00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler and this is Casey and you're listening to the Element podcast. So last week we started with Lowe's I Am the Night that was in the music and we just figured out that he and I are very like because I have a song called the Night that we use oftentimes. Yeah, man, nothing like us, some good any musicians. Man, Yeah, alright, guys, right off the bat, this is a crazy, crazy world. This is not going to be a political podcast. We're not going to do that. Um, even outside of politics, We're just not going to contribute to that too much because there's so much going on. There's plenty of news outlets if you if you need that kind of stuff, we will say that if you follow our platform much, you know our hearts, you know that there's no room for hate in anyone's heart who's a believe in Jesus. And uh that's all you need to know, right well, said banks Man. Very concise. That's what I tried. I love concision. Anyway. You know what, I had a I had a nightmare the other night. Uh, this was one of the last nights that I was actually in my shop, and um it was weird, man. I dreamed that the element was bought out by meat Eater how much I don't remember. I know that would have been I was it was, it wouldn't have been a nightmare if it was okay, so um, I had this nightmare in um. Like in the nightmare, we couldn't um. We had to wear first slide obviously, and then and which which I have first lat of stuff, and I'm sure it's quality stuff. The stuff that I have is is I like it a lot. It's just Marino, you know or whatever, but it's super soft and and it was and it was never you know, like an itchy Marino. So in my in other words, even back then, it wasn't itchy Marino, you know what I mean? So um, But what my my point is that like they took away all our rights to be able to like wear my real tree um boogie man suit, you know, and and like any like anything at all, Like you know how I like my hats and you do too, and like I want to I want to be able to wear the hat that looks good on my head because my head is real big, and if it doesn't look good on my head, then my head could look very very big, you know, like uh do you ever play gold Nye Double Set? Yeah, you know how you'd you ever play big head Mode? You never did, because you can head shoot so easy when you play big head Mode, you know. Yeah. Anyway, that's what I feel like most of the time walking around. But yeah, so it was it was I don't know why, but I woke up like breathing hard because I was like, all of a sudden, we have no freedom to do anything that's like real anymore. We're having to be controlled, you know. So it was a weird deal, but I'm glad I woke up from that dream. It was one of those ones that was so real. It took me a second to snap out of it and realize, now we're in reality, we can do whatever we won't do, you got So, I just wanted to make an announcement to our listener base here. Since they're captured, Casey has turned to a figure. That's right, I am growing figs all over the place and like, but a figure is somebody who like is pretty. It is a pretty good hobbyist in regards to figure. He can call me that. And I just saw redhitted woodpicker out there. They're pretty birds anyways. Yeah, So uh, like you have orchardists who kind of are into all kinds of fruit trees. At the moment, I am a figure, but I will probably become an orchardist. But figs are are kind of really easy to deal with. And since we don't have an official property, uh that we live on yet, it's kind of hard to do the orchard thing. But yeah, also, figs are super hardy and super easy to propagate, so like they're pretty low Maine. Do you have any figs growing yet? Yeah? You do. I got some celests that are going to produce this year pretty good. I don't know if mine's gonna produce this year. Yeah, But there's one round up here on right up the road that's got a ton on it. Whose places you know, where you turning to my dad's where my dad's developed that kind of edition. Right there, it's like right here, like when you turn and start to head left, you'll see a fig tree on your right and it is loaded. Dude, what color? They're kind of purplish? I'm sure it's really interesting. It's greenish purpose if it's a crop. Braba yeah, kind of like your nickname for your kid, that's weird. Breba is like the crop of figs that produces off of last year's growth. It's the first crop, and then you have a true crop, which is later in in the like late summer, early fall, and that's where the sweeter but smaller figs are usually Braba is bigger but not quite as good. Well, there it's been that fig tree has been there a while, Like it's big. That's what I want one of those so bad. Man, I'm gonna I'm gonna play as many figs in the ground as I can. Just do it that way because it's a lot of guys do contain your figs, And I can see why because you can really control your environments that way. You don't lose any of frostring thing. But man, if you can get an established fig in the ground, like oh, you're talking thousands of figs a year, you know, as opposed to like twenty per tree, so it'd be legit. It can make so many fig newts. Oh, man, I cannot wait to just make a meal of figs. Smell good too, man, Like, yeah, like the fig tree smells good. Uh. It reminds me of um a little bit, like uh, juicy fruit gum a little bit it's kind of the smell somewhat but maybe not quite as fruity, but kind of sweet fruit ish smell. Man, I'm ready for mine to do something. Yeah, we need to Uh well, there's a lot of pruning that needs to be done on a lot of trees. Uh, but all those fig trees that you buy, like from the orchard, actually need to be pruned off, and so they can read row new stuff. Really, I kind of learned that since I'll play in mind learning new stuff. So a lot of people this time of year are trying to learn stuff about white tails and get ready for him season. I'm just trying to learn about treaties. Well, so that kind of like brings me to think about our guest of the day, which uh is Chancey Walters and a lot of people will know him from the white Tail Adrenaline stuff. He's the guy with the cool voice. Yeah, you know what. The whole time we were talking to him, I was thinking, this sounds just like my buddy west Lowry. Yeah, And they said the same thing in the podcast Rutting Around. Man, it's funny they have They have a very similar like dialect, man like, and uh, even their voice kind of sounds similar. I think, Yeah, yeah, I wonder if they're from like Okay, first of all, chance he's from or lives in Iowa. I wonder if he's from further south because he doesn't have that Midwest accident, have a whole lot of ools in there not no. Uh yeah, So anyway, Chance he's uh if you know him from the White Teller Adrenal and stuff, Chancey is actually just a all around outdoorsman. Uh, cool dude, easy to talk to man, just fun guy to be around. It seems like, um, but yeah, nose fishing very well. Um, so kind of fits right into what you and I like to do, just hobbyists. Yeah, that's what we're gonna talk about is a lot of just the fun stuff in life. And so like when you watch White Tell Adrenalin, you see them hunting public ground a lot or all only you know, so um, and they kind of have a specific style that's very difficult, um to probably achieve success in, but they do it. They create success for themselves by doing it, and they're known for that. Um. But you know, one thing I've I've noticed lately is and this just it makes me wonder, like what are dudes thinking, but dudes are leaving like phenomenal public land or private land to hunt public land right now? A lot. It's a cool thing, it is, isn't it. No? Well, I mean no, I mean I haven't really. I still hunt like the which you're referring to is Kansas and uh I've hunted there. I killed it either not this year but last year. Yeah. In fact, we uh strive to have more private land. Yeah, we're well. The baddest piece of property we were on this year pretty much in regards to just a number of shooter bucks, was a piece of private that we secure. You know, what makes it dear cool that they don't care that they're deer, not that they're in public, that their private, that they're deer man, And that's what makes them cool. Now it is cool to go out and hunt public land. And if you like that challenge, and that's fine, I'm gonna let you know something in Texas that challenges it's a challenge. There's a reason Tyler and I have purchased a couple of small properties are one each that we're going to homestead and probably spend some time in a tree stand on our own private land because it's a controlled environment, and it would be nice to be able to like not have a guaranteed deal, but you know, have something you can manage a bit more. And we're never gonna not hunt public land in Texas. It's what we do. It's fun. I love it. But also it can make you want to just head first, have a tree stand, dude. I mean, that's what. Yeah, that's the thing. It's weird because you just said one sentence and it was like so contradictory, but it's a complete truth. Like there are days we go out there and like you know, wherever, wherever it might be, but like I can think of a couple of places we go for for instance, where like you know, we're gonna be out there all day, if not a couple of days, and like we are. When we're out there, it's just all all we do is think about hunting, and then there's lunch and then we're thinking about hunting, you know what I mean. And it is man and it's a good time, you know, like it's just a good welcome break, you know, because a lot of times what you do is you go out in the morning, you see zero at ear and I don't know, it's just it's so like you have so what normally happens is if you go out and see nothing or you have a rough hunt in the morning, you go to lunch, you kind of pick your spirits up and you go, you know what, let's make a game plan for this afternoon. Okay, I like it, good win for that. Let's go in there's bomb in there, hang some stands and dues sing. And then you sit that afternoon and it gets dark and you see one dough somewhere like you know, seventy five yards off, and it's like, man, this is uh, this is really not like worth my time almost. You just get to that point, like you know, you try to keep positive, and then you have an entire day where you see like one d year or three dar or whatever, and it's they're all inks, you know, and nothing's uh, nothing's legal, and it's like, man, this is tough. So it's crazy how much fun it can be at the same time. Uh. Overall, like you go out for day trips or something like that, and you're gonna you're gonna most day trips, you're gonna come back going should we go do that again? And then like a week later you go do it again, but you know, like it takes you a week to get back out there or whatever. Um, okay, we gotta talk about this. They are flinging catfish's are they stalking? No, there's a that was on a stringer. Yeah. Yeah, they just threw like three giant catfish out of the watching them right now. What is that thing on the front of the boat hoses He tossed like a sixty pounder out the other side of the boat, right, Yeah, what was he doing. Are they like letting it and get back in that hole or something? No, I think that that. I think they're on stringers. I think you put them. They put them in there to what are they going to do with them? Eat him? I guess they had like a little one in there, and then it was like a thirty pounder up the side of the boat. Yeah, that one was a giant. We're doom bush. Maybe those catfish call the other one telling them that Maybe that's probably what they do. So anyway, some guys are down, Uh we're sitting here and my dad's fish in the lodge and there's some guys that are have just pulled up and are about to do the flathead thing. They're gonna they're gonna noodle which they pulled out like a sixty plus pound or the other day they said, and uh, you're like a boss, like what do you want, I'll get on my property. So anyway, yeah, we're gonna see what they pull out here in a second. But yeah, it's just it's just kind of baffling to me, like why wouldn't you want to shoot a one ninety, like you know, when you you got the opportunity to chase that deer or whatever, as opposed to, Hey, I'm gonna go hunt these one sixties on public that are very difficult and I have other people messing me up every other morning or one twenties. Yeah, for us, Yeah, I mean it's it's uh, I mean even like, um, what was the comparison from the private and the public that we hunted an hour this year? Oh? Yeah, I mean the difference in we were on one fifty consistently on private and on public when I hunt in public with you, we didn't see it the year. Yeah, we had. We did have that one morning there like a two year old basket dinker came in and then I had back to back mornings when I went up there of like one fifteen one twenty class eight points coming third, and that was you know, like and I know they lived, big deer lived there, man, but like, yeah, it was a look at that they got. Is that the one on the stringer? No? This he stix and pill up a big one on the other side, one of them, a little one of them, a giant. I guess they searched that hole, didn't find anything. So yeah, they got a sweet motor. And where are they? Where are they? I wonder where they're picking all them things up? Man? Are they doing that like every week? I don't know. It's crazy, but anyway, Yeah, it's a it's just kind of a weird deal to me for people that are doing that. Did they get one? No, he's fixing to pull up big one in there. Oh that's a giant. Is a toad? That's a sixty pound fish. Anyway, I think it's a good time for us to get a chancey on the phone and uh talk about fishing, which we're watching right now in Hunting and Everything, good man. All right, So now on the phone, we've got deer hunter, wildlife artist and catcher of the rare inland grouper Chancey Walters, what's happening, man, Hey, good man, glad to be here, and and uh you know, I'm doing great. I've been painting all day, trying to get caught up on orders, trying to get caught up so I can focus on fishing this summer. Yeah, what kind of get caught uh feather pains, um, these other opinions just keeps me, keep me busy. That's what keeps the ball rolling pace for my uh wild rouy life I live. Dude. That's cool man. I I've seen some of your some of your feather paintings. They're really really neat man. But I didn't know that you did, Like you just had like stacks of orders on them things. Man. That's cool. Yeah, I mean I get an ordered to a day. I mean it's it's it's full time man. It's it's crazy. I need two or free of me every time. I I have too many hobbies. And I mean, like right now, I want to go pitching, but I got to go on a date instead. Yeah. Well, yeah, I am gonna go on a date a little bit. But I'm just just doing a ton of trying to get caught up because this time of year like especially was. I should have been worked painting a lot more than I have been with this COVID stuff going on, and I just didn't take advantage. So now I'm last minute again trying to get caught up. Yeah, how are you getting all those feathers? You know what, I can only shoot a couple of turkeys a year. Boys, I ain't out there running wild. I don't. Don't be fooled. But you know what, think about this though, I mean, I got tons of people that shoot turkeys. They don't you know, they save a couple of fans for their decoys and all that, but they save them and they don't have any They pretty much I don't know what to do with them all. You know, they throw them the freezer. We've all done it and they're just sitting in there, and uh, they just they give them to me. So I got a lot of buddies that travel and killed tons of turkeys and they save all the feathers for me. So I always have a pretty much have an unlimited stock that works perfect. Yeah that's cool, man, that was there there? Pretty So, when how did you get into the art stuff? Didn't your dad? Wasn't your dad an artist? Yeah, my dad was an artist, but he wasn't a wildlife artist. He was a signed painter, motorcycle painters and pins right being signed before sticker and Vinyl came out in a race card. My dad did all that stuff by hand, and I just got the talent genetically from him. I mean, it wasn't like uh and I say this. I say this a lot. If if somebody somebody can um saying they can sing, they can't really learn how to sing. It's the same with art work. I mean, you can get better, but or you can do abstract stuff, but like just painting, and I just got lucky and got the talent to do it. I've been doing it ever since I a little kid, and it's been my been my job. I made it into a career. Pay pays the bills. Have you ever submitted to paying for any of the stamps? You know what I the first time I put one in, Well, my art teacher, she had all the art kids. Maybe you guys probably did that too in your an art class when you're younger. They I was gonna do the junior duck stamp. Well, she had the entry form from the last of the year before and thought the entered or the deadline days was the same, sent it in and I was late, so they couldn't accept my idea. But they said that I was in contention to win if they would have if they would have kept you know, if I would have been hunters call the rules. So that was a bummer. It was a couple of green wing teal um and I looked at it. I had it planned out. I was like, you know what, there hasn't been a green green ling peel for a long time, and I did one. Oh yeah, so strategy that I didn't work out. Though. You can't do a Mallard, right because everybody's going to submit a Mallard, right. Yeah, I mean, come on, you gotta you gotta think about a little bit. But yeah, I'll do one of them things. I'll try to win that sucker one of these days and dedicate myself to doing It'd be kind of fun just to have my name on the list of the stamp, you know, that would be so awesome. And I actually I try to save my stamps every year. My dad does the same thing. And I don't know, there may have been a year or two where I didn't get a stamp, when I was real busy in college or something like that, you know, but man, uh I try to keep those things and and uh, you know, keep up with them because I I don't know, I have an appreciation for art. I used to draw a ton when I and I loved it when I was when I was really young as well. Um, and then just you know, your parents turned you into a jock and you forget how to draw. So yeah, so that's all right, that's yeah, unless it's getting quarantine. Then being a jock is not going well for those guys right now, you know. Yeah, So okay, so you're you're known for like a lot of people at least know you for kind of this guy that kills big public land bucks from the ground, um with white tell adrenaline. But I mean, dude, it's fishing season right now, right, that's what you all you're thinking about? Right? Yeah? Oh yeah, I mean I love to hunt, but fishing my deal. I mean, that's that's what I love to do. And I'm uh yeah, I'm I'm ready for tournament. Steven, we finally got this letting it up with the purnam me. You can have a fishing term. What are you gonna do get COVID from a bath I've ever heard, so like everybody just keep their distance at the way in you know, one person go way at a time. I mean they can have them. So they're start. That's pretty come, pretty excited. They they I'm fishing the bathroomouster opens and we had to push they had to push a lot of this stuff back. So my first tournaments on the Arkansas River out of Muskogee, Oklahoma. So I'm excited. You'll be like a couple of hours from us. Man at that point, we uh so really we actually might have to make a point to me, dude. For sure. We're actually sitting at my my parents fishing lodge. They've owned this thing for almost thirty years on Lake four. Do you know where that is? Yeah, I've always wanted to fish it. I've never finished it yet, and I will make a point to bring my both basketboat down there and you boys show me the hot ball. I know a few of them, but I can take this. Man. It's probably about as tough a lake as you could ever fish. If they've seen a lot of baits here. So but it's one of those things where like Tom do not talk about this all the time because we group fish in the lake. Like you might not you might go all day without a bite, but that one tug, I mean, you just never know, you know, like it's like it could be the adult as you find if you were fishing, you know, like uh, just for lack of a better city, Minneapolis or something like that, right now, you would you might hook up and you and you're like, you're like, man, it might be a four pounder and down here you're like, this might be the fish of a lifetime. This could be a state record. Your dad lost like an eleven the other day, right and he gets it at eleven? He said, Uh, my dad, My dad has caught a few big ones and lost a few as well. And he actually has lost two fish that uh he said he earlier the spring he lost one that he thought was about a nine and then uh, yeah, just like last week he lost one. He was like when his when his when his uh, the guy in his boat asked him, his friend, you know what happened and how big the fish was? He was like, I don't think I can tell you because you're just not gonna believe this, you know, this is like he said, he was he thought it was eleven or twelve. He's not an infatuator by any means either, this due to straight lace. So and he says eleven. I believe it. You know, it's what a nightmare, A nightmare. I suck to lose a big one like that. Actually, you know what I have? That didn't happen me down on the Falcon Lake the first time ever down there, right through I was with the buddy of mine that knows that lake really well. I just met him actually for the first time there. But um, we actually went out there and my flipped up there. It's probably the middle of the day, and I hope the giant he come up about I don't know, maybe five ft from the boat and shook one time and he through my tennant. I have started tennant. I will go to my knee. It was. It was. It was for sure nine eleven, pal, I mean, it was a giant answer what your dream of I'll get back down and catch one of the big spooks. All these times, man, I've dreamed about going down the area and fishing that that rio grand stuff. You know. Falcon of course has like a huge reputation. And then I remember watching paul Ice break like the was a four day record or something like that on on jelly worms and d D twenty twos, you know, and Dad, oh my gosh, man, it's crazy. I cut a few packs of them jelly worms just for this old just just you know, as a yeah, you collector side, Yeah, their novelty. You gotta have a fourteenage worm in your bag. I mean actually, yeah, yeah, I've got a pack of watermelon red ones. I've never thrown one, but one of these days, I'm gonna put that thing on like a twelve ft Carolina ring and I'm just gonna float it come into play. Right now is the right now is where that paula Ie kneeling and real and uh tactic comes into into work. Here in Texas at La so Here, I'm like four, we were saying the postpond and all the fisher moving off on the big homes and stuff, you know, and it's uh, throw a d D twenty two, you know, and you might just depend it's so weird, man Like. It depends on the time of day sometimes, uh they say the hotter the better a lot of times, which I caught the second biggest fish I've ever caught here was I can point to it. You can't see it, but case you can see it right out here. Uh, And it was a twenty five in fish. Um then the postpond, and I caught it on about a fourteen to fifteen foot hump on a Carolina rig. But man, like, they'll school out there and you'll catch like sometimes you can run a d D twenty two two through there like a few times, and uh you may even get like a short strike or something like that, but you're really amp the fish up and you throw a Carolina net ritten down there and just smoke the man exactly. It's a ton of fun. It's a tough fun there, ain't Yeah, there ain't nothing better than postponed bath. I mean, I want some nice tournaments on postpond. Man, that's that's my favorite kind of year to fish. I mean, I like spring all that, but I don't like getting lucky. I like to go forry to find a little school fish, get out there and get dialed in. Um. So, how many tournaments are you fish in yere? Normally? Lash The last couple of years been quite a bit. Um. I mean I'm gonna say twenty Yeah, is this this year this year on my I'm right now, I'm just going I'm just fishing bigger stuff, man. I mean, if I have a little open and I get a little wild hair and I'm on something, I'll go fish. I'm gonna start fishing off fishing local stuff. But I'm just it's getting burnt out. Man. If somebody sees me out on the spot, all that they're they're setting out there full strut on it the next time. And it's not even a community hole. It's just that's just how it is, man. I mean, yeah, it's just people are just they can't. They can't. They can't go out and figure their own stuff out right, you know we have, But we've got our guy that works on our bows. Um actually um fish the classic twice. Um. He's a he was a guy here on Fork for like he's still guides a little bit. Um, but he got it. He's probably he's been around since Fork open pretty much. Um. Yeah, super super good fisherman. He's caught he's right, four fish over thirteen on Lake fourth. So he's done it, man. I've seen the plaques in the wall too. It's a real deal. Yeah. Yeah, So you know what's a different goal to plastic man. My goal. My first goal is obviously to try. It might take me a year or two to try to qualify for the Elite series. That's my goal. Yeah yeah, well good luck, dude. That's gonna be awesome. One thing that like Casey and I haven't done a ton of is a small mouth fishing stuff, you know, because uh, you know, closest small mouth to us pretty much is gonna be like uh, Texoma, which is a couple of hours and so um it's not something that like we've grown up doing a ton of. But like I'm I'm interested in like how the tactics differ. And I know that you catch a bunch of them. That's what I was mentioning with the Inland Grouper earlier. But they like, so are you using like finesse tactics a lot on those fish or yeah? Yeah, yeah, I'll tell I'm you know, I love catching a big small mouth. It was kind of adream mine. But I've been going up there north for about five years and relax different spots, but um man, we have a good time. I like catching him on uh uh you know ned rigg or drop shot and and uh we like to throw actually this this year through uh through that um pair jig, oh my gosh, the fighter fly and actually Steth came up and did some fishing with me. He loves he I mean, he knows that lake better need. But he come up and whacked on him with me for for the day and that was a pretty good time for sure. He's he's he's a cool dude for sure, and he knows the stuff. Man. That guy is a he is a small mouth, small mouths nightmare man. That guy just he just knows. I did. I did, never ask no questions when I have a fish. I just I could walk and I've seen different things that he was doing it. I mean, I I can pick up on stuff. Man. That guy is he so dialed in on that type of stuff. And I just I just sat back and kind of just lots and learned. I learned a lot that full day of fishing with you. So, um are you guys, like, how often are you using the graph um to basically see fish um that are going to be I'm I'm I'm telling you right now, if they if they're if they spawning. I'm I mean, I'm I grew up fish and shallow and to win shallow it's you know, obviously the interview guys that this are really consistent, like John Cops and stuff like that. But I am an offshore guy. Man. If I can find I know how to find different spots kind of off the grid, and that's what that's what I like. That's how I like to fish. But if all uh, I can't find nothing, I gotta go to shallow. But my my strong point is if they're set up somewhere and you know graph and I'm really learned to use my graphs really well and stuff like that. My partner really got me dialed in rick fish back with crank wraps. He uh, he really got me dialed in and taught me a couple of little things and then I build off of it and I felt pretty confident. Thank crafts are pretty pretty neat. Man. I'm glad you like the man. I'll get you guys, some dude, I would love to I'm a big like I love um. I'm more of like I guess you'd call it a match the hatch kind of guy like I like when a baby it looks very realistic and color and everything, you know, as opposed to I mean I've caught mass here on pink trick worms and stuff, you know, bubble gum and all that. But like, you know, that's when you don't have anything in the boat that looks like an actual fish, you know. So um, but yeah, chick a couple of extra bites, it does. I mean, I'm telling you, like, all, how many times have you been out there and get I don't know if you guys fish, You guys fish turnelets and stuff. Growing up, very few, man, we have a tournament every weekend here on fork, you know, so yeah, yeah, I mean if you just think about it, I mean, you're out there how many times you know, guys just need one more fish, and you know, maybe that was just what you needed. You know, every fish count. Like I fished the tournament last weekend, and I knew it was gonna be a tough tournament. I figured to tell you, take fifteen sixteen to win it, which is usually takes twenty on this certain lake. And we got a lot of bud and stuff, and and uh, it was so muddy that you know, the color didn't really matter. You know, you want to use something I like to throw black Obviously, when one of the muddy, but um, it was just a really tough bite and a couple of fish that I knew when I had lost, and I was kept throwing a frog, actually throwing the black frog, and uh, I knew when I lost, and that cost me the tournament. And we went the way in and it did for sure. I knew how tough it was, but just little things, just and I didn't have my trailer hook on my frog. I run this double wire stinger hook on the back of my frog, and I didn't put it all on there early in the morning. And if I would have put it on there, that's that would have been the change to you know, being the money talking, you know, leached up, every leased up. They're just like in the outdoors, especially that stuff happens, man, like you're just gonna you gotta make like we Casey and I talked about this a lot because, um one of the one of the like one of our main places we like to hunt a lot. Um we didn't neither one of us tagged a deer there this year, so it was kind of like we're like, man, but how close so many times we were fifty yards you know what I mean, or whatever, and it's like, you know, what, what did we do? And it's like, well, it wasn't like that we did anything wrong in particular throughout. It is just like not I don't this, I don't know how to phrase. It's not like a series of bad mistakes. But it's just like one day you did something trying to make the best decision you could and and it wasn't the right decision by you know, a hundred yards or whatever. So it's like it doesn't work like a movie, you know how, Like in a movie, you're following your your protagonist and a series of unfortunate things happens to them, and then suddenly at the end of the movie it all works out. When you're in hunting your fishing, it's not that way. Like there's no there's no dues, right, you don't get dudes paid when you're hunting, Like every day is a new day, and that white tailer, that bass, it's gonna make you feel stupid no matter what. You know. A lot of people are like, man, it's a lot of people tell it's my turn. There's no turns in this game. There's no turn, there's nobody's it's nobody's turn. You're not. You know, you're due for an opportunity, but it is a hunter percent You've got to put yourself in a situation and then the moment to make things happen, to lead all the stuff that that that could mess up with haunt or your fishing trip, you know, checking your nos, checking your line. Um. You know, I grew up kind of just half you know, doing stuff kind of not to the full with my bows. You know, I'm not having the right stuff and equipment. And now that I'm not almost scared. You know, He's got me dialed in with the right equipment taking care of me for sure, which is awesome. Man. These he treats him really well, and I love hunting with him and we we we just we make stuff happen together. Man. We had him on a while back. Dude, he's just he's like it was one of our highest downloaded podcasts. Like people, people know that dude's the real deal. Man, absolutely, no, we yeah, he he is. Um, God, he's just when well, when I beat him, I knew me and we were on the same page, and I was like, you know, when you connect with some of you're like, man, I like that dude. He is like I can hang around him. You're you're not arguing about stuff. You're on the same page. And that's that's just how me and Jared are. I mean, we've never had an argument ever, Like we're always on the same page, you know, except for when we were chasing his big giant trying to get that thing man Rodeo that one. Yeah, what was the what was the argument there? Oh, it was just you know, you know, we were just trying to decide because we knew we had be one more opportunity to try to get on it when he flushed it up on where we needed to get and all that stuff. I mean, it was the heat of the bottle. You know. He had an idea and I had an idea, and we ended up kind of meeting in the middle and it worked out. So yeah, that's uh, it was mean when you're talking about Adeer, that's that big. Like things get a little weird sometimes, you know. Oh yeah, no, we it was like, yeah, it was like a damn uh kind of jage just trying to keep an eye on this thing. So yeah, how many permissions did you all have to like grab? Let me make sure that I know what you're talking about the one that he shot low and hitting the leg or something. Then you'll have to get back on it. Ye yeah, yeah. So we had to get permission for two different farms, two landowners out there that that you know, we're really kind to let us go in and finished looking for the deer, and and we happened to jump. You know, you're actually got a little weird feeling on the property where the deer was ended up vetted and it was his home. I and they when you wounded a deer like that, they go home, man. And that we finally found his bedroom. Garb was so shook up. He you know, he shot at him, but it wasn't even close. You know, when you're when you went out there trying to find that big deer like that, all of a sudden, there it did, you know. It just happened so quick, and it was in the brush and he was trying to get another airror in it, and thank god we were able to regroup and get way around where we thought he was gonna go. And man, well that was a good moment, man, the moment he was so mess to shoot that deer. Man, it was just for what he's done. It's just a god loot an amazing animal. Yeah dude. So okay, so did y'all tell like, when you're getting permission on those properties? How do you do you say, man, we just we shot a little buck over here, you know? Or is it like, man, this is like the chance of a lifetime. You know, how do you how do you how much information do you disclose when you're talking to somebody like that? Yeah? Well, thank god he had the one landowner seen seeing the deer where he ended up killing it, seeing the deer wounded, and that was a big key ingredient to get us in there. You know. He he knew that the deer was wounded. And it wasn't like, hey, we hit a deer down there and we go down into the jungle and kill a big buck. It wasn't like, you know, we were trying to work some system. It was legitial. He's seen the dang leg cartwell and you know why, it was running away and right there, and he's the battle you've seen on the cliff where when Jared went up to the vand and like hey, oh yeah, I've seen it that whole little moment in the Defiance video. So that was the deal. But I'll say if if I have something like that, yes, especially if I if I see a big buck, like to say, you're doing a let's say you're doing a knock on the door um cuff style that's killing you. Spot a big buck and he's on a piece of property, I'd just go up and say, hey, you know, you carefully go out. Don't say hey, you got a giant muck out here and we're gonna go. Can we go sneak in on it? Because then you just just say you carefully go out and walk around to do a little deer hunt. They'll say yeah. But all of a sudden you go saying, oh, we gotta giant buck out there, double drop there, and like, uh, we're gonna go buy a deer tag, you know. Yeah, So you gotta kinta be sneaking about it. Work the system a little bit. You don't want to. You don't want to give away your opportunity. You go start telling somebody, oh, you got this biggest, biggest buck of all time laying out there. You carefully don't get it. They're not gonna be you know, maybe the right guy that's not a hunter. Yeah, dude, yeah, go get it. It's crazy how a non hunter will become a hunter all of a sudden, when big Bucks started getting shot off his property, You damn right. I love the various spots that I used to hunt, and there was this one guy to Teckler, it's pretty funny. I went out there hunted like five or six days, killed a really nice buck mid one fifty's the one sixty. He's like, hey, I want if you get one, I want to go out and recover. I want went back to the house. He out and recovered it for me. He don't vote on or hunt. And then I did that like three years in a row, and all of a sudden that that third time, he he says, you know what I'm thinking about, Maybe I need to go out and kill one of these big buffs he got them all. I like, oh my god, I knew this was gonna happen. And uh yeah, So I lost that spot and this is crazy. I gotta tell you the story. It's hilarious. So I am literally okay. So I go down the spot and this is when I knew this is the year after that, when he said that, he's still like, heah, you go down there, but I might go try to go and I'm like, okay, this is and he got even a new girlfriend. This guy is like and is up for sixties to seven years old and he's got even a girl about thirty years old. Okay girlfriend and she likes to huh okay. And I knew this is gonna be a frog. He's dating for the hunting ground. So I read her like a book. So but anyway, I get out. I get out there. This is this is mid November. This is when I was still tree stand hunt. I get out in the tree I have I actually had a loader down ladder stand down in there. And I'm walking to the stand and I'm like, you know, let's peak in the I mean, this is stuff's going on, like you're trying to not you know, mess anything up. This is crucial timing to try to make something happen. And I get out there and I'm walking I and I like trip on something like a head wall. You know what the head wall is like a yeah, big green the big green balls. I thought it was a headge ball. I tripped on. I'm like the hesh was around there. I remember a head of your heade wall being there. Why get up in the stand and it starts getting light and it's red everywhere on the ground. I'm like, what the heck is going on? I met you that there was a thousand apples under my tree stand. Yeah, and he had a couple of apple trees up in the up in the yard. Well, she put all these apple trees, and all of sudden I see a fence post or a t post and two te posts had two cameras aiming right at this big giant apple orchard laying on the ground right in front of my tree stand that she had there to try to get pictures. And I literally all, I'm just like I'm gonna set here, you know, I didn't know about the dang apples. And all of a sudden I heard a four light up at the house where I parked here. She comes driving down in his gator right down to the set up and she pulls right up there, and she's like, I'm just checking the cameras. I'll be right out of here. I couldn't believe it. Literally, I'm sitting there like in the mood of a hunt. He was driving down the note last time I hunt the spot lest the damn stand there and everything. But what a joke. Man. He was down there, like I knew that I was hunting, but you know, and Beech down she was a woman that wanted to get me out of a new hunting spot. Yeah, of course, yeah, it was that a pete state. Was it even legal to do that? No, it was illegal. It was illegal for sure. But he got out. I mean, I didn't shoot something. Well, we're in the land of the happy hunting ground of corn on the ground everywhere, so you know, I don't really always know. Let me tell you something. If you don't, I've learned from giding down in Texas and from Webb County eats by by. You guys haven't really been that far north. But if you don't have faid on the ground down there, you're you're wasting your time literally, Like it's not like you're in a different spots like down there in the bush country. If you ain't got bait, you're that's that's you're pretty much they have complete needle on the haystack because it's just so there's no like certain no, there's no you know, there's no edge, there's nothing. It's just a vast area of monotonous country, you know, I mean, yeah, I guess if you had sixty days to hunt, you could sit in the same spot and sing like your law. Average is a big bucket luck, ye, But I mean yeah, everybody across the US is doing what they can to maximize their amount of time in the woods. And it's just what you gotta do. Ye. If everybody's got there, they're different flavor and different parts of the country. You got to do certain things and you gotta adapt the situation and and it's all good. It's you know, here's a deal man here. Well, I'm doing the public thing, but I hunted for years out of three stand kill a lot of really nice bucks out of the tree. And I'm not just like saying like I'm doing the public hunt now because that's all easy. I'm not against none of that. I love it. Trust me. If I buy a piece of ground, hopefully or eventually, I'll out my land under tack and I'll be right out there in the three stand doing all that stuff. But hunting is different for everybody. Everybody's got their little flavor that they love to do and how they like to hunt. And you just can't ever put anybody down if they're saying everybody's got different views of it, and it's hunting time, high five and going and kill a big ball. Yeah, I don't care that. No, that's what that. I was going to actually talk to you about some of that stuff, because, uh, what kind of spurred that thought in my mind was I noticed that the spring you found some just giant road ditch sheds. And he's like, that's pretty so okay, so tell me a story about that. Oh okay. So we're driving around Turfy hunting. I got my turkey suit out, crawling brown some turkeys, and we're driving and all of a sudden, but there's a I look over in this little corn and the edge of the corn right there, and I've seen a I've seen a side, So I go out there grab it, and then right on the edge of the dish there's the other one. There was just there's just a random drive by road shed. How big, say something? I got long arms. I got long arms, and they look a lot better than they are. It looked like a one seven he set, but it's like, I'm gonna say a one upper one forties type of here. I told you boys, didn't he either way? You know? Match sid, Yeah, they're beauties. Their beauties, but that here will be a freak that hes just I mean, you can't tell the age by shed, but you can get you can kind of get an idea, you know what I mean. Ain't too it would be a good one. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he ain't five. That makes him about three and a half. That's my favorite. Phend say that he's three and a half. He's three years and four. Uh yeah, dude. I was watching the show the other day. Um, and I don't take in a lot of hunting me yet because this stuff like this bugs me to no end. But this guy was like he walks up to this dead deer and he's like, man, he's like three or maybe even three and a half. And I was like, oh, no, exactly whatever. I mean, you take a while again, that's all they're doing. Yeah, so you don't know until you send the jawbone. And I learned that from Mickey Hellickson, which you guys maybe know Mickey Hellickson, right, I don't know who's that the dear biologist. He's he was the dear biologist for the King Ranch per years. That name. Yeah, he's got a PhD for uh for dear biology, and he is a wizard. That guy knows his stuff, and I feel I worked for for years running a big property down in Iowa and taking all the you guys heard IBC right, International Bank of Commerce. I I took Dennis Nixon and all the bank presidents and all that stuff. That's what I did for five years. I giedre all those case hunting in Iowa. Wow, that's cool. That was a cool little gig for a while. Yeah, imagine created me good. I bet you saw some some tanks up there, man, actually did. I drew my first Iowa tag last year and uh we hey we were on some pretty good deer. But the second trip I had lost permission from the first trip to the second trip and ended up having to go to public and I shot a good buck but hey wouldn't uh hey wouldn't a giant or anything. But had a good time for sure, learned a lot um. So okay, So like when you're finding sheds like that, like how often are you uh targeting a deer for next year? Or or like going I need to get permission on that spot or whatever. You know, here's the well, now that I'm doing public, I don't really I don't even seriously shed hunting a lot of hand. I loved it. I grew up doing it. Found I found two big, big sides in my day. I don't know how. I found hundreds of sheds, but just only two real big true. I got one a ninety four inch side, and I got an eighty four inch I got I got an eighty four inch typical side, which actually was a beautiful chocolate color. I'll send you guys the health picture. But you do it all the time, but now there's so many people doing it that it is feel like I'm walking behind people. And I just if I get a lot here one day and I'm in the mood, I'll go do it. But I don't know. I just I love shed hunting. But I don't answer your question. Yeah, I mean back before I started hunting public, yeah, I'd be like, Okay, them sheds all usually where they dropped their sheds, and they don't live too far from there. I believe you know what I'm saying. They either dropped them in their bedroom or there's not too far from there where they're where they're living. So yeah, I didn't get the mess and killed a couple of deer doing that back two years ago, I being tyler. Both were on a giant, massive eight point you know, probably wouldn't have score real high, but big big eight you know, and uh on the ground actually and and got pretty pretty close but didn't get a shot. And then uh, I mean it wasn't two days later I found the shed from the previous year off that deer right in the same place. I mean literally, you know, two yards in that same spot. So there's something to it, man. And uh, I don't know that that history is cool. But at the same time, like you don't always I think that, yeah, you're right about shed hunting has kind of gotten out of hand, and it's really like a it's kind of a private land type deal really, you know, like to be able to like pick up these sheds and and be the guy who like has the picture of like three years of sheds with a deer or whatever, like it was. It's awesome to find a shed off a deer on public. And if I see that here, I'm smoking him. But I ain't waiting on him, you know what I mean, Like, no, you can't wait, no, not at all, like you just you just told me, okay, so I gotta sell you a quick deal. So I went. When I'm shed uting pretty heavy, I found the set actually one of the horns I use for rattling. So I used to right right side. I don't, I don't. I do it kind of different than a lot of people, but I use it for one of my rattling horns. Well, I literally went and it was a cool probably the coolest looking horns. Not real big, but just a really cool looking horn. And I go back out the next year thinking I'm gonna go to look like, oh, he got it. He had to have grown right. I get out there and start looking around, literally walked to the same I bet you the shed from him from the year before is the next year was laying within two ft of the other one. Like that was his betting spot when you'd go out and feet you would lay right in this little waterway. And I found, you know, the next year's side in the same spot. That's craziest I ever seen in my life. Anyways, I used both of those for my ship, my rattling horns. Why do you why do you like the two right side? We've had this discussion before. Well, just because I I whole, I don't like hitting my fingers and I don't want to cut the brows time. Yeah. Yeah, So I grab the left side of my left hand or the rights, the one right side of my left hand, and then I bring the other grabbed the other one and I bring I I bring that horn into that one while I'm holding it, so I faced the the you know, the outside towards the inside, and I bring that racks and man, it just it's just cool. I love it. It's the best sound that I've I've had using horns, but every every set is different, you know how it works. Yeah, you guys are gonna absolutely freak when you see this new video coming out. I literally left my horns and I will and I went to Kansas and went and borrowed some from an old guy out of a coffee shop, all of him to his house, followed him to his house, and I got a couple of bleached out white white horns off of his fence. He let me borrow them, and literally I was like, I'll probably rattling the biggest buck of my life. And it wasn't an hour later and a half. Man, that's cool, but I didn't get him. So I'm gonna get him. I'm gonna I'm gonna shoot that this year better. I know, I know right where he lives. Did you have drive me? It wasn't a good moment, daw me on my cell phone. You'll find out. You'll see worse deer hunting moment. Moment in my Life's what you dream of. That happened, and I screwed it up doing what I make fun of people doing, being on their cell phones on their hunt. Yeah. Yeah, so have you have to make that mistake. It's coming one day for sure, because I ain't a lie. I'm on my phone quite a bit, especially like to sit for a while, you know, sometimes you know, pretty late in the morning. J A treestus different beyond yourself craft. That's all good. Yeah, so all that point like, well ago you kind of said, you know, I used to trees handstand hunt, but now I do all the public thing, which you kind of just infer that you're doing that pretty much from the ground totally, and you just feel like you're just that much more effective from the ground. Uh yeah, I mean just because this style I've learned and learned so much from Jared that you just gotta you gotta make them move to put yourself in position, and if you're up there and all that's going on, all of a sudden there goes an hour and you thought you didn't come, there would have been the time that you could have got up and got on one, you know, and it's just you just obviously, if you're hunting fried, you don't want to go, you know, sneak it up and have something happen if you don't think it's riot. And he blowed the beer completely out of property and you know, there's no longer gain hunting in public, man, I mean, it's there could be somebody three or ken guys there tomorrow the next morning. You think you're gonna go in there, you know what I'm saying. You gotta just take advantage of the moment and act like it's not gonna be there tomorrow, you know, and try to make it, make it happen. It will always work out, but you know, you delete a lot of the stuff that that could go wrong and make quick decisions, and fast decisions is key. The most key to being on the ground that I've learned is making quick decision. If you go mess around and let's see what he does for ten minutes. That was the ten minutes you needed to be able to get in killing. Yeah, so I mean multiple times. Okay, so take us through like a morning of honey, like you're you're gonna you're gonna set up in some kind of vantage at first, right, Yes, we're gonna, you know, have an idea where we're gonna go, and we'll go and do some you know, get up on a high spot and to do a lot of laughing and and try to get an idea of what kind of deer in the area, and you know, be somewhere where it's open, where you can see a lot and uh, you know it's a quot one make sure if I'm public and move in on him, or it's all of sudden that primetime in the morning where a lot of movement is where they'll chase you know, out running around all night and they're kind of still out in the field and working their doughs back to you know, the cover and different stuff like that. Once that's kind of over, then we just go on the cruise and and hopefully run into one. I mean a lot of people watch these videos and they're thinking, man, they're just seeing tons of heer. Yeah, I remem we're seeing some deer on private, but on public and the day of Grind, I mean we had uh, I mean we didn't see very may shooters, you know. I mean we'll say you'd go out there for two weeks. Let's say, let's say, yeah, fourteen days, might see two shooters on public and might not even have an even an opportunity. That's just getting a visual son a moment. You know what, the shooter. Everybody's got their own shooter. You know what I'm saying, he gets agree nine. I want to be happy with it. I want to I'm not gonna go shoot a little rack because I've I've already shot some nice bucks and I don't want to be I'm not I'd rather to shoot it though. You know what I'm saying, I'm not gonna be greedy about it. If it turns me on, I'm gonna shoot it, you know what I'm saying. I mean, my my standards have dropped just a little bit because I'm private and stuff like that. I'm I'm into a beautiful eight point one forties, you know, hundred. I care's how I kind of look at a U point D. I mean, I'm into all that. I'm not gonna go shoot a hundred fifteen injury. You know, nothing wrong with that. I just don't need to. It's not gonna turn me on, So I'm not gonna shoot it. Yeah, that's cool. Okay. So you know, if you're um, like, how how often do you guys see a deer moving on public and you say you gotta make quick quick decisions? Um, which can in my in my like experience, moving on deer on the ground like a lot of times, especially in open country, you don't have a whole lot of landmarks, so um, you end up like busting the deer because you got the spot just you know, a hundred yards wrong or whatever. Like, how often are you guys, you know, taking off on the deer and just busting out of the country. Oh, it didn't happen. It didn't happen. I mean, you know, we're definitely playing the wind, you know, even you know, hundreds and playing the wind, and you know, and work in the situation the best we can to get in there or be able to get in if it's dead calm, you ain't sneaking up on the white pill. I mean, it's there. Ain't happen that you gotta have wind and that situations gotta be right. Fortunately, out in the open country a lot of time there's wind enough to get away with, you know, getting in on them. But a man to answer your question, it's every situation is different, and I don't know, it's just you just gotta play the moment. And what I'm getting by is like you gotta make you know the seconds are you know, sometimes we've gotten the mess, We've messed up to hunt by not making the move too quick. I mean, is what I'm saying is you guys have been in a situation also you're like, you know, should we should we go down? You know, should we go now? You know, and all of sudden you kind of hold back and you're just like almost nervous to make that move. But it's the move that you need to do. You just got to go with your instinct and sometimes it don't work, but your gut is I'm gonna say eight percent of the time, right man. When it comes to the deer hunting, you just you gotta and doing that stuff. It's an aggress the most aggressive style of hunting. I mean it is literally you know, you're all sudden they go behind a little thick and you're running in the room and you know there was the that was the gamble to get you a position to kill, you know, and if you wouldn't have made that, you're like, oh, I don't want to run across there. You know, just stuff like that. You know, you gotta just gotta use your head and just trust me. I've failed a lot and and doing this stuff. But after you gather so many experiences of this is that one they just kind of ingrains into your mind and you make the right decision. Same thing as tournament fishing. It's all about decision making. People don't get you know, you can get lucky in a bath tournament, but the guys are good, they're they're always they're always consistent. It's the same with deer hunting. You know, I've I'll build up enough times that I've messed up through my ear that I've built to be successful doing it. And it's just just this time out there, man, it don't happen overnight. Ship and trust me, I should go out next time. I could miss that. You want to do it through this year if I get enough game. But it's just not hope, It's just not you know, Pope, on. Now, let's just do you guys make a prayer for me to don't I think it's gonna kill bib to Hondy Oh yeah if you Yeah, that would not be fun to miss, right thing. I'll come down parties, boys, you know, I got I just mixed and Jim and Jim beatmon Coke right now, state ready man. Uh, you know, Tyler and in the last couple of years have gotten more and more into the ground stuff, um kind of buying assist you sometimes, and uh, we're both just conservative people by nature, and that's been the hardest thing to overcome and we're still trying to to, you know, bridge that gap where uh we want to make sure we make the right moves every time. But I think we also like we also deal with like it's not just a ten day hunt for us, like we can come back, so we don't want to spook the deer off out of the country. So that's like something that's a different probably dynamic and some of the things you guys deal with sometimes absolutely absolutely, um, but yeah, I mean we we do. We both are. We both tend to think really hard about this especially it's it's just, uh, I don't know man, that's that's the hardest. If I can say, the hardest thing that I've learned about hunting from the ground is is not being too conservative and really understanding what you can do whenever you're you're trying to get in on on a buck. I mean I can This year, we had you know, a one fifty ish ten point uh at forty five yards for twenty minutes, right, and it was just too wendy to take that, you know, that shot, and we're kind of to the point where we couldn't go any further we'd be exposed. Well, finally, twenty minutes later, we decided to use the decoy and it just goes to crap, right, But it's it's like, man, if we would have just not sat around for twenty minutes and made a move, you know, at least we wouldn't wouldn't lost that twenty minutes of our life, you know what I mean, I'm just sitting there being anxious the whole time. You know, I don't I don't know the hardest part for me sometimes it's like it's like a lot of times you can if you can see the deer, especially in open country, if you can see the deer. You know, he can see you. So it's like, well, if I make a move right now, like I'm gonna have to like stand up a little bit to make a move, you know, And it's like, how do I keep that deer from seeing me from two hundred yards away or whatever? You know, that's a that's kind of a difficulty. A little trick that I've always that we've used a lot is all of a sudden like for me and jured he'll be glass, he'll be you know, if it's far enough away but they can still see it, he'll be glass of them all make the move, and he'll tell me to stop when I need to stop, when that deer even has a position from where you're gonna even kind of because out a distance you can't see real gets to naked eye, you know what I mean, you don't know if you're looking at you or what. And he'll just stop, you know, calson, I'll stop, all right, go ahead, go ahead. You just gotta work together and do that. That's one visual on that damn dear's eyes the key, you know, because they got a lot going on. They're chasing women are at they're chasing those around They got satellite bucks, be ball and I'm trying to get in on their on their gigs for the night. They don't, you know, they got a lot on their on their mind. Obviously they're always alert. But that's I mean, that is if you that's your advantage. Man, I don't say it's the main thing. Sneaking up during the rut. You've got to know, you gotta look around, and you gotta you gotta act like there's a satellite buck around there, because nine times out of ten, when you're sneaking up on a big one truck and they're a little puke but hanging out around Lauren, and they will push, they will ruining the whole program on. It's happened multiple times, but I can't tell how many times now that I'm paying a lot more at tension. You get in there and there he is. There's a little punk and he laying right there, and you work around him and and you know, at least try to fist you got enough wind blush him out there. They usually don't blow at you if you're real close to him and blow him out. Dude, how do you spot? How do you spot those deers? Sometimes like those little spikes and those. Man, sometimes they've messed us up so bad. Man. This past year, both times that we were tied on the ground, the dough that the buck was, we have messed it up. And it's just it's real hard to overcome that. That gum it. Yeah, you can't see them slick heads in the grass, man, No you can't. You can't. You'll literally we'll just take our banancha. You just stand through the leaves. I we've a little bit forward farther, and especially if we get a buck and we don't know where he's bettered down. I've been, I've been, I've said all day on a buck that wasn't there before a little oh, it's that sucked at a bad moment. But you literally sneak through a little brush area to get to where you want. Well that amount of time, I'm gonna say a minute, the buck got up, ran the dough out and you didn't. I didn't get to see it. And then all of a sudden, I'm still on the chase. I'm sitting there waiting for him to stand up. There was never no deer there, but a lot of times where you're you just gotta just glass. The authors and look and look at all of a sudden you'll just see you'll just see the pits of the ears, or you'll see that rap just a little little shine. It's it's it's a spooky feeling when you see that. And actually it's a really good moment. Man. It's when you find a big one. Oh my god. Yeah, I snuck into one two years ago. What a giant buck. But you know it would have been my first deer from the ground. Uh. And I got to about I don't know, twenty yards before I realized he was there. You know, it's like, oh, you know, things go from like what's going on to like real quick whenever that happens. You know, it's kind of neat. Yeah, yeah, what do you do in that situation? Um, you know, let's like a little tactic. Um, say it's the morning and they've been doing the rut thing on that long and they weren't get all out with the sad lights and then they locked down during the day they got there, you know, they're on that dough then a stick with her and bed weather throughout the day. How are you hunting that buck? Uh? Well, a't de tende if I see him and he's you know, I see where he's head and I kind of get an idea. It might take a morning or two just to set back and see what they're doing. But all of a sudden, I see him work into an area. You know, I love, you know, love to get around him and cut him off. That's what we like to do. But if I sometimes you know you're getting in the peak of the rug. They're not. They just get betted up with the dough and they just stay there. If she gets up, he gets up, they take a pissy and they lay back down. That's when. That's when sometimes you just got to get up on a high spot and just do some serious laugh and all of a sudden you're looking out. If you'll drive by, I mean, how many times you done drive by and all of a sudden there's no deer out there? Come back by, and like word he come from while you just stood up? Is all? They're betted out there. Sometimes you just gotta set in the spot and just give it time, and all of a sudden there's a deer. He just stood up. There he is and all so there's that freak just standing there. I mean, that's that's a cool way to look at it too, you know, so well, whenever they locked down like that, are you're gonna go try to kill him mid day like when they're doing their whole big game. I'm tracking around, absolutely, absolutely I want to. I want to kill him in his dreams. These things already got too many bands. If we can catch him why they're why they're you know, bedded there and sleep and you know I'm not gonna have that experience like droopy again. So yeah, so have you have? Has Jared converted you into the trad bow life? Are you still shooting a compound? Yeah? I still shoot compound. I just haven't made the switch yet, you know. I here's the deal, He's gonna switch me. I don't feel confident yet. I mean, I think I could do it if I practice. I just I just I don't know. Georg's like fishing practicing shooting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Like here's so funny everybody like you need to practice your bow more. Let me tell you some hard time. I grab my bowl and I go shoot at the target. It's on compound, blows on. You know what I'm saying. It's like shooting the right skill. You know, skill do you shoot it. Oh it's on Okay, I just got the things that happened to me. It's nothing on the bat shot. I'm a pretty good shot. It's just deercut cookies and stupid stuff. Actually that there's one two years ago. I hit the ding. I hit the fence and I didn't even know it shooting show a fence and Gared watched the foot and he's like, dude, you hit the fence. You missed it here on like thirty yards. I'm like, how did I miss that thing? The things to happen, man, you hit a weed. It's crazy what one little, one little leg will do to your to deflect your arrow, you know. And that's the thing about hunting from the ground. So, I mean, I know Jared's obviously gonna be using a pretty heavy arrows is yours a heavy arrow as well? For compound bow? Um No, I'm sure. I'm just it for four hundreds all, and I'm choosing a I'm choosing a one twenty five grain. Now. I like the heavier. That's godhead. It just it just gets better penetration, I believe. Yeah, it's a blade and yeah, yeah, yeah, I shoot the dirt naps They're an awesome, awesome head. You know, it's a it's a it's a great head to shoot. And uh, I love it because you can sharpen them and and all that. There's different two blade broadheads out of the market. Um. Tom Adaman is a really good buddy of mine, and he he hooks me with some broad heads and he takes care of me and I shoot his head. He's just been he's such a great friend of mine, so so he treachs me. Well, I love those when when a deer when because I've seen you know, when you guys, sometimes when a deer stands up or you know, in that final moment before the shot happens, Essentially something happens and the deer get weird, but they don't know what's going on there, disoriented, they stand up. They they kind of make like a semi circle and start looking around. Um, I mean, how do you like what goes to you mind? Your mind as you decide on like what range that buck is actually standing at and what pen to use? Are we try to I though, we've been been in situations on my range of you know, bush or a thick little cross the weeds next to where he's asked. So if that situation happened and I feel like they're you know, when I'm gonna get any closer, they're gonna leave, Or if we're running out of daylight or something like that, You've got to kind of have a Paul the ballpark, especially when you have two of you. I mean, I can say what you you think he's forty? Do you think he's thirty? And then when you have a double communication on how far do you think he is? Man? It feels good. So if he stands up, you already know what you're ready to do. You know, he Sometimes it don't work out. I mean there's been times are that too, that real wide deer. I guess he met uh what I guess him at? I guess him at fifty and he was sixty And I just literally put my If I would have new sixty, I coulda shot him at sixty. When I put my fifty yard pen, I just barely went right under his stomach, you know, I mean it was a bum That was a bummer deal it is sometimes you know, sometimes you know his boat man, you're just Cherokee jungle hunting. I mean that's what you ain't you don't know. You just gotta get back. Hey, I get piste off, wound up so mad, but you just gotta you know, I'm gonna complain like a little baby for a little while, but I'm back in the grind. Man. It's so funny. So so Tyler and I handle those situations so differently. There I missed it. Yeah, I missed a deer because of a deflection off the ground in eighteen uh bunk. I rattled in for four hundred yards away, watched the whole thing in open country. It was bad to the bone, right, and my I'm shooting expandables through the grass, grab grass, expandable arrow goes flip flopping, boomerang and through there, you know, and uh, Tyler automatically goes and like like he's down on the ground staring at the sky, and I'm like, dude's okay, He's still out there hund yards And then uh, you know, December thirty feet rolls around and I'm singing the blues powers like it's okay, man, it's fine. You know, It's just I drag it out a little bit more, you know, in the moment he's down, Oh man, Yeah, but how do you how do you overcome those misses? Man? You just cares you almost kind of just you know, there's been time where you just just go eat lunch. Man, let's go, let's go regroup. Maybe let's go have a margarita, you know, and margarit and you know, chill out. And I mean, I don't know's I don't care. We don't drink while we're out there, you know, that's all. You know. We might have a couple of bucks lot days afterwards or me. I don't drink here much anymore. I don't seriously, I drink enough of it in my younger days. You know it's keg days, back in the day when we threw all the parties. I drink a lot of keg here. Well, I like to you know, maybe I'll go have a rumming coke or you know a little crown and cooke just to settle. But I don't drink a lot. I mean I have one or two at dinner or something here and there. Driving around. Well we'll just maybe going to town and get toting bean or you know, Jared might have to you know, talk me through it, can get me over it. And there's funny A big deer out there and just whatever. When you miss a big block or mess up the stock, it it don't just go away. I mean that big ones, I mean they all they haunt you. Yeah, I mean it's just part of it. Yeah. I've been haunted a lot because I've yet to actually shoot one off the ground. But I've had a lot of miss stocks and missed opportunities. So, uh, you could just call up you boys? Do you boys sound like you know what you're doing? You you're gonna kill funny a big deer? Learning is it would be what you always do. I trump me. I'm always learning. But sometimes when I think I I got this, no problem. It's the most humbling sport and world fishing were fishing is the number one humbling sport the world. Just when you think you you think here on top of the mountain, all of a sudden you'll blank. I've done it. I was at Grand Lake last year on the bath Matter Open, I was on fish, I got, I was I got fifteen on the fl Debt Double Day Super Tournament the weekend before, first time I ever on Grand Leg feeling good. Lost a couple of key fish to put me in the top, you know, top five, probably and I go back into the bass Master Ropen was the weekend after, and you know, I pretty much caught all my dayn fish and that for the bath Master Open in the fl Dew tournament, but I ended up. I was setting fift keen on the first day in the open, and uh, big storm come through that night, and Uh, my stupid ass went and set right on the same spot, said to go running bank and going trying to kiss ten pounds or maybe a megabag on a buzz bait or a spinner bait, and that overcast day, it's just like I knew better, and it's just stuffing was telling me, I want to sling to the fences and try to get fifteen sixteen pounds to be setting in there in contention. And I should have went and went and ran bank. I did for a little bit, lost a big one. It just cost me and it's just bad decisions, man. I just but I look back at it. I learned from that. I get in that situation to get and I'm gonna remember that moment that happened to me a grand Lake and I'm gonna you know, I was setting good and contention for our first big giant tournament like that to do really really good and and I just you know, I learned from a big time So hopefully we'll get a good run this year. Yeah, dude, that's awesome. Man. I hope best for you man for sure. You know, you guys with with white till adrenaline. Man, you guys get after it. You guys are known for the public land hunting from the ground, like we've been talking about, you know, like and you mentioned like running, you know, and stuff like that. But what happens when you get old? Like are you gonna are you gonna go back to the tree stand stuff, you know? Or or do you just quit hunting? Thank God? I'm like, thank god, I'm leaning mean and healthy only you know, I mean never know. I'm gonna do it until I can't do it no more. Until my girlfriend, uh you know, you know, And I'm like, yeah, she's she's a great woman. She's on her to herself that I uh yeah, I mean I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna I love doing it. I'm gonna do it until I can't do it no more. Pizza ground, what's that all? The next outdoor power couple? No, they don't give me no Lee and tiffanything going on just out of hand. I ain't we have a good time. He's way forward. Tiffany. I mean Tiffany people I like. Actually I know Tiffany my girlfriend. She's she's awesome, a great woman. But we have a good time. Held a fisherman, dude, let me tell you something. First term, I ever took her and she caught the biggest bass that's ever been weighed in on that lake. Power fish guy ever throwing a big spinner bay swim bait or buzz bait. Just you know something. She can just keep going and keep doing and keep going. She always cass is a big one. I want to make caster to that woman will throw a bait caster better than most men. Yeah they man, it's funny. Women can do do some things better than us. Man. It's just a plain and simple fact. Man, I can shoot can Actually, this is kind of funny because you said, you know, you just don't feel comfortable enough with a recurver or a long bow yet. And my wife can outshoot me with my recurve any day. Man. Women or them, they don't. They ain't trying to compete there. They're shooting. Yeah, they just they're steady. They ain't worry about anybody else. And you know, I my she gets a little when I'm around, or she gets kind of mess the program up. She thinks I'm judging now she's doing something. I'm like, Listen, I'm like, I am actually like the worst at like doing it perfectionist, you know, like holding the boat right, like I got my own ways of doing And I'm not No, I'm not Ron White. You know what I'm saying. Wrong White of all time, you know, I think, I mean, he's a good friend of mine. Dude, I get crap, but one big gold medalists, I mean, trust me, listened to a guy like that. Oh yeah, we had him on the show. Actually he was a good interview. Yes, they'll let me tell you something. That guy is probably one of the biggest. He's killed. He's he is an unbelievable hunter. Rod Is. There's one guy that I think that's that is probably killed more, but probably the most big deer in the world and killed more. Yeah, you know, not necessarily public, but he has killed more free range big Bucks and anybody in this world. Mr Ship, and he is he's a great friend of mine. That guy is as a true killer of big bucks. Big bucks have nightmares about him. He's a big buck. Where is he at Iowa? Yeah, he has a lot of ground, but he just he has a phrase and this is a good thing for everybody to hear. He he says, cough the hell's tough time on stand, stupid time on stand because he wears camo. That is from fifteen years ago, bleach out. He just plays the win and goes and killed giants. I mean, I think he's killed. I bet he's killed twenty of them over one seventy of his bow. Man, I think he's killed. I think he's killed way more than that. I don't know what I'm saying. I made he's killed twenty of them over one seven Now he's killed ten overeight with his bow, like three two hundreds. I mean, is this he's a good hunter too, But yuh, he ain't Mr Chef on the whole other level. Really, man, that's cool. Maybe we need to have him on the podcast sometime talk about big game. Talk to him. He's kind of just keeps quiet, doesn't think. He don't really you don't like you know what I mean. There's a lot of guys out there like that they're killing big dear and they don't want to talk about it. Yeah, he's the toughest dude of all time. I think all the landowners around him are scared to shoot one of the big deers, and I think that what they're I mean, he is just the beast four times or two time state champion wrestler, just a mean red headed all you say it was redheaded, Now we know, Yeah, that's it. Redheads. They're mean, they're the meanest. So you're man, you're a good follow on Instagram? What's like other than that? And I guess tell us your Instagram handle and then also like what's the best way for the audience just to that maybe interests just to find out what you're up to. Well, I have my My Instagram page is just Chancey Walters cech and see why and yeah, I just here's a deal. There's no drama on my page. But I put I put fishing and hunting and food on that thing. That's all I do. Hunt, took good food and have a good time. I'm out of drama, man. But yeah, I got my Instagram page and I just started my outdoor page, which is Chancy Walters Outdoors. On Facebook, and I got my heart page Chancy Walters. Um, that's my heart page. I have three pages on Facebook, but I got one for you know, to build my sponsorships and stuff through my fishing and stuff like that for cancel wavers outdoors on Facebook. So get like a route. We'll do, man, we'll work. We'll post that. Yeah, we'll post that. Those links in the in the notes. So if somebody's listening and wants to go, take it out and do it. And uh, yeah, dude, thanks so much for for hanging out with us. I know you're probably itching to go on your date and um you got that curtseyed and that's all good. We'll be well, we're gonna slide down to the Mexican restaurant, have a little carne. I saw that, and maybe margarita for for giggys. Oh man, that sounds like a good met Yeah no, dann good, dang good. So hopefully we'll get a meet up with your boys sometime. Hopefully, Uh maybe when I'm down there and maybe we've been picking evening and meet up and have dinner and a couple of drinks through and uh also yeah man, but later date, anytime you get an itch you and Jared get itch to uh tackle some real public land of Texas. I'll come on down and we'll hang out, and I'll say where I'm thinking about. I'm about sick all these big giants getting shot over and all. I might have to just join that party. Yeah. We we've heard some stories lately about Ohio. Man. Every two seconds you looked there two in the public ground and I'm like, Okay, yeah, daddy's switching gears. We're gonna lead idle one and go to Ohio. That's right. Well, we may have to meet you up for some time. I've been I've been looking into it. I'll tell you that. So you wait. Well cool man. We appreciate it. And uh yeah, dude, we'll have you on some other time talk about some more stuff. Man, absolutely any time. Man, you guys have a great evening. I don't know what I'm more fired up about shooting a white tail off the ground are going out there and trying to catch a john bass, hunting, fishing and loving every day. Dude. When me and my wife I fixes get married, which was my fiance at the time, her I was getting nor family, you know, all this stuff, and her uncle who you know. Uh. I was like, man, me and my wife, we're driving the day we heard the song that we really think you can play with your winding. I was like, oh, really cool. You know what he's like, Man, it's just Luke Bryant's song Hunting, fishing, living every day. She sounds just like y'all. And I was like, I'll tell Cassie and that's where it died. Yeah, oh dude, yeah that does sound just Hey, if you're listening you like that music, then you're gonna love timing the tribes to go down to that. Anyways, I don't listen to music at all, so not not the best consultant on that deal. But the boys never caught any big alps down there, um Newlands. So but they had some they had had a big and that they got somewhere else. Yeah. But the old chancey he's gotta figured out man. Yeah you know why, because he cured out how do you have a blast and also be pretty successful? Yeah, well you've got to have a blast thing figured out pretty good. The success is sometimes it's yeah, I feel like that's man, And maybe, uh, maybe just need a few more years or something. I don't know, but That's that's the the gap I want to bridge is that like freaking have a party and also killed Big John Bucks on the rig. Yeah, I think we can make that happen. We're honing in on man. Yeah, there's a humming bird out there eating. This is just a birdie place. It's kind of late for him to be out of bottlebrush. Man. They love it. Um. So you know, you and I were talking about this before we got on how much we despise social media right now. But I will say this. Facebook groups are pretty awesome. It's the redeeming quality on Facebook. And now they gave you a button you can press for groups, and if you've got good admins, they filter out all that bullcorn that all your high school acquaintances are posting. Uh. And there's a home bird right there. That's why, and that's why we keep our Element Friends and Fans group small. Yeah, so we don't have to mess with it. We got only cool people in that try. I had to admen nothing on there. It's a good feeling. Um. But yeah, man, you clicked that button and then it's like figs airloom tomatoes, chickens tomatoes. So Casey invitimated this group called Air Secret. What is it secret Airloom Tomato Varieties or something like, Yeah, that's something like that. Dude, it is bad. Everybody is like apparently the Cherokee purples are starting to come off right now, and everybody slicing Cherokee purple and putting pepper on it and just posting pictures of these big tomato steaks. They're the best, dude, I've got. I didn't get to check my Cherokees today, but there I can tell one of them is about to do it. I think I'm I'm still like probably ten days off from having arrived tomato. You're gonna have a legit, beefmaster. I thought I was ten days off, like twenty days ago, and I still haven't got one. Taking a while there, I had this big green one at the bottom. It's just been green forever. Man, it's finally starting to turn a catface like. No, I like those caface ones. I don't think they're cool. I think they're hard to slice. They don't look good enough good for me to slice. Maybe you know there's neat though, man. Remember that brandy wine I had a couple of years back when we made sauce over it in the album A Pound and a Half. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't too hard cafe though. Somebody was on that group like get well, I don't want to know ugly to make it with a bunch of brown stuff on it, you know, but like one that's got some squiggles on the outside is cool. Yeah, dude, it's a cool group. Man. I started like the first night that you invited me and I was accepting in the group. I went and looked at the seed catalog for the people who kind of started the group. Whatever, you know, you're one of my seeds. May I wanted to buy them all, dude. Well, so I was gonna buy some and I and I asked a question about storing them, you know, people, oh yeah, the store just keep them dry or whatever, and so um I get ready like two days later to go buy some, and they're like, oh, we're closed for the season. They closed down. From the time that I joined the group to the time that I went to a lot of those places do that stuff, and uh, who else does it? Oh, like trees of antiquity and trees of joy and dude, all these things that are like, um, well, I guess heirloom or heritage variety stuff like that. This is the kind of off season during the summer. You know, everybody's planting in the in the spring and buying in the winter, but then they opened up in August. So like, what's weird is that our climate is so much different than like a lot of people and like I mean even in America, but like there's a ton of like Canada people that are on that website that like it's the It's what's weird is that, like a we're so far away from each other and our climbate is so much different that it's not even like oh, just push their season like a month or two, you know what I mean. It's like the season is completely different in whack, you know. And I've noticed this with like some of the deer research that I've been doing, the like planting for deer research I've been doing. It's like some of the places up north and like Michigan and stuff, it's like, um, they can plant stuff that will like last all summer and into the fall, and I'm like, dude, stuff burns up here. It burns to a crystal like and this is like and we're I mean, this isn't like arid country or we're at we're we've got tons of lakes, like it's East Texas. We get golf humidity, like and it's just so hot. It's hot hot. And I think the other weird thing that I've noticed is that people talk about plating green for the winter. I don't think he gets cold enough to make deer hit green that hard. There's something green around here at all times of the year. Yeah, yeah, Like I mean I had that uh wheat and oat patch like half acre this year, and the deer walk through it and would nibble or whatever. But it never was a food source. You know, they could just go to the woods and find bee, berrier, greenbrier or whatever, and I don't know, it's a it's a different deal, man. That's that's why, you know Chancey's point. I love hearing people from other parts of the country who have actually experienced things validate what we know to be a fact, and not that it feels good to have self out of the validation, don't get me wrong, but like it's it's a real deal. Like if you don't have corn, yeah, Joe Mac does next door, you know, like, what are you gonna do? Yeah, I know, dude, and you can't just like the thing is man like like you were kind of I think the point you're kind of trying to make is like some dude from Michigan or Wisconsin or whatever, because he's talking about well, no I'm talking about like starts going, uh, shoot, you know, I don't think we should bait. You know what I mean. Well, it's like, well, you haven't been to Texas to hunt. You don't know what it's like. You know, go hunting. Uh, you know, go hunt in Arkansas and see how easy that. It's okay if you don't want to bait in Michigan, I'm I'm all four that. Keep your opinion to your state, that's right. So the heirloom deal is like, okay, so real quick, I don't want to keep harping on it, but it's so cool and I'm nerding out on it hard. Probably nobody cares right now. But the cool thing Kyle is listening. The cool thing about it is that like they trace some of these things. Have you read any of the like descriptions? But I've done this with figs and apples a lot. You know where you're going, so they like, you know, all the like tomatoes, I guess or I don't know this for a fact, but I'm pretty sure they're originally from like you know, a Mediterranean everything good is yeah, so so basically, like, for instance, I got a couple of stories about two airlooms real quick. One of them. Um. It was like there's like these famous heirloom tomato growers, and there's like this whole culture of people that are like royalty, um, that have like established like for instance, if there's some prints uh in Europe or whatever, like there's a good chance he has a garden that he probably never does anything too, and all this you know, workers do or whatever, and they grow like these whack air limb tomatoes, except it takes a lot longer. So apples. You have apple tree and apple tree and they cross pollin eate the chances of that being a good apples like one in one thousand. It's not good. And you've got these gardens in in England where they do this thing, and there's guys who dedicate their whole life to like one crop of apples. They cross pollinate like sixty trees for their whole life. They grow these sixty trees and hopefully by the time they're like fifty these trees start producing fruit and maybe like a couple of them are decent. Man, it's it is and and but it's it's cool. It's intriguing to me because like what will happen is this seed company will get these seeds for this particular tomato and it's got its own like name, you know, and everything, and they'll be like, I got these from a friend in Michigan who knows such and such like heirloom dude. They don't say who he is. They just say his name, and apparently all the heirloom freaks know who he is. But it's like Tom Wasson or something, you know what I mean. And it's like from Michigan and he got it from a friend of his who runs a kitchen in New York who apparently got it from France. And it's like they trace it back to France, like uh, they like make these contacts in Greece and places like that. Like, yeah, I got my my buddy Sergio to send me these cuttings from from Greece and I wanted to try this figural d so cool, man, I don't know, I've been really really digging on it. Lately, and I'm gonna definitely like because the seats are like three fifty. It's like, dude, can I plan all these like you can? How many several hundred bucks can I spend on this? Plenty? For they're gonna have a tomato garden Northeast. Oh, it's gonna be awesome. I gotta I gotta find some more shade though, that's for sure. Yeah, they make shades that you put over tomatoes, but they're like fifty dollars for two d square foots. Do math on man, No, sir. You know. Another thing I find interesting is how like all these kind of like northern and Western companies um in the hunt's face right now. Keep I've been noticing this, but they keep like being like, congrats to our staff member X who shot a bear and now he's going to turn into barbecue. It's like we can't just say congrats to our staff member who shot a bear, oh, because they gotta put the medium Like everyone was like, yeah, like they gotta they talk about what they're gonna do with it, because with bears, like apparently everybody's worried about the image. See what I would do with the bear is skin it because that hot is the coolest thing. Yeah. I never have touched a black bear hide until Sunday. We went to uh some people's house for um graduation party and it was you know, there's best part one of bast Proto in Rains County has a bast pro too, and uh, dude, blackbird here is the nicest thing. Like, if you can make underwear out of it, I would wear it. It is it's like it's thick, but it's soft and it's like it's a good texture. It's awesome. So you turn the skin inside out. Yeah, oh yeah, that's right, dude. It's crazy. I just I just noticed it the other day. I was like, man, nobody goes man, I can't wait. I mean not nobody, but in you know, the ratio of people going, we're gonna turn this deer into you know, some kind of past trauma or whatever. Like, hey, you don't see that hardly ever. It's like, hey, here's my buck and I'm holding both his horns with a bear. It's like, hey, they just wanted you to make sure there's no trophy involved in this. It was all about the me. Yeah, exactly. So it's a it's a weird deal man. In fact, we left the hide in the woods just so just so you know, yeah for real. But anyway, and I enjoyed this podcast with Chancey and um, you know, it's a good welcome break from all the stuff that you mentioned in the beginning to just to hang out with a couple of dudes and talk hunting. And like you said, man, when you're um, you know, when you're trying to get your heart to the right place, I think, Um, you don't have to worry yourself with you know, how you view things if you've got the correct lens, which for us is the Bible, right you know. So anyway, my two cents at the end, Yeah, bookings there. I want some burnings right now. Man, that sounds good. Okay, we gotta go, all right, Well, thank you all for listening, and remember this is your element living in

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