Steven Rinella talks with Karl Malcolm, Bjorn Fredrickson, and Jerry Monzingo of the U.S. Forest Service, along with Janis Putelis of the MeatEater crew.

Subjects Discussed: The National Wild and Scenic Rivers Systems; the Cascades as a nexus for the climbing world; Karl’s unlikely cure for not drawing an elk tag; the many homes of Aldo Leopold; Curt Meine’s Aldo Leopold: His Life and Work; Howard Zahniser and the Wilderness Act; the societal challenges of Wilderness; dudes who just love a good conspiracy theory; Wilderness as a part of the American identity; Frederick Jackson Turner; Frontier Anxiety; helicopters in ​Wilderness and the “Minimum Requirements Necessary” concept; does Wilderness need to justify itself financially?; ​Ben Lilly and other rogue wildmen of the Southwest; ​and more

Aldo Leopold’s The Last Stand of the Wilderness

Curt D. Meine’s Aldo Leopold: His Life and Work 

Howard Zahniser, Author of the Wilderness Act

B​en Lilly: Mountain Man of the Southwest 

The Lion Man – Meet Ben Lily One of America’s Greatest Hunting Legends