00:00:00 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Tyler Jones and you're listening to the Element podcast. He's got me in look dance little anybody can cross bagas shoes. You're saying, every leg and everything is going. I got a long legged friends having out what's happening on all the woods? People? I'm here today and I am the white toe weather man. You are the weather man s Every podcast opens with somewheather report. That's usually not applicable for the actual day. It's usually a couple of days previous, right, And then not to mention, nobody's from Texas listening. That's actually no, there's fourteen percent of you are from Texas. We very much appreciate that. Uh now it's a good time to say this. We haven't discussed this much, but our friends in Massachusetts who are in second place for listeners, can you believe that? Really? Massachusetts? Thanks Massachusetts. There's no way Boston person is Apparently there's quite a few folks. I think it's a comedy. They like they just listen to us. Usually like, let's try to interpret what they're saying. I don't know. But now we've got a lot of support all across the nation, and thank you all. So much for listening. But it's really cool to kind of see, um, the spread of the Element podcast, which is a good thing. When you usually say the spread, that's usually like either like a football play or it's like some disease. It's going places and we don't want that to happen. But anyways, in short, thank you all very much for listening, and thank you for tuning in for your weekly wait till weather report. Can we go ahead and get to that. It is sunny and sixty degrees nice. It is a good day, man, for sure. I don't know. I just always feel like it's a good day. You know. It's just a good day to when I'm having a good day, you know what I mean. So anyway, Uh, we have got a guy that's coming on the podcast. You're pretty quick, um, and he's a real cool dude, real level headed, uh guy that you want to learn deer hunting tactics from. Uh, Josh Smith from wildcaret Deer Attractants. Um. This is a episode about things that are gonna be smelling in the woods and so hopefully, uh, they're not smelling you, but they're smelling these deer sense that you're using. I don't know a whole lot about this casey do You don't have a whole lot of experience with sense either. My most scent experience has been uh, probably ten or fifteen years ago when my parents owned an actually really nice piece of property that they ended up selling, which is still a point of contention in the family. Um. Uh. They owned this property and my dad would take a cotton ball and screw it in the end of the era and shoot it to the back side of the property before we went over there and hunting. Yeah, dude, it worked. And seriously, he'd shoot this thing like five hundred yards, you know, like just arc this thing away over there, and then show up over there thirty minutes later, and like you know, deer would be out. I mean, it wasn't like the most effective ever, but like my dad is convinced that it works well. Another thing that I used to do very similarly as I used to bring a slingshot to the stand with me, and I rigged up these things that had it was like a three eighths inch um nut and I would put the cotton ball inside the nut and then I would get up in there and I had these inside of a ziploc bag pre soaking in scent, and then I would distribute the scent via the sling shot from my stand to where I wanted it to be. That didn't really work over the A's right, Caughton balls with with chrome nuts all over. Uh elerodo Texas down there it was, I mean it was. I think it was a neat idea, but I don't know. It's not perfected, like the wild carriage system is pretty perfected. Yeah, yeah, I see that for sure. I haven't used it a whole lot as far as I I think I got a Tinks you know, one time before for Christmas or something like that, before Eason, and try to use that. And if you can use a bottled scent without getting it on you, you are a magician. You are, and I'm not. It is not. I just do not like sitting there smelling my year in hand for long periods of time, uh, during a during a sit for white tail. Um, apparently you don't mind it as much. I think you've had some year into drinking. You're a drink you know that's good. And that's why couldn't you sense? Because I kept running through while I was sitting in the stands. This is gross that we have. Just so you know, I drink my own p of a bottle with Tyler not not long before Tyler pete on me. So there's that too. So this is this episode is all about your buddy, Hut, I figure you fee down wind? Okay, don't fee up wind of your brother, your buddy that's sitting below. That's what you get from putting me thirty three ft in the tree, dude. Yeah, well it is what it is. Well, you know what, we're getting pretty pretty close to a place called Gorditas, and I think I could smell it from here, so speaking it smells. Let's get Josh on the podcast. How about sounds good? All right? All right, so now on the phone we have Josh Smith, the wildcaret deer attracting Josh. Is it feeling good in your neck of the woods yet? It is funning? Man? This uh, this past week has been the first breaking hot, dry weather that we've had in a couple of months. Man. So we we went basically from June until late September with almost no rainfall. Um, it's just super dry. The last couple of weeks before now, we were literally hotter than Honduras. So it's been rough. You know, it's it's it's hard to scrape together motivation to be outside. I work outside, so uh, you know, when I have time off and it's a hundred degrees out, it's it's pretty hard for me to break out of that. A C. Yeah, you're you're in Tennis Sea, is it right? Yes, sir, he's Tennessee, just just south and Knoxville cool. So that's uh, that's considered the south, right, And I would put you all in that for sure. They got fried chicken there. Oh dude, they got good fried chicken there. I guarantee, for sure you can if you consider Kentucky the south, and you da, I'm sure better. That's true. That's true that the state of the North. Year. I mean, there's country music in that state, right, that's the capital, so it's uh, it's gotta be southern. I don't know, people would probably disagree with that state right now. I knew a guy who lived in Nashville for a while. He's a sports writer, and uh he he always claimed that Nashville had like the worst weather of anyone that you can possibly uh like any place you can possibly live, because you get the hot weather of the summer, but then you also get these blizzards like almost every every winter, and he said, it's just like the the hottest and the coldest that you can possibly be in one city. So you know, yeah, it's the it's an interesting mix. You know. We're just on the west side actually in the foothills of the Smoky Mountains, so we get some some different kinds of weather. You know, precipitation coming across from the west hits those mountains and dumps on us at sometimes and then you know, like I said, sometimes it's just bone dry. Yeah. I know some guys that are actually just now putting in food plots because we just haven't had enough rain to even break up the soil. Man. That's pretty light. Man, That's it's crazy. Do you ever do you ever go to the Smokey's and fish or anything. Yeah, Yeah, we like to go up to uh Citico Creek. Uh there's some good trout fishing up there. I've got a I have actually four kids, and my uh second oldest son is a huge trout fan. You know, he lives for trout fishing. So we like to get up there and and uh enjoy that as much as we can. It's beautiful country. Well we we would get along. Man's I hope my son becomes a trout junkie too. He actually netted a HeLa trout last year on a vacation, so that was pretty cool little moment. It was actually a really jealous moment for Dad because I hadn't actually caught one at that time, and I'm like, this dude is over here, net no mo out of the water. I can't even get one to buy the fly. You know, What's what's going on? I know, Yeah, I don't know how legal it was, but um, I can't say that I was involved because I was downstream, you know, so I think they usually turn they kind of turn a blind eye if you're under a certain name. Yeah, he's definitely he didn't know anybody, but who knows. Dad might have got a ticket if if the game wouldn't came around. So anyway, well, dude, um, so you are basically attempting a new endeavor. That sounds like I told you this earlier off their uh that you probably won't shoot a deer for a while. It sounds like he might go several years here without shooting deer. You might be having to buy some beef. Uh. Talk about that a little bit. Well, Uh, I've always been a big fan of bow hunting. Um since I was a kid. I grew up shooting bows and my dad we did a lot of three D stuff, and I just always, honestly, before I even had a love for bow hunting, I had a love for bow shooting. So just the target shooting has always been a lot of fun to me. Um. And just recently, kind of by happenstance, I received a hand me down long bow from my grandpa. So, um, I'm I've been practicing quite a bit with that. And I wouldn't say I'm terrible, but I wouldn't say I'm great. So it's definitely going to be a process, uh, kind of learning the ins and outs and and my my method of choice is more instinctual shooting. So that's gonna take even longer, you know, to just kind of get comfortable with that. Um. But I I am inspired because when I first picked it up, Um, I zipped some good shots in there, and I thought and all, this this thing might not be so bad. So uh, I'm excited about it, you know. And then honestly, this all escalated so quickly. My other my dad's this is my mom's grand father that I'm referring to. And my dad's dad had an old Ben Pearson Pento re curve that I also just got. And uh, and he had a great Northern bushbow longbow from oh Man late eighties that I've also got. So I went from never shooting traditional now I'm like, I've got all the I'm spoiled roight. Yeah right. This all happened in a matter of about three weeks. So so I'm I kind of just dove in, you know, and I really enjoy it and I'm looking forward to it. And it's kind of a neat story. My my dad's dad actually, um back in the day, you know, we're from Michigan originally, and my mom's parents and dad's parents both were in the logging industry in Michigan, about an hour apart from each other. And my dad's dad used to cut quite a bit of red elm and supply some of the bowlers around there. And there's a really good chance that this bowl I've got has some red alment that one of my grandpa's cut for a bowler to make to make a bowl for my other grandpa. So it's A yeah, it's very cool. It's it's you know, that's kind of part of the reason. It's not just like I'm diving into it for something new. You know, I feel like this is this is this is tug at the heart pretty yet you know, that's A that's an interesting point, man, because I feel like this happens a lot through like traditions that are in hunting and elsewhere where. Um there's this thing that gets popularized by someone and it's like pop pop culture to do it now, but it, um, it also really means something to other people, and it it's I don't want to say ruins, but it kind of, I don't know, falsifies a little bit what some people are trying to do from a pure motive standpoint, you know, because and and we're talking about the traditional archy thing right now, because it's like it's kind of a popping thing like a subculture or something within the hunting industry right now. They're like, oh, I'm going to get my long bill out and then people do it for a year and they're like, I no, no things, but you know, they don't have any they don't have that connection like you do to it. So I hope that, um it doesn't you know, I hope that doesn't sour you on it anyway, because it's really cool that you have like this, you know, this deep connection to it. Like I don't know when you started talking about the type of wood that's in there that maybe your granddad cut that. It's just that is just the coolest story, man, It's so neat. Yeah, and it's it's really cool, you know. And you know, I'm fortunate to be in the position to have had such a good relationship with so many of my grandparents with my parents were young when I was born, so it's been of a benefit to me to grow up with basically, you know, multiple sets of parents, you know, basically, so uh, it's there's a lot of nostalgia and a lot of family ties involved in every time I every time I hear that twang of that string, you know, that's cool. There there's something I mean, I'm sure it's been said a million times, but there's something really uh cool about when you release an arrow out of a trad bow and it goes where it's supposed to and it flies like it's kind of tuned. It's like that's a that's a cool feeling. Man. It's it's like it's like throwing a rock at a street sign from thirty yards and hitting it. You know what I mean, It's like that gums, that's exactly right. Yeah, that's the truth. Yeah, it's just it's ah, I don't know, It's just there's something intriguing about the variability and the degree of uncertainty involved. You know, everybody's got this compound boat tune and came down to such a science and it's I'm not saying it's easy, because it's certainly not, but it's it's a lot more in system, you know. So it's like, yeah, having that instinct shot you know, it's just a different kind of thing. Yeah, I did that back. I picked up the recurve for a while and shot it and uh then I missed elk at levin yards and decided that I would wouldn't shoot it anymore. Um And uh, I think it was because like I could not like or not could not. I didn't try to wrap my head around the tuning thing. I just shot arrows. And are are you having somebody to kind of help you with that? Because I know it's super complex or you kinda is that something you like diving into as well. I'm kind of diving into that as well. I'd like to learn, you know, I'd just like to learn new things all the time. Uh. And I've really gotten into the tuning aspect. I watch a lot of Clay Hayes UM watch a lot of his videos. You guys familiar with him, I've heard I think I've heard him on a podcast or something. Maybe. Sure. He makes a lot of self bowl does a lot of like general wodsmanship videos and stuff online and UM has a basically a bowl building and tuning instructional course that you can access online. So that's been super beneficial. You know, there's a lot of great resources through three Service Archery too where you can learn about you know how adjusting your brace height is gonna affect your ero flight UM, and you know how different spine arrows are going to come off there differently. And and it's a it's a ton of information for sure, and it's not something I'm gonna master anytime soon. But but I'm committed, you know, I don't mind that it's going to take a while. Yea, you have a goal with it, or is it just something you're kind of just gonna progress with. Um, I want to eat something. That's really my only goal. I don't have, you know, Uh, like we kind of talked about before. Um, there is a one chance that I'm launching an arrow at a spike if he walks into I love it. Man. There was a hundred percent chance I was going to do that on Tuesday evening and it didn't happen. So but you gotta have the spike before you can, you know. So that's what that's what that was our issue. For sure it was gonna happen, but it didn't. Um, So I don't have any I don't really have any delusions of grandeur or anything on going out there and seeking only bucks. And you know that's that's h I'm I'm realistic. Yeah, I don't know, man, tunes See is a big buck state. Now, y'all got the world record and all that, right, So yeah, we do. There's really good hunting if you if you go about two and a half hours west where we're at, where I'm at. Uh, it's it's fine. I love to hunt here, but it's ridge country. There's almost no agriculture at all, so everything hinges on mass crop and and uh, you know, just it's it's a little trick here to get it downpacked. Yeah, that's the case. Well, we had we had a buddy, uh hunt some public and Tennessee, he's just moved there. Um And it was the same evening that we hunted, and did you know case he was wanting to shoot his bike. We saw zero things except for a hawk that almost shitting me in the head. And uh, he was like, he was like, well, what y'all see? And I'm like, okay, this dude has a good report for It's like you don't just you don't, you know, do that. So anyway, I told him we didn't have any any lugg din't see any deer, and he was like, well I saw thirty does and three bucks and we're like this guy, you know, and he's you know, it's just it's just a new public, you know, parcel that he really just like saw fen the road. And I was like, I'm gonna go out there and sit in this field. So, I mean, I guess there's probably some opportunity for you there, but it sounds like you kind of have a spot locally pretty close there to hunt, right. Yeah, we do. We've got some family ground that we hunt here. Um And last year, actually, you know, I'm I messed around with Onox quite a bit and uh found what used to be a tv A Tennessee Valley Authority. They're kind of a government based um energy company locally, you know a lot of hydro electric and stuff like that, and they own a ton of property. Uh well, they owned boat launch that sits on like four and a half acres and it's it had been abandoned. It looks like years ago and it hasn't been kept up at all, and it's wooded, and it's on a back road and it's surrounded by close to acres of one owner private land. So you know, there's a handful of guys that hunt that big piece. But I'm you know, I kind of got into a little bit of a honey hoole man. I just like him. Just that is the dream for me is to find this like four acre spot, you know that like nobody knows about. And we've we've done so much like just scathing of the maps to try to find that in Texas and you see all these you know, when you're on on X you see all these like possible potential public land places, and in Texas that means that, um, it's state land and it's least by somebody with cattle and a lot of money, and they don't let So it's like that gum. You know, we're pretty much confined to uh to the places that everybody knows here, so we don't have just a ton of public land unfortunately. But um, well, I think this little this little piece that I found, I think that there are several people that have known about it found out about it over the years. But the private landowner that surrounds it has been very adamant about running people off there, and up until I confronted him with on X, you know, he was trying to run me off of there, and I'm like, look, you know, there's property boundaries. This is public land. I'm only in here bull hunting and I know where your property starts, and I won't set foot on it. So yeah, uh you know, I'll be back here. I hope you don't mind. Yeah, it was it was it weird. I mean, like, did it ever get weird after you kind of showed him that or was he pretty much like backing off at that point? He was good after I showed him that. It was a little weird before because he came you know, he was trying to tell me that it was his private property, so it was. It was a little tense for a second, but not a big deal at all. He's a nice enough guy, so um, yeah, it's fine. He did, however, come through there with one of his buddies squirrel hunting while I was sitting in a standing Yeah. That's that's a nice little tactic to run people off. Real that's crazy. Well, so you're you're I guess something that might be key for getting a deer in front of you know, ten or fifteen yards in front of you with a long bow. I guess that's your range. I mean, what are you are you looking at shooting longer than that? Are you gonna stay pretty close close to the cuff with the shots? I'll stay twenty, Yes, I've got dependent on the situation. You know, if it's perfect road side, I was up one at twenty and feel good about it. If there's any kind of quartering action, I prefer be a little closer. Sure, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So yeah, and I'm just hopeful that my brain can function enough to extinguish that at the time. Yeah, dude, that's the that's the key thing. We were talking yesterday Casey and I actually about kind of the same situation as like, uh, you talk about Um you told us you you know that you hunt from the ground quite a bit, and we hunted. We've hunted from the ground last couple of years as well, quite a bit, and uh, you know that can sometimes, I guess in certain countries at least where we've hunted in the past, turned into a pretty long shot sometimes. And so we were talking about. Man, He's like, are you prep to shoot a fifty yard shot? You know? And I'm like, I don't know if I am. You know, like I can shoot that all day in my yard here. But it's just a different animal. No pun intended that you would, you know, be shooting at a live animal at fifty yards. It's just, uh, it's a different deal, man. I mean when you put nerves and and all that into it. I mean, um, people talk about hunting, you know, it's not really you know, like life and death. We can go to the store and buy meat and stuff like that, but I mean you're about to take the life of something. It's it's uh, it really is, you know, it is man, and and it's uh, it can be kind of a heavy, heavier thing for certain people as well. And that's one thing, um, I've noticed, you know on some of the YouTube comments. We get here and there and we try to put everything out there, whether we miss or whether we hit high or whether we you know, smoke it or whatever, and uh, you know, people I think are really judgmental and not understanding that. Like, um, people across the border are going to handle situations differently, and some people are gonna just have more nerves. Some people that means more to them. Uh. You know, there's just different ways of viewing it in different reactions that we all have. So um, yeah, it's it's a it's a weird thing to try to try to in that moment where you're really just so zoned in and focus and almost blackout. It's it's hard to think about, like, you know, are you gonna actually pull off of that shot or are you just gonna go? Man, I've worked all season for this and now I'm pretty much in range, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, I have. I've more than once passed on what would have been a good shot, just because I didn't have the confidence that I could pull it off. You know, I could shoot sixty yards even with my compound at home and to a target and have no problem with that accuracy. But you know, when you're in the woods, I like to think that I'm I'm accurate to about half the distance that i'd be in my backyard. Yeah, that's pretty That's a pretty good thought there, for sure. I like that. I don't think that makes sense to me as well. Yeah, I have a much morter time with that. I'm the opposite. I like kind of go Superman mode, you know, like I can I can do anything, like I can pull it off, you know, And uh I don't. I don't know. Uh uh. I missed a elk this year and hit one high, which neither of those situations I felt that way. They were all both good odd shots. I just have messed it up. Um. But like in the past, I know that I've I've like not been able to range something and be like, I'm good enough for guessing distances. You know, I got this, It's fine. And then you know, just flight out missed terribly right, you know, And I don't know, have you have you learned how to, uh be what's the not pessimistic, but I guess a realist when it comes to your abilities or is that something that's in your nature. That's probably just the way I've always been. I mean, um, you know, if like I was talking about passing on the shot, when I don't feel like I have the confidence. Uh, there are times when the confidence is there, you know, and I'm like you, I'm like, I got this, not a problem, you know, no big deal, and that's when you release zerrow. But when I have any second guesses at all, I just easier back down, you know, wait for another time because you never know, you know, I've I've wounded animals in the past, and I do not enjoy that. You know. It's it's it's a terrible, terrible feeling. So it's not something I want to have repeated. This. This may sound shallow too. I think I know what you're saying as far as it's not something that that's fun. It's not terrible or it's terrible. It's it's something that you know, like I think you're talking about probably being remorseful that you wounded an animal and it has to kind of suffer. But there's also like said, this might sound kind of shallow, but there's also this whole like, um, like how bad do you really want to walk around the woods trying to just find one speck of blood for twenty four hours? You know, Like that's just not fun either as well. So it's like there's just so much in wounding an animal that's not fun. Man, it's and so like to me, there are a lot of tactics that you can use to to get an animal into closer range, and we're always I mean to me, I'm always trying to get a closer shot, like I will take the tin yard or all day. That's what I want, you know, and um, and so you know, what are the as far as you know, for you, you've probably got some expertise in in the whole um scent uh deer attractant kind of game, and we don't really know a whole lot about that. It's not something that I've used a whole lot. Uh. You sent us some stuff last year that we used, um a little bit, and Casey hasn't used a ton of it either, So it's just not something that we're super familiar with. So just could you fill us in on on um. And I know this is a vague question, but I mean, maybe take us through the season, different stages of the rut. How do we use sense to get a deer and close and then how do you also, um, you know you're using a deer's nose, but at the same time, like that's their best defense as well, how do you keep them? How do you keep them you know coming into a scent that's gonna put them in bow range, but not in your sent come your personal sentcom Sure, well, uh, my methods are are my own and I'm glad to share them with you. But it doesn't mean that it's It doesn't mean that it's right for everybody, you know, and uh, there are plenty of people out there that disagree over any and everything they can, so I have no issue with that. But personally, what I like to do is um early season, I'm using our products obviously all the time because it's research. It's an investment in in myself to always be using those products. So I know them in and out and I know exactly you know, what we can expect and and kind of how how the deer are going to respond to a certain extent because at the end of the day, they're wild animals and they're gonna behave however they choose, so so it's, uh, it's tricky in that regard. But what uh, you know, early season, it's hot and I'm generally using the cover scent and what we manufacture our deer urns, and we patented a packaging system that keeps them fresh without refrigeration for a long time. And and it also are our single use packs make it easy to use and keep that stuff off your hands and clothes, which is which is the big benefit. But I like to use. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's it's uh, there's nothing worse than getting that stuff all over you and not realizing it. You know. I opened one up yesterday and uh to to put it on a limb, and I was thankful that I did not have it on me. Man. Yeah, yeah, it is. It's very factive, you know. And you know how intense a deer sense of smell is. So if if if that's strong to you, then you can imagine how far out a deer could be and get away for that um, And what I like to do, you know, we offer regular buck, regular dough, dominant buck, and estrus dough sentse and early season, we also have a synthetic early season. I like to use those regular buck and regular dough sents just as a cover. And I've had good experience with them covering up my stink um just from being sweaty. You know. It's you can't even get out of the truck where I'm at early season without just sweat pouring off of you. So UM, I find that in my experience, it's it's it's a great cover because it kind of gives dear a calming effect, you know, when they smell that fresh year and they know that deer that basically are in that area right now, you know, so so they they observe that as a safe travel corridor, safe place to be. Um, And so I like to use those as a cover. How do you know that that's effective at that point? Is it a situation where um, a deer's down wind and they just don't act like anything happens and they just you know, just act normal. Is that how you know it worked? Or yeah, yeah, that's the best that's the best evidence for me. I don't spray down with a bunch of scent killer. Uh, you know, I don't. I don't usually wear us uh scent lock suit or anything like that. I have some of that clothing that you know that I've got the same hunting clothing I've had since I was fourteen, So I got all kinds of stuff. I mean, it's really across the board for what I used for gear or whatever. But uh yeah, I'm mostly just the comfort level. And and having deer down winded me. The biggest example that I had when it really became clear to me I just how effective it could be using these covers. It was Kentucky two years ago. I sat early September in a stand that I had to walk almost a mile into and it was mid nineties, you know, just hot, hot, and I was sweating to death. I could smell myself and and was just covered up with deer sitting a field edge, you know, and didn't I didn't have great uh leaf cover in front of me and my stand either, Like I was visible enough to where they could spot me if they were looking for me. Um. And I just never spooked a deer. I had bucks doze thirty eight deer come in on that eat that one evenings it and never spooked to one. And they're not deer that are super familiar with human scent. You know, there's not a lot of people in and out of that area. Uh So the odds of successfully pulling that off or pretty slim, so that that just was was one example that was reassuring to me that this is having an effect. You know, there's no way these deer are not winding something. But if I've got this up here, at least there wind and deer sent over top of my set, I know that they're still smelling me. There's no way they're not a deer can smell, you know, I can't even like twenty some different sense at one time in a single second, think of process. So you know, you know they're smelling you too, but they're all they're smelling that in a much stronger rate, and I think it overrides a little bit of what you've got going on. Yeah. Sure, So at what point do you do you change things up? You say, early season, you're talking about cover since just kind of a generic you know, regular buck or dough kind of sense. What at what point are you switching things up to more of an attracting style. Well, I usually do that. Um, late September we start kicking around mock scrapes, like to use the dominant dominant buck urine on mock scrapes. Um, we have great success for that. And I'll use doastros on mix scrapes too, and had good success with that as well. And we've got tons of trail camera you know, uh footage pictures and video of of that whole process and and deer coming into those scrapes on our website and on our social media. Um, so great examples of that, you know. Um, I start with that dominant buck on the mock scrape so real quick. Um, you know how I guess there's uh, at least maybe people are bigger buck killers than me and Casey. But how dominant is too dominant? You know? Like what at what point you know, what size of deer, what age class of deer is gonna be attracted to that, and what age class of deer, size of deer is gonna go hmmm. I know this is probably depending on their personality and stuff, but are they gonna do do does a You know, if I'm looking to shoot a spike with my longbow, if I use dominant buck, is that gonna be something that spooks him? You know? What I mean, that's a that's a good question. That's something that is a concern for a lot of folks, you know, Um, but I don't. We don't have any evidence of any spooking like that. Uh. The idea, part of the idea of using that dominant buck in the mock scrape is that it tends to hold dose. It'll draw in like a matriarchal joe because you know she, they'll search out a dominant buck and they know from the scent of you know, our our dominant buck. Urine has a tarsal bland extract in it um as well. And the idea there is that it will help to hold does. And if you have does, you have bucks. Yeah, got so. So that's a big part of the thought process behind that. UM. And then as we get closer to mid to late October, Uh, those scrapes are heating up, road activities starting to pick up into the pre rut. Then I'll start busting out a little more estrous dough and using it as a drag a little more often, just to kind of get that scent spread out a little more into woods, uh and and directed towards where I'm gonna be set up. Uh, and I had great success. The biggest buck I ever shot came in nose down on one of our one of my scent trails from an estus do lure and uh, it's just a cool, cool thing to see, you know. The the that's how they reproduce. There's really no argument to the effectiveness of of a dough and estrous scent. That's how the bucks are finding, you know. So if you can successfully convince that buck that you are a dough and estres, the odds are on is going to find you eventually. And it doesn't work. It doesn't nothing works every time, obviously, but we you have had had great success uh using these sense and they're just the quality of the product that we put into the package is awesome. Uh. It comes from the farm with super high quality control standards. UH, stainless steel, food grade collection facility that's kept super clean and there's zero vehicle contamination. Uh. Just just a quality product in the package does a great job of keeping it that way until until you're in the woods open. Yeah, that's cool. Let's talk a little bit about that package stuff. So in the pack that you get, it usually comes with actually a like I don't know. The easiest way way way for me to describe it is like a real and it's almost toy lock and that's what you use, not in a like a bad way, but like it just reminds you of something like you hook up to a hot wheels car, right or something. But yeah, that's similar. Yeah, it's if you picture it's basically like what you would think of a janitor having his keys hook to. Yeah, you know, it's like the same idea. Yeah, that's what I think or a name tag, you know that like a security bag to pull out yea, and that same sort of idea, except for ours is adjustabling link that stays out to the link that you pull it when you release a little button that stays locked at that way until you push the miniature dog leash thingy. So and that's what you put in there for uh to use as a drag and that I think that's really cool and really intuitive. Um, I feel like the drag thing is something that's uh, I don't know, it's kind of lost some popularity and maybe in the past ten or fifteen years. I know that it's like one of my granddad's like old killer tactics, right, like he takes a thumb tack and puts a cotton swab on his heel and walks in with it or whatever. And you know that's the old way of doing it, and now you've got like the cool new age way. Um. Do you feel like that's uh? Surely the tactic hasn't lost its effectiveness, right, Like? And why why why don't people use that more? And why is it like a big part of your hunting? Well, it's just things change, you know, the people's practices shift as time goes on. And and I think a lot of it has to do with popular opinion. Um. And I think a lot of it also has to do with the amount of products out there that are not quite as effective. Maybe quality control is not quite as good on the on the front end, um, and guys will have a bad experience with one product and right off a whole group. You know, I know how many guys have you heard of that shot of rage broad had had a malfunction and there fixed blade only from now on you has nothing to do with schwhacker or whoever else, But they won't shoot another mechanical again. Yeah, it's similar to that. And then you also have uh, the fact that you don't need to use sense to kill a deer. And that's something I hear so many people pushing. Well, I don't believe in them. I don't need to use them. You know, I'm not a scent guy, and that's fine. I don't spend a lot of energy talking those guys into using our products. You know, I have whatever makes you happy in the woods, if it's legal and you're ethical, then get after it. It doesn't bother me. Um, but yeah, it's it's ah. I try not to put too much effort into that because usually the guys that are really pushing that envelope of censer a waste of time or whatever, spending hours and hours planting food plots, you know, using uh you know, like fiber optic bow sites on a compound bow shooting three feet per second. You don't necessarily need that either. You know, how far are you going to go? You know, you guys used to the best bowl hunters that we all know and love from the past didn't wear camouflage, so you know, it's just a personal tactics thing. And as as as far as that goes, you know, if a guy I don't like to use them, then that's fine. But if a guy likes if a guy wants to increase his odds like we all do in one way or another, and he's not opposed to using SENSE, then we always environed them to give us a try because we think that we uh we produce uh one of the highest quality SENSE out there. Personally, I think I think it's the best obviously, but but you know, it's it's a great product and we stand behind it. So tell us, um, you know, since you do use that drag system as kind of one of your tactics, what's the ideal set up for doing that, because I'm sure it doesn't always uh work, you know, whenever you're talking at different times in the season. But then also i'm sure wind direction and you know, stand placement and all that kind of stuff has to like to make it all come together, right, Like, there's gotta be some certain scenarios that it is actually a good idea to use a drag, right, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, especially like pre run when the rug starts eating up, that's that's when I'm using those drags because that's when bucks are starting to cruise, you know, they're covering a little more ground. Looking for looking for those goals and asters. So if you are busting one of those lures open and dragging it into your stand the last hundred fifty yards or so, and a buck comes across that trail, you got a fifty chance he's gonna head your way. You know, if he picks up on that centrail, he might go the way the way you came in, away from you. There's a chance that that will happen, you know. But but if he picks up that centrail, he's going to be interested. You're super curious by nature, so especially when there's something sexual involved, that just piques your curiosity all the more. Um And, and that's one of the reasons I like to employ that drag system. And a lot of the time I'll use our estrus dough and I'll double it in conjunction with the dominant buck to kind of simulate a chase. Um. Yeah, drag him in together and then hang him near my stand. And uh, obviously you want to be up wind. You want that set to be up when to your stand, so you don't have to when you know and down winto where deer are going to be coming through from you. You want you want them to be picking that thing up and not picking you up. So just strategically locating that based on wind direction is your best bet. And I like to hang them in close enough to my stand that when a deer comes in and sniffs on that thing, he's going to delay a few seconds and give me a good opportunity at a broadside shot hopefully. So when you're when you're using a drag system like that, you drag it in and then you hang the uh what do we call this a sittab or yeah, something like that, you yep, yep. I'll clip them right off of that reel and zip it back up, you know, and and then um, go ahead and just hang them right through the islet that's on the package on a on a stick and usually i'll do that about licking branch height. That way, if one comes cruising through, they get a chance to really sniff on that thing. And we've got some awesome videos of that. They'll come in and just munch on it. Really, that's weird. That is weird. That's a weird, strange. The elk licking the the cow the other Yeah, just big bull like eight dirt where the cow pete. It was really strange. Uh, they're crazy, man. So how do you how do you like, I feel like that as you're walking in I'm a fast walker, which probably is great, but like, how do I keep that thing from smoking the back of my pant leg the whole time? You know? Yeah, if you're having issues with that, shorten it up a little if usually if it's flopping around and hitting me in the back of the leg gets stretched out too long and catching sticks or something and and you know, flinging up forward. So if you just shorten it up about six inches long, it just kind of hangs off the back of your boot just far enough to not slap you. Yeah, I got you. So what about are you taking like rubber gloves in or anything when you detach that thing? Do you get? I mean, I would imagine that it could flop around and pretty much contaminate scent wise the whole thing. Does it get on you? Well? What you can do? You know, our tent packs come in a resealable pouch. What I usually do is dump the contents out and into the front small pocket of my pack, and then I've got that empty resealable pouch that I can use for the trash. Okay, that that way, I don't have to handle it too much. You could. A lot of guys use rubber gloves. You know, there's no issue with that at all. You on clipped from your boot and hanging on a lamb using that rubber glove if you're worried about getting on your fingers. But man, honestly, I've worked with so much dear piss now that the smell don't really boy, I don't. I don't mind so much as I used to when I get it out of my hands. Yeah, so is it? Uh, let me ask you this. If you're walking down a trail, is it also a good idea to use a drag or are you wanting to intersect trails and that's how you're really going to attract a buck? Well, it depends on how much homework you've done. If you're gonna walk, if you're gonna walk down a trail, you know, using just that trail, and you're doing so because you've got your cams out and you know for the most part what deer coming through there and when they're doing it, and you've got a pretty good shot they're going to be cruising that trail and that's that's a good way to go. But if you're if you're lacking that degree of certainty, if you cover multiple trails, that's just increasing your odds that something's gonna pick up that scent no no matter, no matter what corridor they happen to be using at the time. Yeah, um, can you what are the chances that I mean, can a buck when he crosses that scent trail? Can he tell the difference in the age of a cent that's you know, her yards apart, Like, for instance, if he starts backtracking the wrong way away from your stand, can he well, he eventually figure out that he's going the wrong way and turn back around. Sometimes I don't know, you know, I can't say with certainty really because I can't get inside his brain. I wish I could, But you know, obviously, depending on his level of interest, Like if he's just driven to breed and and going nuts and reaches the end of that trail, he may circle back. And I don't know why they wouldn't. If you watch if you're watching hounds, track of Lion, Mountain Lion, if you ever watch you know, dogs tracking coons or bears or something they had in their own directions sometimes and circle back. And I have to think that a prey species would be similar because they're used using the same methods basically, except for they're not using it to survive, they're using it to reproduce. How many days in the woods? Uh, well, one of these you know wicks be effective. Can you hang this thing in a tree and come back and hunt the place four days later and assume that bucks like are now raging because there's a dough and astress that's been there for four days and they can't find her. You know. Yeah, Well that we have that's variable. You know, we have great uh evidence. So we've done a ton of research on these things. Um, we've had deer activity as long as twenty days after hanging one. So they're still holding center. And that's usually when it's dryer. If you have a bunch of rain, it's gonna wash that thing out a little bit. Um, But they hold scent, that felt material holds that sent for a good while. It's it's affective for a good while. And honestly, especially in our mock scrape setups, you'll have deer coming into that thing the first couple of days and then the deer are keeping that scrape fresh. You know, it doesn't so much matter what the wick is doing anymore because you've got actual deer coming in there and leaving sent all over the area. So it's a good starter for that. But it does hold that scent very effectively, especially if you're not getting heavy rains. So you know, kind of on that note, like the weather related stuff, Um, if you're hunting a more arid part of the country, is seeing just more effective in an arid part of the country because it can travel further without being just dissipated or whatever by humidity or whatever. Yep, humidity and temperature both play a role. You know, the warmer it is to the further that centled dispersed air molecules are moving a little faster and further, so that sense is going to carry a little better. Um. But we have great success to cold temperatures to you know, it's not a liquid product per se. It's soaked into that felt so it doesn't freeze up solid um and it does a great job of disperson scent even when it's super cold. Um. But yeah, you know, in a in an arid climate, like you said, you'll have a good opportunity there for it to carry a good ways, especially because usually in those area climates you get a little a little more air movement, you a little more wind, you know, you have it's not so stale, uh generally speaking. Um, so that's good. But most of our research and testing is done in the rainforest of East Tennessee. So if they're if they're effective here with the humidity that we have, you know, it's it's uh a mood point. That's good news for us because a lot of our research has done is the rainforest of East Texas. So I can only imagine those places are very similar. Lots of shakes and not a lot of deers. So you know, so what's the fact. What's the Is there like a particular way to do the scrape thing? Um, the mock scrape thing, Like, is there anything particular that we need to note when we set something up? Oh as far as what in particular are you are you thinking of? Just you know, when you go into set of mocks grape and you you may may or may not hang a camera on it, but regardless, you're gonna be hunting over that mock scrape. Like, how how are you setting that up? To I mean, and is there a difference in like I'm gonna set this up, this mock scrape up to uh, you know, draw a deer past me from a different part or they're gonna are I'm gonna draw them straight to the scrape and I'm just gonna hunt over. Is there a difference there? And then how like what cent are you using? Like is there a placement a hight you know the side of the scrape. How does that all look for you? Usually? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What we usually do um for our mox scrapes. Like I said, we use that dominant bug sometimes Estra's dough as well. Always hang them at a licking branch height, clear waste spot using a stick. Usually I don't like to use my boot, just in case there's any kind of contamination of sent on my boot from something. I try to be pretty meticulous about not wearing my my I store my gear and my boots on my back porch which is open air, which I don't wear them in the truck or anything. You know, But you can't be too careful, So I like you to stick to kind of scrape away that earth and make that mocks grape and then we'll hang him at licking branch height. UM. That way, when a deer comes in, he's getting his face up at her sheet or he is getting their face up in that branch at licking branch height and freshen and upset with preorbital of their own. So it helps to keep deer coming back in um and preorbital sense very effective also on those licking branches. Had a lot of success find like, well, sometimes locate a scrape that's actually made by deer, not a mock scrape, and take a licking branch from there and move it to wherever we're making our mocks scrape, so that we've got we've got an actual preorbital from deer on the branch, like dead gum it. Yeah yeah right, yeah, but that's something that we do and find it effective. Um. So yeah, and that's one of the things. We don't offer a preorbital scent right now, but we will. That makes me excited. I'm really interested in preorbital scent and that's the that's one of the things that I kind of wonder about with making mock scrapes. Um. You know how how smarder dear right, we all this is the big overarching question that we all ask his hunters. But if you're getting tarsal in in peace and uh down in the scrape, that's good. But if it's up on this stick, you know, do they are they ever like, well, that's weird because I don't know how that got up there, But I like the smell of it, you know, do they they ever think that strange or just dear just so instinctive and and hopped up on the rut at that point in time of the season. They just don't care. I don't. I don't have any experience of them finding its strange, you know, I don't think that. I don't and personally, I don't believe dear are that intelligent. I don't think that they process things that way. I think they are programmed. I think that they are made to stay alive. So you know, when you're thinking of a dear being super smart, chances are that is just scared to death, you know what I mean, doing what it's doing what it can to preserve life. But I don't think that they have and I don't mean that they're completely unintelligent. They obviously learned they'll pick up a human scent, you know, if they spot at the dough spot you in a stand, she's gonna be looking at that spot next time she comes through, you know. So they can obviously learn things, but as far as process and why is it why do I smell yourine off the ground? I don't think they think that that far into it. Are you sure to to go like take the wick and dab it around on the on the dirt sun before you put it up high? Or do you just make a dirty spot and then hang the wig? Honestly, sometimes I'll bury them just under the surface, yep, just under the surface of the dirt. I'll take a razor knife and cut that wick off of the foil part, burying under the surface of the dirt just a little bit. And I always am very sure to go back and and pull my trash, you know, I'll get that thing out of there when I when I'm not going to be back in the area. But yeah, that that wickle holed that cent If you put it just under the dirt a little bit, then you've got some on the grown. But it is effective to just drag them back and forth on the dirt as well. Yeah, I just I just do that little berry technique just for potency. That's the next level taxic right there. That's the stuff. Man, That's good. I like that. Yeah, um, I hate to do this, But back to the drag real quick. I had a question about because this is intriguing to me, man, but um, sure what what are like why doesn't a deer smell your boots? Man? You know, like why is that? It just has always felt counterintuitive to me to do use a drag because it's like, well, this deer is gonna be falling my my boot track the entire way in. I mean, what what happens there? Man? Well, I think the important thing is to keep your boots is sent free as you can, you know, keep them from getting contaminated. Don't pump gas and them don't don't even put them on in your truck because your floor mats got gas and lean on it. You know, if you if you get out and pump gas, I Beviously, when you get in the truck, your shoes are gonna have that sent in your formats. So any kind of contamination like that is important to consider, um. And also a big part of it for us is uh, I think that the potency of the smell has a big part in it. I think that that deer can smell the rubber in your souls, you know, when it's coming through the woods. But I think that it's such a weak smell that it's not of high concern. Yeah, you see what I mean. Even even boots that are kept in a set loot container or whatever and never contaminated, what is that BOOTMATEO. Chances are it's something that deer aren't used to smelling. As far as the dyes that are in that, like, I think they can break down sent on that kind of level. But I think that they also can gauge a danger level of sorts based on how strong that smell is and how long it's been since it came through, you know. I think those are things that are do his brain processes just instinctually. So it's more of a keep your boots scent weak than it is this strong yarine smell that like is intriguing to the deer. Is that kind of what you're saying. I think it's a combination. You want to keep those boots clean, but and also, like in the drug situation, you're using that poldent urine obviously not as a cover in that situation, but it's affected that way, right, Okay, yeah, makes sense. Um, I kind of want to switch switch gears here real quick, um and talk about something that's not super fun, but uh, CWDS an issue for people, and how do you like, how are you guys circumventing that as an issue in in the you know, real scent game. Well, our main concern you know, like like I was telling you guys before, we have day jobs. This is a small family business. You know, when you order a package of wildcaret before that thing is taken to the post office, there's one of three airs of hands put that thing together, and it's either me, my bed, or my mom. So you know, we're we're small time. Um, we're not looking to get rich in the hunting industry. That's not how we came to be. And I know everybody says that, but it's really the truth. We enjoy hunting and the industry just you know, it's a fun thing to be a part of. And we came out we started developing that packaging system for our personal use and and thought it might be something that would work at market. So that's how we came to be. But uh, the c w D concern. Um, it's real. It's obviously affecting litigation nationwide in different states. You find that there are urine bands um uh. And exactly how involved durine is in the process of spreading c w D nobody really knows. I have my own personal opinions obviously, um. But just as far as staying ahead of that curve and combating that. You know, our urns are all a t A certify our our animals at the at the farm that we get our urine from, our healthy they're certified c w D free on a regular basis UM and make sure that there's nothing but quality, healthy urine going into those packages to stop any sort of spread on our end. So that's a big thing for us. So what does the certification, What does that mean to to Layman? Well, that's that's just going to the herd. They go through the herd. Um. We have a veterinary uh set up. They come in and check everybody, all the deer, make sure everybody's healthy, disease free, and that has to be done so often throughout the year to meet a T A S criteria. UH. And we're also part of their deer protection program, you know. UH. If if c w D wipes out all the deer, that sucks for all of us. Yeah, that's not that's not good for us. So we want to make sure that doesn't happen. Just as much as anybody else. Without hunting we have, we lose our favorite pastime and our business, you know, So so investing in making sure that that's around for generations to come is more important us and making sure that we can make a little extra money. Yeah, yeah, for sure. And for those states that do have the urine ban and stuff, y'all, y'all do make a synthetic as well, right, Yeah, yes, sir, we do actually. And Tenna, Tennessee, just you know, our home state just passed a preliminary sort of ban. This is a trial year, I think on on a natural yearine ban. So it's happening. It's happening around um, you know, like Michigan. I know you have to have CWD certified or I mean a t A certified products there. Um. So it's different states are taking different approaches, and I think everybody's just scrambling to make sure we don't lose what we love. You know. It's like when when when something that you have a deep connection with is threatened. Sometimes you'll just do anything you can think of and make sure nothing happens to it, you know, yeah, for sure, And I think I think that's the stance that a lot of folks are taken. So we're just doing everything we can to make sure our products are high quality and waiting out the science, waiting it out to see, uh, you know what we can actually confirm. There's a lot of unknowns out there at this point. Um as far as it affecting sales, we haven't really noticed any decrease. I mean, we can't in Tennessee. You can't use natural yearine and you can't bait. And if I go down to Walmart, I can't walk through the supporting gave the department without tripping over tinks and corn. So you know they're still they're still selling, you know. It's it's uh, I don't honestly, I think it's kind of like the mentality where a lot of these guys don't like somebody telling them what they can't do, so they're more likely to go out and get it if you tell them they can't have it. Yeah, that's a good old Southern thing to do. Man, This is you know, it's right, Yeah, I that guy, you know, but now everyone listening, please, you know, by your states laws and regulations. But no, that'solutely that's uh, that's interesting man. And I was, you know, looking at these packages and stuff when you when you sent them to this other day, and uh I saw that A T A certification. I was like, I wonder if that's what that is. And it's cool to hear that clarification. And it gives me some peace of mind because Tyler and I both have some pretty heavy c tb D concerns and you know, we're I guess in the believers classification or whatever, you know, like, uh, it's a it's a real thing, man, and it's scary. It's for sure a real thing. And I'm not arguing that at all, but I think there are a lot of unknowns as far as transmission. Yeah, you know, it's hard to tell how many deer c w D actually kills when you have to kill them to test them. Yes, exactly. It's it's it's a strange situation that we have. Yeah, yeah, life was better before, you know, it's weird. Yeah, that's that's the thing. It's is life was better before we knew about it, but it was still there, you know, before I knew Before I knew about it, at least, you know, it goes back to the seventies. I never heard anything about cw It goes back to the seventies at least any thanks to the sixties in Colorado is when they discovered it, I believe. So it's it's a long yeah, it's a long ways back there, man. Yeah, I'm growing up hunting. You know, everybody I knew hunted and you never heard about c w D. My grandpa and my dad had every hunting magazine you can imagine. I never saw an article about it. Yeah, it's just it was a non issue back then. But it's different now. But I think it's just, um, with the spread of information we have, everybody wants to be careful not to ruin something great. Yeah, which is a good thing, man, And it's good. I'm so glad that y'all take the extra precautions that you do. And it gives me just a bunch of extra confidence because we talked I don't know if we talked about this on air, but uh, last year, we we had said we we don't really want anything, but synthetic stuff, and uh, you know, and after kind of talking with you now, like I'm kind of full borling, you know, use it all because it sounds like you'll are doing everything you can to make sure you've got a good and safe product for people to use, because we all care about deer for the future. So it's awesome. What's the what's the How effective is the synthetic is compared to the normal stuff that there are the real stuff. I guess it's very effective, you know. It's it's a it's an all natural product. It's not it's a synthetic deer urn, but it's not a synthesized synthesized liquid, you know, So it's Um. I can't divulge too much info because it's proprietary as far as how we make it. But it's very effective. Man. We've got uh great footage of deer coming in and sniffing all over it, you know, not spooking on it. Um, it's a good cover. Uh, it's it's it's as good as you can get without being actual deer here. Yeah, that's cool man. I Uh, we used it last year for sure, and it definitely smells to me no different. So whatever that's worth that there's that you said several times and I can't even smell that good, so whatever, But uh, you said several times that we have videos of deer using this or doing this? Is that on a YouTube channel? How do how do people connect with you? And how do people find that kind of stuff? Our Facebook and Instagram are the best methods for seeing that type of thing. We've got a little bit on our website, um as well. Our website is Wildcare at sense dot com, Facebook and Instagram or Wildcare at dear Attracting And I suggested checking us out on there because we we uh try to be involved in the community as much as possible by our social media. Um. You know, we're, like I said, we're a small business, just family. So it's fun to be the one seeing those messages and responding to people and being involved, you know, hands on. Um. But yeah, that's how you can find us. And we've got a lot of great folks across the country and in states all over that are using our products and sending us pictures and videos and it's it's just a lot of fun. Man. Yeah, that's awesome. How do people actually get ahold of some wild Carrot. Are y'all a directed consumer? Can they find retailers or how's it work? We are direct from our website. We're also on Amazon um and we are distributed by Kinzie's, which supplies most of your archery shops. Okay, so that's one of the things we kind of pride ourselves on right now. You know, we're not a box store company, so we're an artist in dearer and I like it. Yeah, it's products like ours that are different that you know. We we think, we like to think that we're helping drive traffic to your mom and pop archery shops. That's cool. It's something you can't go to Cabela's and buy, you can't go to Walmart and buy. You're gonna go seek out your pro shop and while you're there you might learn something, you know, Yeah for sure. Yeah, especially me, Josh, thanks so much for spending time with this man. We appreciate, uh the knowledge and clarification of all the different things that have to do with dear sense and attractives man, and and uh, I can guarantee you these are things that I will use this year. I mean, this is this is a no smoke kind of deal. Man, I I learned a lot in this episode, so I appreciate you taking the time to do that with this. Man. I appreciate you guys having me on. It was good talking to you guys. It's not every day, uh you know when you get to chat with some hillbillies from Chex. There you go, there you go. I love it, Dad, Thank you for calling us out. All right, hey, there you go, here you go. Well, yeah, I'm sure there's banjo music playing somewhere near yere. Right. Well cool man, Well, good luck this year, and uh, well we'll be we'll be seeing you soon. Man, I'm sure that sounds good. I appreciate you guys. All right, thanks, Well that did instinct near as bad as I thought. It was just kidding pun intended there, But dude, h Josh actually knows quite a bit about scent and about like how to use it. And man, I'm like, I'm hot about using a drag rag right now. So you know, like it's gonna happen quite a bit this year, and I'm going to kill a giant bugs. And that's what you get with like, uh, with this whole like director consumer market that's starting to happen in our culture is like you're getting some guys that are creating products that are very experienced and know what they're They know what they're doing, they know what they're talking about. And it's not just some uh you know brand from uh you know, some big city in the in the Midwest that owns a bunch of hunting brands and they're just all about profits. Yeah, just have a fast talking dude. He's like, you know, like it's like a legit dude in the know who's done the research and hunts in a real part of the country and it's seen it works. So it's cool, man. I'm I'm looking forward to. Uh. I'm actually gonna go put one of these out today on my property. Yeah, I put one on my property yesterday and as soon as I've got him in the mail, so we had some and put them out or put one out. And I'm kind of like in this place where I've got a bunch of hogs rage in my feeder right now. And I saw though come in uh yesterday morning on camera, and I just need a buck to come into our area on one of these cold fronts that's about to happen and smell that um that little rag, you know, and think, oh well, maybe I should hang around here a little closer, and you know, if I can just get him to come out in daytime. Man, that's all all I'm trying to do. That's all we're trying to do, is just kill a buck. You know, that's right right? Well tomorrow, um, Friday, I guess what's Friday the eleven, Uh, something like that. The nation is going to experience a giant cold front. So wherever you're at, I hope that the bucks get on their feet early and often and you get to put an arrow through the big buck you've been chasing all season. It's gonna be a great day for it. Guys, get out, be smart with your hunts and uh man, it's it's like it's getting time right now. I'm if you're the jealous kind, don't be getting on social media. The next few days gonna be some dead bugs. Oh yeah, you know, I mean it's for sure. That's a good point to man, honestly, like, um, don't feel like everyone but you is killing a deer because guess what, we're probably not killing deer either. So yeah, I'm a social media is just uh, it's just what rises to the you know, the bubbles are gonna come to the top, and uh that's that's what you get to see, right, But there's a whole bunch of people out there grinding it out, and uh, that's that's what makes it fun. Man. Is Um, if you went out and it was easy every time, he probably lose interest. And there's a reason that some people come and go in the hunting world, you know, and uh usually that's probably because they picked up a trad bow and they get real tired of real quick just getting Josh. You don't hope he has a good time this year with that, because that's a cool story. Yeah, I know, it is. It is, man, And you know, what's what's interesting to think about in regards to the social thing is like, I know there's a kid that goes to my church and you know, but he he was like, uh, I saw he posted something about you know, X amount of days till a rifle season. He's not a bow hunter. He loves the deer hunt and his season hadn't even started yet, So I mean he's one of a normal type of people. There's a lot of them out there that haven't killed a deer yet so far, including me and I've I hunted two months ago nearly, you know, come up. By the time he hunts, I will have hunted two months prior, and I might not have killed a deer still by the time he gets a rifle in his hand and starts going. So you're you're not in the minority. There are millions out there that have not killed deer yet. So, uh, it's cool to think about. It's exciting to to get prepared. This is the best time of year, honestly, like October, knowing that November is so close is even better than just being in November. Sometimes, you know, it's like the anticipation is that's what he used to love about duck hunting man, is Uh. I'd go out and scout, you know, not before and find ducks that were loafing somewhere, you know, and and then when you find them and you get you're like, there's three hundred, you know, in there, a bunch of mallards. You're like, it's gonna be a good morning. And like I almost didn't want it to come morning because I didn't you know, I didn't want to be over you know. I love the anticipation. So that's where we're at right now, and I'm sure you guys are anticipating the end of this podcast and for me to stop talking. So with that said, go buy a T shirt if you're a public Land hunter especially. We've got brand new Blaze orange T shirts at the website, the Halloween shirt, super orange. Lady we just saw walk across the parking lot I had on a super orange shirt. I'm sure she's gonna purchase one, So you get there quick before she gets to them. So festive, but they're cool, man, you know, for the public land guy or if you just want to be safe in the woods or just super fashionable. Yeah, they are. Well, the Neon thing is kind of inn at least where were we live, and you know, I mean I feel like it is. Um yeah, there's uh more ELK videos dropping, uh you know, pretty much day to day. I've got most of it edited up. I think part four is gonna have there's a good chance there's over a hundred fifty bugles and the saying I've already tallied up a hundred seventy two. Who knows what we'll get cut and what we'll stay, but uh, that's just one day, guys. So it's it's a pretty incredible video. It's a little bit long, so make sure, uh you don't turn it on until it's about, you know, nine o'clock and you're starting to get ready for bed. But anyway, Yeah, that's kind of stuff we've got going on. I appreciate the support. Like Casey said in the beginning of this podcast, you guys listening, downloading and all that, it means a lot to us. Uh if you support us, support the brands that we work with and that we believe in, uh, including Josh. We've got the link down in the show notes. Uh go check out what he's got going on if you want to try drag rag or something like that. And I'm sure I will be too, So guys, get ready, get after it. Remember this is your element living in

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