00:00:00 Speaker 1: Change that stimulus up, change up. You know, he was, oh, we're shooting. He's like tapping us in the freaking head with an arrow and like just slowing down, concentrating on the things in front of you. 00:00:10 Speaker 2: And it was kind of crazy. 00:00:11 Speaker 1: You know what he had us do with the bow without drawing or anything. He's like, all, right, cover up the eyeball of the We had an elk out there, and you know, you think, oh, I can't get there, but you're you naturally just always come back to it as long as you pick out, you know, a small spot, and so it was it was pretty eye. 00:00:29 Speaker 2: Opening and uh, just really cool. 00:00:31 Speaker 1: You know you almost what I kind of took away from it is, once you're set up here, your brain will naturally keep coming back to that center spot and you've just got to execute out here. 00:00:44 Speaker 2: The stakes are real. Effective. Preparation starts with fitness, but it requires so much more. 00:00:51 Speaker 1: This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience, and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most. Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in the back. Hunting this is in Pursuit brought to you by Mouth Knobs in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. 00:01:19 Speaker 2: Second Spike Camp episode. 00:01:22 Speaker 1: You guys just got back from Illinois getting some stuff ready at the place we're gonna hunt this fall. 00:01:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently. Yeah, Angelo can't hunt there though, why Nelson said, Oh yeah. 00:01:34 Speaker 4: Everyone else can. Though everyone else in Cochvilla can. 00:01:37 Speaker 3: Luke can, just not Angela. That's the opposite of what I would think it was before he was hired. So Nelson was like, hey, can't just bringing Angela? Yeah, don't believe bringing Angela here? Shoot up all deer? And then and then Luke hung two stands. 00:01:54 Speaker 2: Didn't I pay for it? 00:01:55 Speaker 3: Uh? Half? 00:01:57 Speaker 2: So Nelson? 00:01:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I I'll hunt on twenty of the forty acres. 00:02:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, you can hunt on my half. What's the dividing line? What's the Mason Dixon line there? 00:02:06 Speaker 4: Yeah? 00:02:06 Speaker 5: And then uh, when we went out there, I was giving Brian crap is say, Brian, you mind if I go out here and hunter? 00:02:12 Speaker 4: Or what? 00:02:12 Speaker 2: Did I say? 00:02:13 Speaker 4: What exactly? I say that, I like, you mind if I come on here? And Oh? No, I said, you got any hundred and fifty inch deer you need to kill out here. Here's no, he ain't allowed to hunt here. 00:02:21 Speaker 2: Got on his place, so mad? Did you say he's got some good stuff there? 00:02:23 Speaker 3: Now he does? Yeah, Nelson hung stands all for a southeast wind because his place is not set up for a southeast wind at all. It's all northwest winds. 00:02:36 Speaker 4: So whenever he's like, I can't really hunt my farm, I'll just go over here and scare all the deer away from here, you know, because like south wind is just usually not that good for deer hunting. So he's like, well, if it's just slow, I'll just go over there and see what's going on. So basically he'll go ruin the deer hunting for us because he won't let us hunt on the farm and then go ruin on his forty acre. 00:02:55 Speaker 3: We're gonna pull all his stands, yeah, So. 00:02:57 Speaker 2: He put south southwest stands on the least. 00:03:00 Speaker 5: The last yeah, and then he has he has all really good stand setups at his farm. 00:03:05 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:03:05 Speaker 5: So when soon the hunt is good, he'll hunt his farm when it's bad, and he's like, I'll just go up there and I'll kill a few days. 00:03:11 Speaker 4: He'll hunt the least to ruin it for us. Basically, is the way I gathered it, right, That's about what I got. Seems to be the care. 00:03:18 Speaker 2: So we're just gonna take him down. 00:03:19 Speaker 4: So yeah, we're gonna either take him down or or just I don't know. 00:03:24 Speaker 3: I don't know what we'll do. He only hung two. One of them is not a good spot. When it is a good spot. 00:03:28 Speaker 4: Which one's a bad spot? 00:03:30 Speaker 5: That ladder stand, oh yeah yeah yeah. 00:03:34 Speaker 4: The other the stands that we hung should be fine. 00:03:37 Speaker 3: We'll see. Yeah, farmers come and cut the grass down. The grass. 00:03:43 Speaker 2: You guys got hit up. The chicker is really bad. Everyone. 00:03:47 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been taking a bendadr before I go to bed, and it usually holds the itch. 00:03:50 Speaker 4: Off for like twenty four hours until I take them again. 00:03:53 Speaker 3: Is it still itchy? 00:03:54 Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, they scab up. 00:03:57 Speaker 5: I'm usually yeah, my scabs are Oh my god, I look like a drug addict on the on when we're like on on the plane, I like feel bad for because Texas. 00:04:07 Speaker 4: I felt bad that I was gonna someone's gonna. 00:04:09 Speaker 3: Look a whole skirts section. It's just scatch looks rough. 00:04:13 Speaker 1: He got it like when Trice got him when we went Turkey hunting was two years ago. Me and Scott didn't have did you have any? I didn't have one? And Trice was just eat up with them. We're just standing in this like I guess sugar nest. 00:04:27 Speaker 5: Yeah, what do they look like? They're like tiny little bread red ones, right red. 00:04:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think you usually see them. Really, no, Seams, you don't usually see him. Nobody. 00:04:36 Speaker 5: Isn't there something called am you have to be at the beach? 00:04:40 Speaker 3: Right? 00:04:41 Speaker 2: They did the same thing, all right, recap a Joel Turner. 00:04:45 Speaker 3: Uh, it was super cool. I thought. Yeah, for Joel, just two for one. The biggest like beef is working out and shooting at the same time. 00:04:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got a ton of hate for that. 00:04:58 Speaker 3: So for him to say he actually said it was beautiful. 00:05:01 Speaker 1: Beautiful, a lot of beautiful. He likes, uh quote, he likes he shoots on one foot. I tried to like even think about doing that the other day. The big thing I need to do too is start working with my mouth, call and shoot, because I am not known for stopping animals before I shoot them. 00:05:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, just firing one off fire away either. 00:05:22 Speaker 1: Go there. 00:05:23 Speaker 2: It is the words of Chris Stapleton fire away. Yeah. 00:05:26 Speaker 5: It was cool because what he does and what we do is very similar, so different, but like at the core of like we're like adding the chaos basically. It was like that's like the common theme of like the more chaos, the better. The more that you have to the more you have going on around you, and everything is going to help you get better at focusing on the shot. 00:05:47 Speaker 1: Once you have the fundamentals, once you have you know, his big thing was and it it's so similar to what we do. Just take a snatch for instance. You know in my previous life when I could snatch a lot, you know, hands set, feet our feet set. First, feet were set, hands were set, and then everything else kind of falls in line from there. You kind of have this like how you attack the bar and bo or shooting ARCHERI is no different. I took that from Wayne at the bow rack a lot of that, you know, like I draw anchor points, anchor points are set, Look, find my level. Once my level's there, I'm on the target. But my problem is and still is and working past is. As soon as I'm on the target, I punch the trigger. Everybody lets me know that on the internet, And so Joel's big things were like yep, yep, yep, all that, and then once you're set on that animal or however, you know, like, once you're you're on the target, you forget about the front and now all he wants you to think about is pulling as slow as you can on whatever trigger or mechanism you're using. 00:06:56 Speaker 2: And it's a surprise, and I hate it. 00:06:59 Speaker 4: He says, borderline, you're responsible. 00:07:02 Speaker 2: I stole that actually from David Lane. 00:07:04 Speaker 1: David Lane was like, this feels borderline irresponsible, and it's so good because when that thing goes off, you're like, I just flung the narrow into wherever. 00:07:12 Speaker 2: So I've taken a lot of what he has. 00:07:16 Speaker 1: Uh, he showed us and taught us, And I'm still working on this complete surprise. But I still like, instead of as soon as I get on the target, pull, I'll get on the target, settle a little bit, and then pull and I'm still I guaranteed punching. But it's man, I don't I do not like that feeling of complete surprise. 00:07:37 Speaker 2: I know it probably is the best. 00:07:40 Speaker 4: But it doesn't give you a chance to fight against you No, I want to fight. 00:07:44 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you think so? Compared to like practicing to actually hunting, should you take a longer time practicing because let's face it, when when you're hunting, you have an animal in front of you, you're gonna take less time. So I wonder what while you're practicing, if you should purposefully take even longer. 00:08:04 Speaker 1: Longer like you know what I mean, or three count ors. You know, I do an account on the front. 00:08:08 Speaker 5: I've done and I've done this a lot when especially when I'm getting when it's getting closer to like actually going out and shooting. Where I will I do a couple of different things. I'll draw back and I'll hold for like thirty seconds, like I might just set a timer and then draw back, hold it when the timer goes off. Then I actually find where I'm gonna shoot and then shoot, act as if something walk behind a tree or something like that, or I will this is like horrible if you have target panic, it's good, but it's horrible. 00:08:34 Speaker 4: You'll like I put it on the target and. 00:08:37 Speaker 5: Then I'm like, I could shoot right now, and then I take it off the target and I bring it back up to the target, and I'm like, I could shoot right now, and then I and I'll shoot, and that way I can, like I can control what it's doing because everyone talks about where like I'm the same way as you. I come up on it or either down. If you come down on the same thing, you come down on it. It's like you're right right here and you cannot push the boat down, or if it's order targets here, you can't get the ball. 00:09:01 Speaker 3: I get stuck underneath. 00:09:02 Speaker 4: You're like, oh my gosh, is the heaviest thing in the world. 00:09:05 Speaker 1: Something I've done, You're saying, getting stuck underneath it. It's always that shoulder they get stuck. 00:09:10 Speaker 2: I'm like, crap. 00:09:10 Speaker 1: And so what I've started doing is just lean in a little bit more and it helps me get a little bit. But another thing you were talking kind of off camera was changing up your foot position. Do some seeded do something you know, like you need to practice in perfect situations. Get those mechanics down, figure out what your kind of you know, like I said, I you know, find my anchor, points level, Once my level's there, find the target, bring my pin to the target, settle on target. 00:09:39 Speaker 2: Shoot right. 00:09:40 Speaker 1: So you need to have those basics down. But from there you need to change up that stimulus as much as you can. I know people are going to freak out because they always do in our comments, but you know, we do zone two, so conversation or people. 00:09:54 Speaker 3: Freak out about zone two. Honestly, some people they see like your zone two and then it's it's not comparable. 00:10:03 Speaker 2: Oh yeah right, like mind's like one. 00:10:05 Speaker 3: Four year zone two compared even like the what you take, what you do for zone two compared like what I do, it is not even comparable. Yeah, so maybe we should just put more workouts in there conversation to make them chill. 00:10:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I'll say that. 00:10:18 Speaker 1: You know we do the last year, last couple of years, we've had it just kind of long slow, right, and then we did we talk to. 00:10:24 Speaker 4: Last year that was like, yeah, we were on a podcast. 00:10:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, do some heavy lifting. 00:10:27 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:10:28 Speaker 1: I can't remember his name. I'd love to give him a shout out because he that was awesome. 00:10:31 Speaker 4: It was at good ide because he said he was doing that because we did it. 00:10:33 Speaker 2: I did it. 00:10:33 Speaker 5: Some kind of lifting that doesn't affect your shoulders, like a deadlift aft. 00:10:38 Speaker 1: Your back squad heavy deadlifts three reps of four or five, which is eighty ish. 00:10:45 Speaker 2: It's low seventy five ish percent. 00:10:47 Speaker 4: So it's heavy nervor system and. 00:10:49 Speaker 2: Then grab the bow and it was way different. 00:10:52 Speaker 1: You know, more like that kind of target panic when they come out, you know, like if you're sitting in a tree stand. 00:10:58 Speaker 2: You know. We we had. 00:11:00 Speaker 1: The whole situation last year in Idaho where we hiked our face off for forty five minutes, and I mean a hard It was a hard. 00:11:11 Speaker 2: Hike. Got to the top. 00:11:12 Speaker 1: Noah was like, since we got we're gonna go down. We're gonna kill this thing. And I'm like cool, and it was. 00:11:18 Speaker 3: And it was like a minute if that. 00:11:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, so still heart heart rate, We're still there. 00:11:24 Speaker 1: Get down there, and then your heart rate jack's up for another reason. Right, Yeah, that was good. The other day we kind of messed around with trying to film ourselves and we messed it up and I was not We did a bunch of shoulder stuff before and then tried to shoot and it was just atrocious. 00:11:38 Speaker 2: So I was like, ah, let's not use that. 00:11:39 Speaker 1: But the penalty I was still paying my dues was either eight sets. We were gonna say eight to ten sets at like a one fifty pace on the bike ERG, or you could do half the amount of sets and go sub one forty on the bike ERG. And so I did the sub I did one thirty five pace, which is about four hundred and thirty watts average, and so my legs, dude, my heart rate and my legs were pumped. And then to try to settle to shoot at twenty five yards was a way different stimulus. And I it was pretty cool something to add more of a sprint and then a two minute recovery, but uh, it was just it's different. It's just changed that stimulus up, change up. 00:12:19 Speaker 2: You know. He was, ah, we're shooting. 00:12:21 Speaker 1: He's like tapping us in the freaking head with an arrow and like just slowing down, concentrating on the things in front of you. And it was kind of crazy. You know what he had us do with the bow without drawing or anything. He's like, all right, cover up the eyeball of the wa had an elk out there, and you know, you think, oh, I can't get there, but you're you naturally just always come back to it as long as you pick out, you know, a small spot, and so it was it was. 00:12:46 Speaker 2: Pretty eye opening and uh, just really cool. 00:12:49 Speaker 1: You know you almost that what I kind of took away from it is once you're set up here, your brain will naturally keep coming back to that center spot. 00:12:56 Speaker 2: And you've just got to execute. 00:12:59 Speaker 5: It's just like any other sport, like for really for anybody, uh, like you grow up playing sports, like when you're three, four or five, so like for you for baseball, let's just say like three, four, five, six, maybe even seven, like. 00:13:12 Speaker 4: For the first year olds ball or something. I don't know how we kids are playing. 00:13:18 Speaker 5: People start playing early, Okay, anyways, four or five year olds. 00:13:21 Speaker 4: I guess four or five year olds. It's been a while since I don't have one. I don't have kids. It's been a while to play d ball. I don't really remember how. 00:13:27 Speaker 2: Old I was playing. 00:13:31 Speaker 3: Three year olds to play. 00:13:32 Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, but like even then when I mean, obviously, I guess it does now that i'm think about it is a little ridiculous. 00:13:38 Speaker 4: Like three year olds kind of have no idea what's going on when they're playing T ball. 00:13:41 Speaker 5: But those are like you're starting to learn the fundamentals then, and then when you're five and six and seven, like you're going through and like it's all just the fundamentals. 00:13:49 Speaker 4: That's all it is. 00:13:50 Speaker 2: Fundamentals and fun. That's what we try to teach with the kids at this age. 00:13:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, and so it took years of practice for you to like and then and then going when you start to play college baseball, like then you don't even think about the stuff. You step up there and it's like you just you have to think about turning everything off so you can just do what you need to do the same thing like you're saying about us with like a snatch when you start, when you first first start learning it, you have to think about everything at the same time. And then all of a sudden, a few years later, you have to think about nothing to be able to think about all those things. And then it's just like the saying it's the same with shooting your bow. Like if you're it's your first season shooting your bow, you get a lot going on your head, like you're thinking about, okay, draw back, I gotta put it on the p you know what am I doing back here? 00:14:33 Speaker 4: All that different stuff you gotta think about. 00:14:34 Speaker 1: And not to mention an animal that walks out exactly and you don't know the range. You don't know exact range, you don't know unless you have a scot that can range it for you. 00:14:43 Speaker 5: So like there, I mean, there's levels to it. You know, there's levels to it. That's why I mean we talk about it. Anyone who sees us just do the zone two and shooting or like lifting and shooting, they're like, oh, those guys are idiots, right, But but we talk about there's you have to basically do this. I mean, even if it's not for years, like, spend a lot of time doing this and then you can graduate to that. 00:15:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not the first thing you did. You don't want to pick up your bow and then like, hey, I'm gonna go run a mile, quake and then. 00:15:09 Speaker 2: Shoot for your first time. 00:15:10 Speaker 1: I usually shoot multiple times a day, Like in the morning, I might pick up a couple of arrows, Like now I have a target right off my back porch, I might shoot two or three arrows. Complete calm first thing in the morning out of the cold plunch. That's another thing that kind of will mess with you because hey, how many times you're sitting in a stand or doing something like that and you're shivering cold and or an animal walks out and you start those shakes the shakes, So man, anytime you can change that up and I try to do some controlled shooting, but then I also try to add a little chaos. 00:15:40 Speaker 2: Or anarchy in there. 00:15:43 Speaker 4: Yep. 00:15:45 Speaker 5: Yeah, being able to shoot like a single arrow at a time. A guy who would do that in the morning high pressure you get up, like if it's after the plunge or whatever, just you know, right when you get up. 00:15:56 Speaker 2: Uh. 00:15:56 Speaker 4: This is also another way, you know. 00:15:57 Speaker 5: I we wrote a wrote an article on meat Eater about this about there's a time to like we talked about doing like a pre shooting warm up and then cooling down afterwards. But there is a time when you have done you put the miles in on that kind of stuff, where like you have bullet proof your shoulders to a certain degree, and you should be able to draw your bow back ice cold, because you're gonna do it in the woods. Like if you're hiking, Yes, you're out, your body temp is elevated, but your shoulders aren't warmed up really. Uh so you're pulling it back with pretty much. 00:16:27 Speaker 2: You know. 00:16:28 Speaker 5: The only thing that your shoulders are warmed to do is carry a pack for the last couple hours when you're in a tree standing absolutely stationary climb. Yeah, you climb to a ladder four hours ago, and now you have a buck in front of you so you're warm and you're plentning warm, but so there is a time where you should be able to do that and not get hurt. Like you shouldn't always have to do a warm up. You should do those warm ups consistently throughout the weeks leading up to where you can take that one ice cold shot and same thing in the morning, Like if you want to do it in the morning or right you get home from work, you say, I'm gonna go out there and shoot one arrow at like think about the tree stand that you're usually sitting in, or think about the opportunities usually have. If it's like that thirty two yard, I'm gonna go right to thirty two yards, I'm gonna take one shot and just see how I am. And that's like those are some of the most important ones. And then also from like seated where like I do I think we've programmed it to where you're sitting on a bucket or sitting in a chair like whatever, if you're gonna take before that guy, actually yeah, yeah, you're gonna go out to a blind or you're gonna be sitting in a tree stand, like let's say the window that you have to shoot out of your tree stand is best when you're seated, not when you're standing, So you need to practice that. 00:17:32 Speaker 3: Or even seated, but not always like perfectly. Yeah, like because you do torque a lot yeap oh where the animal comes out and all that stuff, like your legs could be one way and you're having to torque this way. 00:17:45 Speaker 4: And I missed. I missed a shot doing that same pace. 00:17:48 Speaker 3: Hey, same man. 00:17:49 Speaker 1: Well, about to tell you another one last year when we're in Oklahoma, that buck came out behind us, horrible wind, and uh, as I would turn, I had to crank so hard in the sad that it would like shut off my karate artery that I'd start to like black out. So I had to sit there like this. And then he went to leave and I shot if if he was at forty yards, which where I estimated he was, he was at thirty six. We got some got some arrow on him, but not enough. 00:18:17 Speaker 4: Yeah. 00:18:18 Speaker 5: The first buck I was shot with a bow, and I this is this just goes to show like how knew I was at it for sure, that I hadn't really shot. 00:18:28 Speaker 4: From steeded much. And I drew the bowl back and it was fine. 00:18:31 Speaker 5: Everything looked good and right before I let it go, that cam hit my knee and just the arrow popped up and I missed him, and luckily I got a second shot on him, which usually doesn't happen, but I got a second shot at it. 00:18:43 Speaker 4: No, this is the one in Georgia. 00:18:44 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that cam just hit my knee and the freaking arrow flew up and and the next shot was better. So I was just not used to shooting from sitting down. Since then, I've done that. 00:18:57 Speaker 6: If you were to give people like you talk about zone two into a shot or nervous system tax into a shot, some exact examples of what those workouts could be. 00:19:08 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean go to myham hunt. No, I think a light jog four hundred you know, so a quarter of a mile four hundred meters. 00:19:18 Speaker 4: You could even start with just you could even. 00:19:20 Speaker 5: Start with walking walking rocking walking rock or and then go to a jaw a jog because. 00:19:25 Speaker 3: For western rock with the pack still on. 00:19:27 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, shoot shoot. 00:19:29 Speaker 1: That's another thing is putting a pack on and shooting, because that is going to happen realistic has happened. 00:19:34 Speaker 5: And working up to that. Working up to the jog, though, is a good idea because we don't have all day. You're not going to go and hike for eight hours and then take one shot, right, you need to you need to simulate that with intensity. So by doing that with intensity is like, you know, five minutes of a rock or maybe a half mile rock and it doesn't have to be a run. It could be just more of a jog or a walk if you need it to be, and then and then take that shot. 00:19:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you could substitute walk run rock if you have a machine, you know that type of distance, minute or two of an interval and then hop off shoot while the heart rates kind of elevated, Go get your arrow, come back, hop. 00:20:09 Speaker 2: On the machine. It could be a conversational pace. You could push like. 00:20:12 Speaker 1: That's what I like is there's so many different ways to do this. It doesn't have to just be this one way. 00:20:18 Speaker 2: You know. 00:20:18 Speaker 1: If it's more intense, I would say less sets or rounds. If it's less intense and more kind of sustained cardio, I would say more sets, yeah, less rest. 00:20:29 Speaker 2: I mean really, you could do a step up. 00:20:31 Speaker 1: Step up, so you can do a forty yard shot, run and get run and get your arrow, comeback, take a forty yard shot just ten rounds of that. 00:20:38 Speaker 5: You know I've done I've actually done that, not with shooting my bow, I've actually done that with a rifle too, where you can, as I got on in check shooting from one hundred yards. Shoot yeah, shoot from hundred yards, Caul, run in check, run back, shoot from a hundred yards. 00:20:50 Speaker 4: Pretty good, I mean. 00:20:50 Speaker 2: That's pretty good. 00:20:51 Speaker 4: That's yeah. 00:20:52 Speaker 2: You don't have to do this with a bow. You can do the same thing with a rifle. 00:20:54 Speaker 1: When we were talking to Joel a lot about like how it carries over, he says, the exact same thing. You just want to feel that trigger and then slow, slow, slow and pull. 00:21:06 Speaker 3: Then. 00:21:06 Speaker 1: So yeah, then I would say another way to do the kind of nervous system thing is find either a squat uh. You could do a step back lunch, you could do a clean, you could do a deadlift. 00:21:18 Speaker 2: For me. 00:21:19 Speaker 1: Hard part with the clean would be the thumb tape or whatever. But you could do a sandbag over a box, uh, and then do some shooting. But something that is is going to cost you a little bit of like muscle and nervous system kind of stimulus. You know, something that you have to think about, something that you can't just like, you know, not a lightweight dumbbell something something. 00:21:41 Speaker 2: It's gonna cost you a little bit. 00:21:43 Speaker 3: To somebody, they don't have anything. You think you can just do like a hold a wall squat, it's not. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: It's not gonna be a nervous system stimulus. 00:21:53 Speaker 4: It's more of like a you could do like a jumping yes. 00:21:56 Speaker 2: Yes, but it's not gonna be the same. But yeah, jumping squats. 00:21:59 Speaker 1: Or box yeah bo a high box shump a couple high box jumps. Uh, just something to like tax the explosiveness and then try to shoot, you. 00:22:08 Speaker 2: Know, yeah. 00:22:09 Speaker 5: Like for so we I have programmed, like I was just keeping on a three week cycle. It would be eight sets of a four hundred ruck and then one or two arrowshot shot. So it'd be eight rounds of that basically at whatever pace you want to choose. You can run, you can walk, and then the next week would be four sets of eight hundred with one or two arrows, and then two sets of a mile and I think the last one is gonna be the test if you will, will be literally two mile rock walk, jog, whatever, and then you have one shot from fifty yards and that's like the whole thing just kind of as a test to see like did you did you get better doing that? And because it's getting closer to the season, like that's gonna be I think the last week of August. If I'm not mistaken or we're in the last week, maybe next week it's gonna be just like a two mile rock and then you have one arrow shot and then I always say, I try to put this after the after that is like, obviously that's. 00:23:02 Speaker 4: Not enough shooting practice. So if you want. 00:23:05 Speaker 5: To shoot afterwards, treat that as the as the one opportunity and you're gonna shoot. 00:23:09 Speaker 2: You use everything you ever wanted, You're. 00:23:10 Speaker 4: Gonna take that one shot at one moment, capture it. I knew that I was coming. 00:23:15 Speaker 5: I knew it's coming if we just said it the other day the same thing the last podcast. You're gonna you're gonna take that one shot and then and then you can go and shoot and practice however much you want afterwards. So we've been doing that and then Scott for specific examples, like I programmed that workout that we did. I didn't put a pace without using for a Thursday workout where you do five sets of either if you have a biker, you do a thousand meters in the biker a five hundred meters row or a four hundred meter run, and you shoot one arrow from twenty five yards, rest a minute, and then grab your arrow during the rest. If you only have one one aer like we were shooting with just one or two hours, blast our arrows, yeah, which I did. And then so five sets that then we kind of the way I'm gonna progress. 00:23:58 Speaker 4: It is each week go back five yard, so you can hold the same pace. 00:24:01 Speaker 3: You can go slower if. 00:24:02 Speaker 5: You want to go back five yards, and I think like the last week is a little less sets or something, but it's very similar. And then for the squat, you could do like five sets maybe three squats. 00:24:12 Speaker 4: Yeah around like seventy eight and then do one arrow shot you. 00:24:16 Speaker 1: Really just wanted to do one, like yeah, like eighty five plus Yeah that would be even. 00:24:20 Speaker 5: Good too, Yeah, just to really tax the nervous system. But for like you're saying, like a jumping squat would work, or even just a box jump or a vertical jump. 00:24:28 Speaker 3: So if you do like. 00:24:29 Speaker 5: Five sets of three max effort broad jumps or max effort vertical jumps, and then you do that you have a sixty second window to take a. 00:24:37 Speaker 1: Shot, so that as much as you could change that stimulus up, yeah, I would go for it without too much upper body. I mean, but every once in a while throw in some upper body and try to do it, you know, like I do. 00:24:46 Speaker 5: It'll be a little fatigue, a little fatigue. And I'm glad you said that because I use some like farmers carries or something because you're going to carry the boat for a while, like a single arm farmers carry, or I use those over unders because you be getting up and over stuff and then box step ups or like a bar hang. 00:25:04 Speaker 4: I've done some bar hanger, maybe a plank hold where you're getting more. 00:25:07 Speaker 5: Of that like static shoulder fatigue, like you would feel if you had the pack on all day, or if I was using like if I don't know, like if you were having to move stuff around, like I think you guys had that little shelter you made one year, if you were going to try to like make a little blind, like you're gonna be moving logs and you're gonna be moving stuff for Millia. 00:25:26 Speaker 4: Yeah, for Mallia. So like I mean, people do that. People literally put brush themselves in and then. 00:25:32 Speaker 1: Honestly too, Like thinking about what Joel was saying, you could do some like true shoulder fatigue push ups into it. I would just keep the distance relatively close so you're not losing a ton of arrows because you start getting out You're I mean you are moving around a lot. 00:25:45 Speaker 3: Depending on your fitness level, yeah, depending on h start small, start with tracking. 00:25:50 Speaker 2: That's the beauty of what we do is you can track. 00:25:51 Speaker 1: It's infinitely scalable, it's you know, repeatable, It's you can come back to it and be like, how did I do last time? Oh I did better this time? Oh I did worse this times, not working whatever, and change it up. So that's that's why we like to do what we do. 00:26:06 Speaker 6: What was each of your guy's biggest takeaways from Joel? Like what you learned from him shooting wise, I. 00:26:13 Speaker 1: Don't want to it's gonna sound bad thinking about it this way, but like, forget the front, you know, like once you're set, once you get everything set, forget about it and concentrate on, you know, just being smooth and efficient with that pull on the back side, you know, like you kind of for me before that, I would like pingpong I'd be like, all right, I'm gonna start pulling. Oh wait, I'm looking at the front, you know, like this is kind of like this game here he once you're set and you know, it's good concentrate back here. 00:26:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my big takeaway on it. Yeah, i would say just kind of what we're talking about, just natural tendency is you go out in your yard and you just shoot. But the more you can, the more variations you can have in that, the better off you are. 00:27:01 Speaker 2: I'll say too. 00:27:02 Speaker 1: He encourages it having words, putting words to it, Like it's really weird to do it with other people, but think about it, like, all right, hankers level, if you're shooting with a friend, your target on the target, it's. 00:27:17 Speaker 4: Just another way to remember stuff. 00:27:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, like yep, doing it and hearing it, because like you know, like you learn in school, everyone learns a little bit different. And I've always thought that if you can stack all of them together, as many of them together as you can, like was it like verbal and then visual and physical, the more you can stack together, the better off you're going to be. Like so yeah, I mean I've always been a lot better at visually learning, Like if I see you do something, I can I can usually get pretty close to it, and then some people like need to feel it or some people just need to hear it. 00:27:53 Speaker 4: So like doing all of those things or whatever. 00:27:55 Speaker 5: The other options are doing as many of them as possible, like saying it out loud and actually maybe helping even though it's we, you may be helping the other person shooting with you because he's like, oh okay, I need to think by that stuff too. 00:28:04 Speaker 1: I would say, go to one of his clinics seminars. We can't talk about the one thing in there that he was like, hey, don't film this part. 00:28:12 Speaker 2: But Watkins is a moron. 00:28:15 Speaker 4: And I don't even know what you're talking about. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: We have. Yeah, it was kind of crazy. 00:28:20 Speaker 1: Delaying is so like cerebral and such a nerd that it took him too many times to do what we were trying to do. 00:28:27 Speaker 2: I'll tell you about it after him. 00:28:29 Speaker 6: Has your shooting improved? 00:28:30 Speaker 2: Do you think? I would say so? Yeah? Yeah, I think so. Man. 00:28:34 Speaker 1: There's still some days I'll shoot lights out like arrows touching, and then the next day probably has to do with a lot with what we do previous. But I have more good days than bad. Where it used to be like fifty to fifty, I'd say it's more like seventy thirty or eighty twenty. I think trying like being more consistent with those cues and not just being like, oh, I'm on it, take a shot, you know, like having some actionable things to think about has helped a ton. 00:29:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I said. 00:29:08 Speaker 5: I was, like I started to set some standards for myself with like all right, if I'm having a bad day, I have to go, I'll just go to twenty yards and I'll shoot a grouping in the insert in my. 00:29:18 Speaker 3: Having a bad shooting day or just a bad day, I think both both. 00:29:22 Speaker 4: We're having a bad emotional he we're all about. 00:29:25 Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know, positive mental health, mental health. 00:29:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's mental health. We're big mental health here. 00:29:32 Speaker 5: That insert of my deer is usually pretty easy to hit from twenty yards now for me, So if I can, I'll just go to twenty yards and I'll hit that. And like it builds a little bit of confidence. You're like, Okay, even though I have a big shots, Yeah, even though I even though I want to do beat yourself, even though I want to go stick my head in front of my bow just gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna make a good, good group of three arrows, and I'm gonna stop because now I'm like, now I got I got something to end on. Because if I go back to like thirty or forty fifty yards and I started shooting my crap, and it's just I'm just almost wasting my time because I better. I should just come back tomorrow and not break my bow in half. Come back tomorrow and try. 00:30:12 Speaker 1: To If anybody's never seen an Angelo to Chico meant melt down your Do we have any on? 00:30:18 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:30:18 Speaker 4: Yeah, on film? 00:30:20 Speaker 2: Can we like, well, we can't insert that I had had one yesterday on shooting. 00:30:25 Speaker 5: No, we were Madison and I were building a frame to put a to put a. 00:30:29 Speaker 4: Swing on, and I like a bench swing. 00:30:34 Speaker 5: And I stripped one of the heads of the bolts because I tried to I tried to tighten it too many times and. 00:30:41 Speaker 3: It was strong. 00:30:42 Speaker 2: No, you had it cross threaded. 00:30:45 Speaker 5: No, it's really it's really hard to explain if unless you see it. But the way it worked, I stripped it, and uh, she like starts talking to me, and I. 00:30:53 Speaker 4: Chucked the wrench into the woods. 00:30:58 Speaker 2: I was putting the rake back in its whole. 00:31:02 Speaker 4: She she's fear. 00:31:03 Speaker 5: She was furious at me, of course, and I come back out with another ranch and what I and because it wasn't working, it. 00:31:10 Speaker 1: Was she to walk away Hillary when she said something, She's like shume out. 00:31:15 Speaker 7: She went inside so good, so annoying, and I went out to the I went out to the yard to go look for the She said, can't find it, can you? 00:31:26 Speaker 4: I couldn't, said, she said, well, I hope you find it with the moll or later. 00:31:30 Speaker 5: And yeah, I deserve that I couldn't find I still haven't found it. 00:31:34 Speaker 2: You'll find it missing. 00:31:38 Speaker 4: Yeah, So that had one yesterday, and I'm melt done. And I know why. I know exactly why I told bird this because I'm so sore. I was so mad all day, Yesterdear. 00:31:48 Speaker 2: I couldn't. 00:31:49 Speaker 4: I was just my hamstrings because they cramped. I was. I couldn't really, I couldn't pinpoint why I was so mad. It was just because I was uncomfortable and like we were not that she made me like, you're doing stuff in the yard and I wanted to, but I just couldn't move the way I wanted to move because I hurt. That was it. That's it. 00:32:07 Speaker 2: It should have been like me and get up and StairMaster first thing in the morning. 00:32:10 Speaker 3: Definitely a good reason to throw the wrench. 00:32:13 Speaker 5: I should have done something. I should have gone for a walk or something to at least get my shot your boat, Yeah, you shoot it. No, I started to get too angry, so my coyote a couple of times. Every like you know when some of those days when like stuff just. 00:32:26 Speaker 3: Goes wrong, goes wrong, goes wrong, like. 00:32:29 Speaker 2: Never have those so I did. 00:32:31 Speaker 5: I was like, man, I'm gonna shoot my bow and I said, probably not today. 00:32:35 Speaker 3: Today is not the day. 00:32:37 Speaker 4: I'm just not gonna go do it. 00:32:39 Speaker 3: What'd you take away or just like the different aspects of everything I said it? 00:32:49 Speaker 5: Oh, mine was that he I like that he agreed with us about the working out and shooting thing, mostly because they're the thing that he does and the things that we do are so closely related. 00:32:59 Speaker 4: But people wouldn't really know that if they just watch our. 00:33:03 Speaker 5: Videos where they think we're just a bunch of meath head who want to work out and shoot, and he they're like, oh, he's really cerebral, Like he has ideas. 00:33:09 Speaker 4: Am I meathead. Look at me, pretty, look like a meathead. 00:33:12 Speaker 3: Pretty. 00:33:14 Speaker 5: So it's it's very similar to the ways that we think about shooting under fatigued, the way he thinks about shooting with all the chaos going around in your head and trying to shut that all or not really shut it off but almost lean into it a little bit. We are thinking the same way, but it looks different. And when you hear them like, they go together a lot more than people think. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: After your lunch today, you're not a meathead. 00:33:40 Speaker 4: He doesn't know what I had for a lot of. 00:33:41 Speaker 3: Two hot dogs, like just straight up. 00:33:51 Speaker 2: Ziplin, no bun. 00:33:53 Speaker 4: Buds, all right, buns and mustard I had. 00:33:56 Speaker 2: I didn't. That's like a dinner, that's not a lunch. 00:33:58 Speaker 4: I had it for lunch yesterday. And like, I just like those hot dogs, the cheddar bro. 00:34:02 Speaker 2: And we've got some elk brots that are pretty enourage. 00:34:05 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Brian and I got some deer cheddar brots. That's what got me turned back onto them, because my dad and I would get them a lot when I was younger. And then we got some deer ones made from our first trip in Georgia a couple of years ago, and I'm like, man, I need some broths. I love those cheese brots, except when the cheese becomes molten lava on the inside and it explodes in your mouth or on your face and it burns. 00:34:30 Speaker 2: What's your next hunt? 00:34:32 Speaker 4: My next hunt is I was gonna go Velvet yesterday? Did you go? 00:34:39 Speaker 3: I was? 00:34:39 Speaker 1: I wanted to, but my kids, I hadn't seen him a couple days. Nobody was really wanting to go sit in a tree and we don't have anything on camera. 00:34:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've really been lacking around here. 00:34:49 Speaker 4: Yeah, same here. 00:34:51 Speaker 5: I mean, just like I don't know start to start here, just some go to classic Tennessee tree stand hunting and then September that's your Yeah, probably, Uh when are you going to Georgia? 00:35:05 Speaker 4: I think we're looking at November right now. A week in November possibly a. 00:35:10 Speaker 5: Week No, sorry, we're looking at this week and we're gonna use some of those days and we do not need a week there, right, Scott, He's. 00:35:16 Speaker 3: Gonna go on that Illinois hunt November with Nate. Yeah. 00:35:21 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Okay, So I don't know what's next, but I know that I know things coming up. 00:35:25 Speaker 4: You're going to myself Bird and Scott are all in like we got. 00:35:28 Speaker 1: What minus sixth t minus thirteen days something like that. Birds trying to cram into his hunt prep. Scott's got a little head on us because he's been like pure hunting. I've been CrossFit training, so yesterday I flipped that switch. 00:35:48 Speaker 3: More last StairMaster last week. 00:35:50 Speaker 2: I'm in way more CrossFit shape than I've been in the last couple of years. 00:35:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, I could tell suck. I told him that. 00:35:58 Speaker 5: I said, dude, you're not fitter, but your your gymnastic moves were better this weekend. 00:36:04 Speaker 3: It sucked. It was a lot worse for me. 00:36:08 Speaker 2: All right, Idaho countdown to Idaho. 00:36:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, leave us some comments. Let's know what you guys want us to on these Spike camps. What kind of things you want us to talk about, anything that I've been thinking about, burning questions. 00:36:22 Speaker 2: Let us know.