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Steven Rinella talks with paleogeneticist Dr. Beth Shapiro, along with Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.

Subjects Discussed: U.C. Santa Cruz and the Ewok forest; ancient DNA and the assumptions it has added to our world; black footed ferrets; the romance versus the reality of de-extinction; the volatile speed of DNA decay; mammoth tusks and sheep piss; horn-core morphology; 400 pound kiwis and 9-foot Haast’s eagles; volcanoes; big-assed bison with 6-foot horn spreads; biological species concept; the persnickety sage grouse; and more.

-Related Links and Notes-

How to Clone a Mammoth by Dr. Beth Shapiro

The Snowmastodon site also known as the Ziegler Reservoir fossil site

Species Concepts and Characters

Evolution World Tour: Ashfall Fossil Beds, Nebraska  Prehistoric rhinoceroses, and horses died of volcanic ash inhalation 12 million years ago – their fossils are studied now as an example of natural selection.