00:00:08 Speaker 1: If this is the me Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, severely, bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast, you can't predict anything brought to you by first Light. When I'm hunting, I need gear that won't quit. First Light builds, no compromise, gear that keeps me in the field longer, no shortcuts, just gear that works. Check it out at first light dot com. That's f I R S T L I t E dot com. Welcome to the me Eater Podcast. Suckers listen. If you got little kids standing by, you're gonna cover their ears because Randall's got a news item. 00:00:51 Speaker 2: We are gonna bleep it right feels gonna leep the whole good of course. 00:00:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've done this in the past. Yes, So Randall found us the Salacious Exchange on what platform? 00:01:02 Speaker 2: This is? On Facebook? 00:01:03 Speaker 1: You spent a lot of time there. 00:01:04 Speaker 2: No, I have no I was looking at I was looking at like you know. 00:01:07 Speaker 1: Facebook marketplace stuff, and this popped up. 00:01:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I have no idea. I have no idea who this guy is. I did some research to find out where he is. We won't name him. 00:01:17 Speaker 1: But just set the scene. 00:01:18 Speaker 3: He's he goes on I didn't come through your feet like it was just algorithm. 00:01:22 Speaker 2: It knows that. 00:01:23 Speaker 1: I'd like this. That's not true. You're lying. 00:01:26 Speaker 3: Oh, so I'll set the scene. There's a photo and it's it's a bunch of packaged deer meat, and his post reads I'll do a shortened version. Deer processors are the biggest ripoffs of twenty twenty five, one hundred and eighty five bucks for thirty packs of meat, which brings the price over six bucks a pack, and I supplied the meat. Then they want to get because you question them on it. Lucky I didn't slap the shit out of him. 00:01:50 Speaker 1: I'm in the. 00:01:51 Speaker 3: Process of processing my own, damn dear and the processor, and hope they all go to out of bat Hope they all go out of business, a bunch of ripoff bastards. Then they me on five packs of sausage that cost me fifteen dollars. Mind you, deer processing was eighty five dollars before, Sleepy Joe for the same thing. 00:02:09 Speaker 1: Omit. Well, back up, I'm interested. He feels that that that he feels that the Biden administrations made me, made wild game processing go up. 00:02:23 Speaker 2: It's part of it. I think he also just thinks that they're they're greedy, and. 00:02:28 Speaker 1: They felt emboldened by greed. They felt emboldened by the Biden administration to charge more. 00:02:36 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think the real like the real, uh, this is this is. 00:02:42 Speaker 1: That is true. I believe everything anybody tells me. 00:02:45 Speaker 2: And you think this is like, this is it. 00:02:47 Speaker 3: But there's two point nine k comments, so twenty nine hundred comments, and I realized that this man is responding to almost everyone that comments. 00:02:56 Speaker 1: So he just wants the public to know. Just so I'm understanding this, he just wants the public to know. 00:03:02 Speaker 2: He's going to do Yeah, he's been he's going to do it himself from. 00:03:05 Speaker 1: Now now on. He's doing it himself. And he just is putting this out to the public. 00:03:09 Speaker 2: Yes. 00:03:10 Speaker 3: So one one person commented, grow some balls and process the deer yourself and retain all the meat for yourself. And he responded six hours later and he said, I've got some for you, Phil. 00:03:25 Speaker 1: Are you bleeping out? Listeners already know the answer to this. Are you bleeping out the balls? Yeah? 00:03:32 Speaker 4: I think I think I think the balls in the in the the initial comment, I will not bleep out the balls. In the second comment, I will I think the context is different. You know, No, that's not being bleeped. 00:03:46 Speaker 5: Let's get back to talk about of balls. We've let so much more fla so I'll just. 00:03:53 Speaker 1: I'm in it trying to get another they experience. 00:03:57 Speaker 3: Another gentleman commented, if you handle the work, you should have to pull out your wallet. Then, eleven hours later, the man responded, nobody asked the peanut gallery. 00:04:07 Speaker 2: Nothing, so you can. 00:04:09 Speaker 3: But but he did because he I know, I know he did. Humans are full of contradictions. 00:04:16 Speaker 1: How is putting? How is a Facebook post not asking the peanut gallery? 00:04:21 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's fully. Yeah, you should reflect on your attitude before taking the life of another animal. You should be more grateful, to which he responds, I wouldn't think twice to take yours. 00:04:37 Speaker 5: That's that's the one good one. That one got me. That's good. Your mind here, your mind here? 00:04:45 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, let me find uh because I'm a sucker for a good year. Modjo Well, there's a couple threatened to punch me. 00:04:53 Speaker 2: There's a couple of your modjoke. 00:04:55 Speaker 3: This This one says sleepy Joe is the problem? Question Mark sounds like the problem is leapy so and so who can't do his own deer. And he says, because I was busy your. 00:05:06 Speaker 1: Mom, that's good. What are you gonna bleep on on that? 00:05:10 Speaker 5: I don't know. 00:05:10 Speaker 4: I'm gonna feel it out and just see what see what feels. 00:05:12 Speaker 5: It feels right. 00:05:12 Speaker 3: Then he brings his own profession while someone brings his own professions. He says, sounds like you yourself and brought it to the wrong butcher, just like when customers bring to you for bubblegum welding, to which he responds, oh, he's a welder. He says, yeah, okay, let's see your weld smart ass, You nor nobody you know can do what I do. 00:05:36 Speaker 1: So it's turned into an indictment of his own welding. 00:05:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then there's just rapid fire. Real men cut up their own deer. Hugh pal, watch out. We got a badass off. If you don't have time or knowledge to put what you harvest in the freezer, you shouldn't be hunting for you. Sounds like you was being lazy and cost you more than you wanted to pay. 00:05:56 Speaker 2: Now you're mad. 00:05:57 Speaker 3: If you want to bitch, get off your ass and do it yourself. And he says, you nobody's lazy but your old lady. 00:06:05 Speaker 1: Maybe it could be true. 00:06:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, And then the other one was my this is I'll end with this. 00:06:11 Speaker 1: Uh. 00:06:12 Speaker 3: He says, if you don't shoot a button buck, you'll get more meat. And he says, does this look like a button buck to you? 00:06:19 Speaker 6: Then he has a picture of him holding the cut off head in the back of the truck. 00:06:25 Speaker 2: It is a nice buck. 00:06:26 Speaker 7: Can I see that? 00:06:27 Speaker 5: Karin? Do you know what bubble gum welding is? 00:06:33 Speaker 7: It's I mean, is it just like doing a shoddy job and. 00:06:40 Speaker 3: Bubby gobby well gobby like gum stun on the other side of the table. 00:06:46 Speaker 7: Oh oh god, okay, thank you, thank. 00:06:48 Speaker 5: You for until I did a little bit of welding last year. 00:06:53 Speaker 3: I was out duck hunting with Cal and I was like a lull in the action and I just got on Marketplace and I saw that and I screenshot. I took like ten screenshots of the comments, and there's more there. 00:07:03 Speaker 2: It's a rich text. 00:07:05 Speaker 7: The guy exposed himself. I mean he exposed his face. 00:07:08 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, I mean it's a personal pacebook. 00:07:11 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you. 00:07:11 Speaker 2: Can if you go to his have him on the show. He seems a little cantankerous. 00:07:17 Speaker 5: Uh maybe remotely. 00:07:19 Speaker 1: You know what's funny, you. 00:07:20 Speaker 7: Know, the keep him my arms like. 00:07:23 Speaker 1: I want to get moving along. We had a lot to cover today. We're just so just so, ladies and gentlemen, just so you know, we're gonna talk about Florida, Florida bear hunt, a lot of news Florida bear hunt. We got a heartwarming story from Canada. We're going to talk about uh, Colorado wolf management, and and and the wrath of the Trump administration. We're going to talk about a lot of cractions. Oh, some stuff about jaguars and Arizona, some stuff about mountain goats in Alaska. A lot of stuff to talk about. What else is in here is a thing called a desperate plea about skunks. Oh, Massachusetts lobster hest Hmmm. I don't think we can get to the subsistence. That's a big bucket. Anyways, obviously, lots of stuff we got to cover. But real quick. You know, the the Bobcat Championship game, No, the local school team won. My buddy, very exciting. My kid's buddy was telling a story. His family's all huge Bobcats fans. It goes to overtime and so It's like very tense overtime moment and the bobcast dude makes a catch in the end zone, which ties the game up. It will then be decided by the extra point. 00:08:38 Speaker 8: Anyways, the minute he makes to catch his old man. 00:08:42 Speaker 1: I was watching this dude, and you know what's funny, I'm watching with my family, so I'm in the position of knowing more than anybody. It's like that old leg you know, I hate say it, but it's a it's an old term, like the blind leading the blind. I had a glimmer of vision leading a family of the blind because I'm like, oh no, what happens now? 00:09:01 Speaker 7: You know? 00:09:02 Speaker 8: Because my wife she all surprised because Katie's been. 00:09:08 Speaker 1: She's a big fan. She was on she was fired up. But I know more of the rules, and I'm just like better, I don't know, man, Like I'm better at like that figuring out what's going on in a football game than she is. Yeah, I just damn. She's more invested in it. She likes going to the to the the arena to watch the games. So anyways, my kid's buddy his dad. The minute the dude makes the catch, his dad in a moment of excitement curls his remote control across the room, and when the remote control hits the wall, it changes the channel and then dissolves. So he's just scribing as old man trying to frantically his TV back up and running. And by the time he got this, by the time he got it back up, the game was over. 00:10:09 Speaker 7: Hes overtime missed. 00:10:13 Speaker 1: He missed, you know, I mean, it was just this old man that was like just so overwhelmed. That was hilarious. Uh, heartwarming story to start. New York folks, here's a good one for you. On a recent show, we covered a We kind of dogged on him and goofed on him a little bit, but we we covered a young struggling Canadian hunter who lives in Alberta. Probably probably no, we know he's in Alberta. Yeah, talking all about how he he's hunted all these years and never sees nothing, never gets nothing where to go. He says, they'll tell him to go west, but then he sees a picture of them with a deer and it looks like they went the east. He thinks people lie to him, hunting all these years, never got anything but a grouse. Well, we covered him and goofed on him and with love. He wrote in to say, uh, no, no, no, no, he didn't. 00:11:17 Speaker 7: Right there, a bunch of Canadians. 00:11:19 Speaker 1: Canadians wrote us helping him out. 00:11:23 Speaker 9: That just goes to show you the difference between Canadians and Americans. 00:11:26 Speaker 1: Americans be like, here's my name is this letter there, here's a letter that came in. Hey there, my name is Steve van Brunt and I'm the treasurer of the Calgary Fish and Game Association. By the sounds of his email, I'd guess this hunter is in Calgary. Our group would love to take him in and help him out. Please forward him my info. I know the struggle. I also started hunting in my twenties and went a few years getting skunked at first. And he says, here's the for reference, here's a picture of my first year, which I out west in the mountains. 00:12:01 Speaker 7: And if you look, it's not connected. The initial writer in with this group and maybe we'll hear of his success. 00:12:18 Speaker 1: Uh, here's here's a deal. Now, this is this is pay we gotta do, we gotta do corrections now. Anyone alive today knows that everyone talks about how we're in this era of misinformation, right, We're like in this cultural moment of we're just misinformation. Does everybody know that if you're engaged in the national conversation and you're a news reader, you would know that there is a You would know whether you agree it or not, you would know that there is a cophony of of like noise around fake news misinformation, and it cuts both ways. During during during the pandemic, you'd say that, hey, maybe it was a lab leak, and you'd you'd be accused of misinformation, right, which wound up being probably true. So it cuts both ways. But there's this whole narrative of like there's no accountability, right, there's no accountability. You just say, you say a re you say a thing, and you could say something blatantly false, and we don't have the mechanisms out there to correct misinformation. 00:13:27 Speaker 9: And then it goes out there and does. 00:13:28 Speaker 1: Its thing and it cuts both ways. 00:13:30 Speaker 2: Whatever, But we have that mechanism here. 00:13:32 Speaker 1: We have that here. And I'll point this out when I participated in that, when I participated in the New York Times Daily podcasts, I've been on a lot of podcasts and I've hosted a lot of podcasts. Those suckers fact check. Yeah what the guest says, Yeah, that would shut down most podcasts. 00:13:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, we started, they recorded you don't want me. 00:14:02 Speaker 1: They go, they go to me and they're like, you said X, you said why you said Z. We can't corroborate Z. And I had to go and be, well, give me five minutes and I'll show you right. And then later that day I had to be like I was wrong. I was wrong, and they caught it. Yeah, right, no one does that. That would ruin. That would end podcasting in America today. However, what we'd like to do is we're going to create we want I want corrections so bad that we're going to create a system by which we reward corrections. So if we say something that's off or incorrect, or if we miss something, or if they're you know, but you know that thing that happens where you lie by omission. M h. We caught our kid lying by omission recently. 00:14:58 Speaker 9: Left out a key detail hill. 00:15:00 Speaker 1: The detail was so key, right the d He's like, I'm gonna go do blank. 00:15:10 Speaker 7: This is the oldest. 00:15:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna go do blank. They're like, oh, this doesn't sound like a problem, you know, And then like a while later we realized that he left. 00:15:19 Speaker 2: Off the other things he was doing. 00:15:22 Speaker 1: Like let's say, you know, let's say let's say this isn't it. Let's say you were like, Hey, I'm gonna run down the road to the gas station, okay to rob it. Yeah, right, that's not it. But to be like a thing like that, and we're like, oh, that's what. At what point were you planning on including that detail? So he lied by omission, right, lied by omission. So if we say something that's off incorrect, if we miss something, if we if if we screw up by omission of a thing, right, sure everything you said was correct, or you the listener are thinking, you didn't say anything that was wrong, but you left off something of such impact that would have fundamentally changed the conversation you were having. Feel free to write in, but. 00:16:18 Speaker 9: They got to bring the receipts, right, They can't just disagree with you. 00:16:21 Speaker 1: Gotta bring the receipts. You got to show your wor. 00:16:23 Speaker 7: Project concerning about it. 00:16:25 Speaker 1: Please don't just send a bunch of dumb garbage in. 00:16:28 Speaker 7: You can email the meat Eater podcast at the meadeater dot com and we're going to be accumulating a bank of this and corrections in a little while will formalize a segment. 00:16:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're talking about formalizing a segment, and we're talking about rewarding the best correction. 00:16:45 Speaker 9: Bhili, you're gonna have to come up with a corrections jingle. 00:16:48 Speaker 1: Oh we can traditions. 00:16:52 Speaker 4: Well, I had an idea where in the room you all go one, two, three corrections and then I play a sound like corrections. 00:17:00 Speaker 5: Have like a combo deal. I don't know, we will figure it out. 00:17:02 Speaker 1: Fidd around the roof, coming back. 00:17:04 Speaker 5: We've done this in the We've never. 00:17:07 Speaker 1: We've never systematic by acknowledging it, but we've never formalized. And what we're aiming toward doing is perhaps building a correction of the week. 00:17:20 Speaker 4: This is a live This is a live idea. I'm thrown out there. Feel free to shut it down immediately. Would you want people to send in like video clips of them saying like, hey, this is this is John from from Arkansas. 00:17:29 Speaker 5: I got a correction for you. 00:17:30 Speaker 1: We can play it. We can play it on. 00:17:33 Speaker 2: Depending on the delivery. 00:17:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, you could do that. 00:17:37 Speaker 1: That would be if someone did do that. 00:17:40 Speaker 9: We don't want Randall's guy doing that. 00:17:42 Speaker 1: From Facebook, Phil, get out with the corrections. 00:17:48 Speaker 5: I foresee. I just finished my thought. I foresee a show that is corrections, because. 00:17:56 Speaker 1: Then you got corrections to the corrections that's been a thing. We don't need to do them all, so the warner here's a cruestion. 00:18:03 Speaker 5: Just pick the good corrections that we like. 00:18:06 Speaker 1: No, the best correction is the correction that corrects the biggest wrong correct For instance, like if someone's like, oh, you said that it became a state in eighteen forty eight, it actually became technically it became a state on at eleven fifty nine, you know PM, the New Year's Eve, eighteen forty seven, Like I don't care about that, yeah, you know. But if it's like, hey man, you said whatever that that that you know, I don't know. For example, that we have some good trying I'll show here this isn't a podcast correction, is a video correction, but it has podcast tiens. We recently did a thing, a video about our our Sandhill cranes, truly the Ribbin in the Sky. 00:18:56 Speaker 7: If you haven't watched it, go to YouTube. 00:18:59 Speaker 1: And we're currently making a video called our merganzas really as bad as they say. Okay, so in our Sandhill Crane video, we busted out our Warner Braxler sheer Force test machine, which measures tenderness to this. Chris Calkins from the University of Nebraska, who is a meat scientist, wrote in to. 00:19:26 Speaker 7: Say, wait, he was our guest. 00:19:28 Speaker 1: Yeah, he was on episode to seventy seven. He came out to talk about meat science. The episode that was back when we had good names for our episodes. That episode was called Red Cutter before we caved and started using dumb names. Now he's a meat scientist. 00:19:48 Speaker 5: So yeah, if you're going to go find this episode, don't search like mediator what to know about meat. You're gonna have to type. 00:19:55 Speaker 1: In red red something you never think to write in. Very difficult to find it, because something that no one on the planet is searching. 00:20:03 Speaker 2: Except for people who have already listened to the episode. 00:20:05 Speaker 1: And remember every if they typed in meat Scientists, University Nebraska, Wild Game, you won't find. You type in red Cutter, you'll find this. 00:20:14 Speaker 5: It's an extremely educational episode. 00:20:17 Speaker 7: Listen like every year, just to refresh. 00:20:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, all your questions about like all your questions, like you know, when someone hits a deer and it goes you hit a deer bad and it goes two miles before you find it, and then people be like, well that deer will be no good to eat because it was stressed and the lactic acid. All those questions resolved. Should you soak your meat and water? Should you soak it in saltwater? All those questions was out. He wrote in to say there's no Basically, he says, yeah, what is he? Oh? Here it is, It's quick. This is Chris Calkins, the meat scientist. I saw a recent Instagram posts showing use of the meat sheer machine being used on raw meat. Be aware there's hardly any relationship between sheer force of raw versus cooked meat. For those who know, it's a glaring error. We were taking raw sand Hill crane in raw ribbi and measuring the tenderness and the sand Hill crane blew away the ribbi in terms of tenderness? 00:21:26 Speaker 5: Did you do it cooked? Also, we never did it. 00:21:29 Speaker 1: And what was funny about it is I was noticing that in the sheer force machine, sand Hill crane is half. It's scoring like I can't remember the exact numbers. Basically, it's scoring like a one point five bite force and the ribbi is scoring a three point zero bite force. But then when you cook them and eat them, there's no discernible Like in my mind, there's no discernible difference. He's saying, you can't do that, you gotta cook it. Then sheer force tested. 00:22:01 Speaker 7: So we did the wrong science. 00:22:05 Speaker 1: It is okay, that's a great correction. In future, this gentleman would maybe be walking away with correction of the week. M M. For those Brody's going to visit your home and cook you dinner and. 00:22:20 Speaker 9: You can insult me or something and tell me I'm wrong. 00:22:24 Speaker 1: Here's another correction. How game you are for that, Brady. We recently had on an episode seven ninety six called Heart of the Jaguar. We had on the author James Campbell, and we discussed, among many things, jaguars and jaguar recovery in Arizona. In that episode, we mentioned the biologist one of the if not the leading servid researchers. He's gonna he's not. He's gonna write a correction about that, saying how he's not Amanda in regard to be one of the leading servid researchers in America. I regard that to be true. We mentioned Heffelfinger in the show, and I even mentioned saying something that Heffelfinger might not like to hear. In Heffelfinger we had a long conversation. Hefflefinger had some very fair corrections. He was unhappy with references to the Arizona Game and Fish Department not being supportive of jaguars showing up in Arizona, and he had a mountain of examples that he shared with me demonstrating quite the opposite that the Zona Game and Fish Department has been entirely hospitable to jaguars in Arizona. He says his agency has always been very active in both planning and implement implementation of jaguar conservation. The Arizona Game and Fish Department supports the US Fish and Wildlife Services Jaguar Recovery Plan, which focuses on core jaguar habitat in South and Central America and Mexico, and that conservation efforts and funds for jaguar conservation should be focused south of the border. He also says although the Peripheral the peripheral habitat in Arizona doesn't contribute to recovery, his department remains committed to protecting and conserving those individuals that disperse into Arizona. Moving on to a public service announcement. This doing this announcement goes against my well being because I've already bought my raffles. 00:24:43 Speaker 2: I was thinking. 00:24:48 Speaker 1: The Outdoor Heritage Foundation. 00:24:51 Speaker 7: Sorry, I'm about to knock your odds down because I got the page open. I'm gonna get my credit card out. 00:24:57 Speaker 1: The Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska is raffling off a chew Gatch Mountain Goat tag that's G eight hundred. That's the tag number, which will come with a fully guided hunting experience and a travel stipend, as well as a Delta Junction Bison tag which is s I four hundred. The money raise is it s I four hundred. I think it's d I nless they changed it m I feel like it should be di I. It's d I c. 00:25:30 Speaker 7: I four oh three. That's what it says on the website. 00:25:35 Speaker 1: Whatever. It's the Delta Junction Bison tag, so. 00:25:38 Speaker 5: You get two tags if you win. 00:25:42 Speaker 1: The money raise for these tags will go to fund a collaring study being launched on the Chewgatch Mountain goat population by the Palmer Fish and Game Office and will also be used to support the organization's endowment fund. So this organization, the Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska, is raising money with a mountain goat draw that they will turn around and use to do research on that population of mountain goats by going in and funding a collaring study by Palmer Fishing Game. Now, of the many things I enjoy following in life, I like following fir markets, and I love following collaring studies. Looking at a map with all the blips of where stuff goes. I like the normal stuff animals do wearing a collar, and I like the weird stuff animals do wearing a collar. Love coloring studies. They're very enlightening about how things use habitat. Another great thing about coloring studies is once you know how a population, so it's a native population of mountain goats, once you know how that population of mountain goats uses the landscape, conservation efforts can be much more focused. Right. You might say, hey, if we're going to protect habitats or do habitat work, like where do these things actually go and what do they use? And it helps you'd be very targeted in conservation efforts, so collering studies are great. Both the bison and the goat raffles are live. Now to back up to this goat deal. For the goat tag, if you're a not this is open to non residents. And the catch here is unless you have a relative in Alaska, and if you're a non resident of if you're an Alaska non residence, so you don't live in Alaska, the only way you can go hunt goats is if you have a relative in Alaska, and you can hunt goats with that person. Oh ornette, you got to hire a guide. So when you draw this tag, the win. It's a guided trip with the travel stipend to get you up there. This is all expense paid goat tag. When I draw it, I won't need those services because I'm already familiar with the area. Oh ho, my brother, I don't need the services for this. So what you're saying, I apply for this tag. Here's the catch. Here's here's the weird part. I apply for this tag every year every year. 00:28:08 Speaker 7: Here's the crazy thing. These websites actually tell you how many tickets have been sold, so you can look at one of your chances. Is that right, now only two hundred and fifty eight tickets for the goat. 00:28:22 Speaker 1: What dude, I'm in the mix. 00:28:25 Speaker 2: I'm in the mix for now. 00:28:27 Speaker 1: I'm in the mix. I bought seventy I bought four for seventy five. I'm going to get back in there. I'm getting I was just getting, like, I just made an opening offer with my seventy five dollars. 00:28:42 Speaker 9: You can just tell them you don't need a guide. You're like, I don't need that part. 00:28:45 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put the money. I'm going to donate it back. I'm gonna donate it back to the org. Gotcha. I won't need it. I don't need the guide. Yeah, I'm already in it. I'm already in the state draw. 00:28:55 Speaker 9: Anyway, you're almost you're basically already hunting that goat. 00:28:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're so close. So how do people find this if you want to participate? Well, oh, the Delta Junction Bison ticket package is like of the hunts in Alaska. There's Delta Junction, the Chittner Herd, the Farewell Burn Herd, the Copper River Herd. The Delta Herd is the like road accessible. It's it's a very achievable hunt. They do some there's some farming. Oddly, you know, there's not much farming in Alaska. Obviously, there's some agricultural production around Delta Junction. So a lot of these guys that have these ag fields they charge a small trespass fee. It's like, if you want to go hunt a really wild, free ranging bison population that has buffalo that are able to move across jurisdictions, and they're just like wild free roaming animals managed as a big game species. This is a This is an accessible hunt for people that don't know the ins and outs of a LAS. You don't need to be like a logistics wizard to pull off a Delta Junction hunt. So we're forty tickets for five hundred bucks. One ticket for twenty five bucks, goat fourteen for two hundred all expense paid, four for seventy five. God that makes me I just need I'm getting in there heavy duty now. Yeah, keep bleep all that out, Phil, We'll do so. 00:30:23 Speaker 7: Uh. For the goat raffle, you have until March sixth, The drawing is going to be the next day. For the bison raffle, you have until the fourteenth. The drawing is going to be on March fifteenth, and if you go to the Outdoor Heritage Foundation of Alaska's website o h FA k dot org forward slash raffles plural, you will find links to purchase tickets. 00:30:55 Speaker 1: Okay, don't buy, buy the bison ones. Moving on, we got an email called a desperate plea. Advice needed now, and I'll stay tu because we're gonna get to the hard hitting We're gonna get to the hard hitting political, politically devisive stuff down the road. Whenmber I was talking about wolves and like the wrath of the Trump administration, that's all coming. But first, a desperate plea. Dear Stephen Krewe, this is someone writing in for help. Let me let me begin by saying I love my wife and kids very much. 00:31:28 Speaker 2: That's always a great setup, but hey. 00:31:31 Speaker 1: Some guys don't. Now. If he wrote in, say, let me begin by saying I don't love my wife and kids. 00:31:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, changes the heart. 00:31:38 Speaker 1: I wouldn't cover the story. 00:31:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, I wouldn't have put it in there, so I would have read it. 00:31:42 Speaker 2: He wouldn't have a problem if if he. 00:31:45 Speaker 1: Was true, he wouldn't even have this problem. 00:31:47 Speaker 5: Very titillating to start off a story with that, though, yeah, yeah, and. 00:31:52 Speaker 1: You couldn't, he said, I don't love my wife. I would have read, but I would never cover it. Yeah, because I wouldn't be able to support that. He says, I also love trapping. As you may or may not know, skunk prices are pretty good this year. We know it well, buddy. In fact, we covered it at on media or radio live. With the fur market being down the past few years, I was excited to see that skunks are averaging twenty to thirty bucks in Oklahoma. Jeez, they were even higher. Like here, sorry, it's a dog in the studio, excuse me, they were even higher. This happened like a couple years ago. There's like that spike in beaver. Prices for cowboy hats and dudes got so hard after Beaver's it's just like they dropped. And in the skunk, I don't think the skunk is like, I don't know that the skunk explosion is gonna hold up, so I think it's already dipping from harvest. A lot of guys catching a lot of skunks. Anyways, twenty to thirty bucks in Oklahoma. That being back to the letter that being said, my son and I have started to target skunks more than usual. He says, Now, I am no Jared Maya Johnson, but we're looking at a nice little payday with all the skunks we've been catching. I don't understand that reference. 00:33:08 Speaker 2: He's doing pretty good. 00:33:09 Speaker 1: He's really not, because there's no part of Jeremiah Johnson where he's excelling at any sort of for harvesting. 00:33:16 Speaker 5: As Jeremiah Johnson. He feels like he's a great trapper Jeremiah, and that he himself is not comparable to a great trapper. That maybe Jeremiah he's still doing well. 00:33:28 Speaker 1: If he said no, I'm no Craig O'Gorman. 00:33:33 Speaker 5: That would make sense to three people. 00:33:35 Speaker 1: Or I'm no Slim Peterson, I'm no Hawbaker, I'm no Mercer long Seth Morrison, I'm no John Graham. Sure, I'm no Jeremiah Johnson. But to go on, he's no Jeremiah Johnson, but he's looking at a nice little payday with all the skunk he's been catching. Well. I came home last night and sat on the couch after a good trap line checking. My wife broke down in tears and proceeded to tell me she can't live like this. Anymore, Buddy, I have gotten the same notes. She then says she's tired of my truck and the garage smelling like a skunk. He says, I didn't get spray, so it's not that bad. But she can just get a little whiff of it here and there. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: I bet it's probably worth. 00:34:33 Speaker 6: Terrible. 00:34:33 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, buddy, Let me finish up. He goes on, I am in a predicament. I love my wife, but I'm not about to sell all my trap and stuff and sign my son up for piano lessons. What should I do? Is there a happy medium in my situation? Ps? If y'all need a new turkey spot in Oklahoma, I'd love to take you out Bryce from Oklahoma. Here. That odor is one of the those odors. Let me put to you this way. My dad always like to tell story. When he was a little boy, he lived by a foundry an all day long. Don't from the foundry. People would say, they'd come to his neighborhood and people go, what is that noise, to which people in the neighborhood go, what noise? Mhmm, right, You, my friend, might be acclimated. You might be getting acclimated to the skunk smelly? 00:35:32 Speaker 7: Am I the only person and I have I'm not in a household where skunks get trapped. If I drive by it, I just never you know, pleas I never think it's bad. It doesn't. 00:35:48 Speaker 1: It doesn't. 00:35:50 Speaker 3: By proximity road kills skunk is nothing but run over a road kills skunk and get a little bit of it stuck up under your vehicle and it just stays there for two weeks. 00:36:04 Speaker 7: But it doesn't smell like it doesn't smell rotten like things that would turn me off. Is like something that's like rotting. 00:36:12 Speaker 4: I had my cat come home at two in the morning drenched in skunk, and that completely altered my brain, which rewired, and I hate I can't do it now because my heart house smelled like it for a week. 00:36:22 Speaker 9: This thing is it can like make something smell just by being near. It goes the air and coats. Like remember we were in that you were we were out at Jake's place and you were skinning that skunk and we had a couple of beaver thighs sitting like ten feet away to eat, oh nowhere near, and you couldn't eat those. 00:36:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, years ago, Remember we auctioned off in the auction house of bodies, that bottle of genuine skunk. 00:36:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, since I do. 00:36:53 Speaker 1: So. We were extracting that with hypodermic needles. You buy it murdocks like hard like large boarder cattle injectors. Ye. Well, we were like surgical about doing it, and all I did. I didn't want to throw my hyperdermic needle. 00:37:13 Speaker 7: Out, so you washed it and kept it. 00:37:17 Speaker 1: No, I didn't. There was the one oversight. So I had the hypodermic needle in my garage and my wife is having a shit fit about the skunk smell in her car on everything. I had a whole embarrassing thing happened at the barber shop. So I'm like, Katie, there is no nothing in that garage. It's just like a residual smell that'll dissipate. But it wouldn't. And I eventually realized that hypodermic needle. So she's probably right. You're probably wrong if you had a way to take your whole, well all aspects of your skunk operation to an outbuilding. 00:38:04 Speaker 9: He needs a skin and shed, Yeah, just build a shed. 00:38:06 Speaker 1: Or but you might not have that. You might not have that luxury It might just have to be the you teller. Trapping season don't last all year, I don't know, Or you take the whole entire operation and they don't park your truck in the garage, the entire operation. When you walk out of your shed, you walk out of your shed in your underwear. 00:38:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's already in tears. 00:38:37 Speaker 3: So I think, I don't know if the trapping season is only part of the year is going to work. I think I think he needs to start looking at the shed, looking at the naked the more dramatic step here. 00:38:47 Speaker 2: But he might not. 00:38:48 Speaker 1: My story about the hyper dermot needle is being you have to take entire operation boots, gloves, hat, clothes, truck, backpack. The entire operation has to move to where you When you walk away from skunk Land, you walk away in your underwear. 00:39:15 Speaker 9: To be fair, you love your wife and kids very much, but you haven't moved your operation off site. 00:39:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm not doing twenty skunks. 00:39:23 Speaker 2: True. 00:39:24 Speaker 1: I'm good for like a skunk, I mean a skunk now, and then. 00:39:29 Speaker 9: A handful of like you know, this guy, might you know, be a little more thoughtful than you. 00:39:36 Speaker 1: I don't know. She is crying. 00:39:41 Speaker 5: I think he's a little bit hard on the piano lessons. I think there's a lot of value in piano lessons. 00:39:47 Speaker 1: He's making a point, but yeah. 00:39:51 Speaker 5: Point. You know, I'm just saying, maybe he could use his proceeds pay for some piano lessons and say, look what the kids getting out of it? 00:40:01 Speaker 9: As long as that kid hasn't been handling a skunk. 00:40:04 Speaker 1: He's got the kid. 00:40:05 Speaker 5: Skunks are black and white, pianos are black and white. 00:40:11 Speaker 1: Good point, man, it all goes together. Yeah, I think he was making a point. I don't. I don't think skunk trapping and piano plant are totally incompatible. But I think that you would find you would find that there is an inverse correlation to prowess on the piano and prowess as a skunk trapper. I think that you would find that. 00:40:29 Speaker 5: Does Dale Brisbye know about these high skunk traps? 00:40:32 Speaker 1: I told them about it, and he said, I'm not that broke. I didn't want to take it up with him. I don't want to argue about it. I thought he was wrong. Here's some news from Massachusetts. This is fascinating something I hadn't really thought about. Well, I have thought about it. Listeners will know that in the past I had it was it remains unresolved. Unsolved. There's an unsolved mystery where I there was a fish heist in our office, know how it's still it was in our last office. Yeah, there was a major fish heist in our last office and it was never solved. Someone stole a small fortune's worth of seafood and we never called them, never caught them. But check this out. 00:41:18 Speaker 5: I thought I was allowed to take that stuff. 00:41:22 Speaker 1: There have been these like high profile, like organized crime level. So this is a story reported in Forbes from Massachusetts, these like well organized, high profile thefts of massive amounts of seafood, and the gist of the article saying, when you like these aren't these aren't things with barcodes and serial numbers. 00:41:51 Speaker 5: That's the reason they like them. 00:41:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's like you're stealing lobster. So like unmarked, like completely unmarked stuff. That's very easy. See it's something I never thought of. Like a big load of seafood on a truck is very hard to track. Yeah, it's it's hard to track, and it's easy to move. It's easy to move. They got these guys that just stole forty thousand like hear me out forty thousand pounds of lobster meat from a warehouse in Massachusetts, estimated to be worth four hundred thousand dollars. The lobster was supposed to go to costcos in Illinois and Minnesota. 00:42:40 Speaker 5: You think that's like king crab legs in the show, or do you think it's lobster? But then they're sorry lobster. 00:42:47 Speaker 1: So I keep seeing lobster meat, I feel like it must be tail. Would you picture going to a cost co and finding tails? 00:42:54 Speaker 5: Tails? 00:42:54 Speaker 9: Sometimes it's not picked. 00:42:58 Speaker 7: They're not like the main lobster tails. 00:43:01 Speaker 1: They're the no, these aren't rotic lives or tails, spine, the spiny lobster tails. Yeah, when it keeps pointing out meat, I'm assuming they're not moving live lobster, but maybe like tails. And they're like they're at the time it is reporting, they're pointing out that it's already gone on the black. 00:43:19 Speaker 3: Market for half price, which that's what my takeaway, Yeah, getting more black market lobster. 00:43:25 Speaker 1: They probably these thieves probably moved at two hundred thousand dollars. But this guy goes on to say that you're probably seeing or you're probably seeing and when you hear about how this stuff goes on. This analyst here is saying, you're seeing old school organized crime intersecting with cybercrime. These guys basically not basically, these criminals impersonated a legitimate trucking company. Okay, they go to a warehouse with a truck, it's labeled and everything, and they know about the they know about the lobster being there, they know about the shipment happening. They pose as the legitimate shipper. 00:44:11 Speaker 9: Well, they like it's like identity theft, Like they get the account numbers and all the information. 00:44:19 Speaker 7: It's both like physical on the trucks, and then like on the back end with the communications. 00:44:23 Speaker 2: They've hacked all the delivery information. 00:44:26 Speaker 1: They have a fraudulent load listing. And then they got their guy comes in, they got dispatchers. 00:44:34 Speaker 7: Right, very sophisticated stuff. 00:44:37 Speaker 3: And then they drive off and they drive off and then the actual truck shows up looking for the lobster that they already took off. 00:44:44 Speaker 1: That's a good part of the movie. 00:44:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great part of the movie. 00:44:48 Speaker 5: It's just two hundred thousand. 00:44:51 Speaker 1: Seems like, I know, it's like it's too risky for that. 00:44:54 Speaker 5: Right, it seems like, is it enough, I would say if you were telling me, oh, well, they've done it hundreds of times over which later we learned that there was a crab that I think, what did you say annually? What was the number annually? It was in the billions, wasn't it. 00:45:12 Speaker 9: Yeah, And they could be involved with all kinds. They could be picking up televisions and computers, and they could be doing this with all different kinds of stuff. 00:45:20 Speaker 1: But this this being reported, like, this is going to make their lives more difficult. But yeah, there's been other seafood heightsts. Yeah, but the part of it, I mean, it's all interesting. The part of it was interesting to me is that you're just able to move huge that you can just move black market huge quantities of seafood. 00:45:36 Speaker 9: But if you said it, like you said, if it's organized crime, they probably already have those connections, right, Like they know they know how. 00:45:43 Speaker 1: To move forty thousand pounds lot. 00:45:46 Speaker 2: So this is all told. 00:45:48 Speaker 3: Cargo theft is estimated to be a thirty five billion dollar loss the National Insurance Crime Bureau. Yeah, that includes that includes electronics, pharmaceutical. 00:45:59 Speaker 1: But point about the net unless you're doing this, unless they're just doing this all the time. If you imagine that you're a one off criminal enterprise and you have this where you got you got four people involved, six people involved, and in the end you net two hundred thousand bucks. 00:46:14 Speaker 9: That's not even net, that's not your retirement plan. 00:46:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like. 00:46:21 Speaker 7: It's so easy for them to do. I wonder how much the crab heist was. And then there's other, you know, seafood heist going on, so maybe they just have it. 00:46:30 Speaker 5: And they can just quickly easy and is another big one. I think we've even covered that. 00:46:36 Speaker 1: Well, this has covered the glass eel deal. 00:46:38 Speaker 3: This is how you get to the the classic film trope of one last heist, because they need to do one last heist so. 00:46:49 Speaker 2: That they can finally ride off into the sunset. 00:46:52 Speaker 3: So yeah, the forty pounds of lobster was good, but if we can get another forty thousand pounds of lobster, I'm not. 00:47:00 Speaker 2: Doing this anymore. 00:47:01 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, you know, like. 00:47:02 Speaker 2: The town I've paid these oceans films. Yeah, exactly. 00:47:09 Speaker 1: Florida bear hunt results, harvest results. We've covered this a whole bunch Florida a decade ago. This is we always tell the stories. Was one of my favorite kind of like I don't know wildlife policy stories of the last decade or so is Florida ran a bear hunt a decade ago and their first bear hunting forever, I can't remember exactly how long, but their first hunt in decades, they ran a bear hunt. When they put together the bear hunt, they decided on a quota system, so it was an open hunt with a cap and it's like anyone with a license can go out and hunt bears. And their plan was to shut the license, to shut the hunt down at three hundred bears, I think is what it was, and they within a couple of days hit their quota. In some of the units, they hit their quota right away. When they built it in, they built in that there was a twenty four hour window, so as they approached their bear quota, people have to report the bear as soon as they kill it. As they approached the bear quota, their plan was to shut it down, but there was a twenty four hour window to shut it down. During that twenty four hour period, the hunters were killing so many bears in Florida that during the twenty four hour shutdown period some units in Florida, the bear harvest overshot the quota in a couple units, and so in two days of this open hunt in Florida, in a two day span, they killed three hundred bears, all right, and the anti hunters, the animal rights folks, had a conniption about this. They felt like, oh my god, they botched the whole thing. They killed too many bears. On the flotside, that was half of the reality. The other half of the reality was people said, man, we must have a lot of bears. Right. There's two ways of looking at this whole story, but it was a real black eye for Florida. Florida didn't do any bear hunts now. They just did another bear hunt. And on this bear hunt, they tried a new model. On this bear hunt, they tried a tag draw model where they did a lottery to give out a smaller handful of bear tags. What happened, as we reported on previous shows, what happened is the animal rights people all come in and they start saying, Hey, we're gonna go apply for bear tags and then not use them. So they're gonna give out the requisite They're gonna give out the allotted number of bear tags. Any you guys, They're gonna we're gonna award one hundred and seventy two bear tags. And the animal rights people are like, yeah, but we're gonna get all those bear tags and not use them. Prior to the hunt, the Fish and Wildlife Commission in Florida, their basic attitude was, go ahead, buddy, because you're just buying licenses and funding our agency by buying licenses. Next year, we'll take the formula and we'll adjust if our objective is to kill let's say whatever. Let's say their objective is to kill a hundred bears. If you do your little scheme and we give out a hunt, let's say we gave out two hundred tags expecting to kill one hundred bears, and we give out two hundred tags and kill fifty bears, well guess what. Next year, we'll give out four hundred tags and we're going to get it right. Buy all the fake licenses you want. We thank you for the money, was their attitude. Well, they did their hunt, and lo and behold, they came in. They ran the season from December sixth to December twenty eight. They had a good hunt, but they came in below objective. 00:50:58 Speaker 5: But oh, is that clear that it's that the objective was to kill one hundred and seventy two. 00:51:05 Speaker 9: That's a bad number of tags issue. 00:51:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, they killed fifty two, and I think that they had they had they were comfortable with a much larger harvest. What was the harvest they were comfortable with. 00:51:17 Speaker 9: I don't know if they said they said a number. They just said that they're they're like, the success rate was lower than they had planned on, but it's still pretty good. 00:51:27 Speaker 1: Yep, they're pleased. But it was on the low end of expected. So here's here's the grey irony. Here's what always happens. This happened. Let me give you another verse. Well, let me tell you what happened. I'll give you another example to happen. So the animal rights community says, we're going to screw your bear hunt and we're going to apply for all these tags and then don't hunt them. Okay, So they do the hunt, They issue one hundred and seventy two tags, they kill, Remember me, Agan, how many got round fifty? They killed fifty two bears? What is the animal rights community say? The lack of success these hunters had goes to show there aren't enough bears to support the hunt. It's like in California. When California banned using hounds to mountain lion hunt, the efficacy rate plummeted, So they ban the use of hounds. The Animal rights or the group's petition, they banned the use of hounds to hunt. Then you see in the following years, efficacy rate of lion hunting drops drops drops because you can't use hounds to hunt. Where do they go and say, oh my gosh, mountain lion efficacy rates are so low. Now it must be there's no lions. So they create a scenario and then they use that scenario turn around and use it against the wildlife manager. So here they're making the case, jeez, it went so shittily thanks to us doing what we did. That now we can turn around and use that low harvest against the agency by saying, must not be that many bears. Success rates are very low, even though we're all sitting on tags that we didn't hunt. 00:53:09 Speaker 9: Yeah, it'd be interesting to know how many of those tag holders were deliberately not gonna hunt and then go with a success rate based on that. 00:53:18 Speaker 1: You know, yep, he goes. They go on to say, they go in their press release, they say Hey, the hunter's success rate was very close to other states with similar hunt parameters. 00:53:31 Speaker 5: Do you know if that's it? Good? 00:53:33 Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad for him. I mean, if they had had a mistake again, right, let's say they had given one hundred and seventy two tags, I don't know what their objective was. If they gave one hundred and seventy two and one hundred and seventy two people killed a bear, then I don't know. Then they'd be people would be using that against them. It'd be another like what a slaughter? You know, So here's the moving forward. 00:53:55 Speaker 5: Yep, can non reds apply for that tag? 00:53:58 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not aware. That's a great question, i'd assume. So I'm not positive. Man, I wanted to get all into. 00:54:10 Speaker 7: This is just you can probably hit it lightly because public comments is open non resident. 00:54:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, Trump reviews federal subsistence program in Alaska. Now Here, this is a doozy. I stated to get in this because this is an hour long conversation and it's not settled yet. 00:54:34 Speaker 7: Right, Maybe light touched a lot about how it's not settling. 00:54:37 Speaker 1: Come back to sixty percent of Alaska's federal land. In Alaska, there is a thing called federal subsistence hunting, where people that live in rural communities in Alaska and in defined rural areas in Alaska. Residents of defined rural areas in Alaska can often hunt and fish on federal lands under different regulations than everybody else. It's the it's federal subsistence. 00:55:16 Speaker 9: So on there's three tiers, right, there's native, then there's like residence subsistence, and then there's like there's state's kind of recreation. 00:55:26 Speaker 1: Well, there's there's here's why it takes an hour because there's state subsistence. So here here's an example. Let's say you're a resident of Alaska. There are some harvests that are state subsistence harvests, for instance, sablefish or black codon that's state subsistence. You could live in downtown Anchorage and go and you can travel to an area that has a state subsistence hunt or a state subsistence fishery and you can participate in the area. So you could be from an urban area but participate in a state subsistence hunt as long as you're in the area where the state subsistence hunt occurs. For federal subsistence practices, on federal lands, you have to be a resident of that area. Okay, you can do federal subsistence activities in your area, and it might be increased bag limits, earlier hunting seasons, fisheries that aren't open to other people, and it's that's the federal subsistence thing. What it allows is you can't the state can't go in on some issues. They can't go in and make hunting seasons and fishing opportunities that are applied solely to Native Alaskans. What they can do is they can say on federal lands, they can say, if you live in this area, and it might be a predominantly Native area, if you live in this area, you have different rules and regulations for hunting and fish certain hunting and fishing practices on federal lands. Many oftentimes and this is this is my personal view, some of the Federal Subsistence Board decisions are there's some areas where they have some major overreach in my view as the outsider looking in, you mean, like being. 00:57:23 Speaker 9: Too liberal with what they allow some people to do. 00:57:27 Speaker 1: No, not as much that as they've They've created a lot of controversy in Alaska by making certain things like in Western Brooks Range that like caribou hunting, moose hunting for big game, you know, whatever decision that says it's it's federal subsistence only, meaning that people from other parts, not people from outside the state. Not only people from outside the state, but people from outside of that area can no longer hunt that area or taking sheep doll sheep units in the range and the Federal Subsistence Board coming in and saying only Federal subsistence people can hunt this hunt, and it could be what they've allowed to creep into their decision making process is not necessarily the health of the species being hunted, but it's social considerations, meaning people communities in the western Brooks Range say hey, we're sick of people from outside of our area coming in to hunt. So the Federal Subsistence Board saying, okay, we'll make it that they can't. That has caused an enormous amount of controversy in certain areas. The Federal Subsistence Board just made a very strange decision. They came in and declared catch a can Alaska to be Federal subsistence eligible. So now you have a town that has a Walmart and a Starbucks and. 00:59:00 Speaker 9: A bunch of crappy gift shops for cruise people. 00:59:04 Speaker 1: And gift stores. It's a full on town with an airport. The Federal Subsistence Board shocked everybody, most everybody, and came in and said, ketch a Can is federal subsistence. 00:59:21 Speaker 7: On what grounds? But like from their perspective, if they're putting forth this on serious grounds, what are they claiming? There are there are people who could benefit. 00:59:35 Speaker 1: Here's the here's the I'll give you the best argument. 00:59:37 Speaker 7: I mean, I know I tried to understand that they. 00:59:38 Speaker 1: Can't because there's a there's a there are a lot of Native Alaskans in ketcha Can, right, and you can't grant They can't grant just Native Alaskans, right, yep. So you have indigenous people in ketcha Can, they can't grant them these these honey fishing privileges on that you can only grant it to the tribes right under federal subsistence. But the minute you do that for federal you can't. So you have to say the jurisdiction. Everyone living in this jurisdiction. So now that the guy I know that Walmart owns Walmart, but the guy that owns the grocery store is now federal subsistence and they can do hunting and fishing practices like. 01:00:33 Speaker 7: In practice, in practice, if that's lived out, will that still end up benefiting tribal members who they're seeking to. 01:00:45 Speaker 1: That tribal members were instrumental in petitioning, like Native Alaskans from the area were instrumental in petitioning to get federal subsistence status, But the federal subs assistance status falls of the whole town. And many people quite rightfully are looking at the irony of taking a town that has chain hotels, a Super eight, a Walmart, cruise ship docks, Delta Airline flights, Alaska Airline flights, United Airline flights, a ferry system, cars, like taking a full on city, a full on urban center and saying you need to you Basically you're saying you people rely on a subsistence lifestyle and should be granted subsistence harvest authority, and other people looking at being like, how in the world can you live in a town with a Walmart and an airport and be reliant on subsistence practices? 01:01:56 Speaker 5: And why I know you said earlier that they can't give it, just give it to the natives, and why is. 01:02:01 Speaker 1: That it's unconstitutional. I don't know the full legal history of why that can't happen. It's unconstitutional. Here's what else makes this story interesting. Where a lot of this subsistence activity is going to wind up taking place is on another town and another island that already has because another island that very much is rural and is very remote, and the people on that island have federal subsistence. So now people out there are like, oh man, wait a minute, where do you think they're going to be doing all this federal subsistence activity. It's going to be in our federal subsistence area. So now you got one. You got people from one federal subsistence area who are like, dude, you people aren't rural, and I know you're all coming to our area to hunt. Yeah. So, for these various reasons, when I laid out about stuff from doll sheep units, and I'm not even fully like I have very complex personal thoughts about this whole thing, I'm trying to as much as possible lay out the issue that will cover when we cover this. We're going to cover this big time later. 01:03:10 Speaker 5: This is the light touch. 01:03:11 Speaker 1: This is the light touch. It's so complicated. 01:03:13 Speaker 9: The thing is where like if it goes through like what's to stop like Anchorage or Fairbanks from you know what I mean? 01:03:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, So sci Safari Club International has a thing they've asked, this has been put forward. They have asked the administration, the current administration, to do a review of Hey, what is going on with the federal subsistence program in Alaska? And a couple of the questions are raising is they've recently added new board members, So it's like, what is up with the what is up with who is on the board? Are we talking about health of wildlife species or are we talking about social friction? What is the decision making process? What are some of the things that happened lately, and just basically doing a review of the process. Native groups in Alaska are worried about this. What's that said? 01:04:16 Speaker 5: I'm looking forward to hearing more. 01:04:18 Speaker 1: We're gonna do a full cover on it. 01:04:22 Speaker 9: Yeah, what's the timeline on this? Like as far as them. 01:04:27 Speaker 1: You read that from exacting up then we're gonna move on other news stories. 01:04:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, public comments by February thirteenth. 01:04:36 Speaker 1: Oh, speaking of February thirteenth and Safari Club hold on it. What am I going down there? So I'm trying to find right now, that's your birthday? Why no? But check this out on give me a minute. Not then. 01:04:54 Speaker 9: Where are they taking comments? 01:04:55 Speaker 4: Is not? 01:04:55 Speaker 1: Then? 01:04:57 Speaker 7: Oh you mean when you're going to. 01:05:00 Speaker 1: With Morgan? 01:05:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, February eighteenth to twenty first is this is SCI shows the dates. 01:05:05 Speaker 1: For this show. Okay, if you on YouTube watched our Africa. 01:05:14 Speaker 7: Series and if you didn't like, you need to. 01:05:16 Speaker 1: Or listen to all the three million podcasts we did about it. Yeah, I'm going to be at the SCI convention in Nashville with Morgan Potter. So if you're going to the SCI show, Morgan Potter and I are going to do a presentation. So the professional hunter I was hunting with who's been on the podcast. We're going to be in Nashville doing a presentation at SCI about that trip about wildlife management Africa, about things that were assumed and learned, just the whole story of it. So if you want to come check that out. Tickets you get tickets through SCI. I have no I'm going ticket prices. All that money goes to SCILL. It all goes to support SCI. I am not taking a dip into this, So when you get in, you got to buy a ticket. But the ticket is not to me. The ticket is to support SCI because this is one of their biggest fundraising it's a nonprofit, it's one of their biggest fundraising opportunities. Is this, So when you get your ticket, you're supporting SCI, not me. Mountain lion kills women in Colorado. A hiker. They even give her name, Kristin Marie Kovach, forty six years old, killed on New Year's Day in northern Colorado. Go ahead, brod, this is your neck of the woods. 01:06:29 Speaker 9: I was right outside Estes Park, which is right outside Rocky Mountain National Park, where you like kind of resorties, touristy town, popular hiking trail and some other fight hikers. 01:06:44 Speaker 5: Have you personally hiked that trail? 01:06:46 Speaker 2: No, I don't. 01:06:47 Speaker 9: I mean I may have back when, way back when, when I lived in Boulder. 01:06:50 Speaker 1: I don't know. 01:06:50 Speaker 9: I mean I've been in that area a bunch. But either way, some other hikers founder and uh, it was determined she had been killed by a mountain lion. They went in and I think killed two juveniles. And I don't know where they're at with getting the. 01:07:08 Speaker 1: The lion that I heard from I heard through the grapevine that they were looking for the adult. 01:07:16 Speaker 9: Yeah, I haven't heard whether. I mean, you'd think they would have got on that line pretty quick, but who knows. 01:07:23 Speaker 1: I yeah, but yeah, of course it would be if it's like a predatory. 01:07:29 Speaker 9: But you know, like the whole thing kind of goes to whether like lions attack more people in states where they don't get hunted versus where they do. Like line hunting is legal in Colorado, it might not take place a lot in this particular area. But it's like when you get into that whole thing, it's like it happens so rarely that it's. 01:07:53 Speaker 1: Like it remains a non issue. Yeah, exactly, But it remains a non issue. If we covered people getting zap by lightning, like we always covered people getting killed by wild if we covered people getting zapp by lightning, we would have a lot we would there would be much more coverage. Yeah. 01:08:11 Speaker 3: One thing I saw was that the on that same trail, a guy was attacked in the fall and he hit it with a stick and managed to scare it off. But then I guess there have also been cases of people walking pets in that area that have had their pets attacked, so it seems. 01:08:33 Speaker 9: It's probably a lion. That's just like, it's not like this is out in the middle of nowhere, you know. 01:08:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, the guy was the guy was encountered encountered a lion in November when he was running and it rushed him, but he beat it off. 01:08:48 Speaker 1: So it seems like they're here. Here's the crazy probabi. Thanks Phil, What are you gonna bleep out? 01:08:55 Speaker 5: Just just move on. 01:08:57 Speaker 1: Here. Here's here's where this whole thing with mountaine attacks gets weird. Is you had that you had that summer. This is a few handful of years ago now where Washington State had its first ever recorded human fatality from a mountain lion attack. Yeah, and then right on the heels of that, I think it was in this order, Oregon had its first one in something like ninety years right together, and then a bunch of other high profile cases. We had a kid on who's sitting right where yann he's sitting right now, who him and his brother were attacking and his brother was killed in a mountain lion attack. It's like, it seems beyond seems like it it seems as though you're seeing more and more there's different explanations to be like, there's more lines on the landscape, there's more people on the landscape, there's more recreation on the landscape. One of the more interesting things someone has mentioned to me, we have a friend who works in mountain lion depredation issues, works problem lines things, spent his whole career on mountain lions. He had like just an observation from throughout his career. He was in the Pacific Northwest, and it's like just an it's an individual, it's a very well informed individual's observation that early in his career, any mountain lion that brushed up against like the human lion barrier was was a dead lion. He's like, in the old days, if a lion came on someone's porch, it was a dead lion. If a lion came through town, it was a dead lion. He says, as tolerance has increased, and as people have been reluctant to they like, oh, look, that's so cool, there's a lion on my porch. Which he's not passing judgment on it, but he's saying, as tolerance an acceptability of lions has increased as people have gotten comfortable with wildlife, and people have gotten where it's not. You know, you don't call the cops because you saw a mountain lion cut across your backyard. He says, I would expect to see more of this sort of thing happen. It doesn't mean that it's becoming like a pandemic. It doesn't mean it's becoming like anything other than a freak occurrence, because, like I would expect to see that with increased tolerance, you're going to have increased interactions. 01:11:14 Speaker 9: Yeah, and those lions that are experiencing increased tolerance also developed their own increased tolerance for being around people. 01:11:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. You know they're like, oh no, no, they're not a problem. You can go right up to them. 01:11:25 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:11:26 Speaker 1: It's like they don't do anything. 01:11:28 Speaker 9: But to demonstrate like how rare it is. At first, when I read this sentence, I thought it was funny, but then I thought about it. It was the first fatal attack in Colorado by a mountain lion in this century, And you're like, oh, wow, was it? But this century is twenty five years so and. 01:11:43 Speaker 1: Where was the guy? Remember the guy that put that one in a stranglehold? 01:11:47 Speaker 2: Oh? 01:11:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was a strangle babe. Wasn't that Colorado? 01:11:51 Speaker 5: I believe it was. 01:11:52 Speaker 9: It was that little It was a little line. 01:11:54 Speaker 5: It was like a juvie. 01:11:55 Speaker 1: Yeah. 01:11:56 Speaker 7: Was it also Colorado where there are four old ladies. 01:12:02 Speaker 1: Was Yeah? 01:12:04 Speaker 3: Another thing bikes, bikes seem to have like a lot of there. There seemed to be a lot of mountain biking incidents with lions. 01:12:11 Speaker 9: I'm okay with that. 01:12:12 Speaker 2: And there was the one. 01:12:13 Speaker 3: And there's a grizzly bear up by glacier that ended up killing a guy on a bike. But it's like as more and more people are traveling quickly and silently in the woods, he hit that. 01:12:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was. 01:12:24 Speaker 1: A weird story because the dude hit it. Yeah, the dude behind him. 01:12:29 Speaker 2: Oh really No, the dude. 01:12:31 Speaker 1: Behind him, I believe boogied. Mhmm, took off. The guy that hit the bear got killed by the bear. Also in Colorado. Take it away, Brody. 01:12:44 Speaker 9: Back to the wolf desk in Colorado. Yeah, people think. 01:12:49 Speaker 1: The wolf where the wolf desk intersects with the raft of the administration. 01:12:56 Speaker 9: Oh, come on, it's not just a theory. 01:13:00 Speaker 1: Well, no, here's the deal. 01:13:01 Speaker 9: Let's let's argue after we talk about. 01:13:06 Speaker 1: But you got to include the water deal. Oh, we will, Okay, go ahead. 01:13:12 Speaker 9: So the FED, we talk about Colorado wolves all the time. They're kind of out of standstill right now with getting new ones to introduce because the FED said, you can't get them from Alaska, you can't get them from Canada. Now they've stepped in and said, if you don't comply with certain like showing us certain like record keeping things and and and certain practices, you're going to do down the line and introducing more wolves. Like if you don't comply with what we say, we're just gonna shut down your whole reintroduction program and we're going to take over management of wolves in the state of Colorado. So that's that's the uh, that's what's going on. Some of the reasons for stepping in where that Colorado knowingly introduced livestock killers, that Colorado released wolves last January without really letting anyone know when and where they were going to do it. So there's like tension between Colorado and the Federal the US Fish and Wildlife as far as management policies. 01:14:22 Speaker 1: And then they went outside the country to get the wolves yeh, which was not part of their management. 01:14:25 Speaker 9: They ultimately yeah, I mean they tried everywhere, and ultimately I think got some from British Columbia after the. 01:14:33 Speaker 1: Yeah they brought in the state currently has twenty to thirty wolves, several new pups born in twenty twenty five. Fifteen they brought in fifteen from Canada, and. 01:14:45 Speaker 9: I think they've I forget the exact number, like, out of the total number they've introduced, I think they've maybe killed again, look it up real quick, but I think they've They've had to like lethally remove ten of the ones that. 01:15:02 Speaker 1: I know that they I know that they have, and I know that that was even done in a very some of that was done in a pretty low key fashion. 01:15:09 Speaker 5: Yeah. 01:15:10 Speaker 7: Uh. 01:15:11 Speaker 1: They had one boogie over to New Mexico. 01:15:13 Speaker 9: Yeah, which is very close to a population of endangered Mexican gray wolves. 01:15:20 Speaker 1: That one killed some that one killed some livestock, and they brought it back home. 01:15:25 Speaker 9: What'd your buddy cook think about that? 01:15:27 Speaker 1: I haven't asked them anyway. 01:15:30 Speaker 9: So possible outcomes here a complete federal takeover where Colorado CPW, Colorado Parks and Wildlife has no authority to manage wolves in their own state, and the Feds could come in and kill the wolves. That are there, they could relocate them like Colorado wouldn't have a say, the reintroduction could be halted. 01:15:53 Speaker 1: Uh. 01:15:53 Speaker 9: So it's pretty interesting considering what else is going on at the same time as this. There's a bill moving through Congress right now, like the House just approved delisting wolves. It hasn't gone through the Senate yet, and I don't know that it'll make it through the Senate. But that would throw a wrench into this whole thing, true, because then the Feds might not have the power to do what they want to do here. But there's also like this big beef going on between Trump and Polis. 01:16:24 Speaker 7: Uh. 01:16:24 Speaker 9: You know, Trump has beefs with a lot of governors from Democratic states. There was a water program. 01:16:32 Speaker 1: But he had that little hugathon with the new mayor of New York. 01:16:37 Speaker 2: Did they love each other? 01:16:39 Speaker 1: Which if I think of like a threat to America, I think of that dude. Yeah, a lot of threats that he's not managing wolves anywhere though, ye. 01:16:53 Speaker 9: But yeah, so like what was their name, Tina Peters? 01:16:57 Speaker 1: Then? 01:16:58 Speaker 9: Right, so there was the woman that what did she do? Randall? 01:17:02 Speaker 3: She was like she she was an elections clerk and she. 01:17:08 Speaker 2: After she certified the. 01:17:10 Speaker 9: Election, messing with stuff. 01:17:11 Speaker 3: She yeah, she lets someone come in and copy the hard drives off of their voting machines and gave them passwords to the voting machines and did a bunch of stuff like that. 01:17:22 Speaker 2: So she some some random guy from the internet. 01:17:24 Speaker 1: She got convicted of that, like violating her charter as an elections official. 01:17:29 Speaker 9: Trump pardoned her, but she was convicted under a on a state charge, so it was like a symbolic symbolic pardon, and Polis is like, yeah, it doesn't mean anything. 01:17:41 Speaker 1: Trump didn't like that, and then he blocked this water bill. Yes, the Laura Bobart was behind Lauren. Yeah. Yeah. And then she said, well, this is all about Epstein and other people are like, no, it's all about Yeah. 01:17:57 Speaker 9: Now I doubt Trump is like dig into like Wolf management in Colorado, but. 01:18:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all in Brody's mind. In Brody's mind. 01:18:07 Speaker 9: I think it all comes back to the they have beef. 01:18:11 Speaker 1: They have beef, for sure, Yeah, they have beef. And it's like, hey, we're gonna make your life difficult. And and Polis and Polus's husband are big Wolf supporters. They are, so it could be He's like, I'm gonna stick it to young wolves too now. But he's got in that way though. This has been the state has by and large. If they had called me, I would have said, here's what I think you'll do about wolves, and it would not have been what they did. Yeah. 01:18:42 Speaker 9: That like, they bungled a lot of stuff badly unfortunately, because I have a lot of like love for Colorado Parks and wildlife. They I think they do a lot of great stuff. I just think this wolf thing was but this wasn't them. 01:18:55 Speaker 5: You can't. You can't the architects of this. 01:18:57 Speaker 9: But they got there. They were in charge of of releasing the wolves. 01:19:02 Speaker 1: They liken underdress that look. 01:19:06 Speaker 9: The director of CPW resigned because he was going to get canned over the wolf thing. 01:19:13 Speaker 1: But they did just for you know, I'm telling listeners, you already know the story. There was a there was a ballad initiative. In the ballad initiative, I can't remember the language, but the ballad initiative, when it passed, it set in motion the state agency. 01:19:31 Speaker 9: Yeah, they were. 01:19:31 Speaker 1: They used to make a plan and execute on a plan, and they were very quick to do it. They were. When I talked about the bungling is the world got very complicated for them as well. If you remember, because wolves were walking in from Wyom. It like everything got weird. And then other states were like, and I don't know why this is. Other states like I'm not giving you wolves. No one besides the state agency directors probably will ever know why that decision was made. I think the wild Idaho, Colorado would say I'm not giving you our wolves. 01:20:13 Speaker 9: Not Wyoming, Montana and Idaho. 01:20:16 Speaker 1: Sorry what I said, now, if someone could come explain to me, like what what phone conversation led to them saying We're not helping you out by giving you wolves which we're hunting. 01:20:30 Speaker 9: Well, I mean there had like there has been word out of Wyoming. They're like, we're not gonna help you put more wolves around our borders that can come back and yeah, but like if you put more wolves in Colorado, more wolves go back into. 01:20:46 Speaker 1: What like sure they'll want to get back home. Yeah. So that's and then and then they tried to work with they tried to work with tribal entities they did to get wolves, and then you know, I remember, you know, one was like, hey, you can have some of these ones that were dealing death to cattle. 01:21:04 Speaker 9: But they also the tribal thing didn't work out because they wanted the tribal like wildlife managers in Colorado to be able to have their own management authority over wolves that would end up in Colorado on reservations there, and they didn't agree to that anyway. 01:21:27 Speaker 1: Whether or not, it's like the vindictiveness of the administration and they are I mean, they are some vengeful cats. Yep. Like if that is driving this, I don't know, but I like, sure maybe, but I could picture this becoming an issue because this was a real This has been a sore This has been a sore subject for a lot of agricultural producers in Colorado. And these are people that will have the ear that will have the ear of the administration yep. And basically they're saying, you need to be you need the mandate to call Colorado is you need to operate with a lot more clarity about what's going on and what's your plan and whoever you moved, what wolves are you moved where? And what did they do? 01:22:08 Speaker 9: Yeah, and they've got to provide all that information and those plan details by February eighteenth, So a little over a month from now, we'll have some more information on this. 01:22:17 Speaker 1: Here's the funny part. Here's like another part about why this why their plan is peculiar. Colorado, So they got what do they got right now? Twenty to thirty? I think Colorado's goal is thirty to fifty. They have no mechanism in place. They don't even have a prayer of a mechanism in place to do any population control on wolves right thirty. When you say thirty to fifty, it's like you are just you are baiting. My kids use the term rage baiting, like for me to rage big rand I don't know how about that rage band rand say something to provoke, say sith, I know it's going to pay y'all. Yeah, it's easy to rage bait Randall. I was rage baiting you recently about some issue. I can't remember what it was. I think it was like gender issues around sports participations. I was rage bait and Randall he was sitting right rare, sitting right now, very effectively. I rage baited him. Now, I think when they go and say like, oh no, we just want thirty to fifty, you're like rage baiting wildlife managers because you're like, how in the world, what do you mean you don't have a pathway toward doing any kind of like control. There's no way in the state of Colorado under current regular rules and regulations, under the current administration, Colorado will never stop it at that, will never have a hunt. These are the same people that almost just damn near shut down bobcat hunting, mountain lion hunting. Colorado is never gonna have with this governor, Colorado will never have a wolf hunt. So when they're like, oh, we just want thirty. 01:24:05 Speaker 9: To fifty, they stop. 01:24:07 Speaker 1: But what stops it at fifty? Yeah, it's it's lunacy. It's like you're gonna have the way you have it set up, You're gonna have whatever the carrying capacity of the state is, which is way more than that. 01:24:18 Speaker 9: It's a lot. Considering how many in the state of College. 01:24:21 Speaker 1: It's like you have hundreds. When you say thirty to fifty, it's like, what would get what would give you that number? 01:24:28 Speaker 9: How many? How many are in Montana? 01:24:31 Speaker 1: Do we know seven hundred or something? 01:24:33 Speaker 9: Eightndred, Colorado's got twice as many. 01:24:35 Speaker 1: Elk as Man, don't say bleep that outfiit until we get the right number over one thousand, Okay, that's pretty good. Actually leave it in there. You make that louder. 01:24:47 Speaker 9: Sure, but we'll know more in the month. 01:24:53 Speaker 1: Yep, if they so a couple of things to watch. Here is a again, and I don't know what this will happen. Members of Congress are looking to dlist. This is where it is all. All this stuff gets so tricky. Members of Congress are moving to DLST wolves in the lower forty eight. So the House already has Yeah, so how previous administrations, how wolves have been managed? They've been managed by these distinct populations. So we talked about well, Northern Great Lakes, so the wolves in northern Michigan, Northern Wisconsin, northern Minnesota. We've toyed with do we dlist that little clump or not? And then we had this big conversation do we dlist in. 01:25:42 Speaker 9: Well they did dlist, they did, but I'm saying we used to talk about the wolf habitat as chunks. 01:25:51 Speaker 1: So we've had this long argument about the Northern Great Lakes list or d list. Oh so sorry, d list or not? And then the Northern Rockies d list or not? And it's been a ping pong. In the Northern Great Lakes, they were delisted. Then they were relisted in the Northern Rockies. They were delisted so you could still be fighting about like what about this little chunk of ground, what about this little chunk of ground. Now they're saying, you know what, bro, We're done talking about little chunks. We're talking about the country and not argue anymore about the Northern Great Lakes or whatever. Just like they're like done with it now, and it's like, this is one of the things. This is one of the things where people in wildlife politics, this is one of the things where people go wrong. Is you know Maduro the president of Venezuela. 01:26:47 Speaker 9: I've heard of them right now. 01:26:50 Speaker 1: A few days ago he had a great offer, not if you did prior to him getting detained. He was like like, here, listen, you, your cronies, your family, your henchmen, can go will drop sanctions and you can leave the country and you can go and do be in exile in Turkey. Take it or leave it. He didn't take it. Now, I'm not getting in the legality all I'm saying, they laid it out. He said, nope, not doing it. Now. He's sitting in jail in Brooklyn or Manhattan wherever. Hell. He is my message, my message to my message to people in wildlife politics. You screwed up by fighting the Northern Great Lakes. You've screwed up by fighting those agencies and not delisting in the Northern Great Lakes. You're screwing up by not delisting grizzly bears in the Northern Continental Divide ecosystem and in the Yellowstone the Greater Yellowstone ecosystem. Because what's gonna happen next is you're gonna you have a good offer on the table, you didn't take it. And what's gonna happen next is you're gonna wind up in a jail in Brooklyn, yep. Because they're gonna be like, I'm done dealing with you. Guys. 01:28:14 Speaker 9: No wolves are listening, blanket blanket. 01:28:17 Speaker 1: Because you shoot yourself in the foot by being unreasonable all the time. I don't even know who I'm talking to. 01:28:26 Speaker 7: There are so many. 01:28:28 Speaker 1: Do you follow me? 01:28:29 Speaker 7: Oh, I definitely follow It's. 01:28:31 Speaker 1: Just like you. They should have never they should have never blocked the D listing. 01:28:37 Speaker 5: You're not gonna get into the legality. 01:28:38 Speaker 4: We talked about this already. 01:28:40 Speaker 1: No no legality, here's the deal. But what I meant by that, the legality meaning like, uh, my kid was like, hey, is what they did in Venezuela illegal? And I'm like, anything that happens outside of the country, any conversation about being illegal or illegal is like by what mecham right, by what mechanism, Like, as far as I know, Putin's not incarcerated, right, people like the invasion of Ukraine was illegal, It's like, Okay, what are you doing? We have our who's not in jail? 01:29:14 Speaker 7: Trump's Joe procedure for generally how we enter. 01:29:18 Speaker 1: Into our jurisdiction. Are what the point I was making, I said, the legality of it is like within the US we have a system when when you start talking about global leaders we're like, oh, what what they did in North Korea was illegal? It's kind of like it's just it's academic. It's academic. 01:29:43 Speaker 7: Well, we have international governing Melosovich. 01:29:48 Speaker 1: Okay, tell that to Maduro. What I'm saying is generally, when you're talking about institutional law. 01:29:54 Speaker 8: I know, but when you're talking about when you're talking about global actions, when you're talking about global actions that like nation states that take global actions, and then pundits start talking about. 01:30:09 Speaker 1: I don't even know if this is legal, I just tune it out because I'm like, it's inconsequential. This isn't partisan, I would say. I would say it's like, it's inconsequence. 01:30:18 Speaker 3: I would say it no, not to make it. I'm not making it partisan. But I would say, like a nation that it that is sanctioned by international bodies and they can't feed people. They suffer consequences for doing things that are illegal under international law. It's like there are there are It's when the big guy on the block does it and there aren't consequences, it might still be illegal, but you get away with it. Yeah, but we but international bodies enforce international law all the time. 01:30:46 Speaker 1: When Saudi Arabia, whoever in Saudi Arabe, when they killed the journalist Koshogi mm hmm, people loved pointing out, boy, that's illegal, Like do you think do you think they care. 01:31:00 Speaker 7: Whether something is illegal? 01:31:03 Speaker 2: I don't remember people saying that was illegal. 01:31:07 Speaker 1: It was, but I don't remember. I don't remember. 01:31:10 Speaker 9: We're talking. 01:31:13 Speaker 3: No, but I don't remember the main talking point being that this is illegal. 01:31:18 Speaker 5: Send your correction. 01:31:19 Speaker 1: Here about this, because I don't know this is listen. No one listens to the show for international I don't know. I'm not good at internationals. I'm good at wildlife. 01:31:28 Speaker 5: Talking about. 01:31:30 Speaker 1: I was trying here's the deal. I just made a mistake. I was trying to draw some parallels, and I tiptoed out of my area of expertise by drawing some parallels. The comment I made about the legality is the whether or not, like the legality of US nabbing someone that we have under indictment who happens to lead another country, like I wasn't getting into that. What I was getting at was I was trying to draw parallels between when you when people and this this cut list is like a widespread issue. You have a sweet deal going and you don't take it, then you wind up getting stumng. My message to people who wolf preservationists and grizzly bear preservationists is you've had some very reasonable efforts from your own agency. The US Fish and Wildlife Service has moved to delist wolves in the Northern Great Lakes and for the US Fish and Wildlife Service has moved the agency, the federal agency in that's responsible for the management of the species, has moved to dlist for a very good reason, like because it because they met the recovery objectives. The animal rights organizations through legal action, block those delistings. That generates an enormous amount of hostility. And what you will then find is that people in the political world, people in leadership, are going to say, I'm now done playing around. I'm going around, and I'm doing it this way because I'm sick of these little mm hmm, petty, isolated instant arguments. Agree leaved out of it. 01:33:25 Speaker 3: You make a great if we still had creative names for podcast episodes, that could. 01:33:31 Speaker 6: Be and anybody wanting to know about Wolf de listing could obviously type. 01:33:44 Speaker 1: Because here's the deal man, Yeah, because here's the deal I am. I am a very avid reader of the news, but there's news that I understand the news that I try to understand. I understand wildlife news in America, but I don't understand. I just read it like I like to follow along, but I don't have informed opinion about it. So when I start talking about Venezuela, I would advise a listening to just tune out, don't change, don't listen to something different, but just turn it down. When I start talking. 01:34:21 Speaker 2: On the football, we're no football. 01:34:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, turn it down, no football, turn it up. 01:34:28 Speaker 7: You were like you were on a roll earlier today you're talking about over time. 01:34:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. I tiptoed into some areas I shouldn't. We should beleeve it all out. I tiptoed into some arias where I don't belong. I was just trying to be helpful. I was trying to be helpful some people. I'm trying to be helpful. 01:34:44 Speaker 5: It works. 01:34:47 Speaker 1: Is that it for news today? 01:34:49 Speaker 7: Yeah? We gotta stay tuned for all these things. These are continuing, ongoing issues. 01:34:55 Speaker 1: Let's make a plan then people can listen in on the plan making. How are we gonna really tackle the whole soup to nuts on federal subsistence programming history. 01:35:07 Speaker 9: We need to do a whole episode on it. You got plenty of people we could be talking to from Alaska. 01:35:15 Speaker 1: Like I didn't bring up the anachronism anilka, but a Milka ties into this. We're gonna tackle it because the reason I want this isn't just for people. Here's here's why I want to tackle this. A lot of the stuff we talk about on the show, it's like there's the thing, and then there's the sort of context of the thing, and so all these issues and Danger Species Act stuff, wolf delisting, you know, federal subsistence, Florida bear hunting. They're all these little they're interesting news stories. They're interesting events and occurrences that had happened. But by learning about them, you learn about how the hunting regulars that you live under. Like maybe you live in Indiana, which we haven't talked about today, you'll start to go like, oh, that's why stuff is the way it is where I live. By watching these things come up, and so it's more than just voyeurism of looking in at what's happening in other states, but it's I feel that it helps you better understand wildlife management where you live or where you go. Like the mechanisms at play, the terminology at play, the way that the Feds rub against the states, and they rub against the non governmental organizations and they rub against the and the animal rights lobbying arms, right, it's all. It all helps you put together a national picture of you know, when you go down to a river and you cast a baiting there and a fish bites and you pull the fish in, you go like, oh, that's why that fish is there, or that's why I can't keep that fish m hm. 01:36:53 Speaker 9: Yeah, and some of these saying like the Florida bear hunt, like might not seem like it's a national issue, but it is, like after what's happened in New Jersey and Washington and other places with bear hunting, like I consider it a national thing. 01:37:08 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's national news. Buddy, mm hmmm. All right, everybody. You know what else we didn't get into m the whole shootout in Michigan over Oh yeah, the whole shootout in Michigan over wild boards. 01:37:28 Speaker 9: Buddy deadly Tedy. 01:37:30 Speaker 1: Text about it, but we text a lot about c w D, and he knows that he and I don't agree on c w D, so he likes to inundate me with things arguing his perspective. But because he's he's like, he, yeah, we don't see eyed eye on it. 01:37:50 Speaker 7: Is there any other Is there any hog news coming out of other states? I haven't looked into that yet, Like populations. 01:37:58 Speaker 1: No, I don't know nothing super we're hot that I'm aware of. But the Michigan. We're gonna tell the Michigan. 01:38:03 Speaker 9: Something happened up in Canada. 01:38:05 Speaker 2: We're not still recording, are we, Phil? 01:38:07 Speaker 1: You should probably turn it off, Phil, you turn it off. 01:38:09 Speaker 7: Back, okay, bye see. 01:38:13 Speaker 3: I don't know if no one has their head set on, I have no idea