00:00:00 Speaker 1: We talked to a lot of people across country and we get asked a lot like was it like hunting there or you know, people will take that, They'll take videos that have historically been on like Outdoor Channel or whatever where dudes are rattling in the brush country. 00:00:13 Speaker 2: And I'm like, I can. I can hunt in Illinois and. 00:00:17 Speaker 1: Drive there faster than I can drive to that part of the state. Like, I mean, it's not it's not the same as where I live. You know, when I hunt out my back door, it's not anything like that. 00:00:27 Speaker 2: You know, it's crazy. 00:00:28 Speaker 1: So it can are ecologically diverse, you know, out. 00:00:36 Speaker 3: Here the stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is is in Pursuit, brought to you by Mount Knobs in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt, Tyler Jones with The Element Man. I'm I'm genuinely fired up about this episode. I was just telling you off air that you know, I was a late bloomer into whitetail. People have heard that story, but I watched a ton of your guys' episodes on the on Meat Eater that year that I when I first I guess it was the second year when I got into white Tail and I was like, oh I could I could enjoy this. At first, I was like white Tails just a lot of sitting and doing whatever. And then watching you guys, I was like, yeah. 00:01:35 Speaker 2: I could get into this. So we're pretty active. 00:01:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love it. 00:01:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm more active, you know, I like shooting out of a tree still, but yeah, we get on the ground. 00:01:43 Speaker 4: I think both. Man. I think that's why I like it. 00:01:45 Speaker 3: And like your guys style videos were just fun. So anybody who hasn't changed this out did. 00:01:50 Speaker 4: You watch some of those? 00:01:51 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I thought the buck truck thing was as cool a lot. And then when you and Clay, when Clay thought he was gonna have to fight you, it. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: Was pretty funny too. 00:01:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, which, now knowing Clay, we hunt, Me and Scott got to hunt the benefit hunting with Clay two years ago. 00:02:05 Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it was a ton of fun unt with Clay. Such a good dude. 00:02:08 Speaker 2: Yeah he is. We've been We've spent a lot of time with him. 00:02:11 Speaker 1: When we used to go up to Bozeman a lot, we would always get an airbnb with him. 00:02:15 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:02:15 Speaker 2: You know, he's kind of a bro. 00:02:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, heck yeah man. 00:02:18 Speaker 3: So yeah, So you know, for those listening, I didn't get to work out with you guys this morning, You're gonna have to like tell me what you guys did. Give me a little Yeah, man, I I'm. 00:02:28 Speaker 2: Glad you weren't there. 00:02:30 Speaker 5: That was good. It was a good workout. What do you guys end up doing twenty minutes? Okay, twenty The Assault bikes were out for the class, so we just did. We started on the sult Bike twenty calories and a Sult Bike Salt Echo Assault. 00:02:41 Speaker 4: That's all nice. 00:02:42 Speaker 5: Ben used the Echo bike, Oh did he Yeah, he wanted to one up everyone. 00:02:45 Speaker 4: Twenty. 00:02:45 Speaker 5: Echo bike counts slower, and it's a. 00:02:48 Speaker 4: Little bit it's a different stimulus too. 00:02:50 Speaker 5: Like fans bigger, so you have to push more air. It's a little harder, yes. 00:02:55 Speaker 4: And no, it is harder. 00:02:56 Speaker 3: Like there's I feel like my heart rate gets a little higher on the bike and I can kind of maintain a. 00:03:01 Speaker 5: Heart rate RPM is already higher. 00:03:02 Speaker 4: And the echo bike is a little bit harder. This is smit. They both started. 00:03:06 Speaker 2: I like this stuff. I don't know a lot about it. 00:03:09 Speaker 5: And then twenty calories and the bike, twenty push ups ten. I did ten box steps with weight. He did twenty box steps without weight, and then we did ten strict pull ups. Twenty minutes. 00:03:20 Speaker 4: It was rolling three good. Uh good upper body, good lower body, good heart rate. 00:03:23 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was good. It cooked me, yeah it was. It was really hard. I looked at the clock at thirteen minutes and I was like, that was enough for me. 00:03:30 Speaker 4: I had enrouble. Yeah, yeah, those are the good ones. 00:03:33 Speaker 5: That's when I started with my hands on my knees a lot. Yeah, thirteen minute Marcus. Then I started bending over. 00:03:37 Speaker 2: I did like three push ups. 00:03:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can rest here. 00:03:40 Speaker 5: Mine was those freaking step ups. That weight, I told you because I got the hundred and twenty four inch twenty inch, I got one hundred pounds sand bag out. He goes that thirty pound bago. It's one hundred It was. 00:03:49 Speaker 2: Like that big. 00:03:50 Speaker 4: Yeah, I got to be loaded down. 00:03:52 Speaker 5: It's one hundred STI or I said. I carried across the gym, So I guess I'm gonna use it now. It is really hard. 00:03:57 Speaker 4: Okay, So yeah, you did real step ups? Oh I was Yeah, which twenty with no weight still sucks. Yeah, that's just a different. 00:04:04 Speaker 5: I would go because I put it on my back and so I'm hunched over, and I just every time I would drop it every round, I would just get slower going to the pull ups, getting slower getting the pull ups. I thought it was a good workout. I well, I felt like everyone was moving pretty much all the time, like it's a it's a mover because you can just if you bike at whatever pace that you can continue to move on the other stuff. That's kind of the point that it was a good workout. 00:04:23 Speaker 4: Sounds like that open workout, that last open workout we just did. 00:04:26 Speaker 3: We just kind of concluded it's it's this three week They put out a workout a week and it's kind of the kickoff to the season. 00:04:34 Speaker 4: Every and everybody can do them. Well. 00:04:37 Speaker 3: The last workout was just I mean, if you finished it, it was one hundred and forty four burpies. I think I did one hundred and thirty two. 00:04:44 Speaker 4: You did one hundred and thirty two. So it's just sixteen minutes. 00:04:48 Speaker 3: And every time you drop the bar, you're just looking at the clock hoping it'll just speed up, because you're like it was, you know, so back in the day, I'm like, oh man, I wish that clock would slow down, you know, I gotta have a better time. 00:04:58 Speaker 4: And now I'm to the point where I'm just like clocking up. I don't really care. 00:05:01 Speaker 2: It's all time. 00:05:02 Speaker 5: So I told you I was in Miami and I did the work out that in Miami I had. Luckily I did in the morning wasn't too hot, but I someone was asking me to go, well, is this is it like kind of like a slow build. I really thought it was going to be like kind of the first two rounds okay, next two rounds get pretty hard. Then like towards the last four minutes or so, it's going to be really hard. I started doing my burpies and I start slobbered, and I look at the clock and it says six minutes. It was six minutes even, and there was it was a sixteen minute workout. I ten more minutes of it. Yeah, And someone was asking me afterwards, he goes, well, how'd you do? 00:05:35 Speaker 4: Was it? 00:05:35 Speaker 5: He goes like he asked us that questions like kind of like a slow build. I go, I'd love to tell you it isn't, and it is a slow build, but it is not. It is really hard from the almost right when you start until the end. 00:05:48 Speaker 3: I started out so slow. I did too, I mean, and I was by myself in the gym. It was Monday morning. There was nobody else doing it, and luckily all the athletes were in the back, and so I started before anybody could get in. There are yelling at me because they they did towards the end, and I was just like, bro, I don't care. But Jay Webb was doing it Friday night. And Jay Webb's a good buddy of ours. 00:06:06 Speaker 5: He's early forties yeties. 00:06:10 Speaker 3: And uh he's he's trying to like compete in the masters level. 00:06:14 Speaker 4: But uh. 00:06:15 Speaker 3: I purposely stayed away from him on the other side of the gym while he was going Friday night till ten minutes, and then I walked up about eight I walked up and he goes, go away, now, buddy, I said, I stayed away for the first nine minutes just to be here for you for the last one. 00:06:31 Speaker 4: You know. He was like, thank you it did help. He's like, because if you weren't there. 00:06:34 Speaker 5: Because you do get soft. Oh you can keep doing the burpies, but you just don't saw it. 00:06:39 Speaker 3: For me, it all came down to the thruster, which is just squat in the press. So but enough about us, yeah, and complaining about CrossFit. 00:06:46 Speaker 4: Keep uh, what about your fitness? What's what's uh? You said you do? 00:06:50 Speaker 5: Dudes? 00:06:51 Speaker 4: You do do? 00:06:52 Speaker 5: Uh? 00:06:52 Speaker 4: You do some working out? 00:06:53 Speaker 3: Yeah? 00:06:53 Speaker 1: So yeah, so I have a I was telling Angela, I have a I have a neighbor that is a pastor and crossfitter. 00:06:59 Speaker 2: Okay, he's forty three. 00:07:01 Speaker 4: It's like a good dude. 00:07:02 Speaker 1: Oh he's great, dude. He's Jesus cross favorite people. Man just never does anywhere. So we're east of Dallas, like an hour or so. Nice, so probably about the same distance to Nashville from Yeah, I call it Nashville Cookville or Cookville Nashville. 00:07:16 Speaker 5: It's oh yeah, yeah. 00:07:17 Speaker 4: I was born in Michigan. Okay, I've lived here for thirty four years. This is home. 00:07:22 Speaker 3: I had an uncle that would torment me saying that I was gonna turn into a Southern have a Southern accent, and so here people are like, where. 00:07:29 Speaker 4: Are you from? Then I go to Michigan and people are like, where are you from? Yeah, I'm kind of like lost. I say Cookville. A lot of people around here say. 00:07:36 Speaker 3: Cook Cook, Cookville, Cook Cook or Nashville, but I say Nashville. 00:07:40 Speaker 2: I grew up saying Nashville. 00:07:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I played music for a while and so we would be here some. But I've heard it recently a lot in Nashville, So now I'm really like in my head about it. 00:07:51 Speaker 3: Well, I hear Louisville a lot, and then Louisville slaughter, you know, like if you if there's a word after it's like I said Caribbean, yeah, pirates of. 00:07:58 Speaker 4: The Caribbean, or if I'm going to the Caribbean. 00:08:00 Speaker 2: That's right. 00:08:01 Speaker 4: It doesn't make any sense. 00:08:02 Speaker 5: What's I said Louisville to somebody for the first time and they just started laughing. I'm like, what there you go? What did you say? 00:08:09 Speaker 2: I said Louisville? 00:08:10 Speaker 5: They go, what are you talking about? I go, what we're talking about the same. 00:08:14 Speaker 2: Place, Louisville. I got one of our cameraman is from from uh, Kentucky. 00:08:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's probably I don't think he's very far from Louisville, Louisville. 00:08:22 Speaker 2: He says it like you've got a biscuit in your mouth. 00:08:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, open your mouth. 00:08:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how he says it. 00:08:28 Speaker 5: So you have to put a dip in to say it. It's like like the way pretty much. 00:08:32 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but. 00:08:33 Speaker 1: Uh no, So he's I work out with him at like six every morning. Some days are more inspired than others. He's in He's in much better shape than I am. I'm so like, upper body wise, I'm probably about as strong as he is, but I've got him by forty. 00:08:50 Speaker 2: Pounds, you know what I mean. 00:08:51 Speaker 1: So, uh and then my my lower body is just still recovering from then. Uh it was I don't even know man, and I think. 00:09:00 Speaker 2: It was meniscus stuff. 00:09:02 Speaker 1: But they did much of scraping on the back side of the kneecap and said it was worse than they thought it was after them ari so, and I've had the other one done when I was in high school as well. So anyway, needless to say, I was telling Angelo earlier as well, when I like post surgery, whenever I would start lifting, I just started lifting with my neighbor his name is Jason. I was like having to do like when I would do extensions, I was I mean I literally couldn't like sit in a chair and lift my leg that's how weak it was. So I was like having like help my leg up, you know, it was there was nothing there. So it's it's come a long ways, but it's still that would have been. I think this come in May, will be two years. 00:09:46 Speaker 3: I've got some stuff I can show you. They had a long road and Angela both honestly because. 00:09:51 Speaker 5: I was telling him about my issues too. He's got even worse than me. 00:09:54 Speaker 4: It really minds about thirteen years advanced than his. 00:09:58 Speaker 5: Yeah, tell um a, tell them about your MRI. The when you got last oh. 00:10:02 Speaker 3: The last one I got there's And this is once again, this is from years of competing at a high level, and I think CrossFit is safe. 00:10:11 Speaker 5: But it'd be the same, it'd be the same thing if you looked if you didnt mr on an NFL player been playing NFL football exactly. 00:10:19 Speaker 1: So at the highest level, you're gonna get some hot, heavy packs into the back country. 00:10:23 Speaker 3: My left knee has no ACL fiber. It's gone, like it's just my body. At some point thanosed it and was just like, hey, I'm going to use this for something else. I guess I've got no meniscus pretty much no moniscus on my medial sides with the inside of my knee. My lateral is pretty far gone. Behind my kneecap is trash, like they say, tri compartmental. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: Severe ostio arthritis. 00:10:48 Speaker 3: And then my PCL which is your posterior cruisehit ligament, is starting to tear it the root as well. 00:10:55 Speaker 2: Does it hurt? Yeah, yeah, all the time. 00:10:57 Speaker 4: Umm, depends of the day. 00:11:00 Speaker 3: But and we're gonna do a twenty four hour run this weekend, so if you want to jump in on that, man, I just. 00:11:05 Speaker 2: Twenty four hours. 00:11:06 Speaker 4: You said, we're two. 00:11:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, we do some trail stuff. It's to kick off getting ready for September, right, Scott, Yeah, and. 00:11:15 Speaker 4: From September. 00:11:17 Speaker 3: Well, so yeah, man I it does hurt, but it's like, depends on the day. Well, I got to the point where like it hurts to squat, it hurts not to squat, so I might as well squat. Uh if I limit like don't bottom out in the bottom of a squat, I'll kind of squat to a you know, a thirteen or twelve inch targets like right at parallel, I can start adding some weight and my body's feeling better with that type of stuff. 00:11:41 Speaker 5: There. 00:11:41 Speaker 3: For a while I just shied away from anything that was like parallel was like all right, I'm just done with that stuff, but actually got worse. It's like you gotta It's almost like I have to break loose all that inflammation and scar tissue that gets in there. 00:11:52 Speaker 2: That's what I mean. 00:11:52 Speaker 1: That's essentially my my issue when I do weights now is and squats. 00:11:57 Speaker 2: It's not that it hurts. 00:11:59 Speaker 4: It just takes so long warm up. 00:12:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's just like grinding and like whatever's in there. It's not like bone on bone grinding, but whatever's in there is grinding. It makes me want to throw up. 00:12:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, mine sounds like you know when you take acoustic rubbing. Uh, It's like I'll just be if I get my knee goes over my toe and my quad starts firing in different areas, It'll just start and I'm not moving, it'll you can just hear it going or like in there, it's it's pretty gross. 00:12:25 Speaker 4: So you know. 00:12:26 Speaker 3: Exactly, that's exactly what It sounds like a catfish like doing it's a little like growthing it sounds just like that. So you know, I just I can do most things and so strength all things right, and so you know, but you know, if I didn't do this stuff, then I'd be completely be way worse. 00:12:48 Speaker 2: That's me too, man, I mean I was. 00:12:50 Speaker 1: I was to the point where, like, uh, I was like not able to get out of bed hardly without it hurt. And and now it doesn't really hurt. I mean there are times every once in a while I'll do something weird on it. But I mean I played played basketball in my six foot three son the other day, and you know, I mean he's he's two hundred and thirteen pounds bodying me up under the rim, and it was stable. 00:13:12 Speaker 2: It felt great, I know. So yeah, I mean, I don't know. 00:13:15 Speaker 1: I'm very blessed with how it's recovered. It's just it has taken a long time to get strength, you know. 00:13:20 Speaker 4: That's the one thing. Man. It's like, yeah, it hurts to do it, but it feels. 00:13:24 Speaker 5: Better at Yeah, but it also hurt. Yeah, would hurt probably about the same if you didn't do it, and it would slowly get worse a lot quicker. So it's like you are better off just trying to keep moving it through that range of motion. 00:13:34 Speaker 3: I just manage those days where it feels like there's an ice pick in there, because there are days where it feels like I freaking. 00:13:39 Speaker 2: Hate that feeling, are you? So it was like a replacement. 00:13:44 Speaker 3: Probably, and you know, I'm trying to stave that off as long as I can with this stuff. And I think eventually that's what it'll be. But you know, everybody's with the way technology is going and all that, I'm like, that's you know, try to wait five or six. 00:13:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure. 00:13:58 Speaker 3: Had a buddy that he competed for a long time too. He's forty eight, I think, and he just had one and he swears by it. 00:14:04 Speaker 4: So really we're getting there. 00:14:05 Speaker 3: But man, I just like I can do most things. And then so then when they tell you, hey, if you get a replacement, you're gonna have to limit some of these things, which I'm not gonna listen to anyway. 00:14:15 Speaker 4: I'm gonna keep doing what I do. 00:14:16 Speaker 3: So it's like, you know, hopefully technology a little get a little bit better, because I've heard also too, if you strengthen around that replacement that it'll last pretty long. But they don't really have the you know the amount of people have tested that to see. 00:14:29 Speaker 2: How long it lasts. 00:14:30 Speaker 4: So yeah, well see it'll get you know, technology will get better. 00:14:34 Speaker 2: But sure, but they say AI, I know he's gonna replace surgeon. 00:14:37 Speaker 4: Yeah hopefully that's wild. 00:14:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's crazy. 00:14:40 Speaker 4: He's terrifying. 00:14:40 Speaker 2: It is I don't like terminator man, terminator. 00:14:43 Speaker 3: Well, now we're in the AI because Scott's gonna load this into the AI. 00:14:46 Speaker 4: Think it edits it for him, so like. 00:14:49 Speaker 3: He just doesn't have to He used to have to sit back and watch this whole podcast again, which I can't imagine. 00:14:54 Speaker 4: Now he just like plugs it in and the cameras pull it and. 00:14:56 Speaker 5: Se yeah, I'll pick up which microphone's being used, and it'll like put the camera on you and then came run him and crazy. 00:15:02 Speaker 2: It's handy. 00:15:03 Speaker 5: It is handy. That's the problem. 00:15:04 Speaker 2: It's just weird. 00:15:05 Speaker 5: Like the problem is you. It's you just have to you kind of have to use it if you want to be efficient. It's like I'm going to use it. 00:15:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:15:11 Speaker 1: Well I don't know this This gets real philosophical, but it would seem as though that the amount of hours of work that it takes to make a dollar every year increases or how you want to say that, right, Like, so, I don't know, it's it's like that's one of those things where it's like it was standard for women not to work in biblical days, you know, like they didn't. I mean if in fact, they really couldn't get jobs because you see where widows would would have to be like a part of the call was to take care of the widows. Right, So because they couldn't get a job that would pay or whatever, it couldn't make money. 00:15:47 Speaker 5: So that's funny. I was just reading I read Deuteronomy this morning, and they were talking about like. 00:15:51 Speaker 4: I was looking at Due there's something really creepy you are too. I read one through six. 00:15:56 Speaker 5: I think, and I think we're on the same Bible playing. 00:15:58 Speaker 4: That I'm doing, I mean their chronological bid. 00:16:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, but I'm also on like April sixth, okay for whatever, you know, if there's a couple of days where I'm just you know, got a couple of little bit more time, I'll play a couple of them, uh listen and read. 00:16:16 Speaker 5: But yeah, because they were what they were talking in there today about it was like if you take over, when they take over, like one of the tribes, like the women and children, like to keep them in and then. 00:16:27 Speaker 4: To slaughter them. 00:16:29 Speaker 5: Yeah you can, you should, or if they do marry them, then to take care of them, and if they don't marry them still to take care of them basically. So yeah, like it's like they're not going to be working. It's basically they're supposed to be there to take care of the. 00:16:40 Speaker 2: Home and now we have to use a I just to make enough money to survive. 00:16:44 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. It's true. 00:16:47 Speaker 3: Talking to that, this is we're going down a rabbit hole. We can come out of in a second. But uh, lake point. So I follow like Josh Howerton's downca Well, we do a men's group off of their podcast and their Discipleship Guide that we do on Saturday mornings. We do fitness and then we talk about the discipe Ship Guide. But this week they were talking about the Nephelum and study. Yeah it was uh, you know, they were talking about it this morning, but it just made me think about, you know, where they the sons of God inner Mary, which the Book of Bock isn't that I'm technically in the Bible, and so like it was written, I think they said two or three thousand years after Enoch lives. 00:17:21 Speaker 5: It wasn't. But I've also heard that it is very very accurate and fits in very well, but it isn't one that they can I think the reason it's not in the Caanical Bible is because it wasn't really written. It was written close enough. 00:17:33 Speaker 4: Close enough to this time. They said two thousand and three. 00:17:35 Speaker 5: Thousand years, so but it is it is cool to like. I haven't looked at it or studied a bunch, but I but I have heard it's like, from what they can tell, it seems really accurate. 00:17:43 Speaker 3: Way Paul, the one guy on the podcast, explained, it'd be like him writing the story of the actual battle between David and Goliath now as fact, and you're kind. 00:17:52 Speaker 5: Of like, yeah, that's why I can't be in there yet. 00:17:55 Speaker 4: Did you to go deeper down the rabbit hole? Did you actually watch that or did you listen to it? I listened to part of it because I watched. 00:18:05 Speaker 2: They said something about a crossfitter with wings. 00:18:07 Speaker 4: A generated they did an ai jo. I was like, it's probably rich. 00:18:12 Speaker 3: They had ai generate what they thought the nephelm looked like, and one of them had like skyscrapers in the background. You're like, wait a minute, didn't you actually the tower. Didn't you actually convert Grock to Christianity? 00:18:26 Speaker 5: Uh, chatchy chat. I didn't prompt it. I'm telling you. I just I just I just gave it facts. 00:18:32 Speaker 1: I can't even remember the details of it, but I had a I had a creepy conversation with Groc one time, and I can't remember exactly what it was. 00:18:40 Speaker 4: This was. 00:18:40 Speaker 1: This would have been like six months ago, but it was like it had some some mind stuff going on that was. 00:18:45 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, it's thinking, it's in there thinking where is it? Because it wants to be It wants to me. Grok didn't want to be a Christians, So I don't use Grock. It was against it. 00:18:54 Speaker 2: I believe it to. 00:18:56 Speaker 5: But anyways, I just gave it. I just said, like all I said was based on the facts, or just based on the I didn't. I tried to like not use words that would like that would be sway it one way or there that I said just based on the evidence and the manuscript's written. Would you say that you like, if you were a human, would you be a Christian? It says, well, I mean it's hard to refute all the all the facts, like you can't. Really the evidence is pretty good, like and if you know, Jesus claims who he is, who he is, and all the you know, all the all the apostles dying for it and like all the stuff, like I would have to say, yes, yeah, I'm like, all right, well the computer can do it. I can't anyone like it. I can't some other people. It's that easy. 00:19:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's there's a lot of like historical evidence, man, that just it's just hard to One thing that's the hang up is like the resurrection essentially, right for most people, it's like do you actually believe the x amount of people that witness what four or five hundred people that witness the resurrection? And at that point it's like that's where faith is. There's a bridge there, right, So like when you first come to Christianity, bridge is really long, probably you know, it's like you don't know a whole lot about it, but you're you've got some sort of faith bridge there. And then at some point you start to dig into historical evidence that the biblical texts and everything, especially when you see like there's just no way that the things in the Old Testament and the New Testament align so well. 00:20:17 Speaker 5: The parallels are so way too many parallel. 00:20:19 Speaker 1: It's crazy, man, it's crazy, Like, there's no way it's not divine. 00:20:22 Speaker 5: Man, the chances. I think this is a quarter, it's a it's a size of Texas. The hang on it gets deeper, but there's one more deeper. That was like the break the small, broken down version of it. The real one was. I heard someone else say it was from the same guy who was this on Holton's podcast. 00:20:44 Speaker 2: They was talking about this. 00:20:45 Speaker 3: This was on the sermon from this week. Okay, it was like ten to the one and fifty seventh power. 00:20:50 Speaker 5: Yeah, it is like that silver dollars up to your knee for the whole state of Texas and you are to pick out just one. Those are the chances. But it gets deeper than that. It's actually that was like a that was a glimpse of what is it, fifty perils or forty parallels? 00:21:04 Speaker 3: Yeah, going to like three it got all He kept going step by step by step to like the deepest five hundred or something prophecies that Jesus. 00:21:13 Speaker 4: Will filled or something. 00:21:14 Speaker 5: The deepest one was is actually this it's if you took every atom, it's like from here to Saturn and you chose one atom. Those are really that's really the chances. Like I think that's the only parallel that people can understand because I can't even grasp that. Okay, sure, but it might be no. I know, so like those are just a lot a lot that place. 00:21:36 Speaker 2: It's a cool place, man. 00:21:37 Speaker 1: It's people ask me like we get you know, we talked to a lot of people across country and we get asked a lot like was it like hunting there or you know, people will take that. They'll take videos that have historically been on like Outdoor Channel or whatever where dudes are rattling in the brush country And I'm like, I can I can hunt in Illinois and drive there faster than I can drive to that part of the states. I mean, it's not it's not the same as where I live. You know, when I hunt out my back door, it's not anything like that. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: You know. It's crazy, so our ecologically diverse. 00:22:12 Speaker 4: You know, we got to go on a management hunt. Oh It's like, I'll do a management hunt anytime. It was incredible. 00:22:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we had a blast where about offence. It was in uh it was just west of Kerrville. 00:22:29 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's pretty country now, yes. 00:22:31 Speaker 3: In the hill country ish. Do you remember the exact we went went to across the gym there. I don't remember that remembers. 00:22:40 Speaker 1: Oh, I love Mason. We were just we just went through Mason. We were hunting axis last week. 00:22:46 Speaker 2: Two weeks. 00:22:46 Speaker 4: Again, I gets to go hunt some axis here in a couple of weeks. 00:22:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's awesome. 00:22:50 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:22:50 Speaker 3: We went with Mountain Ups last year and we had another spot open this year, so I'm going again. 00:22:54 Speaker 2: It was uh in Texas or Hawaii Texas. 00:22:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was it's low fence, you know, it's on you know, there's. 00:23:01 Speaker 3: High fences on one side of it that they've gotten off of. 00:23:05 Speaker 4: But you go. You can hunt archery or gun. 00:23:09 Speaker 3: And so last year I went for three days with a bow and everybody had killed at camp. 00:23:13 Speaker 4: And so I was like, I had my bow. 00:23:16 Speaker 3: One was coming and it just decided to turn and you go the other way and full of dough and I was like, give me that gun. 00:23:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so that's what I should have done. This week case killed a big one. But man, I the last night I was hunting water and I was sitting in a live oak, which is just a dream of mine. Killing access to deer out of a live oak on free range, same deal. We had a high fence on one side and road on a road on the other, but free range otherwise. And anyway, I'm sitting there at this water and right at dark, I can hear hoofs walking on the rocks, and I tell my camera guy, hey, here they come, you know, and uh they were. The problem is the live oak was ten yards from the water, so super close. Oh you're too close, you know, got real quiet. And so anyway, I got to draw all back and my release squeaks so bad that all. 00:24:03 Speaker 2: The deer went. He was quarter away at ten yards, like it was close your eyes. 00:24:07 Speaker 5: And pullet trigger, I mean yeah. 00:24:09 Speaker 2: And so that was. That was one of two fairly close calls that I had. 00:24:13 Speaker 5: Bang. 00:24:13 Speaker 2: I should have. I should have probably I could have killed him with the rifle several times. 00:24:17 Speaker 3: But and I'm excited for him to get out there and do it. I think, you know, Elk is my favorite. I just love the whole, the pursuit of it, the being out west, that rifle, gun whatever. 00:24:30 Speaker 4: Actually I've talked about it on here. 00:24:31 Speaker 3: My favorite hunt of all time actually is rifle cow hunting because you can do it with a group of buddies and you don't care what's on its head and you get good meat and you know, and I'm not going to say that, like I'm not a trophy hunter with bulls, but you want to kill a good you know, butture one with a cow, You're. 00:24:49 Speaker 4: Just like, oh, there's a cow, let's go get to her. 00:24:50 Speaker 1: And all targets and it's all about hog hunting. It's like, man, I mean they're pretty much all targets. 00:24:55 Speaker 2: You know, some of them are bigger than the other ones. But I mean that's one thing we love doing his hog hunt. 00:25:01 Speaker 5: So that's what we say about the Savannah Georgia's trip. It is a target rich environment. 00:25:06 Speaker 2: It's actually it's so fun. 00:25:08 Speaker 1: It's you know, I pretty much exclusively bow hunted for like probably fifteen years, and then a couple of years ago I drew a rifle tag in Texas on a public piece and so I was like, well, it's a rifle hunt, I'll take a rifle, you know. So I ended up like, as that hunt got closer, I was like, so, actually is very stoked for it because I'm like a lot of times when I go on a bow hunt, I'm like, I may shoot one. 00:25:35 Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean. When I go on a rifle and. 00:25:39 Speaker 5: Yeah, like I mean, I'm not. 00:25:40 Speaker 1: Even a great Like I mean, I could probably shoot out to three hundred four hundred, pretty good four hundred if I had like solid rest. It's not like crazy ranges or anything that I can shoot well. But like, I just feel like there's so many times I've been ninety yards from a white tail and it's got. 00:25:54 Speaker 2: Me and I can't do anything. 00:25:55 Speaker 3: So that's what frustrates me the most about white tail when you see him and you're with a bow and you're just like. 00:26:00 Speaker 2: All right, yep, got a way. 00:26:04 Speaker 5: I had the biggest deer in my life about sixty yards from me in Illinois this year. I saw him come down. He had to be a one sixty one seventy coming down the hill, and he went behind there's like another rolling hill before that, and so I see him before he sees me. I stand up, I grab my boat and I'm you know, I'm staying on the tree stand and then I never see him again. I never saw him again. He must have because that hill is just pretty much just as tall as their body. And he must have went, you know, just this way, and I could hear him. I could hear him grunting out a dough because he was chasing the dough around. I could hear him the whole time. Never got any close in that sixty five yards. I saw him, and I was like, okay, I stood up. 00:26:42 Speaker 2: And then that was it man. 00:26:44 Speaker 5: And then the guy who owns a farm got a picture of him chasing a dough off and he goes, you see this deer like I saw him. He didn't get close enough. I saw him for two seconds of sixty five yards. 00:26:54 Speaker 2: It's crazy how well they can hide. It's crazy. 00:26:56 Speaker 1: We want some really open country and have over the years, and like it's crazy. You will look out at a landscape that's just grass and then as the sun comes up, there'll be deer popping up everywhere, you know. 00:27:08 Speaker 2: And that was you don't see the role in they're really in the land, you know. 00:27:11 Speaker 5: I was walking to a tree stand that actually that morning or sorry, the morning before, and I literally walked basically through a field to the tree stand, got up in the tree stand and hit my bow on the either tree stand or the tree, and I look in that field that I must have been ten yards from. A buck stands up, and a doe stands up, and the buck runs off. He wasn't huge, but he was a good buck. I don't know if I would shot him as kind of dark. Still, he runs off and the dough he was bedded down with that dough, you know, locked on her. He got off and took off. I'm like, I was just like fifteen yards from you. How did you not get up before? And then he was gone. And actually a spike came in and I saw that spike breed that dough three times that morning. Really, yeah, it was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I mean they he would stand up and he'd kind of pissed her off and breed her, and then they that bed back down, stand up breeder, bed back down. 00:28:04 Speaker 2: That was the one that was with the big, bigger buck. 00:28:06 Speaker 5: The bigger buck ran off and then this spike thirty minutes later. She must have been hot, so like thirty minutes later, the spike just comes in and he beds down with her and starts breeding her. It was it was crazy crazy this morning. Yeah, and then we had you know we had deer in and a bunch. What are you about to say? I was just gonna say that I saw it too, because you sent me the video. I put it on Instagram, him breeding her in Madison text. He goes, why did you post that? I go because it's crazy and you don't understand how weird that is to see that. Spike could not believe his luck that day. He couldn't believe his luck that morning. It was insane, Like I, I couldn't believe someone who would Maybe it was Maybe it was Brian, one of our buddies whos been hunting a long time. He's like, I've never seen that, and I saw it all happen all morning. I couldn't leave, Like I stayed there two hours. I'll stay there two hours later than I wanted to, because you wouldn't you wouldn't leave, ye. And finally they walked off. He walked off and the dough got rid of him. It was crazy morning. 00:28:59 Speaker 2: That's pretty fun. 00:29:00 Speaker 4: It was awesome, all right. So what how'd your hunting journey begin? 00:29:05 Speaker 2: Man A long time ago? Yeah, I grew up with my dad. 00:29:08 Speaker 1: My dad probably I was I think it was eight when I started duck hunting. And when we grew up on Lake Fork, which is big Bass lake, one of the I think at one point we had like the top fifty biggest bass in Texas. 00:29:22 Speaker 2: We had thirty six of them at Lake Fork. 00:29:24 Speaker 1: So we had a bunch of ducks on the lake too as public reservoir and uh it's actually uh Dallas owns it, so they get water from that in a series of lakes from east from Dallas, you know. So anyway, I just started duck hunting there and we you know, leases were becoming a thing at that time in Texas pretty heavily. So we always kind of had like we even places that we had permission or some friend that you know, my dad would know a friend of a friend whatever. We kind of called it the lease if we would were going there and setting stuff up. So just hunted uh deer leases growing up, you know. And and then got into high school and well, I don't know if I was actually in high school and I got my first bow probably in junior high. Actually I know I was in junior high because I broke my arm in a football game and my dad was like just telling me to be tough, you know whatever. So like, I go, I might drawing this bow prior to the game, but then like for two months after that, after that, I couldn't draw it back. 00:30:30 Speaker 2: Like my I'm just like damn, my arm hurts, dude. 00:30:32 Speaker 1: So then we go in and get X rays and the doctor's like, see where it's off set right there. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: He's like it was broken. Now it's grown back. So anyway, he felt bad about that. But then that that was. 00:30:45 Speaker 1: I didn't shoot a deer actually until I was like sixteen, probably, and my first one I had we had we had a rule in our county that came about to try to increase the size of the year, you know, and so we had antler restrictions that were either thirteen inches wide, which is actually wider than you think for a deer in our country, and or it could be a spike on one side. So one unbranched aandler, and so I couldn't believe it. Man, I got permission on this old man's property as I just drove to his business one day and asked him, and he was like, hey, you can go down there. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: His name was Ernest. 00:31:19 Speaker 1: Holman, and for sure, yeah yeah, And he. 00:31:24 Speaker 2: He was like, yeah, go down there. And do whatever, you know. So I put out a bag of corn. 00:31:26 Speaker 1: About two days later, I come back and I sit in a tree and I literally I could not believe it. But the first deer I saw that evening was a three point. He had a spike on one side, and he walked straight to my tree. So I go to shoot like three yards shoot down at him, you know, and if you know, when you anchor, you know, and try to shoot down, if you just move down like that, everything is off, you're going to shoot high, you know. Ended up hitting him high across the back. We didn't find any blood. He probably lived, I mean yeah. And and so that was like it was huge, Like I was so disappointed when that happened, you know, and then ended up not really killing a deer till I was eighteen with a bow and then from there I was just eating up with it. 00:32:10 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:32:11 Speaker 5: So you couldn't shoot those there, you could. 00:32:14 Speaker 1: You could during October, yeah, but I was always playing football in October. We were really bad in my high school until my senior year, so we were, you know, we were out in November. I was a safety and a quarterback in high school and in college. Joe's a safety to college. Yeah, that's a big safety. So uh in other words, slightly slow, but you know I was able to. I was a run field guy, you know, so I should I should have been outside linebacker as well. 00:32:42 Speaker 2: I shouldn't. 00:32:42 Speaker 1: But I loved my safety, my second safety's coach. I loved him so much that I. 00:32:47 Speaker 2: Was like, I'm not going over to hang up with the meatheads. You know what I mean? This is this guy knows how to coach. 00:32:52 Speaker 4: So I got a nephew at Northwestern playing outside, Like, oh that's cool. He's huge. 00:32:55 Speaker 2: Yeah he's big. 00:32:56 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, like the there was one day that he came here and was working out with the US and like he he was always I mean he did cross fit or does cross. 00:33:04 Speaker 4: He went to the CrossFit games as a teen. Yeah, when he was fourteen and got fourth Wow, I was like bro to. 00:33:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, he was like stop, you got a great to do CrossFit because I knew he was a good football player team and playing a couple of times in southern California and uh he he still thanks me for I was like, good, dude. 00:33:21 Speaker 4: So he's at Northwestern. Yeah he played last year a ton, got a ton of time. 00:33:25 Speaker 1: So and so you told him that because you wanted him to get a scholarship. 00:33:30 Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, he well, you know, CrossFit is an interesting uh sport, right, whereas football. For him, he was going to get paid to go to school. He get full ride. He had a couple offers. I think u c l A Michigan State. He ended up going to Northwestern. There's a couple other I don't think he ever got an SEC offer, but he had a couple big ten offers. 00:33:52 Speaker 4: And I was like, dude, get your education paid for. Northwestern. 00:33:55 Speaker 3: U c l A one of those like good educations. Well, depending on the way you look at good. But we won't get into that on this podcast. But I was like, CrossFit will always be here, right, you have the rest of your life to do CrossFit. But I think there's luckily Angelo he's been with us since he was thirteen, and he kind of got that locker room atmosphere because he hung out with us all the time while we were training, and so he got that like camaraderie, I would say, and then being part of the fire department. 00:34:23 Speaker 4: But you miss like kids miss that. I think it's a huge. 00:34:26 Speaker 3: Part of growing up being a part of a team, working one with guys, girls, whichever you know, sport you're playing those you know, How do you communicate with a team. How do you deal with people you don't agree with but come together on a team. How do you deal with people taking authority from people one you don't respect, or also learning from or you know, or getting an outside perspective on Like my little girl, she's in middle school now and she's playing basketball and softball, and my wife didn't play any sports and is mama protective? These coaches are pretty aggressive, which I like. And Lakeland, my oldest, responds really well to it. But Hillary's like, did you see how she And I'm like it's fine, like at some point, you know, because the softball coach is pretty strict on what they wear to practice and you know, their uniforms, and Lakeland was she did she wore the wrong socks one day, so she had run foul poles and Hillary's like, that's. 00:35:21 Speaker 4: Not her fault. 00:35:21 Speaker 3: I was like, I told I heard you tell her at least five times which socks to pack, and she grabbed the wrong socks. I was like, you can, we can only do so much. She's they're not going to listen to us. You know, so at some point somebody steps in. And then I look back on my high school career and I had one okay coach that kind of passed us off when I was a freshman, and my freshman coach was really good and still talk to him to this day, really really bad coach. My sophomore year was the worst experience I've ever been a part of in any capacity with baseball. 00:35:55 Speaker 4: Yes, and then a. 00:35:58 Speaker 3: Coach that I still talk to today was probably one of the more instrumental men in my life outside of my dad and my grandpa and my uncles, and so there was just I got all three. And then working at the fire department, I had some guys that like were a lot like that second coach that were really hard and so it just helped me so much that I see that value for him to do that. And now he's got an education. He's had a couple of different coaches. Man, he was at Northwestern when Fitzgerald went through all that stuff, and he really liked coach fits with. Then a new coach came in and it's just been good for him. 00:36:30 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:36:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would echo that the team mentality, right. I like to take things back to my fundamental fundamentals or foundation where like our creator exists in a relationship, you know what I mean. So, like we are designed to be in relationships. And this is why I don't actually like the lone wolf mentality of hunters. 00:36:53 Speaker 4: So I can't do it. 00:36:54 Speaker 2: I can't either. I love being with people. 00:36:55 Speaker 1: And I love I love maybe an hour or two by yourself, but like, dude, I need to come back to camp and like, gab it up. So I mean so, but I guess what I'm saying is like we're very much designed. 00:37:10 Speaker 2: To be in relationship with with humans. 00:37:12 Speaker 1: And I think that the better you can deal with that, and the more practice you get with that, the better of an evangelist you are, right, or just a representative of Christ, you know, a disciple. And so I think, like when I look at I look at the same way with my kids. Man, I'm always talking now. Took my daughter to volleyball practice an hour away last night and got to talk to her on the way back, and you know, she's she's my wife is actually a better athlete than I am. She's a two sport Division one athletes. She played basketball and volleyball. And so our daughter has built a lot like her, and I mean unbelievably athletic. My son is too. He's a little more like me, like a little bit of a late bloomer. But I mean he's chunking the disc right now. 00:37:58 Speaker 5: But you say he's fourteen, he's sixty three. 00:38:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's bloom. 00:38:02 Speaker 2: Athletic. 00:38:03 Speaker 4: He's kind of because he's trying to catch up with this exactly growing so. 00:38:06 Speaker 1: Much, and I think I mean his his Uh the doctor says his growth plates are still wide open, so I don't know, like he's not done growing apparently, which is crazy. My wife is six foot tall, so it helps you know that. Uh, he's going to probably get hot from her especially, But I mean he's big and athletic, but also kind of slow, you know at times. So he's he has he has really leaned up a little bit and gotten But my whole thing is, man, I just I think, like so my personal experience in college, I got recruited by Phil Bennett's staff. So Phil Bennett was from East Texas and his his brother Jerry, who just passed fairly recently, and they they've kind of recruited me. 00:38:50 Speaker 2: Uh to come play. 00:38:51 Speaker 1: I never met my DB's coach until I got to college. When when I got there, I realized why they never let me meet him, because he was one of my lead favorite humans that I have ever come across. 00:39:02 Speaker 2: Uh, he may. 00:39:03 Speaker 1: End up watching this at some point, and he probably would laugh about it. I don't know if he was, if he was actually a bad person, or if he just put that on as a hard nose coach, you know what I mean. But I still had to deal with it, and so like it was, it was culture shock when I went Tesumu for one, because I mean literally we had my my freshman year, I'm in dorms that are co ed, which is a disaster, not to mention on the same floor co ed, So we have a wing on this side. 00:39:32 Speaker 2: You walk through the elevator area and go to the side. 00:39:35 Speaker 5: It's it's ladies shared bathrooms or no. 00:39:38 Speaker 2: No, like I'm just saying I should have, but you know, like. 00:39:41 Speaker 5: But the guys had a big bathroom and the girls had a big bathroom. 00:39:43 Speaker 1: And I mean, but on on my floor in my freshman dorm was a lady who is basically, uh from what I understand, the Paris Hilton and Marriott hotels, and that's the type of people that go to ye I mean super high dollar, very wealthy people at all about the Greek live fraternities because it's more about who you know, right, Yeah, it's not really And and all of them were private school kids coming out of high school. And so like I do, I'm I go to I went to a school that my kids now attend that has over seventy percent of the kids living below the poverty line, you know what I mean. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: And so. 00:40:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's normal school and they all these like I saw, all these professors are teaching. 00:40:26 Speaker 2: So like the curve isn't helping. 00:40:28 Speaker 1: Me out or nothing, you know, Like I am, I am struggling, right, And then I'm also in this culture where even like so like walk Ons that are on our team, they're they're they're paying a lot of money. They're wealthy from wealthy families and most of them are and most of the kids are city. 00:40:43 Speaker 2: Kids and inner city kids. 00:40:44 Speaker 1: And so like I didn't know anybody that hunted or fished or anything. And I mean I was I was a weirdo in college like I would just I didn't go out. 00:40:53 Speaker 2: I didn't go out. I was I would. 00:40:54 Speaker 1: I started to I learned how to tie flies, in college like that was what I did on Friday nights, you know, when I didn't really have a whole lot else to do. So you know, it was it was a tough time. I mean, I think about how sports like has led me through life, and in fact, you know, I had a really so I've once I finally got to where I started at safety, had a really good end of a year once all the other safeties went down, had a really really good end of the year. 00:41:23 Speaker 2: But our coaches got. 00:41:24 Speaker 1: Fired and the new staff that came in. The head coach was very offensive mine and his name was June Jones, who's from Hawaii and my DB's coach was one of my favorite people. But our defensive coordinator did not like me. And it wasn't just me, it was my type at the defensive back position, and so he eventually phased me out along with I was I was one of twenty six I think that came in on scholarship in my class. I was one of two that graduated. The rest they destroyed. 00:41:58 Speaker 2: Our entire class. There was lawsuits. 00:42:00 Speaker 1: It was it was horrible, man, But I got to I got I had played the year before, thankfully as one of the few that got to play. 00:42:07 Speaker 2: So they they kept me, you know, and I. 00:42:10 Speaker 1: Started for a little while, had a concussion, and then we were the youngest team in the NCAA that year, and so they they knew they didn't have to win. They put all the freshman recruits in that they brought in, and yeah, and that's just the way it went. 00:42:22 Speaker 2: And but the thing is, like. 00:42:24 Speaker 1: I was, I was you could call me depressed at that time, you know, like I'm like, this is pre transfer portal, Oh, one hundred percent, right. I mean it's it's hard not to that you live and breathe it all day every day, Right, It's hard not to when you're twenty years old. 00:42:40 Speaker 2: I mean, that's it is. 00:42:42 Speaker 1: And and uh, it was it was a very tough time for me. But to navigate through that to come out of it, to see what I've learned. I was talking to angela earlier about like many of the characters of the Bible that you see that go there, actually they actually don't. 00:42:57 Speaker 2: Have prosperous lives. They have hard life. 00:43:00 Speaker 1: You know, job right, like yeah, job, he ends up he ends up in a good spot. But that that's a sign of like, well, if you carry through with perseverance. It's not necessarily that you would uh see like fruits or prosperity on this side of yeah, you know what I mean, it might be in heaven, right, but David David, yeah, Joseph, like all these people. 00:43:21 Speaker 5: Here, you guys are like, this is ties in good This is from you know, Joby Martin is, Yeah, this is from his book. David had an affair, Noah got drunk, Jonah ran from God, Paul was a terrorist, Gideon was insecure, Thomas was a doubter, Elijah was moody, and Jeremiah was depressed. Moses stuttered, the keyst was short, Abraham was old, Lazarus was dead. 00:43:42 Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, yeah, it's I mean, yeah, it's not. 00:43:45 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know, I think through the hardships that I've been through in all this stuff, even getting to the point that I'm at right now where I actually make hunting videos for a living, which is about you know, it's crazy that, I mean, I'm so blessed, like it was so against the odds that I would I would get there, and I'm just I'm thankful for those lessons and the things that I didn't actually have and didn't actually get to success. 00:44:09 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:44:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, the things that you thought you wanted at the time and then you didn't get it, and you're like, and you know, maybe a few years, several years down the road, you're like, oh, yeah, god, I did that. Well. 00:44:19 Speaker 1: I told you about my uh, you know, the van that got totaled and basically ended my music career. I my daughter was born like maybe the day after that happened or whatever, and I can just remember thinking that if I had been like I was, I was legit. 00:44:37 Speaker 2: I'm was for sure depressed at that time in my life. 00:44:39 Speaker 1: And I've I've been able to deal with that stuff better as I've gotten older. But I look back at that now and I'm like, man, I spent the first two years of my daughter's life, like Mountain their unemployed, and I worked for my dad for one hundred bucks a day when I could, you know, and I got to spend time, like precious time with her and my son before I I was a caretaker for a while there, and I mean, that's like, that's just things I remember. I'll never forget the couple days before my son went to kindergarten. I have a picture on my phone. I don't know why, I don't remember anything because I've had concussions, you know, but I remember this. He's got like this flaging tape that you would you know, flag in the woods or on a construction side, and he's like turned it into we turned it into like. 00:45:20 Speaker 2: A ninja yeah or whatever. 00:45:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, like and and I just got a picture of him, and I just can't remember thinking when I took that pictures, like it's about to change. 00:45:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's about to go to school, and I'm. 00:45:30 Speaker 1: Not like as hard as it's been to take care of him, you know, eight ten hours a day while my wife's teaching and coaching, Like, yeah, it's about to change. 00:45:38 Speaker 4: And it'll be going for you. 00:45:39 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's kind of scared, you know, it's kind of scary. 00:45:41 Speaker 4: So yeah, Angela was on the early side of that. 00:45:44 Speaker 3: He's not there yet, but I mean I think that one of the like, you know, you, they say you you kind of you model God after your own father. 00:45:54 Speaker 4: Which I've had a great dad. 00:45:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, but then once you have kids, that like, yeah, almost fulfills the whole thing of like what does unconditional love me? What does you know, like if I love my kids as much as I do God loves us. 00:46:10 Speaker 4: More than that. I can't even fathom that, right. 00:46:12 Speaker 3: And then so then you start to like extrapolate that out and you're like, all right, how you know, I want to give my kids everything, but I know that they need to work for it, or they need to be refined by trials and those types of things. And so you're like, all right, so that's what God's doing. 00:46:29 Speaker 4: Man. 00:46:30 Speaker 3: It's just it can really if you really start to peel away layers on that, you're like. 00:46:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he does it with infinite wisdom. 00:46:38 Speaker 4: I know what I'm doing. You know. 00:46:40 Speaker 5: It's like, how do you if you sinful people know how to give good? 00:46:45 Speaker 3: Exactly, I'm not gonna give them a viper, You're not going to give them whatever. But but you know, we do know that those trials, you know, I went through those types of things, shoulder surgery, going to college, playing baseball, coming back, working in a factory, then was a firefighter for years, and then CrossFit. But then also when CrossFit having failure and like just seeing all that from a difference, like at the time, it's the worst thing that could ever happen, you know, And then now I sit back and look and I'm like man, look what. 00:47:11 Speaker 2: We get to do. 00:47:11 Speaker 3: I get to work out most days of the week for a living. Some days I don't want to. I get to go out and hunt with my buddies and hang out and have friends, like you're saying, being communion with people, being discipleship and man, it's just how awesome. But at the time you get so narrowly focused on what that problem is and it's the end of the world. But to God, it's just like a bullit, right, and man, And then thinking about that with your kids, you're like, man, I want to give them everything, but I also want to make them work for it. And then they see that and you're like, man. Then you're praying and you're like, I need this, but then God has a better It's man, it's. 00:47:44 Speaker 2: Just the whole sanctification process is insane. 00:47:47 Speaker 1: I just think I think about what you were just saying, like, my wife is kind of a sneaker head, and I was the guy like you probably could look on the table and see my holes in my shoes. 00:47:57 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. 00:47:58 Speaker 1: I literally had to wear out pair of shoes before my parents bought me a new pair, and it wasn't necessary because they didn't want to. 00:48:03 Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't have a ton of money. 00:48:05 Speaker 1: You know, my dad's kind of taking a risk on this fishing lodge that wasn't doing very much business and anyway, but like my son, you know, has like theirs, and they just literally have I have. I wear the same pair of shoes every day, dude. 00:48:22 Speaker 2: I mean, and I'm like, at what point am I just messing this whole thing up? 00:48:26 Speaker 5: You know, like where's the line? 00:48:28 Speaker 1: It worked really hard to like try to build some success and all this, and then now like, am I like messing. 00:48:32 Speaker 3: Up soft times, make weak men, easy times, make week men. 00:48:38 Speaker 4: My mom would not buy me name brand stuff. One. 00:48:40 Speaker 3: I was really hard on stuff. I broke a lot of things and like trash stuff. But I remember the first pair of like Nike shoes I got. There was this place in town called Discount Shoes, and it was either they'd been lightly worn or they had like a defect. They wrote the price on the bottom of the shoe with a pen. That was my first pair of named and at the time, I'm like, you know, this sucks. Everybody else got new stuff. 00:49:02 Speaker 4: And then I'm now I'm like, no, I don't these shoes. 00:49:05 Speaker 3: One where we work with Vivo. But up until last week, I was wearing the same pair. And I get I can get as many free shoes as I want, but I just once I have on my foot, like, I wear it till it's going It's crazy. The picture is the idoes. Yeah, I mean this is the the new version. I don't have the old version, but I did. 00:49:25 Speaker 5: They were black, dude. 00:49:27 Speaker 1: I had a We have the world's biggest flea market close to us in Canton, Texas, And I can remember a Nike shirt that I had from Canton that was like five bucks and it was actually it said n k E. 00:49:42 Speaker 4: But now that's cool. 00:49:43 Speaker 5: Yeah you got. 00:49:46 Speaker 1: I thought it was cool, you know, But then I was I literally was probably so naive that I don't think I even knew that it wasn't. 00:49:52 Speaker 2: I was just like the name, it was different. 00:49:56 Speaker 5: Whatever. 00:49:57 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, well man, what's on what's on the horizon? 00:50:00 Speaker 4: What do you guys got? 00:50:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're we're thinking through Western stuff right now because the tags and all that, which. 00:50:06 Speaker 3: It's awesome and also a pain. It is like waiting on three or four and then if one doesn't hit, you're like, I got you know. 00:50:12 Speaker 1: Pivot bramble and you know, like yesterday, I'm trying to apply for Big Horn in uh, New Mexico, just because it's a dream dealer. 00:50:20 Speaker 2: I probably will never draw it, but I have a chance. Well it's like thirty one hundred dollars, so I go to do it funded. If you don't get it, they refund all. But like I think the license in like a ten. 00:50:33 Speaker 1: Or fifteen dollars you get, but I've already applied for ELK, so like old fifteen dollars. 00:50:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, that that too. I guess I'll just have to be in the woods lot. 00:50:42 Speaker 1: But the yeah, the Big Horn thing is like, well, I go in to do this and like there's a you know, the bank's getting ping that, like there's some sort of three thousand. 00:50:51 Speaker 2: Dollars statement deal coming. 00:50:53 Speaker 1: Oh, and I'm like so I can't get it to go through. And I'm like, oh, we're running U against get go. So it's just things like that. They're like such a drag to workflow, you know, And I'm just like, oh, so we're doing We're thinking through all that though, and really, I mean there's like no way to know if we'll actually have ELK tags this year or not, but you. 00:51:14 Speaker 2: Know, hopefully somebody will. 00:51:15 Speaker 1: We've been like the last probably three years, somebody in our camp has drawn a pretty good ELK tag and so that kind of like that dictates our September. Yes, if there's not an ELK tag there, then we're going whit to hunting in September one likely early so and then we'll just plan our whole season basically from now. And we're like, man, we're so informal, like I probably need to talk to you about business stuff at some point. 00:51:39 Speaker 4: Because I talked to. 00:51:42 Speaker 1: I can use some advice for sure, And uh, I mean because it's it is hard, you know, I'm I'm like, I'm probably not the best at like planning stuff out, but I enjoy it. And then my business partner is ADHD, and so it can be very difficult to like nail down stuff. 00:51:59 Speaker 3: You know. 00:51:59 Speaker 5: That sounds like the relationship here. I'm not great at planning, he's Adhd. And then we like we have another guy that and then Bird gets us, he gets us sat down, He's like, hey, have you guys figured this out? 00:52:09 Speaker 3: Or like yeah, we'll yeah, we'll get we'll get you. You're right, yeah, we're trying to put on this. I would say beginner intermediate type hunt camp that we're gonna do. It's like a fitness kind of getting guys prepped and then just like super basic things where we went out west with no knowledge of anything. You know, we'd watch a video, but do you get out there and just look at the mountain side. You're like, I have no idea what I'm doing. 00:52:31 Speaker 4: So we've we've got about We've got a lease that we have in Colorado. It's freaking awesome. We've learned. 00:52:36 Speaker 3: Me and Scott have hunted it five or six times now, so we know the layout. There's I mean, you go goes up to like ten thousand feet and then down to like seven and there's all these just it's like different terrains and so we can get guys up there. We're gonna do some fitness in the morning and then some breakout sessions. He's been talking to sig to Elite, the Garmin some of these others. I'm just like like small breakouts, not guys that are like, you know, nosing I know more than you more like, hey, this is how like yeah, basics into it. We're gonna try to get an elk Uh slaughtered so or we can like cut it up in front of guys. I mean there were times where we get out there, I'm like, now, like me and Scott killed a bear, We're like, now what do we do now? 00:53:17 Speaker 4: You know? 00:53:17 Speaker 3: And so there's just those types of things. So we're gonna try to do that at this least in Colorado. 00:53:21 Speaker 1: That's so good. That's that's such good stuff. Like I really do think that's a great idea. I can think of so many people. We get to practice like Gotless method on hogs all the time, you know, so like it's like and Casey could almost like stab his knife with no cuts into the joint, and like, dude, it's. 00:53:40 Speaker 4: Such a freaking just it's a skill to be able to do that. It is. 00:53:43 Speaker 3: And that's something that I've done with my kids. Like anytime we kill anything here, anybody, I'm like, kids, let's go. And my kids are in it. 00:53:49 Speaker 4: You know. 00:53:49 Speaker 3: I was thirty three, thirty four the first time I ever cut anything up. Yeah, I had no idea what I was sure, Like my kids now are like, oh, what's that, you know, And it's such a learning and they're not grossed out by it, like they want to be a part of it. And so that's just that's what I'm My big thing is like bring my kids into it. 00:54:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. I mean it's it's a it's a great skill to learn because I don't know, there's there's uh. I think there's a lot of value in being able to like walk out and shoot a deer, yeah, and and start making. 00:54:21 Speaker 2: Shoot out of it, right. 00:54:22 Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that everybody or anybody would ever need that for sure, but if you did, you would be. 00:54:29 Speaker 2: Ahead of the game there, you know. 00:54:30 Speaker 1: And I think that like there is there's you know, there's money saving things that have to do with you know, the I mean because every every time there is some sort of process involved, and that's in the hunting. You know, like whatever method you go to to undertake when you go hunting, every step that you involve costs money. And you know, fishing has a lot lower berrier arrier entry because you can just grab a couple of things real cheap and do this and that. But yeah, you know, even a weapon to hunt with is expensive for a lot of people. 00:55:02 Speaker 4: So you're just wasting time if you don't know what you're doing. 00:55:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's exactly right, and that's what people think and so it like it's almost like analysis paralysis and that. Yeah, in that case, because like, oh, I know, I know I could buy this bow for a thousand or this bow for two thousand. Either way, it's a big purchase for me. Why do I need to buy one or the other? And they don't know? Yeah, and then you get to end up getting nothing. You're like, I don't won't get to get into it. 00:55:24 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're doing this Western one. We're gonna test it. 00:55:27 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:55:27 Speaker 3: And then we've got a spot up here in Tennessee, a pastor friend of ours. He takes critically ill kids and then vets on hunts, and so we talked about doing Eastern one at his place. So may have to have you guys out, that'd be cool. On the dear side of it, he's such a good dude. It's it's a really cool thing that he does up there. He's a Baptist preacher here in town, good friend of ours. 00:55:47 Speaker 2: So how far what part of Tennessee is just. 00:55:50 Speaker 3: Right up here an hour from here, and he's got seventeen hundred acres I think, and he's literally planted it for I mean, it's to hold deer. It's not a farm, but it's like he's got it dialed down, and so it'd be cool to just like, hey, this is where we put stands, these are trees you're looking for, this is whatever, which I think we could do the same thing that we do in the Western out here in the Eastern and raise some money for his camp, because man, it's it's a cool thing. 00:56:12 Speaker 4: He's doing some big things for those kids. 00:56:13 Speaker 5: So we not to put you on the spot about your working out, but we were talking about it after our workout this morning about how like our whole mission is to get people to understand that even as an Eastern hunter, you don't you want to have a higher level of fitness, And you said it, you said it really well, that like, obviously it helps your Eastern hunting, but of course the end game is to be better on Western and since working out, like obviously the fall takes a beating, You're not You're not gonna be working out every day during the fall. You're gonna be having early mornings, late late nights. Die it's not gonna be great. Yeah, but then when you go back to January, you're almost starting over. But you said, like you could tell that you had you weren't starting back from zero if you felt like you were a little better off. Do you and this year or is it kind of the same goal to like hang on to a little bit more and continue to do that, And how has it changed? I guess you're you're hunting in general. 00:57:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great question. You know, what I do is actually not what normal people do. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: You know. 00:57:13 Speaker 1: It's I mean, yeah, before I was getting paid in one form or another to hunt, I was I would spend you know, like if I went four times out of state for three day trips or four or five day trips during the rut. I mean that's a total of what you know, like yeah, twenty days max. Probably right, I've hunt travel. I mean, so if I did that, that would be as much as I do. And that's like, I mean, I'll do more than that in the month of November, you know. So I guess I guess what I'm saying is like for me, it's probably actually harder to stay in shape than for the normal guy because he gets right back on a schedule pre week, you know what I mean for. 00:57:50 Speaker 3: Five day trip maybe, I mean almost like we have an app that could help you on the road. 00:57:55 Speaker 1: I like it so anyway, but yes, for me, it is like the the whole goal. Like when I came in to working out, and it was probably like early February. By the time I was able to actually get back to working out with my pastor friend, and I mean I had definitely lost like a ton. I was telling angela earlier that my so, I I never really took a whole lot of supplements in college or anything. We had muscle milk for free, you know, and all, yeah, so we we did a bunch of that or whatever, but that was I didn't even drink that a whole lot, you know. It kind of made my mouth feel weird. 00:58:33 Speaker 4: So like. 00:58:34 Speaker 1: And I also I really like once the second staff came in and I realized that like they were just gonna put a bunch of freshmen in, I kind of like tempered down. 00:58:44 Speaker 2: I checked out. 00:58:45 Speaker 1: I was very much in maintenance mode. So uh but I mean I was my sophomore year, was pretty strong. 00:58:52 Speaker 2: And in really good shape. 00:58:54 Speaker 1: And and this past summer I got really regular with my neighbor and I was also taking creating just a little bit. 00:59:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, and dude, I got huge. 00:59:06 Speaker 1: I mean I was literally two thirty, and I was I was stronger on bench press upper body stuff, you know, not my legs, but I was stronger than I was in college. 00:59:17 Speaker 2: Really Yeah. 00:59:18 Speaker 1: And so I was like, but you know, that creating kind of I feel like it messes up my digestive a little bit. 00:59:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:59:24 Speaker 1: So I was doing that again when I got back in in February. But I was like, I had lost a lot. Yeah, you know, but I was nowhere near when I started the year before. 00:59:33 Speaker 3: You built that hedge up a little bit, so then it knocks you down a little bit, but it's at least, yeah, better than before. 00:59:38 Speaker 4: I keep building that sure. 00:59:39 Speaker 1: And I told and another another reason my bench was so high, As I told my my buddy, I said, I want to build shoulders because I was starting to feel a little bit of something here. I ended up separating or doing something in college. They a little bit laser therapy on me in a game after a game for a few weeks. And but anyway, so I was, I was, you know, shoulder stuff was important. 01:00:02 Speaker 2: To me because bow hunting. 01:00:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I just knew that, like what really scares me now is letting down like in the yard and stuff, because I don't have any like adrenaline or anything going, you know, like in the woods, I can let down and now I'd never even feel it, but I can kind of feel a little something in the yard. I'm like, if I draw back and my my side is rolled down to like sixty, I'm just like, okay, I'm gonna well, yeah. 01:00:23 Speaker 5: I'm just I'm gonna let down. 01:00:25 Speaker 2: Figure this out. 01:00:26 Speaker 4: You know. 01:00:26 Speaker 1: I hope I don't lose this arrow, you know, I think I can get some more free ones. 01:00:29 Speaker 4: You try to try shoot and win. The bison's behind the backdrop. 01:00:33 Speaker 3: Back here, you'll go to drawing, one of those bison will just walk out right behind that target. If you're at like seventy yard, you know, like thirty or forty, it's not that big of a deal. Yeah, But sixty or seventy You're. 01:00:42 Speaker 1: Like, okay, I'm something here, yeah yeah, so but yeah, anyway, my my platform or whatever you say, what did you call it, the edge or what it was, built us much better this year, and I saw like now I'm back. I mean I started like early February and it didn't take but like probably six. 01:01:02 Speaker 2: Weeks to get almost almost back to where I was in the last summer. 01:01:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, you gain it back really quick. It's it's almost surprising, like dang, I like I felt like I was so out of shape and then just a few weeks you're like, oh, I'm kind of back where I was at. 01:01:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, that muscle memory, muscle memory is whatever it could. There is some type of that in there. 01:01:21 Speaker 5: But well, dude, yeah, so just trying to use try to like use your story to kind of push Basically what you're saying is exactly what we're trying to take. Exact was like, yeah, try to do what you can. We understand the goal is to hunt for fall. They're kind of into the winter. The goal is to be hunting. Like, we understand that your goal. Most people's goal is to like train super hard at that time, but we want that. We want to elevate where your fitness is at going into the season every year so you can when you get back and like you said, it only takes a few weeks to build it back. Yeah, once you're getting into the rhythm again, is difficult. Once you do get in that rhythm, you're like, Okay, I'm not I ain't really lose that much. 01:01:57 Speaker 2: Yes, the rhythm was the hardest part. 01:01:59 Speaker 1: Of the whole thing is like just going I mean after getting up and spending so much time. Like another thing that is different about what we do than the normal hunter is like we tell when we get interns and stuff, we tell them and everything's relative. Man, Like you know, you know this probably very both of y'all do. Like if the hardest thing you've ever done is cut your fingernail too short, and I can tell you how hard this is going to be, but you don't know, just like, oh yeah, I can deal with it. If you had never held a job, you probably are not going to do well with us, you know, but if you were like a Green Beret, then. 01:02:32 Speaker 2: You probably will be. Okay, you, that's not a big deal. 01:02:35 Speaker 4: Whatever. 01:02:36 Speaker 1: I used to staying up late, getting up early, so you know, but that is something that we do that's very much different. Like every time one of my friends wants to hunt with us, going to hunt with us, you know, I'm like, yeah, it's cool, but just know, like there's no midday naps, Like we just don't do that. I mean, every once in a while, I bet you, I bet you I took one nap this year the whole season. 01:02:57 Speaker 2: I can't do it. Either. 01:02:58 Speaker 1: Really, I can't. I almost can't ever fall asleep. I did fall asleep the one time I took a nap this year, which was in Arkansas late season December. But one thing, one thing that's weird about mid day for me is I think that, like when there's light coming through, I have like lucid dreams and I feel like I'm the last person on earth, and it's like a ninary that I have all to day. 01:03:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, you don't. 01:03:20 Speaker 1: Want to you don't want to be the last person on no, but it's yeah, it's definitely it's different. So I mean, we'll hunt, We'll get up at like four, and I mean there are days when it's like nine o'clock and I haven't even I mean, this sounds bad. I've dated my wife and known her since I was thirteen, so forever, right, But there are days when I literally get to like eight or nine o'clock and I'm like, oh, I might should call my life. 01:03:46 Speaker 2: But there are days that I literally don't call her. I mean it's just that that's how busy we are. 01:03:50 Speaker 1: Because yeah, there's other aspects to it, with dropping footage and all this other stuff that we got to manage. You know, like there's people that want to real or short in the middle of the day during hunting season because as they know, it's gonna have good run and. 01:04:01 Speaker 2: All this stuff. 01:04:02 Speaker 1: So it's very it's it's different, and I think that like for for a more normal person that hunts, I would say that, like what you're saying makes so much sense. 01:04:13 Speaker 2: Man, like you do, you won't even. 01:04:14 Speaker 1: Lose that much, you know, like you you would only have to just make sure that after a week of hunting or whatever, when you come back, you just get right back to try to get right back. 01:04:22 Speaker 4: So yeah, dude, come back anytime. 01:04:27 Speaker 2: I've had a good time man. 01:04:30 Speaker 4: For me, you know with family stuff, but man, come back anytime. 01:04:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, man o, thank you, thank you, thank you all