00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler. It's they Casey and you're listening to the Element podcast. She said, Buenos dias, me and my two nanchos. That's what I tell weather Man here, Casey, I've got a pig that needs needs a particular wind to be hunted on. Would you ever think that you're just patterning some pigs and trying to make a trying to make a really just delicate move around. You know, I did that for work a couple of times because, uh, in damage control with the hogs stuff like, there would be people who have specific hogs that move in and tear up there saying Augustine or whatever. You know, there's like two ways of doing it. There was like the I have centered acres and I have too many pigs on it, come out and shoot them. And then there was those type of calls and you kind of had to really pattern and suckers put up atrol cameras see if there was like the same hawks coming in at the same time night or whatever. So I've done a little bit of it. Um never has been as complicated as your situation. It's very strange. It's a weird deal. Yeah, we get a lot of southeast winds this time of year all through, so um we need we need a west wind of some sorts or any north. Really, what we can't have is an east or a southeast wind. Even a northeast would probably work because I think that deer's come, that hag is coming from the north. Northeast would definitely work. So I mean, really, a east in a southeast only two winds that we can't do anything. This thing we have and the next ten days is a straight south and it's really an hones straight south. It's barely out of the east. That's just so it's just it's not even worth it on the south because you're like, man, just just need to be patient and wait for some sort of west. We've had some southwest, but we didn't have a very consistent pig. We've got this pig coming in before dark pretty much. There's two peaks. There's two. Yeah, there's two the last couple of nights and they are fat, dude, they're big. I think the two that I saw last night we're both seals. So there's a there's from pigs around, you know, But like it's fun. Do you know what pig is in Spanish? I do, But I can't remember it. So everybody likes the thing him on because that's like pig uh if you want to talk about proper. But if you talk to anybody who's a native speaker around here, you know, like Mexicans, they're gonna say maroon brown brown, but maron it means brown barons Maron, you know, roll the tongue. But uh yeah, so um, that's how I love those type things, man, like the little like, um, you love Spanish, And I like the dialect stuff man, because we got a lot of it in the South, and there's a lot of it in the New two, Like the cricks are all? Are you guys? Speaking of you guys? We talked to one of those guys today on podcast, Mr Tony Tony Peterson Man, Tony p Is he's known around. I kind of joked in that thing that we speak different languages and Tony, Uh, truth be told is he didn't have that thick of a Yakee Yankee accent. He has that kind of Midwestern accent. He's nothing like my cousins and stuff that are up from central Minnesota. You know, it gets real thick, real quick out there. But yeah, the public land, Um, I don't know what do you want to call him? Just get it done her. He's a get or done her for sure. Man. The dude, the dude knows what's going on. He's killed a lot of early season deer and last year he killed his buddy. I kind of feel like Tony put his buddy on it. But don't let me make his buddy mad or anything. But like, do they killed two really nice bucks in two days the same stand. I'm pretty sure the vening day in the day after, I believe, and and they were nice bucks. And yeah, it's like I was up there talking to him on the phone, like how did you do this? Man? Please just put some magic on me right now. And so he, uh, he's a good guy talked to about early season stuff, which is what we're what's the that's the subject of today's podcast is the early season whitetail game. Um, there's a lot of guys who are gonna listen to this that aren't really super interested in that, And I totally get it. I've never really had like a hankering to shoot a velvet deer, but um, it's kind of cool to think about going and hunting in early September when usually you're thinking more like a month and a half later. You know, Yeah, you ain't got a hanker and to kill all deer, but we got a big hankering to kill a deer. Yeah, you know. And if that's when the time you can go and do it and it extend your season for a month, you know, it's pretty cool. It's pretty cool. I mean not to mention. I know Tony talked about it being hot, but it is nothing. Dude, Well let me tell you. I mean, you probably have the better example of anybody. How did you on Death Valley last year? It's high, But like I would rather walk around in Death Valley at one oh two or whatever, one oh eight, whatever it was, then walk around here. Yeah you know, yeah, Gulf community is a different thing. It's it's ridiculous, man. And I've always said this to about the Western hunting, like, uh, you know, you you talk about altitude and how you have to train for altitude, and people like, oh, I'm a flat lander or whatever. Well, um, there's a situation. And I haven't proven this by science. I just kind of have a thought that when the humidity is high, the oxygen is pretty low. Not maybe like no low, but it's lower than what you would think in the air. And maybe I'm completely off on this. I haven't done. Yeah, but the air is thick, it's you can tell. And when it's real humid, it's hard to breathe. And whenever it's you're real high up in the mountains, it is hard to breathe. So you gotta imagine if they're kind of one and the same, right, Yeah, I mean I think so, man. Not I am looking for reprieve at the end of August from from this stuff. Man, I mean, I'm looking for it right now. And then you think about dealing with it for another month and or more plus you know, it's just like, goodness, man, this can't this fall weather can't come soon enough. And we actually, I think last year, maybe it was last year, at the end of September, towards the end of September got a really good cold front and we were like, that was heaven, dude, that was awesome. You know. Yeah, big Bucks started hitting the ground in those late September seasons that year too, Yes, they did. So, I don't know, it's pretty exciting. I think, um, you know, we're gonna we're gonna get Tony on the podcast here in just a second, and I think it's gonna probably hype me up to get uh to get somewhere in the early season. I'm still not sold on it. Um either way, I just I don't know. It is a tough hunt, man, it's tough hunt, and it's um it's uh a little bit buggy, which you know me and I don't really love the bugs. You know. It's like you would you can sit there and have thirteen mosquitoes feeding on you and if like one gets on me and comes through, the shirt will flip out. You know. I used to be that way, and then I moved to South Texas for the while. And that's really if you don't wanna live your life flipping out, you have to get a little bit of get agglemated. You know. It's like the guys that um get you know, snake bit several times and then they just don't care anymore because it doesn't hurt anymore. I don't understand that, you know, I don't want to, but you do kind of tempt it. No, Well, come on, Kentucky, A non venomous snake is a different deal. I mean, ain't worried about it infected. I won't affect you, dude. Their mouths are cleaner in mine. I guarantee you. I'm not gonna test that little needle teeth. Yeah, well, I guess with that said, Well, we'll have Tony hop on the podcast here and tell us all about early season whitetail hunting. All right, on the phone, We've got Tony Peterson from the Hunt for Real podcast. Tony, what's going on in Minnesota? Uh, we're catching some fish and it scuting some deer, buddy. Yeah, that's a fun thing to to hear about coming out of Minnesota these days. It is. It's this time of year where you you kind of burn yourself out a little bit on the fishing and you really have to start thinking seriously about your you know, early season plans. And it's just a nice transition time for me. Yeah. Yeah, Um, you hadn't been heading down to Minneapolis or anything, have you? No, no staying away, social distancing from that city. I'm you know, I social distance from every city that I can. I'm meant to be out by myself somewhere. This is a this is a major life flow to live where I live. But I feel a little stuck at this point. Yeah, yeah, I hear you. Man, Yeah, I completely understand that Tom and I kind of are both in the same boat. We're pretty set up where we're at, and it's like, well, I guess we'll just be buying a lot of tires throughout our lives because we're gonna be driving to so many places. Uh yeah, Well, speaking of driving, we're talking early season hunting today, and um, a lot of people would have to drive to get to some of the earliest seasons there are. Um, and so this is something that I was telling you just second to go off air. You know, I've been thinking about you and I kind of corresponded a little bit. Um in Nebraska last year, you were kind of on heading out, uh successful champion of the world, you know, on top of the mountain, and I was about two days in feeling real low, and um, you know, mosquitoes were basically I didn't need sticks because mosquitoes would just carry me up to my stand. Um, you know, they was so bad last year. But um, anyway, so we had we had a tough go at it. But you you've you're pretty veteran on a lot of this early season stuff and kind of the first thing that you know, comes to my mind when I think, like, well, should I go in early September? I'm kind of getting itchy, is you know, what's going to be open and when? When does it open? And so um for you, like, you know, I know you have a couple of states that you like to go to, but you know, think back maybe before you before you had a whole lot of experience in those states. What were you doing to kind of decide which state I'm going to and where I'm going to hunt? Um, you know, for me, it was just the proximity to some states that opened earlier than Minnesota. So if I could. It kind of started by a fluke you know hunting, Uh, going antelope hunting early, or maybe going mule deer hunting early, and just realizing, man, there's some white tail opportunities out there that are you know, maybe two weeks before open up, two weeks before my Minnesota opener. And so it's just kind of evolved like, man, I can start my season a little bit earlier. And then you know, I've always been I've always gotten after it pretty hard for the early season, and I just I just like it. And so it's kind of just become part of my yearly planning as I'm gonna go someplace that has an opener that's earlier than Minnesota and Wisconsin where I used to start before I started traveling a lot, And now I just love it. Even though, like you said, you know in Nebraska last year, those bugs were they were like biblical, those mosquitoes. It was. It would like they have they have super mosquitoes down there, and if we ever get any kind of if zica or you know, malaria or something ever gets into those mosquitoes were all gonna die because they were unreal. It means something too. When I'm Minnesota, got says the mosquitoes are bad, Like they're pretty bad in Texas, but you know, I've got family up there, like it's the state bard of Minnesota. It's bad, So it's bad, But we don't have like super armor piercing mosquitoes like those ones down there. They have like two species. I don't know if science is looking into this or not, but they have They have like normal little mosquitoes that buzz around and then they have those ones that land on you and instantly pierced you like a hypodermic needle and they're gnarly. It was nine four, one of the days that we hunted up there last year, and I was wearing, um, I was wearing basically a hoodie because I was like and I was strapped around my head because I was like, dude, this is ridiculous. I felt, you know, I don't like mosquitoes. I'm not super tough about them, but I felt really good that you were also seeing that they were pretty outrageous, you know, because you've dealt with them, so it was unreal. I mean, it was there's nobody who would have been comfortable in that. But you know, I mean, the hunting was still pretty good, and I actually think they I don't know about your case, but I think where my buddy and I killed our box, I think the reason we had hunting where we did was partially because those deer were betting where they could get away from mosquitoes. Huh yeah, man, that that kind of makes sense. Where I was hunting, UM was like, I felt like that the best cover for for most of the bucks was going to be along this river system, which also happened to be you know, Mosquito Central. So you know, it's just like I don't know. We tried to several different places. We hunted by a lake where we're getting a good like east wind off of the lake, and that's where we ended up killing. Of course, we didn't see any big bucks, h but we killed a little spike there, you know. And um, I think that that might have had to do do with the fact that there was so many deer and there was that there was a good wind coming off the lake knocking some of the bugs down, you know. So I don't know, Um, you know, have you seen that before. We're like, you're the mosquitoes are bad enough? Or is that like something that you can rely on or you could go kind of bank on if you were to go hunting early season that Hey, I'm gonna try to find somewhere where the wind blows, whether it's a you know, thin shelter bell or bean field or whatever that I can kill, you know, kill a bucky in because he's getting away from the bugs. Basically, I think it's more consistent than people would believe. Uh. Yeah, I've seen it a lot. I mean, you see it a lot when you do uh sort of late summer glassing. You know, it depends where you're at too. You know, some of some of the places I hunt have deer flies really bad, and you can tell when you're in them, you know. And so if you lived out there and you were a deer, you wouldn't be you wouldn't bet around those suckers. And it's the same thing, you know, it being right in the middle of the woods getting eating alive, or you can go bet out in the crp field where the winds blowing, you know, right across it. I think it factors in big time. And I mean I can remember being being up north fishing in northern Minnesota and watching deer like just randomly run out and just jump into the water. And it's like when you see that behavior, like I can relate to that and I know what you're doing. It wasn't like they were spooked or anything. It was like they're just like, oh my god, these bugs are insane, and I'm gonna go get into a lot of the water and cool off and get away from him. Yeah. Yeah, you know. Um, A lot of the the peel of like going out west for like an elkn or something is for us at least we escape the sweltering September and get to go to the mountains and and experience you know, beauty and great temperatures and all that kind of stuff. Is that something that you factor into for early season, Wattail? Are you just really looking for good chances at deer? No, that's a that's an elk thing. You pretty much know when you go. You know, like my buddies and I were going to North Dakota this year instead of Nebraska for the opener, and it'll be brutal, but I'm just kind of I know, I can have good hunting if the weather is really hot and nasty. So I'm kind of like, Okay, I'll take fewer people to be a little bit more miserable out there, and uh and just because the hunting will be better. And so it's just, you know, it's not the same thing as being in the mountains. I mean, you know, being in the mountains, it's it's so beautiful and you know how they how it cools off at night. It's just it's an amazing experience. These white sail hunts are not like that. I mean, you might lay down in your tent, you know, Tyler, I'm hre you you've had this last year, but you know, we we hunted two nights, the first two nights of the sea, both nights, so we drugged deer out, made it back, and you know, you dragged deer out. You go back to camp, you know, chuck a bunch of gatorade, and you lay in your tent and it's like five degrees at midnight and you're just like, this is not fun, Like, yep, this I had. I had fun on the tree stand when I had bucks around me this part and you know, you've got stuff crawling all over you, and it is just it's a no it's just such a vastly different experience than that typical rud hunt. You know, dude, I had um. I completely hear what you're saying. They're like to the point that I'm probably if I go, gonna try to get a hotel if I can, just because that wasn't I'm a super light sleeper and so just you know, anything out there when it's dead calm and eight five and anything makes a noise or whatever. And I mean it was like you said, you you're crawling into your tent it dark, and you're trying to get in there so fast that the mosquitoes so the mosquitoes don't get in there with you, you know, and then you turn the flashlight on and try to kill whatever got in there with you so it doesn't eat on you all night, you know, and it's like it's just and then like I did five days without a shower, Um, like I said, you know, was was pounding in. You know, however far on some of these spots in ninety plus degree heat a few days and dude, you're just so nasty. And then you know, you get you get home and you're like, oh, well, there's two ticks that I didn't know were there, you know, and it's like the because they've been there for who knows how many days, You're like, you're they they hurt coming out and they literally like leave a itchy spot on you for almost a month. You know. It's just nuts, man, It's it's not that fun when you look at it that way. But hopefully, like a hotel will help me to kind of curtail some of that, I guess, um, And I know, you know, it depends. I guess year to year, the way there could be much more enjoyable than it was last year. The bugs could be less or whatever. I guess is that right? Yeah, I mean it varies, you know. I mean you might get an early season hauns where you get a ton of rain, you know, and you just you just don't know. But we did, you know last year where we hunted and we were the same way. We were just disgusting by like three days into it, because when we got there, we covered a lot of ground and looked around and by I think by like day three, I had taken We stayed at a motel on the way down and I took a bar of soap from the motel room and I had it with me, thinking, man, I might need to just hop in the river. And the one day I looked at my buddy, I'm like, I can't take this anymore. I'm gonna go get in that river. And I grabbed that bar soap and we went down there and we sat in the river and it was like the best feeling ever just just to get you know, and we were it's like a muddy, nasty river, but it was so much better than just being hot and gross. Yeah, it's a good hip man. I'm I'm not uh not opposed to that for sure, because let's say I went it wasn't long. Once I got back from there, Casey and I went to the Halo Wilderness. There's like three days. I mean, I spent the rest pretty much. I spent most of September without a bath. I mean, you know what I mean. So but we we ended up taking a bath in the Hailo River on the way out after several days in in the way back country. And so you know, that's just like such a good feeling man. You just can't hardly explain the refreshness that you try. Well, it sounds kind of like, you know, we're joking about this, but it really is, like it really provides a psychological boost. And you know, when you're talking about hunting and miserable conditions, things like that matter, like they're going to keep you around longer. You're gonna hunt more. And you know, like you I would never give anybody the advice of like, oh, if you're going to hunt, try to take a bath in the river. You might kill a deer. Like that's a that's a pretty non linear way to go from no buck to buck. But really taking care of yourself a little bit and being happier is a big deal out there. And you only you don't have that many options to do it, you know. Oh yeah, and that goes for about near any hunt. It's the same principle if you're hunting during the blizzard and you go in and get a hot lunch. You know, you gotta do something to keep you keep you in the game. So I got a little bit different question. Um, I've I've actually never hunted at early early season white tail. You know, I've hunted at the openers, you know, all in Texas and whatnot. But you've hunted around and hunted different states. Um, And it seems like there'd be continuity in latitudes as far as like what early seasons are, but that's not really the case. You know, you got like North Dakota, which is one of the most northern states in the Union that has an early season, and you got Kentucky, which is kind of the south that also has an early season. Um, white tail can't be doing the exact aim because it's just a different latitude right as much further north. So like our all early seasons kind of gauged the same, or you kind of thinking something different if you're going like to a more southern wind versus a more northern one. Um. You know, there's two things going on there. You know, if you're if you're that far outside the rut, no matter where it opens up, you're essentially on you know, those deer are living off of their stomachs, you know, So I don't think you I don't think it would be that different. I've never hunted Kentucky, but I don't think it would be that different in Kentucky versus North Dakota on a September one or a September three opener. Uh. The other thing they have going on it really doesn't matter when you're opener is you know some states are October one, you know, most of them are spread out through September at some point. But you're you're you're playing off of that haven't been hunted bonus, you know, so you're you're just kind of like counting on these deer are Maybe they're gonna be a little more relaxed now than they would be any other time of the season, just because they haven't been hunted yet. And you know, I mean, obviously if you're on public land, there's some scouting pressure and stuff, but you're like playing that angle no matter where you are, So most of the time, it's just food and you're hoping you catch one slipping that won't slip up in two weeks. So what about Okay, so you said they're they're kind of controlled by their stomachs. What about like if you were to go like in some area there's plenty of them um specifically out west, but like an area that doesn't really have any egg um that deer eating, so some kind of canyon country or something like that, or just rolling type stuff that's grays land. Um. I know you like to hunt water a lot um, but you know, our deer still controlled by their stomach And if so, are you hunting them on that pattern? And what what pattern would that be if there's no agg around, Bros. I'll be this year because of the way the openers an up. I'm gonna go to North Dakota for the opener and then I'll come home for a couple of days. Then I'm gonna take one of my little girls to Wisconsin and I think they're gonna hunt and you know, we'll be kind of big woods type stuff up there. And so the first two weekends of September, essentially I'll be hunting deer and it'll be all brows you know, or you know, primarily a browse situation, and you know, there's a there's a big difference though, if you can get into a state like North Dakota where you can glass them. So even if there's not a destination food source, like there really won't be. Where I'm at, there used to be, but it's it's gone now, and so we'll be just glass and deer that are browsing through. And if you know, if it's a hundred degrees, we'll be playing the water. But if it's like last year, you know, part of the reason those bugs were so bad Nebraskas they had so much rain, and so you know, there's a wild card there where you're like, oh, yeah, it's gonna be early September, it's gonna be hot, I'm gonna go play water. Well, there might be water everywhere, and so then you just you have to think about the food no matter what. And at think that's what I think. You know, I've spent a lot of time in northern Wisconsin trying to kill big woods bucks and it's just taught me so much about brows because you're not playing that destination food source game. And I think a lot of hunters get off of that and they don't they don't really know what to do, you know, like you can't put a camera on a bean field, or you can't sit here and glass of bean field or go sit on it on opening night when you're when you're playing that pattern of deer walking through cover and nibbling here and nibbling there. It's it's just a different thing. You have to treat it differently, you know, Yeah, for sure. So you mentioned glassing a little bit. Um. That's of course, when you get a chance to use glass and it's something you do, and when you get a chance to hunt agriculture, it's something you do, right. Um. But there those two things don't always intersect, you know. And sometimes maybe you know, these states with early seasons are gonna have like rolling planes and stuff like that, or you're gonna have places that there's flat but it's agg culture egg country with you know, broken timber or whatever. If you had to choose one of the two, glass in country or agriculture country, which which one are you going to choose to go hunt to early early season glass? And you know I want open country, um, you know, because egg I mean This is totally a generalization, but I love summertime glassing. It's one of my favorite things to do. Like, I think you learn so much about buck behavior by watching them, and that's the easiest time to see a big one. But when you get into more egg you get into smaller properties typically, and you get into situations where the neighbor might have a bean field and soak up half of your bucks that you could watch, you know, and so you're just it's more a function of having the space to find them to glass than that. You know, if if you have an awesome bean fielder alfalfa field on a place you can hunt and you can glass it, yeah, that's that's a great situation to a buck early. But just generally, if you're talking being a public land hunter, I want to get somewhere. I want to get to a state that has lots of public land that allows me to get up in glass. And it's you that's usually broken terrain with not a ton of destination food sources around so um in that country. And you're talking about your hunting deer on brows and is brows would browse be like the main thing that you're hunting Those deer on um. You know, like what would you say that, you know, like if you're hunting egg, if you're hunting a bean field, you're basically hunting those deer based off the fact that you know they're going to be in the beans. Then you would figure out betting and all of that, right, So, like, are you hunting that browse as as a main um habit? I guess for them? And does like do you find brows like that they prefer? I guess in like like a low slough or something like that, or how do you how do you figure out what they're prefer I guess, um, it depends if you can watch them or not. You know, when you when you get out west, you can see them, and so you don't It doesn't I don't care what they're eating as as long as I can see where they like to walk, you know. But if I'm talking you know northern Wisconsin that that's kind of where so much of that winter scouting comes in because you know, like you mentioned the destination food source, Well you have like half of the puzzle right there. If you know you have a place they like to end up at or where they start in the morning, then you've got, you know, you're so far ahead. But when you're just like, okay, they're just walking through the woods here and there's food everywhere, it's then it starts to come down to, Okay, where are the benches or where the ridges they really like? Or is there a creek or something they like to follow, you know, because dear they live kind of I was talking about this, but they live kind of like Walleyes, like they follow contour and train features and cover, and they just they have these this way of traveling about them. And so it's it's way harder to figure out on a brows pattern because you're you're just like having to put pieces together. They're usually really hard to see unless you walk in. There are a lot in the off season. But when you start figuring that out, it's kind of like elk hunting. You start to go, it really seemed to like these kind of benches or these kind of ridges, or it sure seems like there's a lot of sign concentration down on this creek bottom, and you just start to put stuff together like that, But it's not to me. The brows thing is not like, Okay, they're eating this kind of plant this week. So I'm going to find a patch of that and sit over it. I gotta never you know, like I've had that with mask obviously once in a while with soft mass, but mostly with hard mass like acorns. But usually it's just like you're finding a place do you like to go, and you'll watch them and you'll see them go through and they're just picking their way through feeding. You know. You see that a lot in where there's good timber production, where there might be a clear cut of a certain age. You just watch them and they're just like eating their way through the landscape of following specific roads. Yeah, So you using your mornings to kind of figure that stuff out and and spending a lot of time even hunting. Are you kind of bailing off in there in the morning trying to head those deer off when they're headed back to bed? I do I always do that. I mean, I you know, I've talked about this a billion times, but one of my biggest pet peeves with the hunting industry is we've sold this. Uh, I don't know how you like, it's almost like a make news fake news. Well it is fake news when people say, well, you can't kill a buck in the early season in the morning, and it's so prevalent, and I'm going just think about every individual hunting situation out there, and you think, like there's nobody out there who could figure out a way to slip into the woods and catch one coming back to bed. It's crazy. You know, I've done it lots of times, and it gets really I shouldn't say easy, but it gets easier when you can glass them in the morning. So like that Western broken terrain, your your morning glass ng is as beneficial as the because you get to see how those bucks leave the food source and go back to where they bed. Like that information money. It's a lot harder to find at in you know, bigger cover. But that's where trail cameras come in, at least for me, in a major way. So you're hanging trail cameras when you go on a public hunt in early season. No, No, So if I'm I very rarely use trail cameras on public land. Um. If I'm if I'm hunting public land in the early season, it's typically something I can either glass or something I've I've been able to walk and scout in the winter, and I'm using that to inform my morning decisions, and a lot of times, you know, I treat mornings just like I do evenings. If I go out and you know, I sit in the morning and I watch a buck work his way through three yards away. When that when it's new and I'm pulling that standard, I'm gonna move that stand over there, or I'm making a note like when the conditions are right, that's where I'm going to be the next time I can mourn and hunt. I got you, I got you. So how oftener books looping as opposed to like same trail in the same trail out whenever you're talking about like a bed defeed kind of like that, man, I don't see I don't see tons of consistency. I shouldn't say that. If it's September one, you can see a lot of consistency in morning and evening travel. I mean, like st trail, same route, same crossings. When it gets to about September, it's like maybe once every four or five days, and so it becomes a different kind of thing. I mean that that's one of the that's like such a big appeal of those early season hunts is you can get those suckers doing the same thing over and over and over again, and that pattern when you get when you get out there, Let's see you do that September one opener in Nebraska. You know, if you're on a seven day hunt or atten day hunt, that pattern is probably gonna mostly die by the end of your trip. Got you. So let's talk about this a little bit. Um. You you show up, say you're you're kind of probably more in a situation that you might have seen last year where like you're hunting. This is what at least for me, I would I would say I hunted like some big core land or whatever. But like there's definite you know, small tracks around. So say you're in an area where there's several smaller tracks and so you're in that like broken small track agg country that you were talking about earlier. What what is your first move when you arrive and how are how are you finding a deer to shoot? Um? Well, you know, the first moves come way before you arrive with all the digital scouting, and then you know, you you just kind of get through the plan and I just walk in. You know, I try to build in at least the day or two to scout and set up and my plan is just to burn through spots and get in there and go, okay, does this one look good or not? And it really, you know, it's it's kind of basically the same process whether you're hunting a giant place, like I know you were down in Nebraska, got a pretty big place, or if you've got you know, six different w m a spread out over you know, ten twenty mile radius or whatever, it's like where where do I think they're gonna be, where's the food, where's the water? And where do I think people aren't going to be? And you just get in there and look at him and go this one works, this one doesn't. And it's like even when you hunt the same places, you know, if you go to the same land over again, it's like it's never the same thing, and so you just kind of have to resign yourself to like, okay, where I come a buck last year, where I saw these deer going through is probably not going to be the same thing for some reason, and so you just have those backup plans and go, Okay, you know, I want to see this pond, I want to see this field edge, I want to check this spot out, or I want to glass here and you just start checking stuff off the list, and it's like, you know, sometimes you get it right right away and it's amazing, but most of the time you get a lot of it wrong. Yeah, and that's and so so you're how often, I guess, are you going into these spots and seeing a deer before, Like, you know, if you're going in there and you're just looking for specific sign and hoping that like that one sixty or whatever it might be, Um, acreage has like a shooter buck on it, or are you um saying that's a good piece, so I'm gonna back off and glass the field from the truck or something like that, or how does that look? You know what I mean? Are you just hunting it based on the you know, your knowledge and you're like, oh, well this is you know, got some old rubs in it or whatever, and so there's probably some decent bucks in here. Listen. I kind of operate under the assumption that if there is a decent chunk of white sail ground, it has a buck in it that I'd be happy with. And this is I think this is one of the problems with public land is we we look at this and we go, you know, I don't think that that caliberra buck is in there that I want to hunt. And what what happens a lot of times is people will tell me that like, yeah, you could go hunt here, but you're never gonna see a buck over two and a half years old. And then you go out there and hunt, and it's just like totally different than what they say. And so and I've seen that everywhere. I mean, I've seen that in Oklahoma. I've seen that in in like every public land state I've hunted, which is quite a few. And in addition to just the public land around my house in the Twin Cities, and I go, man, I think there's more of these good deer out there than we think, and so I don't get hung up on knowing who lives there. Like I know, the place that I really started to like hunting in northern Wisconsin. It kind of sucks. There's a lot of people in there, and it's not that good, but it's really big woods, and you know, at certain points of the season, a great big buck goes through there. He might live there, he might not, but he's traveling through there, and so it's just one of those things that he's just kind of I kind of live off that like belief that I'm If you're in good cover and you're in a decent place, you're probably around a buck that's gonna make you happy. How do you uh kind of scale that for yourself? You know, the buck that makes you happy? It's of course it's so untangible, right, But like, um, I always say, I'm not the guy who uh goes by the old adage of don't pass on the first day, which you'd take on the last, you know, because I mean I like to take home and dear um and in some instance don't. That's okay, But like you know, we're out there to shoot something to eat, and if you don't take home something to eat, sometimes your wat's like, hey, why do you go do that? You know? So, uh, I don't know how how do you decide what's gonna make you happy? Ah? Man? It's partially how how full is my freezer? Yeah? You know what, I'm September one mighty pretty empty? Right, Well, that's my plan every year, and I get pretty close to that, and so it's just it's just a matter of where I'm at as far as that. To some extent, you know, if you drive, if you drive out of state. You got a bunch of money and time invested in there, and it's day five and a little scrapper walk by. There's a there's a good chance I'm gonna thump him if I if I have some room in my freezer. But you know, like last year, I had a good September and I killed two good bucks right away and I killed a bull elk, and so I went the rest of the season thinking I want something a little bigger and something that's going to mean something to me. And so it was other than I killed a doe with my daughter with me, But I uh, I was like, I don't. I don't care now about meat, you know, like I don't, I don't need it, And so it was just a different I went in it to it differently. And you know, I ended my basically ended my season in North Dakota hunting public land and in a spot I'd never been to. And my goal there was just to kill a good one because I didn't I had nothing left to prove for the season. And I'm like, okay, I'm I just I want a good one and I'm gonna that's what I'm gonna sit around and wait for and you know, in a year where I'm struggling, that might not be the case. And so it kind of goes by that, and it just kind of goes now by like what what how do I feel? You know, like, is that does that? Dear? Am I excited? Or do I feel like I'm killing that for business reasons or feel like I should? Then I don't want it? You know? Yeah? Yeah, makes sense. Um, So you mentioned earlier that before you pick a piece of property or before you go into a piece of property to kind of get your eyes on it. Um, you know, there's a lot of work that goes into that, UM in the scouting and that kind of thing. Are you just using on X to determine how you're you know, what properties you're um gonna step foot on and and are you you know, are you going here's one, two, three, four, five? And these are the this is the priority? Yeah. I mean, you know, I live off on X and I just I spend I'm just I think that probably the biggest advantage we have as hunters now verse it's twenty years ago, is that, Like, I don't I think if you if you said give away you know, your laser range finder or give away your trail cameras. There's a lot of stuff I'd give away before that, before on and it's because you know, you can just you can get so much of the work done and have such a good idea what you're getting into. And I'm sure you guys have seen this where you know, you look at a new state or a new property and you go, man, that looks awesome, and I'm going here, and I'm going here, and then you get there and you realize it's like grays down to nothing or it's different comverored than you thought. And when you have like more and more experience like that of going, okay, I've got hours on on X looking at this stuff, and then when you get there, you go, okay, this this is exactly what I thought, or this isn't what I thought, and you know, it's it's a surprise. Like the more you do that, the more comfortable you get calling your shots and going okay, going to a new state, picking some new property. And I feel really confident in plan A, Plan B, Plan C because I've been there and done that, and it's not like there's like a learning curve to on X or you know, if you're just looking at satellite imagery and going, this is your spot, because sometimes you get there and there's just no place to set up. There's no trees, there's no place to build a ground blind or you just you look at it and go nope, it just this does not do it for me. And the more you do that kind of stuff and spend time hunting that way, I think you just get better at it. Yeah, yeah, for sure, I think that that's something that really learned. You know, going to these more agricultural based states like um, you had to learn right to learn at least that when you see crops it doesn't mean like when you see corn, that doesn't mean it's corn. You know, like that there's the rotation of stuff. Yeah you're chuckling because you grew up with it, you know, but like you know, all we have is behaya pastures out here. You know. It's the same thing every year, you know, and you learn that stuff over. Like one of the big impactful ones is that, um, you know, wheat harvests across the US are are down because the price of wheat is down, so people are playing different things or they're putting those fields in the c RP and that sort of thing. So if you're looking at an image from two or three years ago even and it looks like it's winter wheat every year, that might not actually be the case. You might show up and it's a bunch of bloodweeds in a pastor, you know, and that's a completely different situation, oh for sure. And that's that's a good I'm glad you brought that up, because that point is like you hear that a lot with people where they look at and go, holy color, there is a pivoty or gated field here in the middle of nowhere, and then you show up and that you know, it hasn't been a field in three years and it's just fallow or you know, like you said, you might think, oh my god, there's gonna be a corn field here in this spot, and you show up and it's something totally different, and so you can only count on like you can only count on that being like an egg field. You can't count on there being just lush, green soybeans or whatever you're hoping is there. So describe in agg country, um small parcel kind of thing, you know what I mean, Like six forties and that kind of thing. Describe what you would see on a map that would get you excited to get a look at it. We're like for an early season hunt. Yeah, uh, you know the first thing I'm gonna you know, I should say this if I'm if I'm going on an out of state hunt in an early season, I'm probably not going to a little property, or I'm probably not going I'm probably not going into a forty acre property because there's that's such an easy thing for one person to blow out and so or it's it's such an easy thing. Like if I if I pull up in there's a if it's a forty acre chunk and there's a truck there, I'm not going in there, you know. I mean, I'm not going in there probably if it's a hundred and sixty acres or you know, it's gonna have to be pretty big before I'd go in on somebody else. And so I just I don't. I don't need in those small properties very much. I mean I do around here where I live because that's all I have, but a lot of them are private. But so I kind of, you know, I like a little bit bigger, and I always like starting with water. You know, if I'm in a place that's an early season. That's what I'm gonna I'm gonna be looking for cattle ponds and stock tanks and rivers and creeks and just give myself a chance to go, Okay, this is this is what I would start on. And then you expand it out a little bit and look at food sources. You know, is there is there food on the public I I kind of prefer when there isn't, Like I like it when the neighboring private farm has good food, so they have to come and go in kind of a different way, you know, and then you know they're probably not gonna get hunted as hard on a food source. You know, I've never, very rarely do I run into a situation where the food on public is very good. You know that that's changing a little bit with these walk benches, Like where we killed our bucks last year in Nebraska. I mean we hunted a dreamy bean field right on public. It was it was a gift, right, but that would have been a different story two weeks in. And so I look for those easy things, right and then it's like always access Okay, well, how you know how easy is this property to get into and and you know, the other thing I look at is where are they going to go if they get blown off the easy stuff? And so you know, it's it's a little bit different on you know, maybe a September fourth hunt versus like the fifteen or the twenties. But I really think those early season staging areas are the key for a lot of good hunts. And so if you don't have that, or even if you do have that destination food source to start on or that killer water source, it doesn't take that long to to book r own. And you know, you're probably not gonna put them totally nocturnal, or somebody else hunting them probably isn't gonna just totally you know, make them go overnight, but they'll probably start staging back in the cover and they might just back up a couple hundred yards. And you know, I see this in Minnesota where I hunt a lot where the field edge thing starts to die before the season even opens. And then when you get all those hunters who are eager to get out there and the small game hunters, those bucks just go, Um, I think I'm gonna I think I'm gonna hold out back here in the timber until dark and then come out and so kind of build that layer in just just in case you need it. Can you find a staging area, like like you're talking about, um, from a map or do you have to go in there and go, oh, here's a bunch of whatever it might be that they're browsing. Um, it depends you know you can you can find them for sure, or at least you can kind of like narrow down your areas. You know, if you know where they're going or or you know where they're going to start from, then you can go, Okay, what's in between here? Where's the cover? And then you kind of know and you can see. I mean, one of my favorite things if if I have like a mid September opener, one of my favorite things is when I run across a rub on like September eleven somewhere in the woods, then I go, this is telling me a And if you find a couple rubs early, then you know you're probably you're probably getting into a staging area there. I got you. Another thing you mentioned was that you like to start with water. Um, so do how much I mean, how much do a dear need water when their brows and beans all not um. It depends, you know, if you if you hunt bean, uh, this is a total This is probably gonna get me canceled, but it's gonna get me kicked out of the deer hunting world. When you hunt beans a lot, you watch them and the beans start green and they eat the stems and you can watch them, and then it goes yellow and they seem to like kind of back off of them a little. You'll see them still in there, especially if there's low spots where they stay green, because it doesn't you know, it's not like all of a sudden, you know, you flip a switch and they go from green to yellow. It kind of you know, it happens in grades and then they go brown and they really dry out. And if you can hunt beans when it's raining generally, it's phenomenal and and it only gets better later it gets And I always look at that, I'm like, they do they come out here to eat these because it's wet, because they're not eating these dry beans now. And I don't know if that's true or not, but I know what I've seen a lot, and it sure seems like there's a connection there, and it doesn't when we think about hunting like water sources, like, well, if they're eating green beans all night long, are they really that thirsty? You know? I don't know. But what I know is like, even when it's cold and I've had really good water sources to hunt, it seems to be built into their travel. And so I used to hunt this place in northern Minnesota that had a hay field on it. So I had a cat tail slew and some big woods, and I had a hay field, and the deer were gonna end up in the hay field. But between that and uh, the cat tail sleu where a lot of them like to bed on the high spots. There's a little pond and it was the place to sit because you sit there in those deer would get up in that cattail slow and they'd all gravitate towards that pond and they go out to the field. And it was you'd see that on days where you'd be like, there's no, absolutely no reason why these deers should leave a wet cat tail slow in cold weather to come here to drink this water. But they would, m hmm. So they're just kind of you think a lot of times deer just building in water stop before they head to I think it's just survival, man, like I think when we we think about it, you know, we we probably don't pay attention to how much water we drink until it's hot, and then we go we're drinking a lot of water, and we're drawn to it, but you're thirsty throughout the day. And I think for them that's just like when you're when you're a wild prey animal. I think there's like certain things they just they know they need for survival, and they find a water source they like, and it's it's around their travel world. They're gonna they're gonna hit it up. And I've seen that in other places to where you just shouldn't there shouldn't be like a huge sing need or you wouldn't think there would for them to go like their thirst, but they do. And you know, when you get out to those Western states, sometimes if you've got like a cattle guzzler that's bubbling over, there will be green grass or green growth downhill from that that you can't find anywhere else. It's getting watered all the time. And so I actually I killed the buck in North Dakota to two or three years ago on a pattern like that. I killed he came into the water, but they were coming in there to water and to eat that fresh growth because everything else was brown and yellow. Yeah, makes good sense. I've seen that happen in the hill country of Texas to same scenario, you know, just different part of the world where you know, windmills are pumping out water on the ground and it becomes little oasis. So dude, let's talk about bucks man. I like bucks. Uh. One thing that people don't really cover a lot, and when we talked about early season is the fact that, um, a lot of those bucks are bachelor groups at that time of year, right, or at least tell me if I if I'm kind of making the right inferences, is you'll have deer in bachelor groups. So if you set up and you do see a buck, um, is it beneficial just to maybe say, hmm, I wonder what's behind that buck right there and to kind of wait because there's gonna be five or six more come by. That's yeah. So that's a if you especially if you can hunt them in velvet. It's so it's so amazing how often there is four or there are six or whatever. That that will come out. And it's not like they all walk out single file, you know, it's you know, the little guys oftentimes get out there first, and then another one joins them, and then two more join them, and it's that's kind of one of the you're kind of at a disadvantage with that if you're traveling and you have no history with a place, like if you if you haven't been able to glass a lot, you go, you know, I don't I don't know who's who's with who, or how many there are, and so you're you're at a little bit of a disadvantage there. But I mean, it's it's amazing how often when you hunt those early season states where your glass and go, okay, those five are hanging out together, and then you hang a stand for him, and it's such a rush when you see the first one coming, because you can almost bet that everybody is in the group, and it's really cool, and you know, it's it's not so at least in my experience, a lot of times it seems like it's maybe two to five bucks. You see a lot of times where two bucks hang out together, but you might get four, you might get five, But knowing who's together, and then you know when they when they go hard antlerd it's kind of like all bets are off. And I've killed bucks that I've watched in some of these states that were velvet until the day I killed them, and always with other bucks and came in solo, and so you just don't know, you know, do you feel like there's a dynamic that's it's kind of holds true in those bachelor groups to wear like maybe they're a dinker in every group, and then there's a couple like up and comers, and then there's one to two mature bucks that are almost in every batchlor group. Or is it different to where you have your teenager group and you have your old man group and that sort of thing. Man, you know, they seem to mix. It seems to be I don't see, I see I see the if a year class is going to stay together, it seems like it's a lot of times it's scrappers. And then if you get if you have a group that has a big one in it, it usually has some you know, maybe like a two year old and a three year old and a five year old or something like that. You know, like a decent book, a nice buck and then a big one or something like that. But I've seen them, you know, I killed a buck, uh, probably about six or seven years ago, you know, on an early season hunt that I had watched, had watched these four bucks, and they were all good ones together. They were all really nice, dear and they had no little ones and no giants with them. But every you know, all four of them were good. We're living together them for quite a while before I killed them, and so you just you just don't know. But that's that's like, you know, that's one of those huge advantages of getting to glass. You know who's living together, and also you just know who's in the area. You know, Like we we always talked about taking inventory with trail cameras. Man I would take inventory with my spotting scope over that any day. Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Do you feel like ever, um, like, when bucks are in bachelor groups before dispersion has happened, does it ever kind of get you down because you're like, man, I feel like if I go on there in the rut, then you know there's a buck every forty acres, well like right now, Yeah, that's still the same ratio holds true. But they're all concentrated in this two acre spot, and there might be six hundred acres that have no bucks because they're all together. You ever think about that all the time? Man? Yeah, when you that's why I don't like little properties to release, because it's it is so true. And you know, we've seen that on the main farm that I hunt in Minnesota the last couple of years has not had a single bean field on it, but the neighbors have. And so I know a decent percentage of the bucks that I'm hunting are not where I can hunt them. And so you just you go, okay, well who's hitting the offalfa, Who's who's hitting this pond? And you just you do have a smaller pool to fishing. But it's that that's a small property thing generally. You know, if you if you get out to where you've got some room to roam, then I don't worry about it as much because they're they're probably those bucks are probably going to be somewhere that you can hunt them. Okay. So if you were going to take your your average hunt for in the early season, you show up what a day or two ahead of opening day, probably and what what what does it look like? Do you do you spend three days before you even sit in the stand or and then what happens when you go into sit and stand? And do you work your way closer? And how does all that typically look? Um? I really if I can glass, what I'll try to do is, you know, I'll try to at least get one morning and one evening, hopefully two mornings to evenings, and then I'm I'm really trying to pick out the spot to kill one. So I'm looking for the tree they walk by, and I actually I carry my camera gear with me when I'm glassing, and so if I watch bucks cross a river or go through a certain spot, I'll photograph that spot and I'll zoom in with my camera and look at the trees, because I want to know where I killed that Nebraska buck last year when those bucks came out. When I first found um, I took a bunch of photos there. I was taking pictures of the bucks, but I could actually zoom into the tree line and go, Okay, maybe I can hang a stand in there. Maybe I can hang a stand in there. And that's kind of stuff I'm doing in my tent after we're done, and I actually kill old my buck and my buddy this buck out of a tree that I could see on there where I was like, this is probably the one that we can get into. And you know, of course you might get there and it might be a leaner or something you don't know, uh, you might might have might not work for you. But I'm really when you when you get to watch them go through the terrain, it just gives you this idea of like there's an ambush spot, but they walked right by this lone cottonwood or you know, you can you can narrow it down to the spot you'll actually kill and that's there's Man, there's such an advantage to that. Yeah. Man, that's a great idea. I hadn't even thought about that. Um So, so you're trying to you're trying to go in and kill a deer on the first sit based off of what you have experienced, what you've seen, and so to me it would seem that and correct me if I'm wrong, that you are not just picking a spot a track to hunt, but that you're also picking a spot that you can go into and see hopefully what you need to see without messingerra right, Yeah, yep, yeah, I mean it's you just never know. I mean it depends where you're hunting. I mean some places just by necessity you have to go in, but usually if it's at all possible, That's why I try to spend more of my winter scouting time in those places. So you have that framework built already. No, you're not walking in blind most of the time, you're going. Okay, last year there was a huge concentration to sign on this ridge. I'm gonna go in there and see what's going on right now, and you know it might be if you can't see where they are, it might be just as simple as you know, grabbing your standard, your saddle and going all right, the first good trail I find. I'm sitting over it just to see who comes down, because I know last year they made a bunch of sign there, so somebody, you know, even if that buck was shot out, somebody else probably filled in there. And you can kind of play it safe by not you know, going into deep you can still observe, and you put yourself in a position where you might kill and if it walks down trail, you know, So you are scouting from a stand sometimes all the time. Yeah, okay, that's that's I don't know how to put this. Yeah, I observe from tree standing. I set up observation stands all the time, and it hopes, you know, like sometimes you kill from them, but sometimes you're just learning. And I think that's like a I think it's just because you fail so much, like you just you get it, you get it wrong, so you just go, you know, I know I could maybe have a better chance of killing if I win in deeper, but I don't know where I'm going in deeper, and I don't want to screw this up, and so you sand bag it a little bit and you go, Okay, I'll hang back on the proffer and hopefully either you know, maybe I get lucky or maybe I see something that I can work with tomorrow. Man, so much good. If I appreciate you hopping on and doing this with this, I have I have a final question here, maybe a couple more, but this this is you know, we started out this podcast for like ten minutes, we just dogged on early season hunting and how terrible was so, so, why why do you continue to hide an early season Uh? Because it's a really good time to have a good hunt. And I mean, you know, if you want to encounter big ones, I think it's in the right situation, it's better than the rut. Personally, it's not as enjoyable. It's a different kind of hunt, but as far as encountering big ones, it's it's a really good time. And you know, for me, you know, when you're when you're from Minnesota like I am, our gun season opens the first weekend in November, so we might have five gun hunters in the woods on November three. So I grew up my entire life never counting on the rut, and so I'm just like a product of that to some extent. So I just I like, I don't know any different. I guess it's always been try to kill one quick, try to make September really special because you can't rely on it. You know, I don't live in Iowa. I don't have that chance to go, well, I have all in November to to get out there. And what the you know what that did for me is it just forced me to hunt when a lot of people don't really think it's gonna be the best time. And you just see and you can have some amazing hunts out there, see lots of bucks and and kill big ones, especially on public land, and so it is, uh, it takes a different kind of mindset and going on a rut hunt, you know, it's it takes a different You have to plan it differently and you have to have you have to like really temper your expectations and go, Okay, I know what I'm getting into. I know that there's gonna be a lot of parts of this that suck, but if you put the work in, you can find a really big one and kill him before most people are even thinking about hunting. Yeah, well that's awesome, man, Thank you so much for doing this. What's the best way for folks to go find what you're up to this season? Man? And and listen to the podcast? Um, yeah, you know, the Hunt FurReal podcast is anywhere that podcasts are, they can check that out. And then you know, I host anybody who's interested in dogs. I host Sporting dog Talk too, and we do all kinds of crazy dog stuff on that one. And then you know, all the writings for bow Hunter and meat Eater and North American white Tail and everywhere else. But you know, the kind of weekly update stuff will always be on the Hunt FurReal podcast Awesome Day. We'll link to all that below, so if you're interested to go check it out. Tony, thanks again, man, and hopefully you'll be send me some big bucks about September three big button pictures. Uh, if I send you one on September three, I'm in trouble because the opener is until the fourth. Yeah, North Dakota is a little bit, don't. They usually open a little earlier than that. It's the Friday before Labor Day weekend, so it's it can be the that can be, you know, it's just it's just late this year. So I'm hopefully on the night of the fourth, I'll send you a pick. There you go, send it over man. We'm about to do another big bug breakdown. Thank you guys, Thank you man. Tony's a wealth of knowledge and I'm super glad he came on to do that. Give us some information, give us some hype. Um. You know, we talked about Nebraska a lot in this podcast, and we actually um have a whole series from the season playlist of Nebraska on YouTube. It's definitely worth watching, I think, guys, if you're interested in this thing, it's I mean it kind of shows you the experience that we had, and that's what our aim is when we do videos. You know. Yeah, I really enjoyed the Nebraska series because I wasn't there for it, and uh so I was talking to you some, but I don't want to bother you too much while you're up there. But I think if I remember, you may have uploaded one while you were there something. Either way, I was getting them before I actually got the scoop from you, So it was kind of like being an element for I think. Okay, yeah, I think. I think what would happened was once I got home, it was gonna be the first videos from the playlist for the season, and so we were like, is this how we want to approach to the season videos? And so I was sending you stuff ahead time before the public. It was good stuff. It was cool, man, and I'm kind of real jelly that you got to go and just experience all those mosquitos. But you and Anthony y'all, y'all threw it down. Man, you made it happen. It was It was dude. It was honestly where I was at. And I think it can change because this is a particular core land that gets managed a certain way. But man, it was beautiful. Like I texted you the first day I got there, and I was like, you cannot believe this happened. I remember you're telling me about the believable dude, it was so cool and and it held so many dear. I just didn't really see a whole lot of big deer, but um, you know, I got to document basically, you know. The thing is with you and me is like when we traveled together, we were like, well, we'll get to talking about different things instead of videoing, which is why we have a video guy this year. But he might um, but when I was on myself, it's like eleven hours of just traveling. So I do a pretty good job of keeping the timeline in my head, knowing what I'm doing and what needs to be filmed. So it's actually like one of the better UH produced videos for as far as like timeline goes with not a whole lot of parts missing. And we saw I saw a ton of deer, so we got a lot of deer footage. Thanks for good footage. It does, man, and and we just didn't see the big deer. But Anthony ended up shooting a velvet buck a little bit velvet buck actually missed a dough, which was kind of weird, a weird situation, but like fifteen minutes before that buck, I mean, it was not long before that. Um and also makes sure get video and errors are flying, yeah, you know, but it was. It was really cool because I I hadn't talked to Anthony a whole lot in the last few years, UM, and he had moved off, you know, we hadn't hunted with each other in several years, and we got to actually share that stand and that that hunt that killed together. I got the video of the whole thing, you know, and it was a really cool moment. And since then we've been doing mat Scout Challenge stuff, that kind of thing, UM, which you know, will link to that stuff UM as we get into it. But we do have links below for the Nebraska stuff. So if you're listening, UM and and the first thing on the list on the notes, first thing, click that link and and that'll take you to the playlist to show you some of the Nebraska comment on every video, every single one, for real, dude, I mean, the the comments are big help to us. UM. Lately, I'm not sure how big a help, but they do help us. Um. And we just like hearing from you guys and being able to interact and and see what you guys are thinking about it. If you have any questions, we like to try to answer whatever we can. Um. But you know, if you're just looking to go kill it the ere man, that's a cool spot. And I've pretty much told everybody where that is. So yeah, I've showed some map stuff. I think even we gave it away in the map Scout in uh intro stuff, you know, so like it's out there. Um, I just didn't feel like there's a whole lot of big bucks around. So I don't know how I'm gonna approach it this year, um, but I do appreciate being able to have that footage and go back and look at that. I watched it a couple of months ago. And the cool thing is, man, when you video your hunts is that you've got them. You know, you can go back and watch stuff and remember what you were thinking. And it's almost like keeping a journal, you know. And so I'm I'm looking forward to all the videos are gonna make this year. Um. The We're gonna do like a little watch party, and I think it's probably just gonna be our families. I don't know if we're gonna actually have uh listeners and stuff involved in it, but it would be cool if we could figure something out, Like hey, I follow this dude, Well this is probably game planning. It doesn't have to be on the podcast, but you're gonna be a part of it. Um, hey it for real if you are a fan, let us know if this is a good idea. I follow a guy on YouTube who his name is star Wars Theory. He's like three million subscriber top guy. Yeah, and he does these things. Were like he plans that everybody watches his video at six pm on the dot, and then everybody wants the videos over like that he knows it's fifty four minutes long or whatever. They all gop on and do this live thing where they discuss what just happens or what just happened or whatever. Really, so how does that work? Um? Like he just goes live and they all discussed and ask questions and stuff. Yeah, I got it. Yeah that's cool. Yeah, that would be pretty fun. You know. We did um some like premiers I think they were uh last year on some of those season videos and so like as the video is premiering, there's like a comment, you know, like through the comments section. It's like a live feed, so we can all just kind of chat about what's going on. Chat ak talk smack the whole time. Pretty Cody Brown gets on there and ruins all of my pride, you know, so um no, but it it's fun and we might try to do some more of that stuff in the future. I'm really looking forward to it. We've got a new season intro that is made up and it's pretty much there may be one or two clips that change, but it's pretty much like I mean, it's almost all clips that happened last year. I think there's only like three clips from the past, and these are like very quick hitters like the last time. With the schedule we got this year, we might have to make two season intros. I'm just saying the song you know, so uh I hope, So man, I'm looking forward to. Man, I'm looking forward to the watch party because there's a few videos I haven't watched. I've been kind of like when I travel and stuff like that, I'll just listen to them and just remember what happened you know, I don't try to try not to glance down if I'm driving or whatever. Um, but you know, it's just it's it's cool to go back and relift some of those. So, but there's a few that I haven't watched yet. Um, so we're gonna have to get together and cook some backstrap or something, do that thing. Maybe eat some fresh tomatoes. That sounds all good. Um. I ate your cherry bomb peppers. I cracked up because my mom she's like, she can eat hot hot stuff, and she uh saw. I was like, hey, try that pepper right there and let me know what you think. Casey said, they're really hot. She goes, who, not at all. It's I was like, maybe it's just pepper to pepper, And so we cut up the other one and it was I didn't ever try the one that she said wasn't. But the one the next one I tried was not that hot. I mean it was pretty hot. That was like, I guess it's like a pepper and pepper thing. I don't guess. Maybe y'all really have me question my like ability to handle hot stuff now, but I'm not, No, I don't think so. I don't want you to feel like that. I got one out there that's got cracks on the top. Yeah, I bet you it's gonna be hot. It probably got something happened narrow. Did you eat them raw? Yeah? Yeah, because you told me you cooked them and it kind of stopped. I was wondering if that one was that one that you had tried. Roll Yeah, as hot as fire roll Okay, Yeah, Well I don't know. I don't know what they said on my thing all day, so maybe that did something suck that kest kept sayings in at him with a sun or something. I don't know what happened, but yeah, it was. They were not that bad, Son, Well, they were pretty tasty peppers. Yeah, they have a good flavor. I think so too. It's hard to be to Helpinio though. I like Serranto's too, and I like Anaheimes like peppers in all that. Remember this is your element, live it it

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