00:00:00 Speaker 1: You're listening to another Big Bug breakdown from the Element podcast. What's happening Alma Woods people? Goodness, it feels good today. Man, this is like paradise, this is here. This is going away soon. I don't know if you saw that. Yeah, it's not gonna be near as bad as it ever was. But it was supposed to be ninety two on Thursday, and then what's supposed to be Friday, Well, very good, very good and rainy. But yeah, it's it's going away here in about a day or so, and that's unfortunate. But I think it's, uh, it's starting to like you said, it's gonna it's gonna, you know, down into the right kind of like. So hopefully we can get out and kill something soon in this good weather, because if not, then I don't know what we've been waiting on, you know what I mean, Like, what is what is the early season supposed to be? Ets? We went out and gave it a really good shot yesterday, but when you when you break it down, it's still October seven, even though it felt like a really really good October seven, and it wasn't a terrible hunting day, No, it wasn't. No, I mean, yeah, you're right, like like I think that, uh, I don't know. I had some remorse or whatever you might call it, um regret that I didn't go hunting this morning. I woke up. It felt really good. It was like my kids are like, it's cold outside, Like we turned the heat on jackets. Yeah, like I didn't. I didn't. You know, I turned my a c off. It ran. It either runs or doesn't. You know, you have to have an on or off pretty much, um, and so it was running all night. I got off. I was like, man, it's pretty cold. So I turned it off. And I have not turned anything on since, you know, so, and we're sitting here at uh one o'clock or whatever it is. So it feels good outside. It felt good this morning, and I started to regret pretty immediately that we didn't go back at it, which we had planned on doing this morning. But you know, traveling around to different parcels of public here in our state at least um is you know, it's not friendly to your gas budget and time and everything like that. And so when we were looking at we're like, man, we kind of both have to be back this afternoon. We can't hunt, and so a morning hunt, you know, to go out and and take a chance on like you said, October eight. You know, it's it's still October eight, you know. I mean, there's there's things happening. It's cooled off. I know a lot of people are seeing a lot of deer moving with this cold front. But um, but in the end, like would we be better sitting a cold front now or saving that gas money and you know, brownie points or whatever and going out on October twenty three or whatever, you know instead? So well, the thing is, man, that's something that I've been kind of thinking about, is there's a sliding scale as you go down southward from the northern border of the United States of like, say, what's October The first week October year is actually the last week of September in Missouri, and then north of that it's the midweek and you know what, you know what I'm saying there, So like and I guess the way the deer acting, yeah, yeah, yeah, Like so October seven for us, it's probably a lot more like what, uh, I don't know, October or something is like for someone say in Minnesota, which is where our guests for today, Tony Peters the big buck killer himself. Um, Tony's killed a giant buck in Minnesota. We're gonna talk to him about that here a little bit. But I think that we kind of, uh, if you start looking at that, like, man, yesterday, the October seven cold front, it's probably a lot like a mid September cold front for a lot of the Midwest and stuff, you know. So it's just a really really weird time to try to go and kill a deer in a cold front, because I mean really, in most years we could probably be hunting like a water pattern or something. You know, it's really hot, which it was two days before, and I'm not downing the cold front, but as we go into October further, their value is going to increase drastically. Oh yeah, man, I mean I've seen it the last few years hunting our buddy Cody's property. Uh, you know, I permission to shoot those only a note no bucks. But when I see little bucks come out and that kind of thing when I'm hunting over there. I think it was like the twenty second of October or something like that, maybe a couple or maybe the twentieth A couple of years ago before I shot my dough. I had seen some bucks come out and they started scraping and kind of like it looked like they want to fire. I think they might have even put their horns together, but not too amped up, but like enough that you're like, yeah, man, this is they're they're starting to kind of act like it a little bit. And we actually saw a little bit of that happened yesterday. We had a good morning hunt. We saw nine deer on public land, which is outstanding for us here in Texas, and then more at one point in time, Tylers, there's deer everywhere they were. It was like people would laugh at that. It's including my buddy Anthony, who was on the podcast a few weeks ago, texted us he went out yesterday afternoon and was like, oh yeah, I saw thirty does and three um three bucks, you know, and and this is on public as well as in a different state, and it's like, well, you know, be glad you don't hunt East Texas because it is a different story here. Nine is good for us, man. It's like it's like it's as good as of a hunt as we've ever had, probably as far as numbers go. And then we went out and had a lot more typical hunt that afternoon. But you were saying that you thought we observed like some buck action in that hunt, right, a little bit of a little, little, pretty good bit of fighting between a couple of bucks ten minutes worth it. And it wasn't like they were trying to gore each other in the guts with handlers or anything that they were. Well, it was funny because they were both like little sparky kind of guys. One of them was probably fifteen pounds bigger, maybe more than the other one, which you and I kind of discussed why is that. It's kind of strange. But anyways, they fought for quite a while, but it was it sounded like deer fighting when you knew what it was, But when you didn't know what it was, it was think, think, think, yeah, not enough time to make the right noise. Remember, I looked at you, was like, what's something out there rubbing on the tree. Before we knew what was going on, we did. We didn't know what was going on at first, but we saw all those deer from that place and kind of reassessed um our stand locations. We feel really good about that spot now because we think that the major deer movement is going to be come right in front of this one tree that we kind of went in hunk stands into make sure it was gonna be okay. And then uh we hung a trail camera in there as well, which it's a place that we had a camera last year that treated us was really well. And we took the the Exodus trick that no one uh one because we didn't get enough reviews. And we hung it down down there, and uh, we wanted to use that camera because it takes really good photos, really good trigger speed, and we hung it in like probably the best funnel I know of an these Texas. Yeah, yeah, it was. It's in a good spot man, And we we were we had a camera there last year. Um and some of the frustrations we had with that camera are slow to trigger speed, narrow field of view, and it got foggy a lot, which I don't know what causes that, but it just seems like a cheap camera gets foggier than fogging more often, you know. And Uh, anyway, we had it down there all year. It's it's real far back in there, so it's not fun to go get Uh it did us? Did us? Well? I mean, we we got kind of quite a bit of info that we could use. But we're excited to have a little bit better traill camera down there this year. And um, you know, thinking about it, like the reason, um, the reason we were down there um hunting yesterday and saw what we saw is is basically because of that camera last year, you know what I mean, Like we wouldn't maybe have hunted back down there yesterday if we didn't have all that good nation from down there last year. And also know that it's a funnel, um, but all we had a trail camera you know, up in a different area maybe through yards from us there. Um that showed like nothing. We pulled it yesterday and it showed like no, um, no pictures of bucks. I don't think we're there and so um, So I guess the thought here is that if you're gonna hang trail camera, it doesn't mean don't hunt if you're not seeing anything, because I mean they're they're a great tool. And like I said, we wouldn't have hunted and seen nine deer yesterday in that spot if we hadn't had the tool of a trail camera hanging down there. But you know, everything has to be taken with a grain of salt. I think if we would have went in and pulled that card first, we would have been like, oh, I don't know if we want to hunt here. But we went down and had a pretty good hunt, you know, more dear than we normally ever see it once bought in Texas. So if you take that and juxtapose it to our evening hunt, it's kind of the opposite. Like we had. It's the best preseason card pool we had on Texas Public was from this place. We hung our stands twenty yards from the camera in that, and we knew there were two sure books one really good buck in there, and we did not see an animal bigger than a bird of prey the whole time we were in there. At least it was pretty funny. So I was looking at Tyler uh, and he was looking at me. We were probably laughing about something, and we just yeah, we had just heard a noise and thought like, oh man, that's a deer coming out. And then this this hawk I see like kind of swoops in and I think he's coming to land on our cameras. All I could figure and it's between Tyler not and I know that my eyes got huge, and instantaneously a hawk goes by Tyler's head. When I say two feet, that's not exaggerating. Yeah, it's like the very like conservative figure. It's not like it's so close now, like it literally used two feet. That's the closest the hawks ever been to any any big bird, you know, Like I've had some little birds get close for men. It's crazy. It's pretty nuts. Yeah. I had no time to react, Like I barely even could register in my mind that your eyes were getting big, you know, And of course I'm thinking like a deer was walking out, you know, but it just whipped by me. So it was not not that cool. It was cool, but it wasn't as cool as a deer walking. Yeah, that's true. We would have used we could have used it. That was a tough night, man. It was you were about to shoot anything, man, That's yeah, what makes it tough? You know? Yeah, at that place, I was. I mean it's a place that we know gets a lot of pressure later in the season, so we're like, okay, um, I don't really mind shooting a dough or a little or sparky over here or something you know, to eat because uh, you know, come middle of November, this place is gonna get raged individuals. I think it's already getting a touch rage. It might be. I think it might be our big book might might have gotten raged literally in the cave. But uh, we didn't seem and it looked like there's been another hunter in there recently, So I don't know that's Texas public for you. Man. It's not a lot of deer habitat and a lot of hunters. Yep, it is man um Anyway, I guess is there anything else we need to talk about before we get Tony online? Ah, there's just uh, y'all go check out the continuation of the HeLa Hunt on YouTube. But video two is posted in Video three is upcoming soon hopefully, Tony, Man, it's gonna be. It's really cool. There's not giant elk in video two. We're gonna go ahead and give the spoiler, but we chase them and uh, there's a lot of fun stuff and it's is big, big quoise. Everybody wants to call him something different, so we're gonna make up our own name for him. But anyways, go check that out. Get ready for Tony Peterson, because man, is there a cooler cucumber than Tony Peter. Dude, he's just got like I don't know, I don't want to I don't want to sound like man crushing or nothing, you know. But he's cool, dude, He's he's actually become I feel like a pretty good friend, um, a guy that I can rely on to help me out when I need some information or a new spin on something when I'm looking at public and that kind of thing. Because he's a uh, even though we're talking about a deer he killed on private, he hunts a lot of public land. And that's cool, but so is killing a big deer in private, you know what I mean. Like I'm wishing right now that I could have had a private piece around here to hunt where I didn't have to get up at three thirty or four, you know. And and his private land experience is a little bit different than the solo permission thing. It's a lot more public, like, yeah, exactly. He comes from a part of the country where, like you know, door knolkins a thing and a lot of people get so it's pretty high stakes out there to you. But we'll let him tell the rest, all right. Well, let's get him on all right, now on the phone, we have Tony Peterson. He runs the Hunt for Real podcast, which is for real hunting, right Tony, as real as we can get it, buddy, that's right. And that's what we've been talking about af fair a little bit. Is how real everything is man sometimes and how not real sometimes it is. And I'm glad to have a buddy in you man that uh we can chat about the things that matter and the things that don't and be on the same page with That's awesome, man. I appreciate it, man, sure thing. Yeah. So I was saying earlier that your podcast is one the only ones I listened to in the hunting spectrum right now. It's a good podcast. So if you're listening, go check it out. We'll link to it in the show notes. But Tony, you had some success this year already, quite a bit. And um, so we've picked one and it is uh. I guess it's a kind of a hometown buck that you have had luck with, Is that right? Um? You know it used to be my hometown for sure. You know. I I got really lucky when I was fifteen. I got permission to bow hunt a dairy farm in southeastern Minnesota. And every year I call up the farmer in March, and every year he gives me the thumbs up. And so that's the one, the one place in my home state that I can go scout all year round and shed hunt and hang stands and trim some shooting lanes and run cameras and do like the you know, it's so different than the show up at public land and turn and burn and hanging hunt, and so it's really like my guilty pleasure spot. I just love it so much because I can do all the year round white tail work. Yeah, that's ah. It's it's interesting when you when you start to hunt a lot of public then you kind of it almost makes you appreciate those private spots that you have more just because it's a whole different You approach it differently a lot of times, and you you can be more conservative and um, and you have more history with those deer and you and you learn more about them and just all these different things. I know that personally, when I hunt private, a lot of times I see more deer, So I learned more in a hunt even when I'm just you know, in the single hunt. So it's pretty cool, man. That's a the I saw the pictures of the buck. I don't know the story. You killed a velvet buck earlier this year in Nebraska that was also a toad, and um, I got to talk to you about that because we were in Nebraska kind of at the same time, I guess, and I was struggling and you weren't. So get in touch with the here and see see how I was supposed to kill a deer and uh so I know that story, but tell us tell us a rundown on this Minnesota. But yeah, man, so I knew. You know, I had done several days of glass thing and and he had been running cameras. And my my buddy Eric, I hunt with a lot, the guy who killed that the big one with me in Nebraska this year. He and I worked together on this farm a lot. He's got permission to hunt there too, and so we had spent we had put some time in. Um you know, we we went shed hunt in the spring and I had found had a good day and I found a shed from a buck that he's been out there quite a few years. And this was the year where I'm like this, this buck is gonna be probably a legitimate, typical booner, and I you know, I've had maybe two or three chances in my life where I thought I could hunt a deer that caliber, and so we we mostly set up stands for that buck. He you know, he moved into this valley and it was kind of like, we're gonna we're gonna pin every corner of that valley and you know, try to try to get on that deer. But knowing that there's other parts of the farm where sometimes you can just pick up a gimme on a field edge opening weekend where you'll you'll get a big one who hasn't been harassed yet. And so we hung one stand over an alfalfa field that's kind of tucked in and it's you know, it's not as good as beans usually, But the way things were setting up as it started to get closer to the season, I'm like, well, the beans are gonna probably be yellow, there's gonna be people sitting on and and by the way, none of the beans were on on the farm I could hunt. So I'm playing deer going to it, coming back. So my next best bet was to sit on alfalfa. Let me put it that way. And if you know that Alfalfa was by a good betting area, and it had some really nice white oaks, and it was just one of those places that offered the deer a lot. And so, you know, opening morning comes and I sneak into this spot that a kind of a staging area for the morning. Takes a long time to get in there, and I knew, I knew I probably wouldn't run into the big one in there. But there was another buck on the farm that's gotta He's got three antlers, and he's really cool. His third antler is a lot bigger than they usual. Usually it's like a little dagger or something if you even see it. And this one came out and forked, and I thought maybe that buck would be in there. So I slipped in way early, and it was hot, you know, it was probably upper sixties at least going out in the morning. And at seven thirty her voices in the woods, and I'm like, this is so weird. It was pretty calm. I'm like, why can't I hear people talking? And then the chainsaw fires up hundred fifty yards away and so I'm like, well, there between me and where I expected deer to come from. So I'm like this, this one's kind of blown. And so I got out. I'm like, all right, well, I'll make a plan for tonight to slip in on this. It was gonna be hot, it was gonna be eighty degrees, and I had a little pond that booner was hitting once in a while. I'm like, that's you know, Opening night, it's gonna be hot. He's gonna hit that. And so I get out of the woods, go meet up with with Eric, and he said, he tells me he's surfing Facebook and he sees this guy that we I don't know, Americ knows him, and he said, yeah, I don't know if you're gonna want to hunt that end of the woods because they were in their squirrel hunting this morning and they posted pictures of it. Eric knew where it was, and I okay, So now one end of where this booner lives, they're cutting wood and they were cutting wood in there all day, and then the other end there's a dude with this kid and their squirrel hunting, and I'm like, this is probably and this is private, you know, but there's there's a lot of people that have permission to be in there. And so I'm like, okay, now it's now it's backup time. And the other two parts of the farm, I'm like, well, I'll probably just go to the field edge because I knew there were a lot of really quality books in both spots. So I leave way early because we have we have a rule on that farm with the other hunters. If you know, if you're parked in one spot, then people will leave you alone and go hunt somewhere else. So I'm like, I gotta get in there. And I drive out to where I was thinking about going, and there's already a bow hunter going in, so I talked to him and he goes he goes up in hunts and I'm like, well, I got one spot left and it's at Alfalfa stand and the wind was right because the south wind blowing, and I knew, even though I didn't know who had probably moved into that betting area, I knew one of the big bucks in the in the area would probably claim that spot. And so like this is it's kind of like my only option. But it wasn't like a bad option, it just wasn't my first choice, and so I would got in there, got set up wins good turkey speed through. They don't see me. I have I have good cover. See you, Dona, a little spotted font come, I'll probably the smallest fawn I've ever seen during hunting season. They feed off. I see a buck come out finally, and he's a nice one. He's like a real solid three and a half ago buck. But he's probably twenty five yards away, and I'm like, do I wanna want to shoot that buck? When I know I've got a lot of bigger deer around And you know, unfortunately for me, he didn't. He didn't come in, so I didn't I didn't have to make the actual call. But as as I'm watching this buck, he's like staring in my direction and I'm like, he can't see me, Why why is he keep looking over here? And at one point I hear something walking. I look and this dough comes through eighteen yards away, perfect trail, you know, spills out into the alf alfa, wide open shot, and I'm like, oh, man, if a big one does that, he's in trouble. And so she gets into the field, sees these other deer at the other end. Trot's over there and they're all just feeding them, like oh, this is you know, this is like an hour before dark. I mean it's it's good. And so I'm sitting there and I hear this side by side that this this farm is split by a minimum maintenance road and so nobody, nobody lives on it, but people drive it all the time. And so I hear this side by side. I assume that's what it was. I couldn't see it. It It was a four wheeler side by side, just creeping up the road, and I'm like, God, dagn I hope they don't pull down in here because I'm, you know, maybe five yards off of it and the hill, so I can't see it, but I can hear it. And as soon as that side by side slowed down, every dear in that field picked their head up and took off, just blew out of there. And I'm like, man, what is going on. It's opening night. They shouldn't be this kg. So this is like a half hour before dark, and I have no deer in the field, nothing, nothing going on. And I'm like, I have had people around me the entire time I've hunted today. And so I'm sitting there here, here's something behind me. Look, a couple of raccoons work through under me and then they go back off and I heard it. I heard something like, man, I don't think that was a raccoon. And I looked back and under this oak tree, I heard a stick snap and I saw this flash of white and I'm like, man, that looks like a rack. And eighteen yards away on that that same trail that dotuk here comes this eight pointer that I had. I hadn't seen him in person, but I've h I found his antler two years ago and I had had a few pictures of him, and I knew this was a really good eight pointer. As soon as he started walking out, I'm like, oh, man, I'm opening night or not. I'm shooting that buck. And he billed into the alfalfa at eighteen yards and I drew when he walked out, put my pin behind his shoulder, and I mean, this is a chip shot. There's nothing between me and him but air an opportunity, you know, And I put my pin on there and I'm just about to shoot in that buck just starts walking and in my brain I'm like, either move your pin or stop him, and instead I just shot, Like didn't I just it was like I was too committed, and that arrows zipped through him, and my first thought was, you shouldn't have done that. And he ran. He ran towards the edge of the field where those other deer had been standing, and stopped and hunched up, and so I glassed him, and I'm like, man, I could see the entrance when I'm like, that looks good, Like it looks like he should be tipping over. And he stood there for a few minutes like that, and then it looked like he almost started to do the wobble and caught himself and the edge of that field where the the timber was, and as soon as his head gotten that timber, he betted down. So his butt was actually sticking out towards the edge of the field. And I just waited until dark to slip out behind him. And the last time I glassed him, I was like, man, I think he I think he tipped over, but it was so dark I couldn't tell. And so got out, went and met up with Eric. We gave it two hours, came back in and checked my arrow was covered in blood, and walked over there and he was laying right there saying it was wild. Yeah, that's cool, man. Well, uh, that's it's a pretty awesome book. I actually didn't look at it until we got back from our trip, so I didn't really know how big it was. And it's a when you say a big eight point for a lot of the country. It's a freaking toad like giant bladed you know, g two on the left side, like just a dream bug man. So typical, just like such a I bet you like what there's a half inch of deductions if you measure the thing, you know, if your score, guy, But like, it's just so typical and so beautiful and huge, congrats on it. Um. One of the things I guess that kind of like comes to mind is, uh, you know, you're kind of the public land guy, and it's the thing you do, and not that one is better than the other or anything, but I just kind of wonder, like, whenever you do approach this private land situation, um, like, does your mentality shift towards like really trying to kill a big buck and thinking about you know, comparing you know, make what he might score and or you know, age class and that sort of thing, or do you still kind of have that same mentality of I want to go shoot a good representative the species, and if one walks out, I'm taking in. Man. It all depends on how it goes, you know, this year I was more so well, I was prepared to be more selective this year because in Minnesota, our gun season opens pretty much the first Saturday in November, and so it might open on anywhere from like November three to November nine, and so you can't count on the rut here if you're a bowl hunter and that farm, that farm that I hunt, there's three groups of shotgun hunters that go through there, and there's like an average of fifteen guys in each group. So it's not you know, I don't gun hunted, and I don't you know, I'm not gonna go sit with a bow when the landowners, family and everybody's out there. So it's like you either get it done in September October or you you don't. But this year, our gun season is I think November nine, and so I had like eight days off before that. They were you know, marked off on the calendar. And so this year I was like, I want to kill a good one. I have the time, I have the stands. You know, there's there's plenty of them out there, and it just so happened that the first buck that gave me a shot was this eight pointer that was, you know, this really solid deer that I wouldn't have passed up any time. And so it was just, you know, it's just it's situational, you know, Yeah, yeah for sure, and I get that, and it's a it's cool and I definitely would not be passing that deer anywhere in the country either. So it's a it's a it's a toad man. I understand you're in like southern Minnesota. There is uh that's some of the stuff that you know, I know there's some controversial like CDBD regulations and stuff that moved in through southern Minnesota. Is that something that you kind of have to play in there as well as far as like when you're evaluating, you know what, you're going to take off that property big time. So I literally last night just checked my CWD results and he's negative, which makes me real happy. But that's that was the other thing about this year. I kind of wanted to go for broke this year because we we've had Antler point restrictions since two thousand and ten and it has it has changed. The hunting. I mean, I've hunted all the big buck states in southeastern Minnesota has turned into Iowa quality all day long. It's it's incredible. Well this year with everybody that it doesn't matter now it's gone. So this is this. There's no Antler Point restrictions this year in most of the most of the zones down there. There's a couple on like the fringe that are still and so you know, it remains to be seen how many pot to show up, what the DNR's responses, and whether we'll ever get that back. But it's this, you know, to me was an example. I grew up hunting there and I used to hunt. I used to spend a lot more time in that region, and it would take like an entire season to encounter a three year old. And now you know, with the Antler Point restrictions kicking in and the you know, the ground down there, it was like you never knew what was coming over the hill. It changed everything and it made it so much more fun. I saw so much more fighting and like actual dear activity. And now you know, we might slide back to the dark ages. I don't I don't know where we'll end up. Now you know, man, that sounds uh, I guess in one way exciting, in one way kind of depressing. How do you u? Uh? As far as like the the CWD test kit, what's uh how did you get ahold of one of those? Um? You know that. That's one thing I'll say about the Minnesota DNR. They set up this system where you can either drop your head off or if you're gonna mount it, you can keep it out and then you then they you can check out a little YouTube tutorial on how to take the lymph nodes out, and it's real simple. They made it really simple, other than they didn't have the drop off sites updated on their website on day one, and so I'm like, I can't take the any of the carcass out, uh, you know, the bones and the you know, nervous system and all that stuff. So it's like I had a call. I had a call around a little bit to figure that out because they have drop sites with dumpsters. But I think they got that squared away. But really, it wasn't It wasn't a horrible pain. I mean it was just you know, a few extra steps and a little trip down the road. But it wasn't that bad. Yeah, that's a weird thing. Um. You know, like I'm gonna be hunting two different CWD areas this year, I think, Um, well, actually three if you include Nebraska. I guess so, um and I didn't kill there, but it's something and I feel like, um, you know, if the state doesn't offer like a drop off side, you kind of have to be prepared for that. You have to order a kid and before you go and have it with you and and know what you're doing. Um. So that's one thing, Like that's a that's something that I have thought about in the last few years. Is like something that could be streamlined a little more effectively if you ask me, and is and a little more education could probably be I mean, like people are educated about CWD in general now and that it exists. But but how do we you know, how do we help the the d n R and all these different wildlife departments, you know, how do we help them get results and understand how where and how this disease is spreading? You know? So yeah, I mean my my wish on that was it would be that we would devote some money to coming up with a home a simple home test because if you once you pull those limph nodes at one time, it's a it's an easy thing to do, it's not difficult. And if they had something you could run at home and and figure out if that deer was positive, it would be it would at least give a lot of people peace of mind, and it would really provide, you know, an opportunity to map what's going on with us and that you know, I mean that's the thing about CTBD that a lot of people have their minds made up that it's either a nothing burger, it's the end of deer hunting, and we just don't know. And you know, there's a lot of people out there saying, well, this is you know, it's been around a millionaires and they're saying a lot of things that we just we honestly don't know what's going on yet. And so to to kind of like dig in and be like it doesn't matter, it's been here forever, Like I'm not comfortable with that. I just wish we had more tools that our own disposal to help deal with this and go, hey, is this really a nothing burger or should we be real concerned? You know, Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Man, well, congrats on your deer, Tony. It's a it's an awesome buck and um man, you've had a great season so far, so hopefully that I'll continue on for you. What's what's happening next for you? I guess I am washing the blood off my pack and I'm heading to North Dakota here in a couple of days. Man, that sounds exciting. Is that public land hunt? I guess yep, yeah, I got. I've got buck tags left in North Dakota and Nebraska and so or not Nebraska, Wisconsin, and I'll be uh, North Dakota is all public land, Wisconsin will be mostly public land. And then I'm gonna turn into a bird hunter. They see. And you like the bird stuff a lot, right, oh, man? I do. I just I was just chatting with a landowner here in the Twin Cities this morning and he said, you can go duck hunt my pond anytime you want, and it's like three minutes from my house, and I'm like, man, it almost made me want to cancel my North Dakota trip because I drive by this stupid thing all the time and there are ducks using it. But I'm not. I'm gonna go try to fill that North Dakota teg THENNNA come back and take out the dog and go see if I can shoot some green heads and some woodies. Yeah, that's awesome, man, that I'm I'm kind of similar in that in that stand. Uh, Casey's not so much. But I love I love bird hunting. Man. I grew up just shooting a shotgun every day. It seemed like, you know, and it was just something something that I love doing. I love wing shooting, I love I'm intrigued by the migrations a lot. It's just such a cool concept to me. Um, such an amazing thing that happens. So I'm with you on that. Maybe we can, uh, maybe we can go hunt bird sometime together, definitely, Buddy well cool man. Well, what's the best place for people to listen to the podcasts and get in touch with you? Um? You know they can. I host two podcasts, Hunt for Real and Sporting Dog Talk, and there, you know, iTunes and everywhere else you can find podcasts. You know, We've got the social media thing going for both of um, YouTube channels, the whole thing so not too hard to find. And we're just just just grinding away and getting good episodes out right now, Yeah, well you're doing a good job. Man. I appreciate the content you put out. Uh, it's how full and it's relatable. I like it a lot. Man, Thank you all right, Tony, Well, congrats and and good luck the rest of the your man. All right, thanks guys. Man, I know this isn't up your alley, but Tony's got with juice stuff about the bird hunting thing man with the world. Well, I wouldn't say it's not up my alley. I think that maybe waterfowl isn't my bigger thing, but I would if I could go and slay what's the limit too? Pheasants more of a quail hunter, I would love to do smuggling hunting Man's it's freaking cool. It's also weird, how like only rich guys do that. It seems like like, I mean, I've done it before, you know, but like I don't know if I've ever hunted behind dogs. I think maybe only rich guys travel and do it, like I think there's a lot of of Midwesterners, But I would say I will say this, there's no way that Tony is an outdoor rider and is rich. So somehow he's found a way to break the system, you know what I mean, that's true, that's true, man. Uh, but I think there's a lot of like hometowners on that kind of thing. You know what. Something's really intrigued me lately is the like the the grouse hunting or whatever they are, uh, kind of more in that Midwest, like eastern side of the Midwest stuff like like Ohio. Yeah, we know people like in Minnesota, in like Wisconsin that are shooting some type of upland bird. I think it's a grouse. I don't really know. It's like, that's kind of cool. I don't think of it. You think of as a rocky mountain thinking like blue grouse. I don't really think of them existing or prey chickens or whatever they are. I don't think of them existing like in the eastern woodland kind of stuff. Yeah, it's kind of cool, dude, upland hunting. I just love wing shooting, man, I just love like it's just such an exciting thing and like such a challenge sometimes man, when like birds are just so unpredictable, you know what I mean, Like they just can go anywhere and you make you look like a fool. And then some days you just can't miss, you know, I guess you know, I don't know. I'm speaking for myself here, but some people probably can't miss all the time. But you know, I have days where I shoot really well and some days like there will be a couple of birds where I'm like, man, I'm just gonna make a bunch of excuses for this right now. Yeah, should have bought those seven a half. You know. I want that winch yesterday. One thing I think. Um anyway, so Tony's deer is an awesome buck. We're gonna be posting some pictures of it on social um here pretty soon. Um, so you guys can take a look at it if you haven't seen it on his channels or anything. But anyway, Tony's just a great talk man. I appreciate him coming on the podcast. I also would like to thank Exodus Trail Cameras for allowing us to bring this to you guys again this year. Um. Those guys have been really tight with us throughout the last couple of years, So go support them if you support us. And uh, what else, Casey, we've got some We've got more videos from the l Hunt releasing and we've got some Texas hunts coming up pretty quick to then it'll be coming out killed a big old pig. Probably put that up on the on the YouTube channels. Will be sure and go subscribe to the YouTube channel. If you have not, don't just go watch it. Subscribe and as helps guys and get the notification bail if it's weird. You can be a subscriber to our channel. And this blows my mind because I've done this on other channels. I subscribe the channels that I like to and when I do that, I like, it's like I don't see their videos for like three months. I'm like, what in the world I thought I subscribed to this channel? And then I see when come in you know suggested, and I'm like, why haven't I been seeing these? And the issue is you can't just like a subscriber is literally almost just a number. But like the when you hit the bell for notification, you actually get like emails sent to you and stuff that says, hey, so and So's uploaded another video. So if you if you want to you know, stay in the loop or whatever, make sure you hit the bell um. In those videos you will see Tyler and adorning. It's at the right word adorning and adoring, adoring, very adoring. We're very adorable in our new colors color for an Anilement Element T shirts. Yeah. I like her old alive shirts. Yeah, me too. They're comfortable. These new orange shirts are freaking cool a lot. We both the word comfortable. Yeah, that's the thing is there, Like they're touch thicker, not much like it's a good field though, Like it's a good feeling T shirt bright. I think blaze orange is the word we're looking for here, so that you can wear it if you're upland hunting. So we're talking about what I go or if you are on some public in Texas or otherwise, if you're in a you know, like you gotta wear orange and gun state or whatever. You can rock these shirts and be legal and be cool like we were es today. And I may be different than other guys, but I think I am um I if I'm out scouting, I mean I can literally be if I'm walking scouting in January and it's thirty degrees, like a T shirt is okay for me. Yeah, so as long as not windy. Yeah yeah, but I mean, like know, if I'm if I'm walking and I'm not like stopping too much. I mean, I'm gonna I get hot, like I like walking in the woods when it's pretty cold, the texting cold at least. And so you know, to me, like putting a Blaze T shirt on, it's the perfect solution, you know. I bought the construction workers shirt before and warn the you know, construction Blaze or whatever in the in the woods, and and it's worked, you know. But you get a chance to support us by buying this shirt, I guess, and helping us to just kind of keep this thing as ad free as possible. That this is at our website right now, and that website's uh the Element wild dot com. So um, you can go there and hit the shop tab at the at the top and that is uh, that will lead you. You'll see it. I think first thing will be our Blaze orange Element logo T. It's got an eight point under an oak tree. Um. I think he's eating acrons. I can't really tell, but he's kind of just frisky whatever I thought. He was kind of like he did kind of the one eyed Jack thing where he like comes in he's he's like following a dough and so he's got his head low and then he all of a sudden he's like, oh, there's an acorn, and he eats it and then it keeps on going. Yeah, he's he's he's multitasking. It definitely is. It's like it's like food on the run during the run. You know, it's the best of both worlds. So but yeah, that's uh why you're at the website. You can actually see our season playlist as well. We've got a season tab so you can keep up with what's been going on on the season playlist if you're not subscribed to YouTube or you don't spend much time there. So yeah, anyway, I got a few things on the website. Check it out. Um, anything else, casey, I think that's gonna be about it. Man, y'all be excited about the upcoming gold fronts. Um, we got a lot of good podcasts coming to you and there's a lot of good hunting in the future. So good luck everybody seasons here man. That's right man, right in the middleve. I know it feels good and things about to be traveling a bunch, So y'all, uh uh, wish me luck, say a prayer for me and um, I hope you guys are going to have a good good season as well. I know a lot of guys. It just gets better from this point forward, So get out there and get after it as much as you can. Save up your Brownie points for November and go do it. And remember this is your element living in

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