with broadheads out to seventy yards and just grouping really good, you know, And that was before we even plugged in the algorithm. That's just from Isaac's pure knowledge. So we were working on a TRAPO setup for me until I exploded my boat a new bow now and then I'll we'll talk about that another time. Try It's kind of another animal that does take a little more testing because you don't have the same release every time. But on a compound you really can get, you know, close to with a fancy calculator on the internet, and it's kind of nuts, man. It's a it's if if that's made accessible people, I think I think it will be really valuable. And you know that's absolutely and I mean you'll have uh, you know, you've kind of found a way to make it accessible for a lot of folks. You you have testings and stuff like that. You know, if you're not convinced completely, uh, then you know, you can go to your website and spend you know, a pretty minimal amount to be able to kind of test it out and see if it works for you, which is a really cool thing. But uh, I mean for sure, and not to sound like a commercial here, but um, I just think it works, man, Like I it works for me. It's helped a lot of our our customers, like just have a better experience in the woods and be more successful. Like twenty nine bucks for a test pack. I think you'll see the difference. They just sound different. Hitting your target. Man, if you're used to rolling down to Gabella's and getting something out of a box, like yeah, this is it really changes things. So it does, man, it does for sure. And the attention to detail that you you pay. I think that's one of the cool things that you've got going man, is that it's a premium product at an approachable not just approachable price, but you know, uh, just all aspects you know, like it's it's like, yeah, I can kind of customize the colors a little bit, or I can you know, kind of play with point weight if I want to in YadA YadA, and it's it's pretty cool. And then we're gonna do some real world testing here pretty soon. We've been putting a little corn trying to get the pigs in and then uh, I think, um, that's you know, looking forward. Um, we we might spend a little time in hunting camp together. This fall off every if all the start on online, right I sure hope. So, man, I cannot wait. I've been working like a dog. I know you have, honestly. I mean, we're we're hiring for another I think three positions right now. That's all. It's crazy, man, It's it's uh, it's definitely struck a nerve. A lot of people are like, man, this is awesome. This is what we've been looking for. So yeah, um yeah, we're trying to just you know, well, if you want there and you need a job and southern Wisconsin, go talk to Isaac because we want him to go to Nebraska with us this year. So hopefully we can all, you know, do a podcast again the end, but maybe around a couple of dead deer, you know, and and just live it up. Man. I tell you, we did this thing one time around a dead elk where we we all just ate supper and you know, had campfire and just for podcasting after somebody killed an elk and it was like the baddest thing ever and I crave that. So we gotta do that and without it, but not you know what till in Nebraska this year. Yeah, so cool, man. I know you got to get out of here. So why don't you tell everybody where they can go check out what you got going on? Yeah for sure, Uh, Instagram, Vector custom Shop, um, vector custom shop dot com. Just reach out with any questions you got. Yeah, awesome, dude. Well we will link to that stuff below, and of course, you know you can follow on on Instagram, follow us on Instagram. We'll be talking about this stuff and experiment stuff a lot in the next coming months because it is aero season. Man. So I really appreciate your friendship, dude, and your partnership and everything that we're doing together. I can't wait for what holds for all of us. Dude. Heck, yeah me too, man. Yeah, I appreciate you guys, and yeah, I'm excited to watch you kill stuff back at you. I'm gonna shoot the first dink I can in Nebraska. That way, I can be your camera man because it's gonna be awesome. Oh yeah, let's do it, man, Yeah, swet awesome, dude. What we're talking all right? Later things, So, if you are just a little bit vector curious and you want to check out what Isaac and m have going on over there, check out the posts that was made on our social media, the Element Wild or at the Element Wild, and uh see if maybe you qualify for one of the giveaways that we're doing over there. It's we're gonna post some stuff about some arrows and stuff. Uh So go over there and check out that post if you're curious about some vector stuff and get yourself a couple of arrows, maybe even a bunch of arrows, who knows, it just depends how how crazy we get. Um, and check out some of that Victor stuff for yourself. Um. I'm ready, honestly to stop talking about all of this stuff and actually hunt. It is that point. We get to this point every year, and I feel like it's earlier than ever this year. Like, I'm so tired of talking about hunting. Not really, that's a lie, but I would rather be hunting and like and talk about when you've been hunting. Yeah, it's uh, it's like this point, I'm like, okay, we talked about everything from well that was the thing too in March. I'm like, uh, okay, I don't know if I really need to talk about hunt right now. I'm ready to fish or whatever. But now I'm like, Okay, it's time, dude. But it feels it's actually closer now than what it feels like because I've been so busy with the house and vacation. That's no time. Let's go, dude, literally by right now two months this is July. One recording is someone may I tell you to the last second there's a good chance one of us has shot a deer, and that two months so I'm ready if you want to figure out how to find deer, or maybe you want to brush up, or you want to just hone your skills, okay. Uh. And not that we're experts, all right, but we deer hunt, y'all? Do you hunt? We all deer hunt. But we have a podcast that talks about it. Go check out on Tuesday's. We're doing something in collaboration with on X directly. It's called public Pens. We've been releasing actually released two of those so far, where we do a really deep dive into map scouting and then convert that into boot scouting and how to label things on the map and that sort of thing. So if you haven't go check those out. Those released every Tuesday probably until mid August or something like that. We talked about our best spots man, some of the spots that we find dear the most often and shoot them with most very very white tail centric, like probably some of the most detailed white tail content that we do on podcast stuff, and it kind of collaborates somewhat with our Map Scout Challenge stuff, but it's like the audio version of that in a way to really dial in that stuff because I know, like straight up, there are guys who are a lot better at like making moves in the woods to kill deer, but you and I have put a ton of work into being good at the mapping part of stuff because we like to travel around and go different places, and you don't have time to um spend like two weeks really learning a proper to you with your boots. Whenever you're traveling to New States a lot, so like the map becomes key. So if you're traveling somewhere this year. You have aspirations of hunting a new spot, or you just want to you know, trying to scalpul our best spots or whatever. You go check out that Public Pens podcast because it actually was a lot of fun to put together us. Yeah, there may still be some episodes we end up putting together, but we have ten weeks worth of those coming out, so we're pretty excited about it. Go check that out. Make sure you subscribe to this podcast through the app if you haven't already, and you like what you're hearing. That means a lot to us and it will probably give you an opportunity to win something in the future. Possibly it has in the past. I know that, and we're looking at some new stuff. We want to make sure and help everybody out here before the season. So with that, remember this is your element living in

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