00:00:00 Speaker 1: Thoughts are what you hear, but thoughts have no instruction. Thoughts have no strategy. Thoughts cannot solve a problem intent, right, So it's thinking is what you say. Thoughts are what you hear. Thinking is what you say. It's your voice and it's got to be the loudest one in the room. So you can imagine when a big bull's coming and you're like, oh my god, that thing's giant. Right, Well, that's a thought that has no instruction, that has no strategy to it. But you also can't necessarily control that thought because it's coming in whether you like it or not. Cool, let it in. But that's the cool thing. Like, that's why I'm tapping you on the head with an arrow, because you have thoughts of I just gotta tap me on the head of an arrow that has no instruction, that has no strategy. So you get reps in getting loud with the right words at the right moment, which is actually know is the ultimate skill to human being now, right, So it's all based on this. Thoughts aren't thinking the ultimate skill to human being open and closed the control systems and visual appropriate reception. Right, So yeah, in the mental game equation, yeah, that's a big one, right, so figuring that out like what is the mental game. 00:01:10 Speaker 2: Out here? The stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back country. This is In Pursuit, brought to you by Mount Knums in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt Joel Turner. Yeah. Man, it's been a year in the making, right since Brian backstory. We'll get into your backstory, but my backstory with you is if this is the first time we've met it for some we really even talk. You get in here, but Brian call, we were shooting at Tack last year and no less than twenty times. Well it was as soon as you shot. Yeah, yeah, it didn't start out well that we didn't have the bow sided in. We'd been shooting Hoye for years and I got an elite probably what the week before, and we didn't really sight it. In first two targets. We're kill shots, but they were head shots. Oh good. Yes, we got her dialed in for the second day and it was infinitely better. But yeah, Brian, Brian was uh, he just kept saying, Man, I gotta get you a Joel Joel, fix you you know, so uh here we are. Oh yeah, man, glad to have you. We just kind of did a little mock shot IQ. Course it was awesome. Yeah, tell tell everybody who doesn't know who you are little you know, we can get into We'll get into the shot IQ stuff of course, because that was awesome, but like kind of walk us through who you are and how you got here. 00:02:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, So it was just, uh, my life has been all about shooting. And I started shooting a bow when I was seven, and by the age of eight, I was fully engulfed in target panic, not knowing exactly what it was. But I couldn't aim anywhere close to a target, Like I would hold five feet off of a target and then just dump my bow and let it go, you know, shooting a little stick bow at the time, and then that progressed the compounds and everything else. But I just loved shooting so much. Like when we were growing up, my brothers we would all get a BB gun when we were nine, so I couldn't wait till I was nine years old. Well, my brother Pete's three years older than me, so I wore his bb gun out when I was six, and then I wore my other brothers out when I was eight. And then when I got my BB gun, I got a Daisy eight eighty power line because my dad saw something in me, I guess, so I wore that thing out. But shooting air rifles twenty two's was easy. It was money because there was no requil But man, you put me on a centerfire rifle and I was a nightmare, really, And you know, it's just the way it works. It's just how your brain works. But I didn't know. I was a little kid, and so you know, life progresses and through high school and we shoot lots of archery tournaments and all that, and I was pretty good, but I was not that good. I mean I wanted, I want to be really good, and I couldn't aim at a target. So I took my sights off my bow, so I started shooting bear bow. You know, I'm like, why would I have a sight on here if I can't get anyways to the point where it is funny because a real good friend of mine is a chiropractor and I used to go over to his house in like the sixth grade, and I would go to his house because he had a giant log pile next to his target. So he'd have his baiales and this giant deck of logs. So and we're both fully I mean, he had targabatic worse that I like. He couldn't even get his compound to full draw without letting it go. So this is before release ags, right, So they was just shooting with fingers and we would both draw our bows back and aim at the log pile and then we'd swing them over and shoot the target. It was a nightmare, right, So college happens. I still shoot my bow. I started working a bow shop when I was sixteen years old. Love that, and just there was a few shooters there that were shooting this thing called a hinge release, right, they called the backtencher release at the time. And they would yard on this thing and they'd pull super hard, but they would shoot these surprise brakes and it was just fascinating to me. I never could figure it out. I started shooting one of those releases. I've gone through the gamut of everything that's available and life progresses. And then I became a wildlife specialist with USDA Wildlife Services, where we did a lot of shotgun work and air rifle work. So I was money right, but you put me on a coyote contract with a center fire rifle, and I didn't know how I was going to go. Then I became a cop, and that's what really had to push me over the edge as far as and I got to figure this stuff out. And when I was in the academy as where I really learned that I loved instructing. I loved teaching people. I didn't really know what to teach at the time, but I just knew I loved being in front of people and instructing. So in the academy, I actually fudged the system a little bit because everybody else's shooting a glock. Well, because I was still a trigger puncher at the time, I bought a nineteen eleven epistol had a much shorter trigger stroke on it. So I took top firearms in the academy. You know, look at me, you know the top firearms. But the cool thing was is that I started to figure out how I did it right. And then two years into my law enforcement career, became a fiarms instructor, and that's where I really started to see, like, why is this farms instructor yelling front site, front site, front site when the front site is not the problem? 00:06:37 Speaker 2: Right? 00:06:37 Speaker 1: Like I'm aiming good, Like I'm aiming where I need to aim. But then I yanked the trigger and it's all for not. So are we saying the right things to the students right? And that's where I really started to do the research and started to figure things out. And then one day I talked to recruit through a shot and I'm like, that worked pretty good. That was my light bulb moment to where I saw that their trigger finger was moving in the exact rate of which I spoke. And then I had them speak to me and it was completely different. Their speech pattern had crazy anxiety and all kinds of like oh, keep resident, keep resident, keep present right. It was crazy listening to them talk, like, man, I'm getting a view right into their head as to what's really going on in there. And then I started to do more research, and then I had a fellow tell me that what I was doing work, but it wasn't right, and he was big into kinnesthesiology, martial artist. He was a smart man. Him and I did not see eye to eye on much, but he said, what you're doing works, but it's not right. And I'm like, I need to know what's right. At this time, I'm the lead fararm instructor for Washington State, so every police officer had to come through our team for firearms training. And he told me that I'm like, well, what's right? And he's like, you got to take my class. I'm like, sign me up. So I took his class and Advanced Concepts of Mode Learning and Performance, Okay, and that's where I learned things about open and closed the control systems. But what I also learned is it had never been put into shooting. And then we learned about neuro linguistic programming never been put into shooting right, and all these other things, visual appropriate reception, never been said anything regarding shooting. So I took those sciences and I kind of packaged them together into what is now shot IQ. So that's kind of how it all came to Fruition. And my son, Bodie. 00:08:30 Speaker 2: Turner is incredible. 00:08:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's considered one of the greatest archers on the plant. He's only eighteen years old. He's won numerous world championships. But he started shooting about at ten and a half months old. He couldn't even stand up yet. But by the age of three, I bought him as first compound. And what do you think I saw when I put a little index finger trigger. He punched the crap out of it at three years old. Because that's what we do, right, that's what we're doing. We time an explosion. If we can time it, we do. The subconscious will not allow to cause your body impact as a surprise. So I saw that, and I've been through a lifetime of that. I'm like, there's no way I'm allowing my son to go down the same path that I did. So, but in archery it's cool because there's mechanical fixes to mental problems. Like most kids now that don't have enough determination to override their own central nervous system, which is most kids, I put them in a resistance activated release because it's got a safety on it, so it mechanically separates them from the aim and from their shot activation movement. So you know when your son really gets into shooting. First thing, I would do is put them in a resistance release until he understands this is how we do it, and we draw back an aim, then we take the safety off, then we say here I go. Then we just pull right yep. And of course there's a bit more to it than that, but not really. And once you do that, you get them to separate and you don't have to teach them. It's not like and it's tough for dads to teach their kids anything because biologically we're not supposed to teach them. So they're supposed to learn from Uncle Bob. But the next tribe over right, right, So we always run into those issues. So I never like sat body down and said this is how we're going to learn how to shoot archery. I just let him do his business, and I would put these little things in cues, right, these little things. When he was shooting a stick bow'd have him shooting a clicker right of my counter receptive trigger, just so he got used to separating from the aim. That's the main thing. If you can just get people to separate away from the aim and then learn how to put their conscious mind into something more important. If I could just get young hunters and kids to say, here I go between the aim and the trigger work, it would be so much more successful. 00:10:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one of the big I don't know how much you want to talk about it and not give away too much, but today one of the big takeaways. You know, we talk a lot about you know, talking through things, and usually once you know, when we were talking, usually the coach is giving the cue and the people are trying to figure it out. So the participant or whoever, you know, for us it would be the athlete actively talking. Way they are connecting their movement to their own words, to their own internal speak was huge. But the other piece was you know, for me, I went to the bow rack and Wayne was awesome, incredible, great, and I've switched to it thumb since when I was there was with a finger, but you know, I he did a great job of equating it for my simple brain of all, right, how would you approach a bar? How would you do these things? And so you know I noticed today though I have all these great cues and self talk until I get to hear and ready to pull the trigger, and so I just hadn't put those two together. And so once this was set, I forgot about this front arm. You know, we're talking archerie, we're talking about shooting bow. So you know, my process is level target. Once I'm on the target, then it was like, all right, find the trigger and then we're using that what kind of release it was that we were using today on clicker on ex clicker, and so it almost like to me, I think, all right, in a in a rifle, I find that wall, and then when I find that wall, then it's a slow pull from there. So then once I was set up here, I forgot about everything else up here, and now I'm literally all of my brain, sorry, covered up a mic is just going to what my thumb? That's all I'm thinking about, and trying to go as slow as I can and still fighting against that urge to just punch right. And so man, it's it's cool now that I have those things to think about where you know, before I was like, all right, I'm up, I've got this. This front side almost is like two separate things going on. You know, get that front site, and then when it's it's set, I forget about it now, and so now I'm like, all right, now I'm just thinking about the thumb. So now to me, I get obsessed with stuff. So now that's gonna be like i'm aa and I do a lot better when like, yeah, you tell me and then you're watching me, and then I'm like screw it. Like I'm back and forth with thinking about what he oh, he's watching. I'mna screw this up. I'm I'll be obsessed with it for the next months and I'll figure it out, you know, I'll go to work on it. And so it's cool to have that now. And once again, you know we words, right, you have the words, and you have this process that you go through and it's the same thing that we do in fitness. 00:13:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I mean, you're just building this toolbox. Like like I was talking about earlier, like I don't have to talk myself through a shot anymore. Boddy doesn't have to talk to himself through a shot unless we see a problem. Like we talked a little bit about thoughts aren't thinking. But that's a huge concept, Like my buddy Ben May in Australia told me that, and that's from Buddhism. That's saying thoughts aren't thinking. And I kind of took it and dissected it a bit like, thoughts are what you hear, but thoughts have no instruction, Thoughts have no strategy. Thoughts cannot solve a problem intent, right, So it's thinking is what you say. Thoughts are what you hear. Thinking is what you say. It's your voice and it's got to be the loudest one in the room. So you can imagine when a big bulls come and you're like, oh my god, that thing's a giant. Right, Well, that's a thought that has no instruction, that has no strategy to it. But you also can't necessarily control that thought because it's coming in whether you like it or not. Cool, let it in, But that's the cool thing. Like, that's why I'm tapping you on the head with an arrow because you have thoughts of why is this guy tap me on the head of the arrow that has no instruction, that has no strategy. So you get reps in getting loud with the right words at the right moment, which is actually know is the ultimate skill the human being now, right, So it's all based on this. Thoughts aren't thinking the ultimate skill the human being open and closed the control systems and visual appropriate reception. Right, So yeah, and the mental game equation. That's a big one, right, So figuring that out, like what is the mental game? It's understanding where, when, and how to direct your conscious mind into a specific task at a specific moment. 00:14:51 Speaker 2: Right. 00:14:52 Speaker 1: Once you have that definition, you have that equation. You just take whatever problem you have, whatever the problem is, you plug it into the equation like these steps. Yeah, after the Rogan podcast, I had a French, the French Olympic decathlon coach called me and asked me questions like I don't even know. 00:15:10 Speaker 2: I don't even know what are the events of the cathlon? 00:15:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Like I didn't know what disciplines were in there. I didn't even know there was ten of them, hence the name. 00:15:16 Speaker 2: Right. 00:15:17 Speaker 1: So he said, I go, coach, what is the biggest problem that the kathlon? Like, I have no idea. He's like, I'll tell you right now. It's with my long jumpers. I'm like, okay, he says, as they're running down the lane, right before they put their foot on the launch board, they put their shoulders back involuntarily and it kills the momentum of the jump. Right, I'm like, okay, who knew? But I'm like, okay, let's plug it. Into the mental game equation, I said, coach, where do you want their conscious mind? He said, I wanted in the longest jump possible. He said, that's not the problem. The problem is in the shoulders, right, So the ware of the mental game equation is in the shoulders and keeping them forward. When do you need it there, specifically right before they put their foot on the launch board. How do you put it there? The how of the mental game equation is always speech. You do it all the time with all these specific movements that you do in your in your workouts, like you did it with me today, And but you got to get your people talking out loud because then you, as the coach, you can see exactly where they're putting their conscious mind and when they're putting it there, and that's what you're manipulating it as a coach. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: It's so uncomfortable, Yeah, talking about what you're like those steps, Yeah, you know, but it is so true because then you're actually you know, the thinking is action and so honestly it's something that we can use in coaching, and what we do is you know, I told you today and it makes sense after you know, we were doing some overhead pressing you've got a little bit of mobility issue. But also, once I said something, all you did was those elbows forward a little bit just to get in that better driving position, tuck that chin, better bar path. And so now you would say that instead of just me every time you have to, you'd have to give me the right words and the right moments. But then once you do that, make them do You gotta make the person do that right, and then you can as the coach, you're seeing exactly what's going on. But I told you I do that with the kids. I coach coach slitch, and you know, I learned from another guy coach ball game, and he's a magician with kids. That's the big thing. You have them say triangle, alligator, vacuum, and they just do it, you know, And so then you just repetition. Repetition makes so much it won't take We forget as adults. 00:17:29 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean, like I said, we're the master of the unknown obvious. It's right there in front of us. We do it all the time. But because we didn't realize that the words were the skill, we skip over it, like we jump right over that. Well, I'm getting to do the triangle alligator vacuum. But you just do it, but they don't say it. 00:17:48 Speaker 2: Say it. 00:17:49 Speaker 1: And when you do that, when you have them say it, you'll find it way less reps to it until they get it, they'll get it way faster, way quicker. 00:17:56 Speaker 2: Man, it makes so much sense and it's right there in front of you and you don't even think about you know, for years I've said it before. I I've in the last probably seven eight years, gotten infinitely infinitely better at coaching because I've seen so many more people. When it was just me trying to tell people what I do, I don't think about it as much. I'm like, all right, walk up to the bar, grab it and go. I don't you know, there's not this huge, long kind of process. But now seeing which you probably see a ton of people and see it do seem to do it the wrong way, And now that you've attached words to it, it helps. But I mean it can transfer over into so many different things. 00:18:32 Speaker 1: And like when I was listened to Steve Ranella on one of his podcasts, he talked about like one of the first shots that he was successful with a bow because when you watch him shoot right now, like he punches a trigger right, and not a bad thing. He kills lots of stuff, but he could be better if he wanted to be. But when he talked about this one shot and his grandpa taught him to say, raise the elbow right at a certain in his shot. And I don't even know if Steve realizes this, but he said it that one time because he talked about this shot where he remembered saying that during his shot, and he was successful in that shot. But I don't know if he still says it right. Those words that he got from his grandpa were the right words at the right moment, right. His grandpa gave him that gift, and I hope that he's still uses it well. I've always wanted to explain that to him, like Steve, you did it this one time, this is how you did it. And that's what we find is really good shooters, really good athletes, and whatever sport they are in, they don't realize how they do what they do. They don't realize that it's the speaking, it's the words that got them to do the action. That's the skill. The action is not necessarily the skill. That's the physical part of it. But understanding how you do it, but we don't ask that question. You know, we look at like if you look at a famous archer, Let's say, you go, oh man, what bow was he shooting? He he shooting? What release is he shooting? How's he staying? All these things? I want to know what he is saying. And if you ask somebody what they're thinking, they'll usually only give you their thoughts. 00:20:12 Speaker 2: The way you're saying things. 00:20:14 Speaker 1: So very few of us ever asked that athlete, what do you say? I will like that one guy is and that's that's actually the skill, right, That is the skill we're trying to get to. Right, what do you say right before you do X? 00:20:32 Speaker 2: Right? 00:20:32 Speaker 1: And once we get people to realize that, they take a different approach, Like you're going to approach your shooting way, You're going to approach your workouts differently. You're going to approach your shooting during your workouts differently, Right, Like what do I have to do in my workout to force myself to get super loud in my shot? I mean, that's so powerful, powerful. 00:20:53 Speaker 3: That's working out. One of the first things you said this morning was that it would be interesting for you just to see how we handled it. Rich being an athlete. What what were you thinking there? And then were you surprised at all with how today went? 00:21:10 Speaker 1: I was surprised on I shouldn't say surprised, because you're obviously with what you've done in your life and what all of you have done with your lives. You're very determined, right so, and that's the first ingredient. But we never knew. Like I used to say, I can't teach you determination, but I can teach you how to find it. Yeah, now I know how to teach it because I know the determination is now in the words you just spoke very quickly in the signature test. Right, you only do it twice, Josh, you only to do it twice? That is that's very rare. We don't like to lose, yeah right, yeah, but so you took that you don't like to lose your life. Oh oh, this is like you had it on your first one. Really, I just made you do it again. So right, you are welcome, But actually one line was off. 00:21:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, my personal sucked. 00:22:00 Speaker 1: So that's what it is, though, is really I wasn't I wouldn't say surprised. What I saw in your shooting is what I expected. But once you get the solution. I knew that you'd get it pretty quickly, right, just because of what I saw in the signature test. And you've been able to do that so quickly. 00:22:17 Speaker 2: I'm all for the next. Like right now I'm doing it on the back seam of this chair. Is just like trying to go as slow as I can pulling into this back seam of this chair. It's going to be an obsession for the next. 00:22:30 Speaker 1: And I think the handshake demonstration yeah helped. 00:22:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you know, obviously we're we're talking about this release and you get to a point where you take the tension out and then from there, now I can just like I can feel it, see it like I can, you know, I'm on the back of this chair just doing it. I also have a touch of add so my brain goes to all those different spaces. 00:22:51 Speaker 1: So but you'll just use things differently. The approach is now changed. 00:22:54 Speaker 2: Yep. 00:22:55 Speaker 1: So now what you're doing when you hunt, you're actually using that animal for concentration practice. 00:23:01 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:23:03 Speaker 1: That's that's why you know, does are cool for meat, but they don't they don't make you get as loud as bucks. That's why people say, man, I can smoke dose all day long, but you put a big bucket from it and I just fall apart. That's because they talk on the does or with the doe. Their thoughts are not as loud, so they don't have to override it. They don't have to get their thinking as loud. But as soon as you put one hundred and eighty inches of anler in front of on a white tailed bucket're like, oh my god, I'm gonna be a hero. 00:23:31 Speaker 2: Right that is? 00:23:33 Speaker 1: That's all thoughts man, Let's start talking with the right words in the right moments. 00:23:38 Speaker 2: I'm interested to see how now. 00:23:41 Speaker 3: One of the things I asked Rich a while back is just that did he think like the high stress moments he's been in high stress as far as competing helped him in high stress moments, honey? And he said yes, But would you say no because he wasn't necessarily talking to himself. 00:24:00 Speaker 1: Anytime you can inoculate yourself from stress is good, but if you don't realize how you did it, it's not as good as it could be. 00:24:09 Speaker 2: Right. 00:24:09 Speaker 1: I'm sure putting ourselves in stressful situations is awesome. But let's say one time you were successful and you're like yeah, man, I freaking did it. I don't know, and then the next time you didn't do it, like, oh man, what was it? And you know, talking to the Philadelphia Phillies the pitching team, like, if you don't know how you do what you do, you're you're a victim of good days and bad days. And if you don't know the difference, then you're just yeah, you're just on this emotional roller coaster constantly. Like I want you to have those successes, have those failures and know the difference. The difference is you stopped talking right or you do or you weren't loud enough. And that's all we've done today, is we've put words to how you do what you do. 00:24:52 Speaker 2: And that you know, there has to be a point too that it just becomes second nature. You are talking, but you're not even thinking those thoughts because you've done that repetition so many times. Does that happen to you? I think about that with like a clean or a snatch or any like the high complex movements for us, or I know when I do it bad, when a bar comes out or a bar you know the bar path is is not good? Does that well that eventually. 00:25:19 Speaker 1: Well one of the things in your workouts is all of your movements are open loop. When you teach them, you're teaching them closed loop. You're teaching them slow enough that people can get the feedback and you know all the stuff that you're doing. But then the natural path of adult learning is you have the cognitive stage of learning where you do most of your self instruction. Then you practice with the goal of becoming automatic. So in the past when you would shoot during your workouts, you're shooting for results on the target. Right, Oh yeah, stricken smoked it. And then you go back to working on and I smoked it, but you couldn't couldn't be because you're still working the trigger open loop. You were not treating that rep as you could. Right now you're like, of course you're gonna smoke it. Why wouldn't you because you've aimed in the middle and this is the goal now is just jorking through that trigger so slow, Like that's why I shoot on one foot like during during the Vegas shoot and the practice ends, like you get two practice ends of two minutes and you can shoot as many arrows as you want, like you know in the actual competition is three arrows for two minutes indoor. But in these practice sessions you'll see me standing on the line shooting on one foot, and people like, Turner, what are you doing? I'm like, well, here's the deal. I know that on my first scoring ends at Vegas or big tournaments, I shake more than normal. Right, And if I go up there and I shoot on one foot in my practice ends and I replicate that amount of shake, I'm like, cool. I get reps and letting go of the aim, right, whereas everybody else is just trying to shoot x's in their practices. To make sure everything's right. Right, you've got to be able to step away from the shake, the aim. Those are all just problems that increase the volume of thoughts. So I'm getting reps and increasing the volume of my thinking. Right. So, now you're using your workouts in that same way. Of course, you're going to hit the middle. Why wouldn't you? Right, So, and if you don't hit the middle, but you still broke a clean shot, well that is an absolute win. Maybe not for the arrow, but it's a win for what you were trying to accomplish. 00:27:33 Speaker 2: Right, that ultimate skill like this the old brains brain. 00:27:40 Speaker 3: Well, and then you would say mental toughness. Like for us, we say we do hard things and that actually makes us mentally tough for the next thing. But you would say you're mentally tough when you can talk to yourself loud enough. 00:27:54 Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're creating situations where if you're not loud enough, you will fail. 00:28:00 Speaker 3: Okay, I have a great question for you. Hit me, because this is what people Internet people say. One of the things we do like to do is like shoot, I say, under fatigue, but everybody's under fatigues different. So like do like a zone two, get your heart rate sixty seventy percent, and maybe do a shot or two from there. Some people say it's so crazy, that's the dumbest thing to do. 00:28:24 Speaker 2: What would you. 00:28:24 Speaker 1: Say, I'd say it's beautiful, of course, hell ya right, because you have to get loud. That's what you're doing. You're forcing yourself because when you're fatigued, you have thoughts of oh my god, my breathing, I can't breathe, Oh my gosh, there's no way I can do this. Those are all thoughts, man, and they're coming whether. 00:28:41 Speaker 2: You like it or not. 00:28:42 Speaker 1: Let them in. 00:28:43 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the truth is if you're out counting. 00:28:45 Speaker 2: Like those thoughts. You can't there's so much you can't get. 00:28:47 Speaker 3: We've hiked two miles literally up hills and had to shoot almost right, Yeah, as soon as we got there, had to shoot, you know what I mean. So like there's to me, that's the best thing to put yourself into that such. 00:29:00 Speaker 1: All you're doing is you're manually increasing the volume of thoughts. When you work out, when you stand on one foot, you're manually increasing the volume of thoughts so that you get reps and increasing the volume of your thinking. 00:29:13 Speaker 3: I hope everybody listens to this. 00:29:14 Speaker 2: I want to go shoot on that BOSU ball out there too. 00:29:16 Speaker 1: Oh that's rad. Yeah, it's all good anything you can do. 00:29:19 Speaker 2: But we have this uh I don't know. Yeah, you draw that thing and it starts doing this right here. 00:29:25 Speaker 3: It's a it must stand on the top of it when. 00:29:27 Speaker 2: You are one foot doing some like crane and stuff. That's awesome. 00:29:35 Speaker 1: So what you guys are doing is spot on, and I wish more people would do that. But I think that it's starting to get out there. Like like we said, if somebody puts a shot on the internet and they punch a trigger, like they are judged. 00:29:50 Speaker 2: Everybody finds it. It's like me when I did a hunt like years ago, not years ago. Still happens hunting posts. Everybody finds it. Like people that don't even follow me unfollow you know whatever, but the same sing with a punch of trigger man man. Everybody loves to tell you they get on it. 00:30:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, a lot of really good archers out there, a lot of really. 00:30:10 Speaker 2: Good Internet archers. Internet archers. You get, you get much Internet? Yeah, lots. You like it too, huh yeah, yeah, I enjoyed it. At this point. My wife gets a little bit down on it, and I'm just like, let it come. 00:30:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's uh. You know when Dan Staton we used to do that. We still do the Elk Shape camp and and I was pretty hard on people in that first few arrows, right, And I did that for a purpose to get them to increase. I mean, I'm talking to him, I'm asking them, you know, all kinds of questions, and I'm razing them. And and he put that first video out of me doing that. Beople like who is this guy? He's a major a hole and stuff, and so much so that Dan had to put out another video explain I'm just I'm just increasing the volume of their thoughts. Yeah, that's all I'm doing. 00:30:55 Speaker 2: I think it's great because when that animal walks out. I mean I've had thoughts of like, you know, when it walks out and it's just not happening and not turning and doing what you need it to do, and you're just like, I want this to end at some point, Like I don't care if it's an arrow fired or something. But you're like in this stuck in this lock step. 00:31:11 Speaker 1: People get to the point where they they hope it doesn't happen. 00:31:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, because you don't want to fail. 00:31:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't hope it does. Oh good that elk went the other way, right man. 00:31:20 Speaker 2: I used to be that. 00:31:21 Speaker 1: I mean, it took me thirteen years to kill a bull elk with my bow. I'm a two time world out calling champion. I can call these things in like a chicken on a string, but I couldn't hit them come up with us. Yeah, I mean, thirteen years of failure. But I loved it so much. But I was that guy. I'm like, oh man, oh good he didn't come in. I didn't have to fail again. Thirteen years of that. 00:31:45 Speaker 2: Right Yeah? 00:31:46 Speaker 1: And then now that I have control. I'm like, come on, bring it on. Man. 00:31:50 Speaker 2: I love it because it's just the ultimate test that you're uh yeah, well, you know we've talked a couple of times. I feel like hunting is for me. You know, it was such an easy transition from competing to elk hunting. Elk hunting is kind of my passion. Well, definitely my passion. It's the ultimate competition, you know, like it's the first competition that was ever on earth. Really, what's your what's your elk? Your favorite? 00:32:14 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I like collars, like everybody else is like, man, I stock him. I you know, I don't stand. I'm like, I don't do any of that. I call them. Yeah, that's the experience that I want. I've killed enough bulls now that you know I've I can feel a freezer. But I want to call bulls and that's the experience that I am hunting, right. I want to have that as that experience as many times as possible until I am dead. 00:32:36 Speaker 2: We're at the like stage of we just want experiences, you know. Sure, you know we we talked last time too. I couldn't tell you what a three hundred inch bull looks like if he's legal. I like people. I've had to be talked out of animals at times because I'm in that phase. You know, I just enjoy it, man, I love being out there. It's just kind of my it's where I'm at. Everybody's like, if you could hunt anything anywhere, I'm like, September Oak, you know for sure, I don't care where. 00:33:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so on that note, right, you've got your your CrossFit competitions, you've got hunting. Those are all primal skills. That's, in my opinion, what we're supposed to be doing. And I saw that as a cop where I didn't have to go to I don't think I ever went to a family that hunted together for domestic violence or anything, right, Like that just wasn't part of the equation. And on that note, it's like silent places are special, and that's what I find. Like I've dealt with lots of very wealthy people now, and it seems like they don't have the silent places, right, whether that's to get close to God or just be quiet for a minute or whatever it is. Right, Like you get on a mountaintop in September and just just don't talk for a second, just like take it all in and it's amazing. That's one of the things about Montana where I live in Montana, of like there's places out there where you can just stop moving and you can't hear it. 00:34:09 Speaker 2: I never understand. I never understood that, and you just stop. Yeah, You're sitting there one morning and it was so quiet that it was loud, you know, like it's just it blew my mind. 00:34:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy. Like I was. I was wolf hunting two years ago. Yeah, and I well, we had had some kill somewhere, cattle, but we were I was laying there and it was cold, its five degrees and it was dark, and I'm laying there and it's so quiet that I can hear the snowflakes hitting my face. It was it was wild man, so good. But that's you know, people don't have those places. And if you don't have those places, man, you don't realize how loud your thoughts are. 00:34:58 Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, yeah, because those the thoughts will be loud when it's boy even more quiet or man, when even when it's loud, when you got that screaming bowl, Yeah, that's when they're the loudest, huh, or you're hearing those footsteps if you're close enough to hear footsteps, yeah, or Antler's breaking things. Oh yeah, it's cool. It's awesome and and it's hard to tell people how awesome that is until they experience it, you know, Man, Yeah, it just makes me want what month is it now? It's June? June, not close. I just got off an Axis hunt and it was it was. It moved pretty close to Elk. It was awesome. It was a great time in Texas. But man, I just I'm ready for September. What do you what? What hunts do you have planned this year? Oh? 00:35:40 Speaker 1: Man, I've got how many you calling versus how many are you hunting? Let's see, I'll be calling for body first. He's got a good Elk tag in Montana. I've got a good Elk tag in Montana. But I'll be calling for him, and I'm calling for another family, and then I'm calling in Colorado and I'll be able to hunt down there as well. Then back to Montana ago. 00:36:00 Speaker 2: Okayahs, So you know you two things I want to talk about. Well, one is you said you called in how many two years ago? So fifty four two years ago and thirty eight thirty I don't know if I've ever seen fifty four bull elk and then thirty eight last year. That's insane, that's awesome. 00:36:18 Speaker 1: Yeah, to haunt some amazing places, But do. 00:36:20 Speaker 2: You want to give away those like two things you told me, like the two Tucher calls? Yeah, let's go because that was interesting. 00:36:29 Speaker 1: So I learned how to elk call from being a cop, like I learned how to make all I've been calling elk since I was twelve years old. That's when my dad bought me my first mouth read. And lucky for me, I started out right nobody to teach me. I just was able to make sounds with it. And then those sounds got pretty good and I figured some stuff out. But when I became a cop, like I became a cop in two thousand and one, I won the World Championships in two thousand and eight and in twenty ten, So I could make all the sounds, but I hadn't put it all together yet because I was doing the same stuff that I was hearing other bugling with chuckling, cow calling, you know, you challenge the bull or you cow call and all this stuff, and I'm like, hmm, this isn't how it works in real life, Like, this isn't how humans behave. So I listened to a CD one time Sounds by the Elk from Elk Nat Paul Madell and he's a fantastic wealth of knowledge on elk calling. But I listened to CD and he's got this is a bull calling cows And it had all these bulls bugling doing this bugle. I'm like, none of those are chuckling. This is strange. There was no chuckles in any of those, so I'm like, hmm. So then i started watching all this footage of elk. I'm like, when these bulls are in their cows, they don't chuckle. That's when they're talking to their cows, they don't chuckle. So I'm thinking, okay, but when you hear another bull bugle in the background or something, then that bull will bugle with a chuckle. So we know that a bull bugling with a chuck is a multiple communication. And I'm thinking, I mean, I've been to hundreds of bar fights, right, and as a cop, and like, what's the fight over? Oh he's talking to my girl, right, I'm like ding ding ding ding, Okay, this is I mean, this is how you would get in a fight. Ye, Like, you don't just walking if you want to get in a fight with the dude, you don't walk in a bar and insult the dude. You insult his female, his female, right, his significant other, whatever that may be. You talk to them and only them. You don't even talk to him like you imagine, like, hey, baby, you want to go to make a calf, right, and he's like, hey, dude, you're talking to my girl. That's him bugling back at you. And you just give him the hand and you keep talking to her. He's going to become so enraged that he just loses his mind and he's going to punch you. Right, Well, that's what we're seeking in the Elk Woods. So why are we going into the bar and talking to the dude? Why are we going in and bugling and chucklin Because yeah, you'll get in a fight every now and again that way. But it's all based on the attitude of the recipient of that call. Right, if you deal with his significant other, it's instinctive. Right now, he has to remove you from the bar because he wants to make a calf with that cow every single year, right, So that's just the way it works, So I quit bugling with chuckling. Now, when a bull has cows, I just slide in tight on the cows. I try to get within one hundred yards of them. Sixties better right, and you just bugle, short, raspy, no chuckles is the key. Don't chuckle because then he will talk back to you. You don't talk to him. If he starts raking a tree to display, you just talk right over the top of him to his ladies. Just do that bull calling cow's bugle again, short, raspy, no chuckles, and he will come in and try to kill you. There's no hang up spot. That's the beautiful part about it. There's no suspicion. There's no hang up spots. They get all puffed up and they just walk in real slow like a bull moose. They all do it right. So that's one spectrum if he's got cows that we're gonna use. The other spectrum is everybody wants a cow call. Well, when was the last time that a group of females human females got together and talk nicely about another female that wants to procreate with the man that they've chosen as a group. That's never happened, right, So when you get close to cows and you cow call, they will not allow the bull to go play with the hussy and the bushes. So you no cow calls, keep it on the calf spectrum, because then you dive into the instincts again. When you stay on the calf spectrum, you're sexually neutral. Now, you're not a sexual threat to these cows anymore. So, Like, if we're sitting here having this podcast and an adult female starts screaming outside, we're gonna move our location. We're gonna look at the door like peak out, like, what the heck's going on out there? But if it's a it's suspicion. That's where you get the hang up spots on these bulls. They hung they hang up seventy eighty yards away. But when you calf call, like if there's a kid, if there's a kid hurt out there, we're all running out there, willy nilly, inhibitions thrown to the wind. We don't care, right, we're gonna help that infant. Well, bulls just happen to be pedophiles as well. They don't care how old. 00:41:18 Speaker 2: The calf is. 00:41:18 Speaker 1: Right, So you've got the maternal instincts of the female, you've got the sexual drive of the male, and it's just like a free for all. So when you learn that calf distress call, and get emotional with it, even to the point where if you've got to use a predator call, do that. If you can't use a mouth rade very well, but get emotion in there. And if there are cows there that you didn't know about, like, if you knew about them, then you'd use the bull calling cow's miigel. But if sometimes you don't know that there's cows there, they come right in and the bulls are right on their tail. But if that bull doesn't have cows, he will he comes in just willy nilly. They come in super close. There's no hang up spot. You don't have have to you know, you don't have to move locations. He's coming right to you. And you can also do almost inaudible calf sounds when he's close. A lot of times the bull will mew to you and it sounds hideous, really oh my ah, all right, And you know if you hear this real raspy, deep mew, he's mewing to the calf. He is fully committed to the relationship with that calf. At that point, they will like the first time you do a calf's a distressed calf, they will usually do a bull calling cow's bugle, So they'll bugle, short, raspy, no chuckles. They will not chuckle when there's when you do a calf sound, unless every now and again they'll do a bull check what I call a bull check that they'll check to see if you have a bull with you, So they'll bugle with kind of this wimpy chuckle and if they don't hear anything, if you just keep your calf call going, that's when they'll. 00:42:51 Speaker 2: It's the exact situation that happened last year. I know, yeah, remember that bull just kind of did. 00:42:56 Speaker 3: I thought you were going to bring up the moment I. 00:43:00 Speaker 2: Was not going to bring up. 00:43:03 Speaker 1: So that's what happens. They'll bull check you, and then you stick with the calf sounds and then they just they come right and they'll start muant. 00:43:11 Speaker 2: Situation as we call I'm just messing around with my I'm trying to learn my cow cal and I probably did a crappy little women higher pitch than no, and so we hear it. We're like, oh, sweet. So we start you going at him, can't get him to come in. We try to move in on him. He keep he would answer, but he was going away. Noah with born and raised like calf call rake right in yep. 00:43:37 Speaker 1: And you probably didn't even need to do the raking portion of it, because raking is a display. 00:43:41 Speaker 2: I mean you. 00:43:42 Speaker 1: I don't introduce a bull into the situation unless I have to write, and when I do, the bull is never the subject of my calling. Like I don't talk to him at all either. I'm a distressed calf and I want to know where everybody's at. And that's a beautiful thing about that distressed calf sound is it doesn't drive elk away. So use it to sound check when you go over that next ridge, sound check that canyon. If nothing calls back to you or breaks a branch or moves, there's nothing there. That's how I treat it. Nothing there, Move on right, and I'll go to the next train feature. Because bugles and calf calls don't go over train features. So when you get to that next train feature, sound check it nothing there? Cool? Sound check it Oh a cow? Muwe back to me? Now I know he's got cows. Now I'm gonna hunt the cows. Goull calling cow's bugle. 00:44:28 Speaker 2: Right. 00:44:29 Speaker 1: If a bull bugles back to me, I'm gonna check him like okay, when he bugles again. If he has moved, he doesn't have cows. If he has not moved, he has cows. So I treat it as such. Right, So it's super simple. You only need to really know two sounds. 00:44:47 Speaker 3: Never focus on your target. 00:44:49 Speaker 1: Right, bull calling cows bugle and calf distress and you're calling odds will skyrocket? 00:44:58 Speaker 2: You heard you heard it? There? See what else you got? 00:45:03 Speaker 3: Really kind of for both of you. Just would you agree, disagree, or even talk about just how if it does. Does controlled shooting complement explosive fitness, because that's what some people say, you know, crossfits explosive fitness. So do those two compliment each other in any way? 00:45:26 Speaker 1: I would say yes, because you're practicing getting loud in your head, right, you can use this is the ultimate skill of the human being. It's how we literally do everything. So if you're using it for fitness, cool, Just realize that most of those movements are open loop. But take that same loudness, that same speech to this very minute movement in the trigger press. Just take that and focus it in to this movement that's so slow you could stop it, like every now and again, move a barbell so slow that you could stop, right, you could do this everywhere. 00:46:03 Speaker 3: And use everyone actually slow And yeah, so that's great. 00:46:08 Speaker 1: Right, And so just realize how you're doing what you're doing and then put it into everything in your life. 00:46:16 Speaker 2: And it just works sense. Yeah, yeah, I would say, yes, there's so many parallels. There's so many things you can flip flop. I will say, the one piece that is missing is that just single finger kind of dexterity type thing. But yeah, I mean, we are, you know, you are switching grips. You are, you know, But there's just the one thing that I will have to work on a ton of. But I also, I mean, I guess when I'm jumping rope, at times I'll move my thumbs around or like try to change different things. But I'll now think about those things more and attach, you know, just when I'm doing them that I notice that I am thinking of those little things, like little things that I don't you know, there are more thoughts than thinking to your the way you say it. But I think there's Yeah, there's so many parallels. There's you know what we were when I was showing him earlier with that bamboo bar and just how much it moves, Like, the more you could, you know, get all those muscles to kind of work and fire in the kinesthetic awareness, appropriate reception, whatever, interchangeable. Yeah, Like there is so many parallels to archery to other types of shooting that why would we not train and why would we not create balance across different muscle groups to where you know, yes, you can draw a heavier bow, you can do certain things, you can have more control of those those motor patterns. 00:47:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just understanding. Again, I know I sound like a broken record. I'd say it, man, Now, it's how do you do it? Right? And again when you are the athlete, when you if you don't know how you do it, your skills are gonna die with you. 00:47:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, even more of just like the actual movement I would say, probably doesn't happen with you as much. But just like when you're shooting that you're putting your concentration somewhere else, right, so eliminate the target. Whereas a lot of times maybe you're hurting so bad if you your thoughts are loud enough you then you stop concentrating on that and you can maybe even go a little further. 00:48:23 Speaker 1: Your mind stops way before your body does, right, I mean that's what you guys are doing that. Well, we need one more rep How are you going to get it? The only way you can get it is by getting loud, and a lot of people don't know what it means to get loud. So that's where you know, some of the online courses that I do, the mind IQ course, we teach you how to get loud in your head. Like it's pretty it's not difficult, but if you don't ever practice it, practice it's it's we know now that it's the skill, and we're all chasing so we're everything that we're doing and working out or shooting bows or whatever you do in your life, right, use it words, use it to strengthen that skill. 00:49:03 Speaker 2: Man. It's it's you know, so basic as simple, but also pretty profound if you think about it. We just don't you just do it right, you know, and especially with what to connect it back to what we do. And I've done it for so long, and I you know I said it earlier, but I just never thought about it. It was just well I thought about it, but I never really like really broke it down and put those things into words. 00:49:27 Speaker 1: It's when you're you know, when you're the athlete. If you don't know, okay, you don't know, but if you if you're really good at it, but then you're gonna have to teach it. 00:49:37 Speaker 2: Sometimes you're going to get old and you can't do it right. 00:49:39 Speaker 1: And you're gonna have to coach it sometime. And that's where, you know, don't let your skills die with you. And that's when we do it where good coaches do it this way, but maybe they don't realize it, and maybe they're not having their students do the talking form right. We got it as coaches. We give them the right words in the right moments. But then we got to hand it all off and let them do it so we can see what did they actually get out of what I. 00:50:04 Speaker 2: Just told them? Yeah, make them do it, Like are they actually paying attention? Are they actually taking away what I want them to? 00:50:09 Speaker 1: Where are they putting their conscious mind? And when are they putting it there? And because you know where to put it and when to put it there, you're like, oh, I need you to say it a little sooner, Like as soon as you start lifting, as soon as you start pressing, chin right, you gotta say chin right, elbows, chin, whatever it may be. Right. So, and you're you're coaching then, and people like, well. 00:50:31 Speaker 2: What do I say? I don't know what to say? 00:50:33 Speaker 1: Just talk like you're teaching. If you talk like you're teaching, you'll never be searching for words, and like, really, how do you talk somebody through something? And people like I draw back an aim, then I address a trigger and here I go, and then squeeze, squeeze, squeeze. Well there's a bunch of little speech in there. 00:50:55 Speaker 2: There's need to keep freaking squeezing. I wish this stupid thing would go off, or you're ever going to go off? Is they're going to go there? 00:51:00 Speaker 1: Who are you talking to? 00:51:01 Speaker 2: Right? 00:51:02 Speaker 1: Is this thing ever gonna go off? You're talking to a piece of metal. Are you not talking to your muscles anymore? You gotta talk to your muscles. But if you didn't talk out loud, you don't know what you're saying. And when you have people talk out loud, you instantly cut through the thoughts like nobody's gonna draw back. 00:51:18 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm drawing back and aiming. Okay, I got my pin in the middle. Okay, I'm putting my thumb on the button. 00:51:23 Speaker 1: Got that here? 00:51:24 Speaker 2: I go. 00:51:25 Speaker 1: Man, I hope I don't miss. 00:51:27 Speaker 2: Yeah. 00:51:27 Speaker 1: They're never gonna say that out loud. Yes, they just they had that thought. You can't control thoughts. But because they're not gonna say that out loud, that's why the commentary shooting is so important. It cuts through all the crap and you just say what you need. 00:51:42 Speaker 2: To say because you're trying to say it right. Makes sense? Yeah, man, so simple yet so profound. Once again, what else you got anything else on there? 00:51:53 Speaker 3: Not much? I was the last thingk just lighter note. Just you did train today? 00:51:58 Speaker 1: Yeah? 00:51:59 Speaker 2: How'd that go? 00:52:00 Speaker 1: It was awesome. I learned a lot about my I was nervous, like I didn't know. 00:52:05 Speaker 2: Who you were. 00:52:06 Speaker 1: Bro. 00:52:06 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, and I love that I looked you. 00:52:08 Speaker 1: I'm like, holy smokes man. I haven't done a CrossFit workout since I left the SWAT team. I'm like, oh man, that was three years ago. So at home, I've been doing some stuff. Yeah, a little bit of prep work, and I'm thinking, man, this guy's gonna just absolutely crush me, and you certainly could have. Thank you for not absolutely crushing me. But I learned a lot about like how weak my left shoulder is, Like I've always had movement problems. 00:52:35 Speaker 2: That necessarily weak. You're just weak in certain ranges of me. 00:52:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, and man, that was an eye opener. Like you had me try to lift an eighteen pound kettlebell upside down, upside down and I could like get it to right here. I'm like, I'm trying to get loud in my head, and I'm like, I got it going anywhere, Like it didn't matter how loud I got, I couldn't go anymore. And so all the exercise we did were very eye open. Thank you for working out with me, Bird, it was awesome. 00:53:03 Speaker 2: We did a ton of just to give people well you can see it on the accompanying video. We did a ton of shoulder stuff just because you'd been, you know, talking about how your shoulder had been bugging you. I've had shoulder issues. I've switched to left handed because of those shoulder issues, and so I've been there, done that, and uh, Bird has some shoulder issues, but didn't even jump in we'll fix that. Sorry. 00:53:22 Speaker 3: It was working. 00:53:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, but did a great job in what's lucky for you. You know, if this was fifteen years ago, we would have just like we're just gonna We're just gonna go in and we're gonna smash each other. Like yeah, you know, you gotta like there's like a badge of honor of we got to show people how hard this is and how awesome it is. And over the years, probably like you have, yeah, you've learned if you scare people away, it's. 00:53:46 Speaker 1: Not And that's where I've been scared away from it because like on the SWAT team, we had all these CrossFit dudes and I was never that guy and we do this CrossFit workout and I couldn't walk for like three days, and like this, man, I gotta be able to like you still the next day. 00:54:01 Speaker 2: I'll get There are going to be some some days. If you get into it, you are going to have some of those days and they're going to happen. These were like. 00:54:08 Speaker 1: Once a month. Yeah, I rush your face and then I'm like, man, I don't want I hate this, but today was like functional and learned a lot and it was awesome and I you know, I'm going to go home and I'm gonna get the equipment that I need, which is not a lot, and I need to get this shoulder fixed fixed up. I don't want to do surgery. I just want to get it better, like I've been living with it. I heard it in twenty nineteen. Cool thing was I heard it packing out a giant bowl, which was cool, but it wasn't some whimp story. Yeah so but yeah, man, I really appreciate it. It was awesome. 00:54:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, you did great, And you know that's what we want to, like, meet people where they're at in the fitness. I wanted you to get a similar stimulus. Like the workout we did was just as hard as it was for me and Ben as it was for you guys. So that's the whole point, all right, if somebody's to walk like, first of all, shot iq you courses and yeah iq. 00:55:00 Speaker 1: Dot com so I've got online courses in archery, rifle, pistol, and then the mind iq courses for all other sports. 00:55:09 Speaker 2: All right, one takeaway that you want everybody listening, what do you got? 00:55:16 Speaker 1: The one thing is talk yourself through a shot out loud. 00:55:21 Speaker 2: And record it, record it. I hate hearing my voice. 00:55:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, people hate hearing themselves. Whatever. It's public speaking, it's public humilation, it's the this is the greatest fear of the human being. But when you talk out loud, you go, oh and record it so you can play it back. And because now, I mean when they I've done enough of these podcasts talking about this stuff, and the people like, oh, I'm not talking anymore, or I never talked, or I'm I'm thinking about the game. I'm talking about the game. Like I had a guy the other day, okay, draw back. 00:55:54 Speaker 4: An aaim, got it, I'm addressing the trigger here, I go game aim. 00:56:00 Speaker 1: And you're still talking about the aim, and then he punched the trigger. I'm like, who are you talking to? 00:56:05 Speaker 2: Right? 00:56:05 Speaker 1: What are you talking to? So just get out there, even if you don't know anything about shot IQ, just how do you talk yourself through it? Because just doing that it will override your thoughts and it will set you on the path. 00:56:21 Speaker 2: So cool. Yeah, my big takeaway was I've just had so much emphasis on the front side of the shot that i just forget about the backside, right, you know, you think punch or just hit the trigger, I'm on the target whatever, And so for me, the big takeaway was. The emphasis goes from once that set, you forget about that front side, and then it's almost like you cut your body in half and I'm like, all right, I'm just thinking about what's going on back here. 00:56:44 Speaker 1: Yeah, you subcon allow your subconscious to handle the aiming for you. Never let it handle the trigger work for you. And that's been a big thing in archery instruction for a long time, like just you know, shoot so many times and groove it into the subconscious and then in high stress, the subconscios take care are you. Of course it will, but it's also going to punch the trigger. Right, but it's kept you alive for this long. But just delegate it, right, Allow it to do the work that it's really good at. Don't allow it to do the work that it's perfect at. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: It. 00:57:13 Speaker 1: Hey, don't let it take this stuff from you. 00:57:16 Speaker 2: Sweet awesome man. Well, I appreciate you coming out. It was awesome. You have to come back and hang out anytime. Appreciate it and hunt with us and actually teach us what to do the right way. I'll call you. I'm in. We've got some fox a spot that you need. More spots